name an actual ballistics disadvantage name a disadvantage that

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>>32805551
can;t use off hand

>want an aug
>can't find one for less than $1500

end my suffering

are there any bullpups as cheap as an AR

>>32805566
That person is clearly using it off hand

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>>32805551
Shit weight distribution and if it blows up shit will get launched into ur neck

>>32805580
>Being poor.
Not everyone was meant to live the fabulous AUG life.

>>32805586
>Shit weight distribution
But that's fucking wrong. The centre of gravity for bullpups is above the trigger, which is where you want it to be.

>>32805586
>Shit weight distribution

wrong

somebody post the picture of it being perfectly balanced

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Is the Steyr AUG the best bullpup you can buy?

If I am going to commit to this meme is that the one to get?

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>>32805594
>>32805599
You're both wrong, never mind the fact since the barrel is shorter your accuracy will suffer

>>32805551
Bullpup triggers are less crisp.

Most people say that the Tavor is the best bullpup, but I like the FS2000.

>>32805638
Low quality bait

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>>32805916
Shorter barrel

>>32805566
You can, the ejection port is swappable.

>name a ballistics disadvantage to this ergonomics change
Wew lad.
>name a disadvantage to this ergonomics change that isn't shit ergonomics
Fucking wew lad.

>>32806019
That's not what off-hand means and if you're a leftie off-hand is right shoulder so you'll still get brass in your face.

>>32805551

Well I'm definitely getting the model without the OEM scope. Now I wonder if I should get the short or long rail version.

>>32805551
In terms of pure ballistics, there aren't any disadvantages. Generally speaking a longer barrel is better, especially for a round like 5.56, and to get that longer barrel in a more compact package is terrific.

The problems come from the ergonomics.

Its not strictly a disadvantage, but their whole reason for existing (to be used in armored vehicles and other cramped situations, because SBRs pre-2000 were absolute dogshit) hasn't really applied in about 20 years. These days you might as well use an SBR.

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>>32805995

>>32806075
Hopefully you don't have completely trash taste and at least get the 20" barrel.

>bullpup
>good trigger

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>>32806075
You're going to want the long rail

>>32806776
Not good trigger != bad trigger
It is completely usable, and satisfactory. There are also modifications to lighten it and smooth it out.

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>>32806789
[spoiler]But wish you got the OEM optic.[/spoiler]

>>32806807
As long as you are acknowledging it is not actually a good trigger.

>>32805580
Type 97 if ur in Canada

>>32805995
...Do you even know what the fuck a bullpup is? Holy fuck.

>>32806807
100% this. The newer AUG triggers, at least, are heavy, but have a pretty crisp break with a not horrendous amount of over travel.

>>32806809
Not really
Maybe if it looked more like the A1

>>32806809
Hey, where would I find an AUG that looks like the original version?

I want to start a military rifle collection.
Already have a m16A2 clone

>>32806818
Oh yeah
A geissele is s good trigger
The AUGs trigger is decent or acceptable.
>>32806830
Yep I'd agree.

>>32806860
Lurk gunbroker, Zasta found a gorgeous one.

Go post your A2 in /arg/, they'll love it

>>32806860
Online auctions. They did a limited run last year with scopes that didn't have rails or anything, but they were really more of collectors pieces because the AUG was turning 40.

>>32806842
The only thing is the rails, which even I'll admit they went a little over board with.

>>32805551
>Name a disadvantage but don't use the biggest disadvantage that they have because I don't like being beaten so easily in an argument

You already answered your own shitty question.

>>32806918
Anyone that thinks that hasn't fired or even held a bullpup for an appreciable amount of time.

>>32805551
I wonder if a ceramic trigger bar would make the trigger better?

Wouldn't want to flex near as much as a normal steel rod. Wouldn't have to bea heavy ceramic like tungsten carbide but could be.

>>32806979
>Using something ceramic for a long thin piece.
Why do you want something to break in two?

>>32806952
I don't care about the bullpup argument, I just hate how shitty of an argument OP made. Anyone who uses the "Prove me wrong but don't prove me wrong by using something that proves me wrong" is just shit at arguing and should kill themselves.

>>32806994
Even if it's more likely to break, it won't flex and make a shitty trigger pull.

Just have to pick the right ceramic for the job.

