What about SHTF luxury items? In a scenario like The Stand where

>>32796575
Honestly although it sounds nice, I'm not going to go out of my way to obtain these things, my priority is staying alive. When shit finally slightly less hits the fan maybe I'll have a look for them.

Bees however, bees are amazing.

>>32796646
That's why I'm thinking more of a The Stand type scenario specifically. There is 0 issue with staying alive. Food and supplies to scavenge everywhere, more than enough that you can't possibly run out before setting up more long term things like farms. You wouldn't even have to set up farms, you just need to go where one already exists and replant it. With the right people and mindset, it would take only weeks to be set up for the rest of your life, and then the boredom sets in.

Paper, ink, paint, and clay would seem to be the simplest luxury/entertainment things to make, but I only have vague ideas about all of them.

>>32797437
paper isn't hard to make and you can "make" ink by scraping the ink layer off of magazines and photographs with a razorblade making a kind of water color

as for entertainment i'd keep a portable HD with lots of books, movies and music but mostly books.

disregarding the zombies or insane super flu thing the last time i had to rely on my pack out i was heading to start of a hiking trail and the weather turned to fuck so i had to sit in my truck for several hours to let it tone down

>>32796575
Toilet paper.

>>32797437
Where would you like me to start with the issues I have with this

>>32796718
a problem of this, the compost heap. people don't realize how much that stuff can smell, 10 fold when you stir it up

>>32797437
>Food and supplies to scavenge everywhere.
If you are thinking about stockpiling ink and shit good and supplies won't be everywhere.
>Setting up more long term things like a farm.
I don't know if you have ever farmed but you don't just throw some seeds down. Not to mention the fact that you could be waiting a couple of MONTHS before you even get any sort of return from it.

>>32798291
I realised thanks to my phone this made me sound like I had been picking batteries, what I meant to say was that if SHTF for real to the point where you are stockpiling ink, goods and supplies won't be easily accessible

>>32796575
>What about SHTF luxury items?

antibiotics, asthma meds, anti histamines, abortifacients, epinephrine, NSAIDs, beta blockers...

my single most useful SHTF skill is being able to make penicillin.

I seriously doubt that in a shtf situation, the first thing people loot will be oil paints.

>>32796575
Chocolate, cigarettes, liquor, pussy. Vices...people love their vices.

>>32798348
Ditto.
I spent a year living with dirty stinking hippies when I was a teenager and I learned how to make so much shit out of dirt, water, and leaves.
It's a shame most people don't care to.

>>32798619
Well like what? I'm interested now

>>32798720
Like someone else said, stuff like abortifacients would be in demand.
Wild carrot aka Queen Anne's Lace grows fucking everywhere, and as long as you have gloves is easy to harvest. The seeds are a very effective birth control, outside of occasional constipation.

Ginger is easy to grow and is magic for indigestion and morning sickness.

You can grind black walnut hulls and garlic into a paste with some water and use it to treat stuff like athletes foot.

A chamomile salve or poultice can help a lot with skin irritation like eczema or chickenpox.

Willowbark or willowleaf tea can serve as a substitute for aspirin in a pinch. Just don't try to concentrate it or you'll make yourself sick.

A lot of what we use daily came about due to traditional/folk medicines being refined and their active components isolated and synthesized.
I'm not a hippie or 'prepper' at all, but I don't use much off the shelf anymore. A weekend in the woods and a few hours of preparation/preservation usually has me set for a couple months.

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>>32797437

>Food, water, meds, etc. will be everywhere
>but ink and shit won't be

>>32796575
Books will be everywhere and any metropolitan library should have a book on how to do pretty much everything. Luxury items would have to be made which means you will have to accumulate the knowledge and have people to do it.

>>32798877
That's actually pretty interesting, thanks hippy

>>32799630
Anytime, friendo.

>>32796646

>Not having trained bees to go get that stuff for you.

Damn casual.

