https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/ 01/24/nra-files-lawsuit-

>>32760057

>everyone said Trump wouldn't get elected
>everyone said Trump was a wolf in sheep's clothing
>everyone said he wouldn't repeal Obama care
>everyone said the HPA would die in committee
>everyone said he would go back on building The Wall
>everyone said we wouldn't pull out of TPP
>everyone said we wouldn't free those oppressed by AWBs

This is EXACTLY what I said was going to happen. It will go all the way to SCOTUS and AWBs will be ruled unconstitutional.

Like. Fucking. Pottery.

>>32760175
NY and hopeful. Also went to my first gunshow since moving up here....... it was in the capital plaza concourse

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>>32760057
Fuck I hope so, CA is a fucking mess at the moment.

I'm glad the faggots (other half) on /k/ are wrong.

>>32760175
>AWB's are ruled unconstitutional by the SJC

When this happens I'm going to purchase a gold-plated Saddam-style under-folder AK and hot glue gun it live on Facebook.

>>32760214

Nigga you don't get it. After SCOTUS rules, ALL bans will be unconstitutional. I don't know what it is going to look like, and I won't get my hopes up, but AWBs will be gone for good forever, we may get lucky and they may start ruling other restrictions unconstitutional.

It is possible (while extremely unlikely) that parts of or the entirety of the NFA and GCA could be striken down.

May the days ahead be bright for those in occupied territories.

>>32760251

>150 years ago the industrial cities freed the slaves in rural America

>today the rural Americans free those oppressed in the same cities

Don't worry brothers, we're coming, hold strong, relief is on the way. We thank you for fighting the good fight and never giving up.

>>32760175
Awb being ruled unconstitutional will hopefully soon allow us to have SBR and SBS with no issues, and hopefully silencers soon. Then onto nfa repeal.

>>32760251
Just you wait until national carry reciprocity gets passed and then some enterprising state legislature gives a lenient constitutional carry rights to every American citizen regardless of if they belong to that state or not.

>>32760228
Nothing good is gonna happen for us anon. I want to habeeb, but our state has a long and cherished history of telling the fed Gov't to fuck off when it comes to gun laws.

>>can't even NFA suppressors at all
>>can't even NFA SBR's
>>can't even NFA SBS (excluding AOW, and not even that anymore I believe)

>>32760304

Could.. could this work?

>AZ or someone passes a law that grants constitutional carry protection for every citizen of the US regardless of their resident state or what state they are currently in

Could a single state effectively give everyone in America constitutional carry?

I am so erect at this thought.

>mfw we're still going to get those fucking threads saying the NRA doesn't do anything for us and only cares for rich fudds
We need to fucking lynch the disinfo agents that have wormed their way into this board

>>32760250
Double nigger I get it. They rule one ban unconstitutional it sets the stage to challenge all state level bans. Arguably the federal ones too. I have known for a decade this is the only way for NY MA CA MD etc

>>32760335
Even beyond that almost nothing we have is in compliance now, and fuck registering anything. I was talking to some FFL's last weekend and none of them know how any of this is supposed to work, nor do the leo's they've talked to for that matter.

FYI, two of the leading candidates to be his SC nominee are 'bigly' pro-gun, one of which just ruled on the chicago target range case a week or two ago

>>32760336
>this just in texas has redefined its legal borders as "north of the rio and in the heart of every american man woman and child"
>all three groups are hit with mandatory assult weapons armorment bill passed last week, using californias tax budget to provide weapons to their citizens

>>32760250
Still doesn't mean it won't take either another court case or forever for the other states to recognize the ruling.
NJ took over a year after the Supreme Court ruling to recognize that tasers are protected under the 2nd and that the ban was unconstitutional. How long do you think that they will hold out on their AWB because it is "different enough?" Every state will until a second court case.

>>32760250
>AWBs will be gone for good forever
rulings can be reversed, but they would be gone for the foreseeable future. leftist cities are also notorious with not complying until sued and forced to.

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>Have a friend living in CT
>He's desperately trying to leave so he can buy something besides a gelded SKS
>Thinks it'll never happen when I promise to give him one of my AKs if the AWB gets fucked in the ass

Dude is going to shit bricks

>>32760558
YFW you are ok giving away an AK. Honestly not a bad bet to lose and being near the CT VT NY lines I know his pain

>>32760572
More of a promise, less of a bet. Dude's been a good fucking friend

>>32760587
A true /k/omrade if there ever was one.