>>32805616
is that a vepr thats been bullpup converted?
is there a place that does this or is it a homebrew thing?

>>32805616
I would check youtube.

Some people like the Tavor, some people like the FS2000 even. Some people (like /k/) think the AUG is the way to go.

>>32806752

I completely forgot about the 20 inch barrel. Is there any advantage for the longer barrel, other than higher velocity?

I like to keep my guns short and light as possible.

>>32807020
No, he was eliminating a tired and already debunked argument that only idiots would make. He was asking for arguments that weren't shit, essentially.

He isn't proven wrong by the reload argument because the reload argument is wrong.

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>>32807088
It will be longer and heavier
But way more awesome

Just keep in mind it was made before the cqb pdw bbq trends became popular, it's a service rifle, not a subgun for light and fast close quarters operating, even if it does work in that role.

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dumped the girl but kept the AUG

its a early gen 1 import

>>32807164
Next to her it looks even better

>>32807088
Better performance with most commonly available loadings. Especially lighter bullets. It also lets you effectively shoot heavier bullets even if you only have a 1:9 twist.

The 24" heavy barrels are out there too, but there a bit rare. Especially so with the bipod.

>>32807164
she looks like an undercover slut

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>>32807164
Wow, I can see the emotional instability in her eyes.

Just kidding! She's a woman, of course shes emotionally unstable!

>>32807216
Ha she does

>>32807216
>>32807225
>>32807182
tfw you're all right

>>32807239
I'd take the gun over her any day of the week, you made the right choice

>>32805580
Considering a base AR is around $650 these days, no. Nothing will ever be as cheap as an AR is now.

>>32806776
RDB has a good trigger. RFB has a good trigger.

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A marginal ballistic advantage in trade for:

Shit reloads
Shit trigger
Shit (usually) left handed use
Shit recoil
Shit length of pull adjustment

Bullpups are born from procurement wanting to replace both the rifle and the SMG. This obviously didn't work because nobody wants these unwieldy guns for close quarters.

This is why all major armed forces have ditched your meme configuration in favor of an AR.

>>32807643
>Shit reloads
No
>Shit trigger
No
>Shit left handed
No (unless you're British)
>Shit recoil
No
>Shit length of pull
Yeah that's true. Can't argue that one.

>>32807643
>implying military procurers care about ergos or lefties

pro-tip: "military does not use it" is not a real argument

>>32807090
>Put hands together in dark, easy
>Put out one hand in a specific place slightly forward of your other hand in the dark, pretty easy
>Put one hand in a place further away behind your other hand, hard
It's hard to debunk something that anyone can demonstrate themselves with only their hands.

>>32807695
>Wrong
Do you get your debate strategies from Trump?

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>>32807643
Shit argument lad
Literally one of your points is true

>>32807643
>Shit recoil

nigga what you talking about

>>32807741
Why would putting your hand behind the other be more difficult that putting it in front of it

>>32807741
I don't need to disprove your statements with more effort than I would use to disprove a flat earther, for the exact same reason; What you said is wrong.

I want to fuck the AUG so badly.
Pls gib.

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>>32807811
Save up

>>32806884
>Go post your A2 in /arg/, they'll love it
They got all triggered when I posted it.

>>32807906
Kek exactly

>>32807190
>>32807136

Can't find a 20" version that's black, with the high rail.

I'll just go ahead and buy the 16" and swap it for the 20" when the time comes.

>>32807994
Did you email Pete Athens?

That's who you need to be buying from.

>>32805995
If you knew anything about the AUG, you'd knew the barrel starts at the left end of the gun, so the length isn't that different.

>>32805551
One size fits all grip
No telescoping LOP
Fixed length VFG
VFG

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>>32807480
I think you mean $450 you stupid nigger

>>32806096
Carbines still have shorter range and worse ballistics (especially with modern, light, bullets). The advantage remains with bullpups in that regard but a lot of militaries seemed to over-estimate both the marksmanship of their grunts and the frequency with which said grunts would be riding in vehicles and needing to use their weapons.

>>32808073

Any reason in particular I should buy from him? I've just been looking on gunbroker.

i like using the magwell as a grip but with bullpups you can't do it. and holding onto the handguard just feels awkward.

>>32808151
If I need a short gun, why do I need muzzle velocity that provides no benefit until 300m?

