What real benefits do semi-autos have over revolvers as carry

>>32792062
>almost never

Self defense scenarios are unlikely to begin with, so why would you spend more money on a gun that makes you less prepared? Also,

>Double action trigger pulls

Trigger
Reloads
Capacity
Slimness (often)
Ammo price

Capacity, really. All it takes is a gang of 7 angry niggers instead of 6 and your day just got a whole lot worse.

>>32792111
yeah but you know chocolate crickets, one goes down the rest scatter

>>32792111
Handguns dont drop in one shot even 3 could require more

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>>32792062
>Self defense shooting almost never involve more than 5 or 6 shots.

This is a "if you need more than one shot to put someone down you're doing it wrong" tier argument.

>>32792118
Depends man. Those ANTIFA fucks seem persistent.

>>32792123
.357 magnum tends to drop in one shot. 96% according to the FBI stats, if I remember right.

>>32792062
Reliability which is something those clockwork pieces of shit don't have.

>>32792131
92%.
96% was "centerfire rifles".

>>32792131
use buffalo bore+p or straight up .357 and speed loaders, give em a real shock

>>32792131
>.357 magnum tends to drop in one shot.
No, it doesn't.

https://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

>>32792062
double action trigger pulls are a bitch

>>32792143
>Revolvers are unreliable

The memes have gone too far lads

>>32792144
Thanks.
>centerfire rifles
Are the being vauge on purpose or were there not enough besides 5.56 to justify another column?

>>32792152
It does 92% of the time. That's not bad.

>>32792152
nigga one shot to the chest with a 357 and you drop dead, no coughing up blood or bleeding out internally, you fucking die.

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>>32792164
carry an SAA, or three

>>32792168
>I don't own a revolver
Ok buddy. Why don't you go back to your gun shop and hang out with Cletus the 90 year old fudd?

>>32792131
I guarantee you scoop the brains out of one antifa faggot with a .357 and they will scatter.

>>32792192
I'd like to take your word for it, really I would, but I could also carry enough 9mm to take control of Quebec, just in case.

>>32792187
>I have never owned anything but a glock and refuse to believe any other gun could even be functional

I own 3 revolvers, and have owned 2 others. The only one I've had any trouble with was a shitty "Heritage Arms" (Taurus) .22 that I ended up returning to the store because it was defective.

>>32792143
>my weak limp-wristed faggotry couldn't fully pull the trigger and it skipped over a chamber. wow what an unreliable piece of shit

>>32792228
Bang them around a bit and you'll see.

>>32792062
everything

>>32792187
I only own revolvers and haven't had issues with any of them.

>>32792245
>treat your guns like shit
>be surprised when they don't work
Gee, you sure showed us.

>>32792062
Heavier, bigger, harder to CC because of the cylinder, less capacity. That's what I can think of. Doesn't stop me from carrying a snub nose though.

>>32792222
Scoop their brains out with a 9mm and they'll scatter too.
They're trash can beating pussy faggots.

>>32792245
Ok, you have to tell us.

What shit-tier bargain basement revolver did you manage to break?

Or have you never actually owned one?

>>32792245
Don't clean a semi and see what happens.
Neither is reliable if mistreated.

>>32792277
I have 5k through my M9A1 without cleaning. Works fine.

>>32792094
Double action isn't a problem if you aren't a pussy. The trigger on my Model 19 is way smoother than the trigger on your Shield...or Glock...or "insert literally any other handgun here"

>>32792131
What's up with 357 being this magical caliber anyway, it only has about 1000 J compared to 9mm 700 J.

>>32792111
that's why you line up 2 in 1 shot, ya dingus

>>32793639
fbi meme statistics say its the deadliest handgun cartridge. It's powerful but doesn't overpenetrate.

>>32792111
niggers will run like hell if they see you blast one of them. They know they outnumber your bullets but they don't want to take that chance for crack money.

Revolver-
38 is less powerful than 9mm
Less capacity
Worse trigger
and is harder to conceal than an auto of the same size because of the shape

if you want to argue about carrying a magnum round, you're retarded. 17 shots of 9mm with almost no recoil > 5-8 rounds of .357 with heavy recoil (slow follow up shots) or even 5-6 rounds of .44 with very heavy recoil (very hard to do follow up shots).

>>32793748
>17
Try 5-10 for a carry gun because there is no way in hell I can conceal a glock17 for more than 1-2 moths a year.