>>32760587
Righteous of you! (e-salutes)

>>32760587
Well thats even better. May the safe act and all its retarded cousins die the death of a thousand cuts

>>32760304
>>32760336
no, because the reciprocity bill won't get passed if the reps know those conditions are what's coming. at least, what does get passed, would be massively rewritten. you might end up with a federal ID, which is worse and would almost surely die in the house.

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>>32760057
Fuck ya! California next please. We need un-cucked ARs to wipe out the libs,beans and nigs.

>>32760587
Respect to you /k/omrade. You're a true friend and Patriot

>>32760057
How do the NRA's actions have anything to do with me not voting for an authoritarian candidate?

>>32761460
>Johnson
>not voting for an authoritarian candidate
Make that cake.

>>32761585
Still worlds ahead of the candidates for both main parties who think you should be able to encrypt your data to hide things from the government and want to start censoring the internet.

>>32761607
*shouldn't be able to

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PLEASE UNKEK US PLEASE
GET ALL OUR ASSAULT WEAPONS LAWS REPEALED

>>32761607
Open those borders.

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>>32761607
>I voted for the guy who ran with a man calling for a fucking AWB
You fell for the LINO meme sorry

>>32761667
>muh borders
A lesser issue to me than the massive loss of freedom and privacy on the internet that the candidates from both major parties were calling for while campaigning.

>>32761687
>b-but his running mate
You mean the guy who wasn't running to be elected as president?

>>32761742
>Open borders isn't anything
>Giving the Dems complete control of the country for the next century isn't bad and will not lead to curtailed rights at all
I'd be amazed at how small-minded and short-term you are, but then again, you voted for the faux-Libertarian mememan because this was your first election and you missed the Ryan Bus.

Sign the TPP.

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>>32760057
What, precisely, does NRA/NRA-ILA have to do with Trump?

Please explain at length. I'll wait.

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>>32761607

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>>32761784
>mfw people unironically support the Libertarian Party after what it became this election cycle
Stupid children.

>>32761792
I think it's funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xlmU9LvtAs

>>32761768
>b-but the dems will totally destroy the white race if they win
>y-you just don't agree with me because
this was your first election
>you can only accept my candidate attacking your rights or their candidate
My first election was the 2008 election, try again.

>>32761784
>muh aleppo
Considering he was against interfering in Syria, I fail to see why this is an issue.

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>>32761878
>Dems totally aren't reliant on minorities for votes and I just don't see how opening up our borders to a shitload of minorities would benefit them in any way
You're an idiot, but you voted for Johnson, so I'm being redundant.

> I fail to see why this is an issue.
Of course you don't you silly boy.

Throw away that gun.

Johnson was a fucking awful candidate and the worst mistake the Libertarian party has made to date, and this is coming from someone who voted for the Pauls whenever he could. He wasn't Libertarian, he was practically a DNC plant.

>>32761943
This. The only small-government constitutional originalist this cycle was Darrell Castle, and he turned many people off with his unapologetic Jesusism (except me, because I'm exactly the same way).

>>32761878
Do you have any idea how brain-dead retarded you have to be to consider yourself a POTUS nominee and not know one of the most covered shatter-points in current? geopolitics

>>32761924
>Dems totally aren't reliant on minorities for votes and I just don't see how opening up our borders to a shitload of minorities would benefit them in any way
>all minorities are beholden to voting for the dems

>Throw away that gun.
I like how you're only able to attack him on things like this or Aleppo while the other candidates are calling for regulating encryption, censoring the internet, more domestic spying, and other ways of shitting all over the constitution.

>>32761970
>and not know one of the most covered shatter-points in current? geopolitics
You mean the one that was completely irrelevant to his policies given his stance on not intervening?

>>32762004
>You mean the one that was completely irrelevant to his policies given his stance on not intervening?
I have to wonder if you're trying to make Libertarians look bad, because the amount of abject stupidity behind these kind of mental gymnastics is astounding...

>>32762012
He's putting cyber-freedom over literally everything else, kid's not the sharpest crayon in the box

>>32762020
>>32762012
>>32762004
>>32761970
Also Weld was a disaster by himself.

Seriously.