>>32808155
Better prices by and large on guns at least and he'll probably have what you want. You need to email him for prices and to see if he has it in stock. I paid $2050 shipped for my A3M1 with 20" barrel and 3.0x optic. I couldn't find anyone that had that combination with stock color I wanted and they were all charging like $2500 for other guns with the 3.0x. It took about a week and a half to get my gun since I mailed him a cashier's check.

>>32805592
I have an AUG, and I dislike it.

>>32808250
I sucked dicks with better taste than you.

>>32807765
>Reloads
Yeah you know what will make putting this box in the gun easier? Moving the magwell from directly in front of your face to right next to your armpit.

>Trigger
This is a fundamental and inescapable disadvantage about bullpups. The trigger is in the front, the hammer is in the back. The linkages are going to negatively affect the trigger.

>Left handed
If you can't switch shoulders on the fly without being hit in the face by brass, your gun is not ambi

>Recoil
AR18 gas system and all the moving mass in the back of the gun means they bounce the muzzle more than an AR. Minor point but OP asked for any disadvantage that wasn't reloads.

Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong for apparently self evident reasons and comfort yourself by reminding yourself that those Spec Ops guys dont get to pick their gear and would totally use a FAMAS if given the choice.

Barrel length is irrelevant to accuracy.

>>32808271
u sound mad. My AUG A3 CQC is my least favorite gun in my collection.

>>32808305
You can lie to yourself, but please don't lie to me.

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>>32808305
I'd like to see it
and hear about your criticisms, I may share them

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>>32808316
I don't e-stat on 4chan because the fags here aren't worth impressing.

>>32808374
too front heavy, trigger kinda sucks.

>>32805551
>name an actual ballistics disadvantage
longer barrel with shorter overall length

>>32808303
so a 1 inch barrel is just as effective as a 20 inch barrel?

>>32808478
>Complains about it being front heavy.
>Added a bunch of weight to the front of the gun.
Well gosh...

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>>32808478
>add a fuck ton of unused weight to the front of his gun
>complains of it being front heavy
retard

>>32808275
>Reloading in your armpit
What? Seriously, what? Have you ever used a bullpup?
>Trigger
OK, so? RFB has a good trigger. RDB has a good trigger. FS2000 has a acceptable trigger. AUG has a acceptable trigger. They're service rifles, not match guns. My fucking M16 didn't have a great trigger either but it stilled worked just fine.
>Left handed
Ignoring all the ambidexterous models, yeah ya can. The only one you cannot shoot left handed is the British L85 series.
>Muh specops
Yeah, military procurement is the pinnacle of performance based metrics isn't it?

>>32808374
Sexy

>>32808497
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10/daniel-zimmerman/the-truth-about-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/

After chatting to bryan litz I will never own a rifle with a barrel longer than 20inches. A matter of fact my trg 42 now has a 16inch barrel. Still dropping goats out past a click with no issues.

>>32808505
>>32808508
fags. Guess what? An AR rail isn't that heavy.

Also, the stock charging handle kinda sucks. Probably getting a gearhead mod1 soon.

>>32808560
Hey man, nobody forced you to add a bunch of unnecessary weight to the front of your gun for no reason.

>>32808478

Anon, you're making me consider getting an iPad again, ut at the same time I need a new PC.

Maybe a Surface Pro or something.

>>32808605
>Getting hardware that locks you into proprietary software.
Son, it's the two thousand and seventeenth year of our most sacred Lord. Don't make such a foolish mistake.

>>32808598
the only thing in the front is the rail itself. I shoot with the front rail taken off when I'm in the field.

I'm gonna be real honest here. I bought this baby because I was pretty good with it in Battlefield Bad Company 2. This was my first gun.

>>32808605
the highest end surface pro is over 3 grand. Lower spec surface pros are, well, a bit underwhelming. Get an ipad pro. Like yours truly.

>>32807064
Sort of correct, It's a Ukrainian Vepr bullpup. I dont know the whole story, but from what I understand, it's their bullpup AK variant, and it does come in a 7.62x54r DMR variant as shown in that picture.

Since Vepr translates to "Wild Boar" in Ukrainian/Russian, I guess its just a cool way to name a gun.

>>32805551
>Balance is weird, adds to muzzle rise
>Triggers always mushy, creepy garbage
>Catastrophic failures equate to a sudden loss of face
>Left handed issues out of the box

Not very many but it certainly isn't a direct upgrade to any standard rifle pattern.