>>32796646
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

>>32800246
I've trained my bees to do more useful shit, they have their own Mariachi band now

>>32801083

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

>>32801083
>>32803939
The bee Lords return

>>32805024
Careful friend, we don;t play.
>https://99chan.org/fubot/

>>32796575

Why are you grinding up Molly boulders next to your blue pigment

>>32805121
Yo anon, where and how do I acquire Molly without legal repercussions?

>>32798047
avoid putting grass and waste from the house on it and it's quite okay

>>32805121
Because op is clearly off his fucking face to think that supplies will be easily accessable put pigment and watercolor paints won't be.

>>32805174
It's just a specific hypothetical for the sake of discussion, you doublenigger.

>>32805186
Well if you are contemplating a SHTF situation where watercolor and music is scarce but food and supplies aren't then it's hardly a fucking SHTF situation if it? What are you a fucking liberal arts major?

>>32805527
Seriously hunny..... you don't see the troll here. Wanting to stockpile arts and crafts supplies after SHTF. Fucking /k/, easiest board in the universe to troll.

>>32798047
>compost heap
>smells
confirmed for never having owned a compost. smells like dirt, just don't compost meat and fats

Plant dyes came first. Paper appeared much later.

>What about SHTF luxury items?

The Luxury in SHTF is to have a real chance at first to deal with yourself, and then to Find Others to deal with Them.

Honestly the real luxury in SHTF is to find like minded people and to form a trusty network with them.

And then you can have your go with plant based dyes, or medicine, or engineering, or economics, or politics, or whatever in your society which doesn't get you killed.

>>32798348
>being able to make penicillin

That'd be epic OC if you shared the procedure for that.

>>32805871
Happy fapping anon
https://www.doomandbloom.net/making-penicillin-at-home/

>>32805871
>>32807121

I did read through it.

I'm not a biochemist (only well versed in it due to practical job description), however I think this (if successful) may lead to something that is essentially "sulfa".

Quite a lot of people out there are sensitized or even allergic to sulfa.

I suddenly think this is WW2 era level of antibiotics.

If you have been exposed to modern stuff at some point, this may not really work on top of that.

Well what do I know.

t. medic

>>32807494
So then when can we expect you to post something better anon, or are you just going to hit and run my meager contribution.
Personally I have pounds of antibiotics vacuum packed under a nitrogen blanket that have an expected shelf life of over 50 years so I don't actually give a fuck. I'm pre3pared for what is coming here in the US. Once Chine destabilizes our fiat currency with the help of Mexico, Iran, the Emirates and the EU, it's going to be a real party here. look at what Venezuela is going through then add 35 million completely Feral violent life long welfare dependents to that mix for an idea of how fucked up things will be.

I know prepper threads on /k/ are for shits and giggles but the day is coming and fast with President Trump getting back stabbed by his own party as he tries to make America grat again. FUcking marxist socialists have infected to much of our power structure to ever weed them out.

t.Successful American who is ready for the worst of it

>>32805159
Valhalla

>>32807494
It's a rough purification of natural penicillin. Absolutely nothing to do with or even similar to sulfa drugs.

>>32796575
Coffee and cigarettes

>>32797711
>not cleaning your ass with water
Enjoy being a dirty savage and shit stains on your underwear.

Do you wipe your whole body with paper instead of taking a bath/shower too?

>inb4 saving water
We are talking about a scenario where food and water are not an issue. Besides, why not just get more water?

>>32807777

>>32807920
Seriously, what Shtf scenario are you thinking of where food and water aren't a fucking issue?

>>32807954
Did you even read the OP?

But seriously, why not just stock on more water instead? Unless you live in a cubicle and need to save space.

>>32807977
I read OP, but in all seriousness, if you can get access to food and water then it's not a SHTF scenario is it?

Unless someone can give me an actual scenario where food and water would be easily accessible, but everything gone to shit and you need ink then this whole thing is pants on head retarded.

>>32807717
Are you me? I'm just not nearly so laden with antibiotics lol

>>32808003
>if you can get access to food and water then it's not a SHTF scenario is it?
Depends on how you look at it. Your most basic needs moght be satisified but you still need to figure out what to do with oyur spare time.