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>>32762004
>all minorities are beholden to voting for the dems
Holy shit dude, how far up your own asshole are you? They won't obviously all be Democrats, but the majority will be, and considering we have representational voting...

>>32762012
Except that one issue is irrelevant when you consider everything else that's on the table.

>>32762020
>He's putting cyber-freedom
You mean the reason this website is able to exist? Go fuck off back to circlejerkeddit/spybook/where ever the hell you're from.

>>32762051
Hmm, maybe that's a hint that you should be recruiting those people.

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>>32762044
Weld made me officially sever my ties with the party. It's clearly too far gone and has no idea what it's doing anymore.

>>32762089
>4chan > Gun rights
You have to be a noguns child, Jesus

>>32762089
>compromise party values for the sake of votes
You genuinely make me ashamed, you aren't a real Libertarian by any sense of the word and your ilk are the reason the party has collapsed on itself.

>>32760057
Trump has done literally nothing for gun laws yet though. the NRA was going to file this regardless of who won.

>>32762051
This makes me wish america gets its white majority stabailzed and growing percentwise again. Maybe by Trump somehow making America actually great again for large conservative families.

T. nonwhite tired of fellow shitskins ruining america and my rights.

A POTUS TO SURPASS ALL WEAPON BANS

>>32762089
>maybe that's a hint that you should be recruiting those people.
Or maybe not open up borders like a complete idiot and resort to expanding federal control in the forms of handouts to coerce their vote...you know, the opposite of what you're supposed to be about if you're a Libertarian...

>>32762152
> if you're a Libertarian
He isn't a Libertarian, he's just a kid that's too stupid to realize he's a Democrat and fooled himself otherwise by falling for the Johnson meme

>>32760228
>tfw German gun owners refer to their situation as "not Kali-bad"

>>32762109
>implying that was all that is on the line and not internet freedom in general

>>32762126
>compromise party values for the sake of votes
Or help them better understand how the party values benefit them.

>y-you aren't a real Libertarian
>with a capital L

>>32760335
cut fed money to state of california

>>32760281
>rural America freeing the slaves on the Democrat plantation
MLKquote.jpg

>>32762188
Post your guns you child

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>>32762221
>p-post your guns

>>32762188
> help them better understand how the party values benefit them.
And then get beaten because the Dems flood their coffers with federal handouts as they are so wont to do, meaning we're back at square one, except now the Dems have complete control over the entire nation. The Clintons managed to coerce an overwhelming majority of black voters this way to go for Hillary, even though her husband should be associated with the institutionalizing the mass incarceration of their race. You're not very good at this.

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>>32762089
>>32762051
>>32762004
>lol it's not like minorities are guaranteed to vote democrat
>yeah they kinda are
>lol guess they should be pandered to then amiright?
Wew

>>32762308
>ignoring the next post: >>32762188
Or help them better understand how the party values benefit them.

>>32762321
No you dumb nigger you had no idea how minorities voted then when shown you just heelturned and said they should be converted like you didn't just show fucking oblivious you are to politicking in the US

Fucking kill yourself

>>32762346
>No you dumb nigger you had no idea how minorities voted
Uh, no. I've been following elections in detail for almost a decade now. I suggested that instead of continuing to go us vs them on yet another group, we should try to recruit that group.

>>32760335
Not only do we violate The Constitution, we also violate our state constitution.

Basically whether or not it's in-line with or support of marxist/leftist/faggotry/etc shit determines the de facto legality of anything in California. The letter of the law has always been meaningless in cali.

>>32762136
>T. nonwhite tired of fellow shitskins ruining america and my rights.
I like you, you may stay.

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>>32761783
they wouldn't have attempted this with Shillary as POTUS.
CTR your job is over, please go and stay go