>>32793793
I carry a CZ 75 8 months a year, but that's a bad argument. If you can't carry a full size auto, you can't carry a powerful revolver. So it comes down to 5-10 rounds of 9mm if that's what compacts have (I've never owned one) vs 5-6 rounds of 38 special, which is about as powerful than 9mm.

>>32792062
Capacity is important because under extreme stress (like using your CCW in a defensive situation) it is shown thats most people mag dump like crazy, having 10+ rounds gives you a better chance of hitting the target

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>>32792160
>https://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

>Fleeing to Chicago from Lake County

>>32793847
You don't need to carry full size to carry a powerful revolver. They put .357 magnum in the j frame.

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>>32792309
I put about 6k rounds through my Beretta m9a1 92fs. Had no problems yet. In pushing her as far as she will go.

>>32792111
Where do you live that being attacked by 7 angry niggers is even a possibility?

>>32793847
Sp101 or an lcr.

>>32793910
Short barrels are ass. .357 starts being good at 3".

>>32793910
>inb4 bullet velocity meme
I hear .357 out of anything under 4 inch barrel is basically equal to .38spl, yet harder to control

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>>32793935
Any major city in the US.

>pic related is some of my home insurance policy.

>>32793950
>>32793941
fug beat me to it

>>32793941 It out preforms .38 or 9mm even out of a 2 inch barrel just not as much and has other downsides like a massive fireball.

>>32793950
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html

>>32793955
That's not a home insurance policy, those are just guns, who the hell is your insurance company?

>>32792192
Kek, we'll just mow your fudd ass down with our ar15s. Its 2017, revolvers are just collectables now. But please keep enlightening us with facts you pulled out of your ass because you've never been within a mile of combat in your life.

>>32793968
Not according to >>32793970. Apparently 9mm has an extra 200 fps out of a 2 inch barrel. But the fact of the matter is, who cares? Velocity isn't gonna make a difference to someone 10 feet away and wearing street clothes.

>>32794003
Please show me a concealable ar15 is shorts and a tshirt.

>>32793934
>M9A1
Huh, you know it totally slipped my mind that existed. I was talking about the Steyr.

>>32794003
t. Cocksucker Extraordinaire.

>>32792062
Not experience magdumping at a troop of boons when it matters most

It's your life anon

>>32794019
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=107

According to this they get about the same. 1100-1200 with good ammo and dip down to 800-900 for crap ammo.

>>32793910
it's another "shortening the barrel does nothing to velocity or recoil" meme

>>32792274
I've had a Colt Anaconda and an 80s Smith 586 go out of time.

>>32793940
naming guns isn't an argument
I actually owned an LCR before, and it was worse in every way than any semi I own

Double action .45 colt would be the bees knees.

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>>32794026
How about an AK?

>>32792131
I was with a buddy that was a writer for a nationalist publication and Antifa jumped us with fucking sticks. All it took was kicking one dude, throwing another on the ground and the other 4 ran like pussies. Chased them about a block and they never bothered him again after that. Antifa are even bigger pussies than nignogs and jews. You don't have to worry about them even in numbers.

>>32794161
It'd work if you would keep the mag separate.

>>32794173
Yeah. I suppose a bakelite dong isn't an everyday sight for normal people.

>>32792062
a famous shoot out in ye oldé england had the london police with revolvers vs 3 robbers with c96 mausers

the police had to draft in the army with an mg team to stop them

>>32792245
alright yaeger

>>32792102
this

>>32794003
Call of Duty doesn't count faggotron.

>>32794003
So you're telling me that if someone started firing into your crowd of hot topic dressed faggots, that you'll pull weapons and start operating?

>implying antifa aren't a bunch of limp wristed cockfags that listen to Ska punk trash music in their parent's basement

>>32794300
Isn't that the one where Churchill walked up to the house, kicked down the door, and pointed out they'd been besieging a house full of corpses all afternoon?

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>>32792062

Its not capacity (ive seen 10 shot .22 revolvers).

Its Reload Speed desu.

With an M1911 I get 8 shots but I can pull another mag and shove it in - in the same time it takes to access the chamber on a revolver.

All of my ammunition is reloaded before someone with a revolver could reload even a single round.

The only revolver that comes close to this reload speed is a top break revolver (like the Webley) which accepts moon clips.

A Lever Action pistol (usually ~4 rounds) reloads this fast if you've got a speed loader for it (a straw-like tube). This is barely passable.