>>32808003
>Unless someone can give me an actual scenario where food and water would be easily accessible, but everything gone to shit and you need ink then this whole thing is pants on head retarded.
It is pants on head retarded. As a matter of fact almost all SHTF scenarios are pants on head retarded or unlikely to the point of being irrelevant.

Zombies are pants on head retarded too, doesn't stop people from discussing it.

>>32808062
>Depends on how you look at it. Your most basic needs moght be satisified but you still need to figure out what to do with oyur spare time.

So... Like normal life then, you know you get fed and drink and then work out what the fuck to do with the rest of your time.

While SHTF may be a little far-fetched it's not retarded, what is Katrina?

Zombies however... They are retarded.

>>32808060
People talk about what will replace currency after SHTF. At first it will be a clean water source then food and then warm clothes and shelter but very quickly antibiotics and other medical supplies will become the new gold. Spending $100 on bulk fish and farm grade antibiotics which are the same exact compounds humans use ( do your due diligence faggots) and then using the vacuum set up all good preppers have seal it under a nitrogen blanket in smallish quantities and you have something everyone will desperately need. Think bribing those who assume power or think about how desperate fathers and mothers will be when their precious rugrats get sick. Once you start thinking like a real prepper it becomes very cheap top be a king after SHTF.
>>32807954
>>32808003
OP was trolling and once again /k/ took every bit of the bait.

shampoo and makeup. everyones gonna start noticing how smelly and ugly we are really quick once everything goes tits up.

>>32808195
The sad thing is I genuinely don't think op was, I think op was just an idiot who initially had the idea of starting up a print shop or something of the like to make news letters and maybe begin to help pull a community together.

However we pointed out that your priority should be surviving rather than getting ink and what really are inconsiquential things.

>>32796575
Since I'll run out of my anti-seizure medicine shortly after SHTF I'm only planning to stay alive for a month or so. After that I'll just an hero.

>>32808195
Your strategy would have been great in eastern Europe when the various shithappenings occurred there, otherwise seems like a waste of time and resources.

>>32808195
my thinking exactly. a few pills can't be used gainst me but may help me make an important ally. ofc, bullets can become currency too but I would never, NEVER, trade bullets to non-family ppl. in fact, if I came across say 300rds of 44mag for which I have no gun at that time, I'd either hide it, take it apart and take the powder in a bag with me or just burn it in a fire pit. if it doesn't exist it can't be used against me...

>>32805159
Dark net.

>>32808235
I've been prepping all of my life cause my father was a prepper. The stories he was told growing up about the great depression in the USA were enough for him to keep about a year of home canned goods and daily necessaries stored. None of us know about our entire fucking nation either on the verge of going huingry our simply starving.It's like it never happened.
It's only in the last 80 years that all of us stopped having a very well stocked pantry in our homes and only in the last 10 to 15 years has the MSM (mostly socialists media) started demonized preppers.
We have a very large pantry of home grown and home canned goods that rotates as we use them, it's not wizardry it just takes practice. We have 18 months of dry goods on hand that we have bought at clearance prices when the opportunity presents itself.It;snot like we don't use them anyway.
Not everyone has the time or even he room for all the things we have but I swear...if every mother fucker here doesn't have six months worth of long shelf life foods and hygiene products they are full fucking potato in my book. Add a small library of things people need to learn if it all comes tumbling down and other shit for entertainment value cause at first there will be massive amounts of time with nothing to do but wait for the low IQ masses to starve to death.

>>32808410
Realy fucking shit anon.
Why not trade it? Or save it?

>>32808469
I live in northern canada.
If shit hits the fan im fucking ALLAH ACKBARing some shit.

>>32808474
>Why not trade it?

because they may use the ammo to rob me with.... never arm ppl you don't trust with your life.

>Or save it?

I said I'd hide it if possible. 300rds of 44mag isn't something you wanna carry around in SHTF with all the other stuff you need to carry.

>>32808333
trips checked
>Your strategy would have been great in eastern Europe when the various shithappenings occurred there, otherwise seems like a waste of time and resources.
Listen to yourself anon.
My strategy WOULD be good IF something happens ... IF something happens. WTF are you going to do AFTER something happens. See where I'm going here friend.
>>32808445
The darknet has been completely compromised since late 2015. Enjoy that V& ride dopehead.