>>32762134
>Trump has done literally nothing for gun laws yet

He hasnt even been in office for a fucking week yet

>>32760057
>Trump will never run
>Trump will never recover from Mexico comments
>Trump will never reach 15%
>Trump will never recover from Muslim comments
>Trump will never reach 25%
>Trump will never win New Hampshire
>Trump will never reach 35%
>Trump will never win Super Tuesday
>Trump will never win Super Tuesday 2
>Trump will never reach 45%
>Trump will never recover after Wisconsin
>Trump will never win unbound delegates
>Trump will never recover after Colorado
>Dahnald, hand over the delegates...
>Trump will never be the nominee
>Trump will never recover after the Mexican judge
>Trump will never accurately predict Brexit
>Trump will never pivot to the General Election
>Trump will never poll better than Clinton in swing states
>Trump will never unify the GOP
>Trump will never recover after Khan
>Trump will never win the debates
>Trump will never recover from PussyGate
>Trump will never win OH, IA, NC, FL, PA, MI, WI
>Trump will never repeal Obamacare
>Trump will never bring back jobs
<YOU ARE HERE>
>Trump will never build the wall
>Trump will never deport illegal aliens
>Trump will never abolish Common Core
>Trump will never destroy ISIS
>Trump will never win reelection
>Trump will never found the Imperium of Man
>Trump will never colonize the galaxy
>Trump will never purge the Xenos scum
>Trump will never rule for 40,000 years

>>32760303
I hope, as a New Yorker I just want pistol grips already.

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>>32760558
Better version

>>32760281
>150 years ago the industrial cities freed the slaves in rural America
>50 years ago the industrial cities' pops moved to rural areas to avoid those slaves they freed
>today the rural Americans free those oppressed in the same cities
Freeing black people is an American pastime.

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>>32761792
>Tfw libertarian and watching my party try so hard to cater to Bernie Sanders voters

It's sad to think that Trump will probably do much more for freedom in America than Garry Johnson would have.

Took them long enough. Pretty sure the founders didn't want govt stooges banning things at will.

>>32760544
>leftist cities are also notorious with not complying until sued and forced to.
Leftist cities will be too busy trying to remain sanctuaries without Federal bucks to waste their money on losing court battles.

>tfw Indian Point will remain open because Cuomo won't be able to spend tens of millions of dollars on lawfare every year trying to drive them out of state.

>>32760057
massfag here, godspeed nra, fuck this stupid libtard state

>>32762136
Anon, you need to increase the percentage of your people who think correctly.

Go find a woman and use your penis on her until this is solved.

>>32762089
You're an idiot.

>>32760383
Which would have zero effect in our current rigged-to-shit-and-back court system, and you know it. At any rate, getting a single suit before the SC will take the better part of a decade. Meanwhile every blue-fascist state passes another new half-dozen laws every year -- or, like that dyke cunt Healey, they just pull new measures out their ass.

I'll start feeling optimistic when the Justice Department gets involved.

>>32763373
Johnson would have fucked this country so hard. Trump did one of the greatest things in a decade right out of the gate by telling TPP to fuck off and Johnson would have signed the fucking thing. You have to be a special kind of cuck to be outdone entirely by a single act from a grandstanding blowhard like Trump on literally day one. Can't believe people here will stand up for him and try to ignore who he had as a Veep pick too.
>picrelated; audience reflects every libertarian's fw this Dynamic Duo becomes the party ticket

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>>32763495
>forgot pic, please fuck my face

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>>32763495
It's particularly sad because this election cycle was a hugely missed opportunity for the Libertarian party.

Even though I like Trump, him and Hillary had an incredibly high disapproval rating, and a majority of their voters felt like they had to, instead of wanting to.

If the party could have put up a good candidate that strongly and unapologetically protested the current establishment as much as Trump did, they could have stood a very real chance at winning.

>>32761878
How about him failing to name a single foreign leader he respects in that same issue where he displays a total lack of awareness of basic world events?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIQKHjR6dbs
How does that play into his agenda? Maybe he's just a bumbling idiot that set the party back 30 years?

>>32763538
I think the way the Libertarian Party squandered this phenomenal opening should be studies for decades to come. It's nothing short of fascinating, if not macabre. Disenfranchised voters out the ass, both candidates acting like total idiots with one being a reality TV star with an ego the size of a planet and the other one of the most blatantly corrupt politicians in American history that literally paid her way to the nomination. All they had to do was put up someone sane, presentable, and willing to call out the bullshit that has become our political landscape. Instead we get a man who is practically a shill for Hillary and his running mate is a statist asshole from MA. They made it so Trump could be presented as the true outsider in the race, and the horrible thing is that was the reality, and anyone with eyes could see it. I'm not sure what to think anymore, other than the party heads need to be strung up from a tall tree for how badly they bungled an election that could have given third parties the window they've needed for so long.