If you're reloading a revolver somebody with an auto who might not even be out yet - they can do whatever the fuck they want including Maneuver to Flank your ass, or just walk up closer and keep firing hoping to catch you exposed.

At least with any semi auto you can reload fast. Even if its only a single stack .380 with 6 rounds.

It literally takes like 1 second to reload.

> as long as you dont panic and get butter fingers and drop the gun, but thats combat vs. range for ya.

so inb4 80% of the advantage over a revolver is Reloading

revolvers often have the advantage of firepower and being highly reliable (it never jams) so if anything

> revolver is a great BACKUP gun, the snubnose 327 Federal you keep on your ankle


>>32792062
Also pic related this weapon costs $1500 I think and a Semi Auto AR pistol in 458 Socom costs about the same and does the same job while being faster to reload

> and weighing slightly more is an advantage with so much recoil, when the bear is charging because he sees lunch you need accuracy
> because he can still shake off .50 cal pistol rounds like a nig can shake off .22s . . . its just that heavy hitting rounds like these can pierce his heart

Though really ive heard a wadcutter 10mm Auto can do the same job due to penetration and thats alot easier to manage.

>>32794300

This, another highly misunderstood and underestimated dynamic is actual "Clips" for reloading.

They take a slight bit longer to reload the gun than a magazine but they're really simple and take up less space.

And most of the guns anybody would use are going to have at least 10 shot capacity.

This is comparable to "I swing the cylinder out, empty the spent cases, and I stick one round in"

By that time someone with a mag-fed is going to be reloaded but with a Clip you're just finishing your reload and probably just charged the weapon.

inb4...
Belt Fed > Mag Fed HiCap > Mag Fed > Clip

Clip > Tube Fed > Revolver > Single Shot > Muzzle Loader

>>32794472
1 speed loaders exist for all common revolvers.https://www.midwayusa.com/speedloaders-and-magazine-accessories/br?cid=687

2 revolvers can be reloaded just as fast as autos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FbUMqoyjDw

>>32794031
>Styer M9
I don't know how or why this meme started

>>32794527
Speed loaders for revolvers have existed for a century.

>>32794529
speed loaders are as fast as speed loaders for tube fed guns

Except with a revolver you have to swing the cylinder out first

By the time you've swung the cylinder out and managed to fit the rounds into the chamber (and engaging the speed loader to release the rounds into the chamber) . . . someone with a magfed weapon who's just as skilled with it will have Reloaded and Readied their weapon already.

> speed loaders dont keep the rounds completely straight, some slight fitting is required to get them in

When you dumped the empty casings from your revolver is the moment the other guy (or yourself could have) slammed the magazine into their weapon. Now all they have to do is charge it.

The downside of an auto is reduced reliability but then again in a revolver you can get a dud that leaves a bullet stuck in the barrel. So there's no perfection there.

> Jerry Miculek shoots and operates faster than IraqVeteran8888, and both of them are atypical of most shooters.

>>32794588
Just no you are underestimating how fast a revolver can be reloaded. You first example a few posts ago effectively was "you have to remove your magazine put new bullets into it and put it back into the gun" level of retardation. Also your dud example can happen in any firearm.

>>32794529
Yeah if you're Jerry miculek with moon clips on a harness belt

>>32794529
>implying Jerry is a human
>implying moon clips are not > speed loaders

I think it's time for you to consider suicide.

>>32794805
You do know that not everyone is an ultra trained pro at speed reloading an auto also right hell most people don't even let the mag drop free.

>>32794472
fudd: the post
>carries a 1911
>worries about reloading during a firefight
>thinks revolvers aren't just more reliable than autos, but that they "never jam"
>thinks revolvers are more than barely more powerful than autos for CC
if you reload during a shootout, you should be behind cover so as long as it only takes a few seconds it doesn't matter. capacity definitely does matter, with my CZ I can shoot 17 shots of 9mm which is about as powerful as .38 or .357 from a short barrel, but way less recoil and way more ammo. if you buy any modern pistol and clean it, it shouldn't ever jam.

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>>32792385
Model 19 GOAT

>>32792062

>lol statistically people normally fire 5-6 shots so im only going to carry 5

Automatics typically carry more. Automatics are quicker to reload. 9mm out of a 2 inch barrel is superior to 38 in energy and approaches 357 levels. Automatics can be smaller and hold the same round count. Triggers on many automatics will be easier to pull while aiming.