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>>32805616
FS2000 is better.

How

>>32808891
>>32808878

>>32805551
Poor accuracy due to shit triggers and long, thin barrels.

An AR that costs as much as an Aug should shoot groups that are no more than half the size.

>>32805616
wait another couple of months for the MDR

>>32808905
The trigger is not why they are innacurate, a bad trigger just makes it harder to shoot accurately

>>32805551
There really isn't. It's just that it's compactness isn't a sought after feature when most fighting is done in open fields and open streets.

Great for law enforcements who usually need to go indoors.

>>32808928
Still equates to poor accuracy in practice.

Has anyone mentioned poor sight radius with open sights?

>>32808985
Bullpup triggers are not worse than competing mil spec triggers

>>32805551
Reloads are a bit more awkward, but it is a training issue
They tend to weigh more, however weight distribution is much better
They also cost more than standard AR/AK
They have bullpups for lefties, but most will still fuck you if you try to shoot it offhand.

>>32808990
valid
irons a shit though

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>>32808930
>Great for law enforcements who usually need to go indoors.

A lot of people in this thread are fucking stupid or trolls, you're not one of them, go you!

I've used a steyr indoors with body armour and it is difficult to handle. I would prefer something with an adjustable or folding stock.

To all the clueless people in this thread:
>muh trigger
I like the trigger on the AUG more than the triggers on my ARs.

>muh reload
With experience it's easier to keep aiming down the sight while you reload an AUG than an AR, because your offhand isn't supporting much weight you can stay on target. Not that you should anyway, because you are reloading, but it helps in competitions and qualification.

>muh left hand
In school I was beaten until I learned to us my right hand.

>muh recoil
What recoil?

is a bullpup easier to shoot one handed?

>>32809055
Probably. Weight would be spread less far.

>>32809047
Sorry to have triggered you bud.

>>32808905
>long, thin barrels.
you've never touched an AUG, you dumb fuck.

>>32809047
>I like the trigger on the AUG more than the triggers on my ARs.
personal preference aside, I think you're fucking retarded, and I mean REALLY retarded. This is coming from an AUG owner.

I like alot of forward weight with a bipod from prone on 300+ meter headshots. With a 16" 1in8 HBAR on ar platform with 69grn OTM I have taken 3 whitetail this year from 200 to 550m. All head shots. All deer dropped on the spot. I wouldn't be confident trying this with a sub-moa Aug past 200m.

>>32809316
Same anon. Good friend has a sweet old AUG that groups just as well as my AR at 100m. At 400m it's no contest. He shoots 6" groups at 400m to my 3". We both use 4x optics.

>>32809316
>Shooting deer in the head.
>Risk getting brain matter in the blood stream and contaminating the meat with prions.

>>32809552
Yeah. Well. I eat squirrel brains, so I guess I've committed to that very minimal risk in my area. I also eat raw oysters despite the risk of Vibrio. Yolo and all.

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>>32805616
AUG master ace

>>32809639
I bet you own affliction or hardy t shirts. Because that's how fucking gay the decal is.

>>32809552
That isn't how that works, anon.

>>32806019
>Ejection port is swappable

That means if you need to switch shoulders in the middle of a fight so you aren't leaning your whole body around a left-hand corner to shoot, you're going to get a facefull of brass because you can't sit down and swap parts in your gun in the middle of a gunfight.

>>32809889
Shouldn't you be pieing the corner anyway?

>>32808512
Have shot Tavor, AUG, finger fucked RFB. The trigger's were bad.

You completely fucker the internals and manual of arms of the gun for what, 5" of barrel length? Okay the gun has a minor range advantage. Big whoop.

>>32805566
You can if you have a mustache and you're not a little bitch.

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>>32809204
>I think you're fucking retarded

I'm so used to the huge pull and reset on AUGs that when I fire ARs I bumpfire them by accident ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess it happens when you fire thousands of rounds from one rifle and only hundreds from another.

>>32810133
Bad compared to what? I want to know exactly what you think is a OK trigger.

>>32810133
you ever shot out of a car? yeah.