>>32761943
this already happened, and keeps happening
>bob barr was the nominee, not mary ruwart
it's what the LP is for: derailing libertarians from a libertarian message, wasting time and money not even really spreading the message of liberty, but to instead try to win government power by sheer dumb luck when the reality is they are hopelessly irrelevant and outskilled and invariably poll 5-10x their real performance in the general because they've made themselves a fucking joke to everyone else.

the last person to spread libertarian ideas, spread them further than any libertarian has since murray rothbard, was a republican, ron paul (he left the LP long ago)

>>32761784
>not giving a shit about foreign affairs whatsoever
this is ironically the only really hardcore libertarian thing johnson offered the whole time and he still got fucking dunked on it because he cannot frame a simple message correctly

F

>>32763626
I think there's a difference between not giving a shit about what some dunecoons do to one another and having all of the awareness of a four year old.

>>32760303
>Awb being ruled unconstitutional will hopefully soon allow us to have SBR and SBS with no issues
Wow, this just showcases how fucking dumb you people are.

>>32762051
Niggers always have poor judgement, politics is no different. They don't even understand what they're voting for, they just want to hear the government echo their complaints and MUH BLACK LIVES MATTER FUCK WHITE PEOPLE

>>32763538
>>32763602
I would still not have given the libertarians a real chance in this last election. If they showed that they could field a reasonable candidate (instead of the two clowns that they fielded) they would have then gained enough attention to become the true third party that this country needs.

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>>32763653
Just let this site die, there's no saving it now with the amount of retards that have flooded in.

>>32763668
I don't think they would have won. What they could have done was showed the entire nation that the third party is a viable, tangible alternative to the cesspool duo, and set the stage for the next cycle. What they did instead was hurl the third party option from irrelevancy to farce, and then the loony cunt that is Stein had to go and fuck it up even further. For the next two decades, libertarians are going to be associated with bungling fuckwit that looked stoned all the time and flipped out like a Tumblrina over someone saying "illegal immigrants". Thanks, Gary. I hope you get gutshot by a thug and bleed out in a dark, wet alley.

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>>32763665
Every single non-white demographic votes en bloc Democrat.

I feel sleazy even typing that on a Chinese knitting board, but... there it is. Mind numbing. It shouldn't be an issue. But I guess as a fucking cisgendered white man, my opinion doesn't count.

>>32763650
absolutely, but he couldn't even play it off like they don't matter and bluff his way through that, knowing what the libertarian position ought to be about foreign escapades. surely you don't think he wouldn't even be able to guess that the name isn't american.

"what would you do about aleppo?"
"not my problem. america first."

>>32763653
he's talking about his state laws, nerd.

>>32763747
Oh, I hear you. No, that kind of intuition is just a bit beyond ol' Gary's mental faculties it seems.

>>32762321
The single greatest hurdle to spreading libertarianism is the Libertarian Party, and you voted for their stooge. You don't get to have opinions on this.

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>>32763733
I can't believe I agree with Phil.

>>32760057
>TRUMP DA BESS
Even when the NRA actually gets off of its ass and does something someone else gets the credit. I swear to Christ if I hear one fucker from MA talk about how member dues are a waste of money I'm going to break Breivik's high score.

>>32763823

>Pro gun

>Also pro lobbying

So fucking degenerate

>>32763839
In a perfect world there would be no lobbying groups, but we don't live in a perfect world. Also seeing as something like 70% of the money the NRA gets annually comes from member dues and merch sales (which they would not get if they didn't support what their members support) I consider them to be one of the few lobbying groups that is truly a "voice of the people".

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I'm still not tired of winning.

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There is a reason why libertarianism appeals mainly to Christian White males and why it all went to crap after it started attracting people outside that group. You don't want to attract 'dude 420 blaze it weed lmao everyone is equal maaan anarchy rah rah fight tha powa' urban dwellers into your movement. In other words, you can take the man out of the leftist pozfest disaster that is the city, but you can't take the city out of the man.

The only 'libertarians' I can take seriously are the Christian apologists a la Chesterton, Nock, even Spooner... but Mises and then Hoppe got me thinking differently. If you have been following politics for at least a decade then you haven't been reading the right stuff.

The man who loves his country and gets sentimental about the American Revolution would be well served to remember the context of "all men are created equal." When they said "We the People," they did not mean what a modern 'citizen of the world' thinks they meant.