>>32807717
>are you just going to hit and run my meager contribution.

No, with all respect to one's (your) efforts. However I am not good with something simply claimed to be beneficial in terms of general health. This is an issue that needs much more than just an "infomercial", and I believe you will agree with me here.

>I have pounds of antibiotics vacuum packed under a nitrogen blanket that have an expected shelf life of over 50 years

I believe all of those were readily manufactured, prepared and packed by modern pharma companies. Which is of course a very good thing. What you did was to take those packages, placed them in a barrel and replaced the natural atmosphere in the barrel with a bottled nitrogen. Which is good.

BTW, Argon would have been even better inert gas.

>>32807829
>It's a rough purification of natural penicillin. Absolutely nothing to do with or even similar to sulfa drugs.

Are you really aware what you are now talking about? Especially these modern days when every other human being has been exposed to antibiotics at least once if not more?

Come on, you can't seriously promise anything. Seriously.

>>32808498
>never arm ppl you don't trust with your life.
Now that is thinking like a man who might live a few extra years if SHTF. You favorite neighbor will kill you to feed his hungry children. remember that. Maybe after the 95% of our population that is going to die off is gone you can start making alliances.

One thing no one here ever posts about is the ethics of survival in a society with out rule of law. We are spoiled in the USA, for the most part. The threat of imprisonment keeps the vast majority of us from just doing whatever we want. SHTF is like the purge movies. It's that simple.What happens to the average person when there is no 911 and they are just fucking starving, when their children haven't eaten in three days.

People need to decide what lengths they will go to now when they can do it in a calm place. I know people who have stopped prepping because they decided they just couldn't kill other people to protect their beans and bandaides. Fucking retards as far as I'm concerned but what ever.

>>32808607
>Now that is thinking like a man who might live a few extra years if SHTF.

ppl don't realize that from slavery to cannibalism, everything has actually happened in shtf. its not fantasy, it's very real reality.

>>32808498
>because they may use the ammo to rob me with

Why are you trading without a sniper in an overwatch position? They might rob you regardless of what you're trading. Destroying stuff is just a dick move, beginning, middle, end.

>>32808580
>I believe you will agree with me here.
I always agree with you, you are one of my favorite trips and I wish we could have been friends but that's my fault entirely
My method is bagging up what ever dry goods I'm going to vacuum seal and placing them under a nitrogen blanket for a few in a room that is as moisture free as I can provide. Shaking the contents of those bags every now and then for a few days and then vacuum sealing them under that same blanket of inert gas. I have eaten homemade dehydrated foods over 30 years old processed this and they were just fine. With these modern vacuum packing systems I would bet properly dehydrated foods can be tasty and safe to consume for a century.
>BTW, Argon would have been even better inert gas.
I'm going to look into that since you mentioned it.
The nitrogen works fine for me but for someone just starting out they can go with argon if they prefer. Is there a noticeable price difference in the gasses by he cubic foot?

>>32808718
>Why are you trading without a sniper in an overwatch position?

well excuse me...

>They might rob you regardless of what you're trading.

true

>Destroying stuff is just a dick move, beginning, middle, end.

if I can't secure it, I'm nuking it. it's what the armed forces do with equipment too.

>>32808654
>cannibalism,
Talk to the servicemen who cleaned out the Super Dome after the horror show went on there for almost two week. Don't expect them to tell you much unless they are family cause it was a classified operation. People turned cannibalistic in less the 4 days there, over 1,000 human beings were never found, I'm talking tourists and other people of non color.. Never underestimate the inhumanity humanity is capable of.

>>32808744
>Why are you trading without a sniper in an overwatch position?
Are you paranoid that Candlej.......

>>32808774
tell us more....

>>32796575
Clay's not too hard to get depending on your area ( can find it along rivers, or if it's in the soil you can wash the clay particles (finer than silt and sand) out of the soil (the soil bellow the organic layer that is). There is a whole art to bee keeping (a wonderful hobby that generally leads to a long life), where as maple tapping is all about knowing when the sap starts to flow in early spring.