>>32809047

>Some bullshit about shooting right handed

Cool, I can shoot well left-handed or right-handed, Why? Because in some situations it is tactically advantageous to shoulder the weapon offhanded, this is especially apparent when going around corners.

You cannot use the AUG off handed without getting a mouth full of brass.

>>32805551
While using the rifle you have to wear a blonde wig and speak with a German accent

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>>32810133
>5" of barrel length
Depends on the specific gun. The 19" MDR, for example, is the same size as a 10.3" AR with the stock extended, so 9" of barrel, plus being a .308.
Also, people arguing about bullpups tend to forget how obnoxiously loud SBRs tend to be in comparison to their full-sized kin; a bullpup lets you have the best of both worlds, or better yet to put a suppressor on it and have a hearing-safe or at least less hearing-unsafe rifle in a carbine-sized package.

Why doesn't a Bullpup chambered in 308 with a recoil reduction system exist?

>>32810385
>recoil reduction system
Like what, an AK-107 balanced recoil system or something?

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>>32810320
>You cannot use the AUG off handed without getting a mouth full of brass.

>Be in a situation where you need to shoot left handed
>People are trying to kill you
>But muh teeth!
>Refuse to return fire
>Die because you're a mouth breathing retard that can't close your fucking mouth
>Nothing of value was lost

>>32810403
Something to cushion and somewhat balance the recoil. I believe that a counterweight type deal (like the AK-107) might work but idk

>>32810439

>Be in a situation where you need to shoot left handed
>People are trying to kill you
>Return fire
>Kill them
>Have all your teeth and both your eyes because you used a normal non autistic rifle.

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>>32807741
>Do you get your debate strategies from Trump?
So on top of showing us you're a total idiot you're gonna drag politics into failing argument like a douche?

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>>32810485

>>32810320
Yes, you can.

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>>32805580
>tfw you can't find vaporware anywhere

>>32810460
Except brass casings don't fly out of the gun with the force of a thousand chads stealing your lunch money, that's a shit argument and you know it.

>>32810555

Why pick a gun that will throw shells into my face when I can pick a gun that won't?

There is no reason to. It really is that simple.

>>32810591
>Why pick a gun that will throw shells into my face when I can pick a gun that won't?

Don't be wronghanded

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>>32810641

>Don't be wronghanded

It's very convenient to switch shoulders to suit the corner you are moving around. Leave the basement and join the Army, or at least take some tactical carbine course, you will see.

>FM 3-06.11 Combined Arms Operations in Urban Terrain

>b. Another common error is for a right-handed shooter to fire from the right shoulder around the left corner of a building. Firing left-handed around the left corner of a building takes advantage of the cover afforded by the building (Figure 3-10). Right-handed and left-handed soldiers should be trained to adapt cover and concealment to fit their manual orientation. Soldiers should be able to fire from the opposite shoulder.

>>32805551

This rifle gives me a raging hard on....then every one makes fun of my small cock. Me being bullied for small cock, ends up making me depressed. When I am depressed, I can't think right. That's when the enemy catches me when I am not on my A game, I end up dying.

Give me an ugly rifle, so I can use my hatred towards said rifle, take it out on my enemies.

>>32807164

She's very cute.

>>32805551
There isn't one.

Ergonomics comes right after training and experience, though. It should rate more prominently in how any individual evaluates a firearm -- the more so because it is subjective.

>>32805551

>>32805551

Cocking piece is plastic and breaks.

Stock degrades if not cleaned.

Be Careful where you put your offhand, Hot gas is not the one if not using the foregrip, Which breaks

Does not work in the cold at all

Guide rods get bent and whole riflee is fucked

Nice two stage Auto trigger fucktard, Now everyone ND's on Auto in Combat


t.Kiwi infantryman.

>>32810951
go away fag. nobody likes you

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>>32811013
>Does not work in the cold at all
lol ok

>>32811013
>t.Kiwi infantryman.
ohhh
ok valid points

>>32811049
>>32811049


I dont know about you, But i carried one for 6 weeks straight in the snow, living out of foxholes. The Adverse gas setting is good for -5'C during the day , But when it gets down to -30'c The rifle fails consistently

>>32811077
It doesn't get that cold in New Zealand or Afghanistan.

Are you shooting penguins in Antarctica? Just use an E-tool like a normal person.