>>32792385

I can pull a double action trigger fine but no matter how smooth it is, it being harder to pull will make it less accurate to something lighter

one of my buddies just bought one.

>>32793639

I believe 9mm comes in around 550 joules out of 4 inch barrels unless you're shooting over pressured rounds. Then the limit is how tough is your gun.

>>32795064
>9mm out of a 2 inch barrel has close to the same energy as .357

Holy fuck you're a 9mm fanboy.

>>32795175

It's closer to 357 than it is to 38 :^)

>>32792187
What revolver do you own? Some shitty Brazilian one?

>>32794542
What's your problem?

>>32794842
Still, it's easier to reload an auto quickly than it is a revolver. Especially since an extra mag is easier to keep/conceal than a speed loader.

>>32792062
None really. All you really need is one bullet and one hit.

>>32792062
More bullets means more holes in your attacker.

Honestly though you should be carrying a semi auto for yourself and a snub nosed revolver for your buddy.

>>32793639
I have a 357 load that gets 880ft/lbs (1193 of your euro jewels) from a 6" barrel. The hottest +p 9mm loads out there carry about half the energy.

That same 357 load from a 16" barrel gets 1,455 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. 164gr @ 2,000fps. 9mm cant get anywhere near this.

>>32798087
yeah sure but in the context of revolvers and self defense I don't think muzzle energy really matters where 9mm is perfectly fine for stopping a human and auto loaders are superior in every way other than .357 energy

>>32792102
also ballistics,
overall gun size being the same, the semi has more barrel length than the revolver. I tried explaining this before on a concealed carry thread, mind you this mainly applies to concealed:

Glock 19 overall length 7.3", barrel is 4"

S&W 686 Plus with 2.5" barrel, overall length 7.5"
BBTI shows that +p 9mm 125gr in a 4" barrel is hotter than 357 125gr in a barrel between 2" & 3", equal at 3", and only showing real gains in a 4" barrel. And the corbon +p they use isnt even the hottest 9mm you can get. Buffalo bore has nearly 150 fps more in a g19, nearly leveling the playing field out against a bigger revolver with 4" barrel. Unless you load them at home then Im sure 357 could be pushed further.


OK so that was only comparing guns with the same overall length. lets look at other traits:

weight:
SW 686 plus is 34.1 oz (assuming unloaded?)
glock 19: 30.18 oz LOADED

capacity:
SW: 7
Glock 19: 15, 10/17/33 plus drums, not counting finger extension differences

the rest i had to google because S&W doesnt fucking list the info on their products:

Width: SW 1.6"
Glock: 1.18"

height:
sw: 6
glock 5"

sight radius is a lot longer on glock
sw 5.8"
glock 6"

trigger pull:
sw 5lbs single 12lbs double
glock 5.5lbs

>>32793955
Someone could bust in while you are away and steal all of those guns. You can see them through the window.

>>32792131
>>32792144
>96% according to the FBI stats, if I remember right.

It's not Drop, it's stop.
As in .357 is 92% effective in stopping the threat - that could mean killing him, greviously wounding him, knocking him down, making him unconcious, or making him run away wounded or otherwise.

That said 10mm and the Magnum loads are more effective than regular pistol rounds - but they still aren't rifles

>>32793648
>fbi statistics are a meme
were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?

>>32798087
>>32798207
see this. how BIG is your 357 revolver?
Also the hottest loads out there commercially are pushing 500ft lbs in a 4" barrel. cant find any fucking results from much bigger

>>32795027
Just don't fire too much .357 through it.

>>32794529
Speed loaders are fucking horseshit garbage and the only effective loading system for revolvers are moon clips. Full moon clips.

>>32792152
Please enlighten us with all of your experince shooting people with .357

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>>32792152

>French special counter terrorists units stormed an airplane armed with 6 shot .357 magnums. The first CT guy who went in killed two AK wielding terrorists with one shot to the body each.

.357 mag is one hell of a man stopper if you land a hit provided it comes out of a 4 inch barrel or more.

I have an 8 shot .357 mag with speed loaders as my bedside. Couldn't feel safer. TBQH

>>32794003

Even though I carry a Glock and own AR'S. The funny part is. You'll be mowing down no one. Your fat larper ass will eat the fuddest <30 "Aught" 6 > from 300 yards away in a tree stand and you'll never see it coming.

>>32798383
http://www.gunblast.com/Butch_MagnumLoads.htm
My take away from reading this is to avoid HOT 125 gn loads, and clean your gun.