>>32796575
cannabis sativa.

The only plant I can think of you can harvest valuable drugs from and use the rest for textiles/paper.

>>32808845
Tobacco plants are pretty useful too. You can cure it for smoking, turn it into pesticides or dewormer, and it's a great garden plant for pollinators.

>>32808845
>cannabis sativa. The only plant I can think of you can harvest valuable drugs from

lol, cardiac glycosides and aspirin are much more relevant.

>>32808723
>Is there a noticeable price difference in the gasses by he cubic foot?
I think Argon is more expensive.

A dried Nitrogen (N2) though will not absorb that eagerly atmospheric moisture either.

Nitrogen is in use to blanket very moisture sensitive materials like polyurethane constituents (diols and especially isocyanates) in the plastics industry, so it should be quite fine gas for protecting delicate goods from atmosphere.

>>32796575
Black English Tea and milk oh and a kettle.

I like a good breakfast tea every morning.

>>32807920
Filipino detected

>>32808791
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>>32808960
>A dried Nitrogen (N2) though will not absorb that eagerly atmospheric moisture either.
Hence I mention a room that has been dehumidified to the best of my ability.

>>32809070
About what went on in the SuperDome? Use your fucking imagination.
Take the worst feral street thugs in the country and house them with hundreds of European tourists and shake well. WTF do you think happened. What do you think those savages would do if they started starving anon, is this hard for you. They did what they do the most heinous inhuman shit they could think up. This is what they do.THEY FUCKING BAR B QUEUED HUMANS anon.

>>32809136
stop with the /pol/ bullshit and talk about muh preps

>>32805159
Anons, please.

>>32809627
No, go away doper.

>>32796575
yo op, i got two grape drinks an almost full bag of fried pig skins and half a pack of kools filtered. how i am doin bro? will i get by for a minute?

>>32811333
Depends trips brohamm, are those grape drinks the full one gallon like you steal from the supermarket or the 6 ounce ones you get in jail?

>>32796575
This is sort of borderline between necessity and luxury, but a supply of that pink Himalayas salt.

The reason being that you can distil water to make it safe to drink, but you need to add salts and minerals or it'll fuck up your osmotic balance, and that pink salt has the perfect balance to re-mineralise the water (or so I hear).

>>32808292
>run out of seizure meds
>start having seizures
>decide to shoot self in head with gun you bartered your anal virginity for
>only one bullet left from fending off cannibal rape gangs
>just about to pull trigger when you start to seize, firing the gun away from yourself
>lie on the ground having a seizure when the local warlords security forces come and take you away (your bullet happened to enter their property, thus violating the NAP)
>end up sold as a sex slave

feels bad man

>>32811493
Why the fuck should I care about the ososososoosmotic balance?

>>32811552
Because you'll die if you drink nothing but distilled water? it's kind of important

>>32811523
Can't rape the willing

>>32796718
For a second I misread that as "tactical cow" and my mind boggled at the implications.

>>32811451
two little ones i stole from county lock up last week

>>32811649
Then you're fucked. Enjoy death from dehydration.

>>32798047
If a compost heap smells, they're doing it wrong.

>>32812463
You are thinking of pussy. compost smells like festering baby shit if you do it right. Maybe you just haven't been around a large compost pile. Shit can spontaneously com bust it gets so hot in the center of big piles.

>>32812737
OK dude, whatever you say. You have zero idea of what you're talking about. Strong bad odour is a sign of anaerobic activity. A good compost heap should have aerobic activity. This is composting 101. There is no debating this.

>>32812754
I helped managed a massive municipal compost pile for Richton Park IL that accepted the yard waste from several surrounding towns till the EPA forced us to close the because of the foul ass stench it gave off every time we turned the pile, even in the coldest months of winter.
Your tiny 5 or 10 cubic foot pile isn't a fart in a wind storm compared to one that is 75,000 to 150,000 cubic feet depending on the season

Now what faggot ass faggot. Anything else you want to pretend you know something about, like your moms favorite position.