>>32763702
Give it another year or two. By 2020 I'm betting this place will be very indiscernible from Reddit.

>>32764003
>You're not a REAL Libertarian unless you want to gas minorities
Please consider suicide.

>>32760740
Who says they have to know?

>>32764081
That's completely believable, considering post quality on mainstream subreddits in 2013 was much higher than 4chan today. What's really sad is it's getting harder and harder to find websites where the community isn't complete shit, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack today.

>>32764169
He never said that or anything remotely analogous you turbo autist. He was lamenting the infiltration of libertarianism by social liberals and urbanites.

>>32764286
>The man who loves his country and gets sentimental about the American Revolution would be well served to remember the context of "all men are created equal."
Don't be coy. I know where this statement leads.

>>32760757
>Not ammo tax and licensing first.

>>32760057
>https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/01/24/nra-files-lawsuit-absurd-massachusetts-assault-weapons-ban/

What does this have to do with trump? They only talk about how he might appoint a pro 2a supreme court judge at the end.

>>32763653
Think about it, though. If an AWB is ruled unconstitutional, it will create precedence for it being unconstitutional to ban firearms based on largely cosmetic features. SBRs and SBSs are the next logical step.

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>>32764386
you have to understand the context of when our AG did this, it was right as the primaries were happening which was a big distraction from any other news at the time, just before MA legislature was on recess. she did this under the assumption that hillary would win and no one would be able to oppose it. with trump in office, and with a potentially very pro 2a supreme court justice, theres a very real chance that MA could see the end of its 20 year AWB nightmare. Im so fucking excited for the prospect of not having to abide by these unconstitutional laws anymore, this cant happen soon enough

>>32764445
>SBRs and SBSs are the next logical step.
>what is United States v. Miller

>>32764300
>Don't be coy.
I know asking a post-modern individual* to judge anything in context is silly, but this is an internet argument after all. Why don't you tell me what you think it meant?

>>32764682
> Why don't you tell me what you think it meant?

I think the other anon's mind immediately went to linkrelated and he freaked out like the Tumblrfag he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

>>32764682
Apologies if it isn't the case, but typically it ends in the assertion that "all men created equal" refers to white male landowners (which is historically and contextually accurate). As such "equals" are the only ones for whom Constitutionally protected rights apply. I see this shit all day. You're not fooling anyone.

>>32764542
going by the United States v Miller you could argue that times have changed enough to where both are commonly used enough by military to where the argument that they are uncommon enough to not be covered no longer applies. SBS may be a bit of a stretch, but considering that pretty much everyone that is issued a rifle gets a M4 with a 14.5 inch barrel, I think the SBR portion of it at least would be an easy enough sell in front of a sympathetic judge.

>>32760418
I came

>>32764751
Do you know what I see? Radical egalitarians who use "all men are created equal" to mean something along the lines of "the aliens and minorities don't need to assimilate because America is a melting pot, magic soil that turns people into conservative Constitutionalists, and not a Christian nation with a unique heritage because history is dead (white men), please-please-please see how progressive I am."

The problem with being an individual* is that everyone else is ganging up on you, because other people tend not to play by YOUR rules. I could go on, but clearly the sort of pragmatism that people used to call 'common sense' is seen as problematic nowadays.

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>>32761792
This right here is when I stopped being a libertarian. I'm a shitskin so I couldn't go NatSoc, so I just became a paleocon. This is the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen the Libertarians do than than nominating Gary Memeson.

>>32765312
>muh Christian nation
Go nail your dick to a starving dog.

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>>32760057
as a MAsshole, let me say:
FUCKING FINALLY
This bitch literally threatened every MA gun owner with 10 years in federal prison, for being a gun owner in MA.
>She writes an editorial in the Boston Globe
>somehow her opinion becomes law from an editorial
>Lets call it an "enforcement notice" so we dont have to run it by the governor
>Lets refuse to hear any opposition from pro-gun groups, we know best
>all of a sudden MA is even more fucked than before

The "enforcement notice" that AG Healey has instated is some of the most sloppy law making I have ever seen. It makes NO SENSE. Multiple clauses of her AWB conflict with eachother, and every violation carries 10 years in federal prison (and probably getting your doggo killed). I hope Trump takes her enforcement notice and wipes his ass with it.