Sounds like user error

>>32811077
>-30°c
>kiwi
At least be subtle with your bs

>>32811142

actually , Yes it does.
South Island, Lake Tekapo. 2/1st Bn. Training Ground. -18C Ambient with -12'C Windchill.

>>32811142

Sounds like you are a fag with no actual experience using this rifle in military service and real world conditions.

>>32809869
What do you think Chronic Wasting Disease is? What do you think happens to that brain matter when you liquify it and the heart is still pumping for several minutes?

>>32811235
Sounds like you can't keep moisture out of your butt stock, faggot.

>>32811301

Lmao, that guy wasnt even the Kiwi.

I'M THE KIWI

>>32811301

It is harder to do outside of your mom's basement sport.

>>32811328

One soldier to another my Kiwi brother.

Armchair warriors drive me nuts.

>>32811348

Til Valhalla, My friend.

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>>32811329
>It is harder to do outside of your mom's basement sport.

Harder than you think, friend, my mum gets pretty wet.

>>32811328
Well am I right? Probably not, to be really honest, NZDF steyrs will fail wherever they are. But if you let water freeze in your butt you're going to have a bad time.

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Most I see everywhere are 1 in 9 twist with inherent "actual ballistics" limitations there.

>>32811371

No, NZDF Steyrs Are very reliable, When not being used with Blank or In the Cold.

Aussie modernized F88's, on the other hand, are complete shit.

The biggest advantage AUG owners have is getting to play out their Die Hard fantasies. But I have a P7M13, HK94 and a 92FS so... I can too?

They're ugly, and I won't shoot one because of that.

So the gun won't fire for me. Checkmate.

>>32811013

>Does not work in the cold at all

Nigga what.

I mean the rest of your points are bad too, but go suck a dick.
I have been on too many asscold shootingranges in the alps with this thing, and it never failed due to cold.

>>32811358
>Valhalla

Is that a euphemism for the welfare line?

>>32811506
ranges maybe, but have you actually patrolled and lived with it in the field?

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>>32805995
Please do not produce any offspring.

>>32811535
>sheepfuckers blaming the weather for their own negligence

typical

>>32805995
this has to be bait

>>32806789
>>32811049
never handled a bullpup before, what's the eye relief like on this?

>>32805995
>Carbine length gas
>On a rifle length barrel

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>>32805580
have fun poorsy

http://www.hightowerarmory.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1829

>>32811535
Yes you fucktard. I'm just not posting moto valhalla bullshit like you and your fuckbuddy. If it was cold and it failed it was because you failed to maintain your rifle.

You failed, not the rifle.

>>32808250
wanna sell it?

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>>32808660
this better be bait

>>32811665

Come again?

I'm in the US with my M4, a proper combat weapon. I quite couldn't hear you over there in faggerland with your space rifle that freezes and apparently fails.

>>32805551
the entire point is that it has a ballistics advantage you dumbass
it's ergonomics where it completely shits the bed

>>32809639
An "e" is missing from freedom on the bottom one :)

>>32808374
Is that the Viper PST 1-4?

>>32811749
It is yeah

>>32805551
If they're so good why did the NZ army ditch them?

>>32811814
because they can't afford to maintain unique rifles and need to leech off of larger more successful countries that produce their own

>>32808878
Has anyone in here ever fired a F2000 before?

It looks like a lot of fun to shoot

>"It is a highly overrated assault rifle and if given the choice, I would rather throw stones at the enemy than carry that stoppage prone piece of crap," one ex-soldier wrote on The Firearm Blog.

>Another serving New Zealand Army member agreed: "The accuracy on my issued rifle was terrible ... I'd have been lucky to hit the side of a barn."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278332

they're replacing it with an AR15

aug btfo

>>32811814

Cos they're 30 years old Lmao.

they still work fine.

>>32811836
NZDF here.

They're actually very accurate. That was just a grunt gruntbashing like all grunts do.

The HK416 is objectively the best service rifle in existence right now

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>>32811874

That fact actually surprises me, because the barrel's design does the exact opposite of what you want for accuracy.

>>32810721
>join the Army, or at least take some tactical carbine course

nah

No interest in becoming a welfare queen or playing dressup as one.

>>32805551
I wish other rifles had quick change barrel simiilar to the one aug has.

>>32805566
Funny how he didn't did this with his Tavor.