>>32792173
All centerfield rifles are grossly overpowered when talking about shooting humans.
Also, there are an incredibly small number of homicides committed in the U.S. using long guns.

>>32798364
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

>>32793934
Yet, the US police chose not to renew the contract with Beretta.

>>32795064
>lol statistically people normally fire 5-6
If the average is 5-6, it might mean that 50% of the times 1 shot is enough and the other 50% of the times 11 shots are needed.

So if you carry less than 12 bullets, I have bad news for you...

>>32798640
>Le French story
Post sauce

>>32792062
Capacity and reload speed. Goodnight.

>>32793656
>They know they outnumber your bullets
Do they? Do they really?

>>MUH .357

Corporal Mark Coates was shot and killed after stopping a car for weaving in traffic on I-95 near the Georgia border.

During the traffic stop the subject began to struggle with Corporal Coates and they both fell to the ground. The man fired a .22 caliber handgun into Corporal Coates' chest, but the round was stopped by his vest.

Corporal Coates was able to force the man off of him and return fire, striking the him five times in the chest with his .357 caliber revolver. As he retreated for cover and to radio for backup, the man fired another shot. The round struck Trooper Coates in the left armpit and traveled into his heart.

The man survived the incident and was sentenced to life in prison.

Corporal Coates was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and had served with the South Carolina Highway patrol for five years. He was survived by his wife, two sons, two step-daughters, parents, sister and brother.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/420-trooper-mark-hunter-coates
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2013/01/stopping-power-myths-legends-and-realities.aspx
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-22l-for-self-defense/

Enough said.

>>32800006
2" barrel .357 is weaker than 9mm

you need a 4" barrel to get actual 700 ft-lb velocities

>>32792131
Hate me for being a newfag but what is ANTIFA? I keep seeing it but don't really know what it means.

>>32800384
Seconded, see a lot of salt over on pol about it but don't care enough to ask them.

>>32800584
>>32800384
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antifa

>>32792062
semiauto pros
capacity
trigger

revolver
cheaper
more reliable

however in the typical self defense situation as you pointed out you probably wont need more than 6 shots
also good quality modern semi-autos are very reliable these days.

id say the winner is still semi-autos because DA trigger sucks and i doubt youll be taking the time to pull the hammer back for each shot.

its still comes down to preference. some people find revolver more comfortable to carry but this is mostly subjective. you should still find whats more comfortable for you to carry since youll be more likely to carry it it if doesnt impede or irritate you.

remember having any gun is better than no gun

>>32792062
I prefer single stack mags over revolvers because I find them more comfortable to conceal carry.

>>32800861
revolvers are theoretically more reliable, but in reality they get light hammer strikes, jam, and lose timing if you dont keep them clean and taken care of just like any other gun.

>>32793793
Bitch I carry a Beretta 92 year round and I live in Texas!

This shitty thread again? Just hide and ignore. It's always a troll thread.

>>32800384
sheltered white kids who try to beat you up because you voted for trump and don't care about pandas.

>>32792062
>fudd finds /k/ for the first time, the post

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Well i love wheelguns. Its all about taste, some people like wheel gats. Some like furiously masturbating to pictures of gaston glock. I carry a .38 everyday.
>pic related my charter arms under cover.

>>32792062
>Why are they better
>Inb4 capacity

So we just ask questions and then ignore valid answers huh. OK.

>>32792062
Contrary to popular belief, revolvers can malfunction, to include jams. Nearly all semi-auto issues can be remedied in the field, but a jacked-up revolver could very easily require a gunsmith, or at least a work bench.

There's also capacity, ergos (I hate how revolvers feel in the hand), IMHO better recoil characteristics, more concealable at greater barrel lengths IMO, faster to reload, no cylinder timing to get fucked up, better factory sights on most auto, etc., etc...

The real question is why would you carry anything other than a semi-auto, except as a back up?

DISCLAIMER: These are my hot opinions,feel free to be unconvinced.

>>32793998
>not taking your guns out of the safe to fondle them when you get home and proudly display them before tucking them in again with a wipe of CLP and a kiss

>>32792111
If the 7th angry nigger has the balls to still face me after I have gunned down six of his brothers I will commend him for his bravery and give him my wallet.

Recoil.

Wheel guns firing the same round as most semi-autos will have higher felt recoil from the higher bore-axis.

In idiot terms the center of the barrel is further from the center line of your wrist. The further you move the center of the barrel out the greater leverage the gun has against you when shot.