>>32811609
DWELL TIME: 3.89 HOURS

>>32805616
Tavor and FS2000 are comparable for different reasons.

Tavor has that shitty mag release shit which Israelis replaced for their rifles. FS2000 is good, especially since it solves the "can't use offhand" problem but you've been warned - if it jams you have to strip it. It's very "closed" construction helps with mud, sand and shit but if it jams because one of your rounds was fucked and slipped through QA, well, you're gonna curse a lot, but 99% of times it's probably better than AUG.

>>32807741
>Do you get your debate strategies from Trump?
Hi Lyin' Ted Cruz.

No thumb over bore with them so my operating skills are off

>>32812536
If you actually use that its already off.

>>32805551
>by design trigger will be worse
>problematic to check chamber
>if chamber blows up basically R.I.P

>>32812603
>if chamber blows up basically R.I.P

Many bullpups have a steel plate to protect your face from that though. At most you'll get a slap, not shrapnel.

Also, I've seen never actually seen pics of a catastrophic failure on a bullpup that actually tears any receiver apart like what you see for an AR15, even on purely polymer on the rear side of the receiver/body.

What you sometimes see is a fucked bolt or carrier group. But nothing violent. Post pics if you have anything.

>>32807164
almost looks like my sister, 'cept she doesn't have faggy glasses and knows how to smile properly

>>32807164
I thought that was hippie dude until I turned my left
He is cute

>>32811049
Why does snow and weapons look so goddamn perfect

>>32810555
You've proven yourself to be noguns, but you should know that there's blowback coming from the chamber and it's nothing short of disorienting when you are that close.

It shits particulate and gases in your face. Imagine someone spraying hot compressed air at you, but with dirt in it. Unless you were wearing a full sealed face mask you would flinch every time and even then you would get shit on your mask after a mag.

>>32810357
Fantasy guns aren't allowed

>AUG

Are they even still making these for civ sale or did they stop again?

>>32813283

I heard that the A3s were out of production for some reason.

Now I only see the A3 M1s on sale.

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>>32807746
>>32807831
post more operatorz with the new aug please

>>32805995
I've seen a lot of potato AR builds, but that one is a doozy.

>>32812525
>If it jams you have to disassemble
No you don't. Remedial action (tap rack bang) works just fine in every instance of difficulty I've had (and they're few and far between).

>>32812513
He did. The case deflector on the Tavor works and shooting it left handed isn't an issue. It's really not an issue on the AUG either unless you make it one.

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>>32808175
like the way the guys handles here? https://youtu.be/U4Db8V38cLg?t=64

btw, why no body posted this yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvUtvC7nxs

btw, does pic related would work? (>>32805566)

>>32815082

This is exactly how I hold mine. The foregrip is actually useless because the weight is centered over the pistol grip.

>>32810539
why it doesn't have rails underneath the handguard for you to put handguards?

>>32805551
Shit triggers :v)

>>32815203
>The foregrip is actually useless
nigga u ain't driving the gun then

>>32808553

That depends on the caliber anon

>>32815424
Of course. And the studies done that show optimal barrel lenght for .308win before muzzle velocity actually starts affecting range is 13.5 inches. And every one can see the benifit of a short rifle hunting that can still touch out past 800.

>>32805551
>name an actual ballistics disadvantage

It's a .22

>>32812516
More like milliseconds

>>32808679
You are stupid.

>>32813253
I'm sure the preorders for 7.62 rifles will start shipping any week now.

>>32811268
mad cow disease as well

>>32812498

>No interest in learning a thing about this subject and am way to fat to run 2 miles. Plus, I am happy with my job at Long John Silvers.

>>32811867

>30 years old

How long has the US Military been using the M16/M4 platform? When do they plan on replacing it?

Yeah, good designs stay in service, ones with faults get replaced.

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>>32821416
>everyone else must make poverty pay too because the military is the best paying job ever
>shit milfags say

>>32809889
It's just a switch retards

>>32809639
Is there even a way to make magpul 40 rounds look not shitty in a gun?

>>32821463

Sorry kiddo, the tartar sauce needs to be refilled, so get to it. The adults are talking about guns now, complex gun shit like how to shoot around a corner without exposing your entire body and getting shot to death. This is shit way above your skillset apparently.

Chop-chop, the fillets won't deep fry themselves.

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>>32821588
>mfw

>>32811013
Fuck off with your beat up 30 year old rifle TF

>Cocking piece is plastic and breaks
Whole stock is plastic and has lasted this long
>Stock degrades if not cleaned
See above
>Be Careful where you put your offhand, Hot gas is not the one if not using the foregrip, Which breaks
Only seen maybe 2 broken foregrips in my time, spring coming out. Citing gas as a problem is like saying being loud is a problem
>Does not work in the cold at all
It works fine in -15 in the mountains surrounding tekapo or in winter in afghanistan
>Guide rods get bent and whole riflee is fucked
Never seen it but no shit if you manage to bend the rods on any semi auto rifle it's not going to work anymore.
>Nice two stage Auto trigger fucktard, Now everyone ND's on Auto in Combat
What the fuck are you talking about that's why there is a lockout of the full auto with the safety

Points you would know if you were not a cherry ass nigga
Safety can break sliding straight to full auto with little resistance, you almost got this one maybe yours are already broken
Exposed gas plug can be turned by foliage to a non setting where it will be blown off on firing.
Sights are poor beyond 300m you can make do but there is no intentional reference in the sights.
Adjusting screws on the scope will fail over time causing problems zeroing.
Don't disassemble the fucking bolt in the field, if you take off the ejector you'll probably lose the pin.
Don't put oil on the face of the gas piston you dumb shit I see people do this all the time

>>32812508
Times you will actually use this feature....

It will stop firing before the barrel becomes too hot

>>32821507
Yeah, buy steel 40 rounds

>>32811836
If you can't hit the side of a barn that sounds like a personal problem I get 30mm groupings at 100m with these old ass steyrs and hit most rounds at 600m with my guessing skills

>>32821588
What if I made tartar sauce by hand? Would that be respectful? (By taste not a recipe)

>>32814889
That's what I ment.

>>32805566
>kiss_my_brass.gif

Ok, I'll throw my hat in this ring.

Barrel length - AUG rifle had a barrel 501 mm long. That is 20" while still being twelve inches shorter overall than an AR with a 20" barrel.

Balance - CoG is 6mm in front of the trigger and in line with the barrel. On an AR it is twenty mm in front of the leading edge of the ejection port. I don't remember the vertical ousition off hand.

Off hand fire - two options permanent replacement of the bolt and ejection port cover to convert to left hand or tilting the rifle a bit so that a right ejecting case hits your BA. Thirty years using an AUG and I have never had problems with off hand.

Ballistics - designed for SS109 rounds. Same as an AR.

Cost - Colt M4 is trash after 100,000 rounds. Service life of an AUG is 250,000 rounds. Can you buy two and a half quality ARs for the cost of one AUG?

Accessories - the AUG was designed as a service rifle in the 80's. if you want twenty eight inches of rail space, get a Thales EF88/F90.

Plastic hammer group - not one failure not tracked back to some idiot fucking with the hammer group.

Proprietary mags - so what? It comes down to demand and supply. There are more poorfags out there building ARs from parts kits than people who care about quality so there are more monkey copies of AR mags.

Poor trigger feel - how many aftermarket AR triggers are being sold? IT IS A COMBAT WEAPON not a range queen for shooting sub MOA groups at six hundred meters.

>>32811875
Why not the LMT rifles there is a slight advantage in weight and accuracy from using DI system, there is an advantage in cost, I won't change my mind until they start cracking bolts or something, every one of them are grounded and riflemen have to carry a mag58 because it's the only thing still working and will always work

>>32805566

>off hand

learn to guns

>>32822349

But for the price of the AUG,

>plastic sear/hammer group
Literally why though? While it may match the durability of steel parts why skimp on this?

>poor trigger feel
This is partly due to how sloppy the trigger linkage is and partly due to the plastic sear surfaces. Again there is no reason for a rifle this expensive to have a fisher price trigger.

>COMBAT WEAPON doesn't need a nice trigger
Having a fucking shit trigger doesn't help it either. And despite fuddlore about bullpups having inherently shit triggers due to their designs there is absolutely no real reason they can't have AR tier triggers.

>>32805566
http://www.ratworxusa.com/product.ma-bbd-200bk
brass deflectors for the AUG exist, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they should've put one on the gun to begin with

>>32810539
because foregrips are for faggots and call of duty nerds that have never operated in the shit