>>32763407
I have been taking people to the range during my spare time and some oversea antigun coworker who've I've worked with is now interested in buying a handgun and has even taken classes and shit.

>>32760057
>[the suit] asserts the state’s definition of assault weapons is a “non-technical, entirely fabricated, and political term of uncertain definition and scope".

Ballsy. They're arguing a technicality. MA might fuck them over by passing a law which defines assault weapon. NRA are walking a tight rope. Hope it works out.

>>32765646
I'd be OK if they officially defined "assault weapon". It so bad that under AG Healey's AWB an M1 garand is considered an assualt weapon.

>>32765584
Wait, what? How does violating a state law get you Federal time?

>>32765355
Fight me.

>>32763733
>Jewish
>71% Democrat

How coincidental.

>>32760214
I went there Saturday, picked up a 6.5 Carcano and a Savage .22 magnum.

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>>32760057
>Be MAss hole
>Get good news

>>32760228
This and the fucking handgun registry. There was about 1000 handguns in 2010 that were legal from sale
Little more than 700 in 2014
Just shy of 500 as of today

Gents what we gained in water we're losing in firearms

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>>32760214
Cuomo has said that he wants to make NY stand up against Trump, I doubt that his corrupt arse will take this lying down. There's also the fact that he considers SAFE a crowning """"""""""achievement"""""""""" of his administration, and we all know that his genuine achievements are few and far between.

it would be nice if he just let it happen tho

>>32760558
thanks for the rare Lupin

>>32763224
acktually...
>Trump will never bring back jobs
>Trump will never build the wall
>Trump will never deport illegal aliens
<YOU ARE HERE>
>Trump will never abolish Common Core

>>32760757
And non nordics who think are white.

>>32761970
Everyone only knew about Aleppo because of bullshit news reports harping on about the siege and how no one would think of the children, it was meme tier and the dumb fucks that wouldn't shut up about it probably can't put Aleppo on a god damn map, never mind other Syrian cities
Fuck I bet most of the us population would struggle to point out Syria on a god damn map
Johnson's an idiot and I wouldn't have voted him were I American though

>>32763733
>WHITE LIVES MATTER WE'RE SO OPPRESSED
Neck yourself cunt, it doesn't fly when niggers try it, it won't when you do it either faggot

>>32764003
Fucking kill yourself retard, this is about our civil liberties not what you think about ghetto trash (comes in all colors btw)

>>32760304
They won't pass a reciprocity bill without establishingbsome minimum criteria for issuing a permit.

>>32764199
Who says they have to know what? There are already states that have almost no standards for issuing carry permits.

>>32765312
Because americans don't have to be conservative constitutionalists or christians you greasy fuck

>>32766198
Don't need to, read your pocket constitution again.

>congress shall make no laws establishing a state religion

>>32770204
Still no wall, and it looks as unlikely as ever.

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I won't be satisfied until all gun control is ruled unconstitutional.

No mandatory 4473
No background checks
Nothing

>>32770477
Stop thinking niggers are compatible with liberty loving society you fucking reddit cuck

They aren't and their crime rates alone are evidence of that. Stop being a pathetic PC piece of shit.

>>32763224
>trump will be a rotting corpse on the golden throne

>>32770562
I don't give a shit about your nigger problem in your shithole crime festering mongol shitbox cuntry, but I understand civil liberties and crying because people spend their time doing something you don't like even when it has no bearing on your life in the fucking slightest, like smoking a joint or shooting a gun, then you can just fuck off and die shitcunt
How many of your nigger pests are locked up on minor drug charges? No in fact, how many prisoners do you have for drug related charges?

>>32770589
I'm not the original guy crying about libertarianism I am a national liberal and believe in freedom to an excessive degree.

Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that niggers are pretty much totally incapable of living in a society that respects liberty. They're stupid and criminal. Not that I think drugs should be criminal.

> suppressors protected under the 2a

Wut

>>32770598
Oh, well sorry in that case
I stand by my point, I swear there's always talks about how your prisons are full, I bet there's so many prisoners that didn't do shit to anyone but themselves
I'm not saying to let everyone run wild, or to have anarchy, I'm probably more open to a bigger government and some socialist values than most here, but for me civil liberties and the right for a man to make his own choice is what really matters, they shouldn't be punished for something that they enjoy only because some rich asshole doesn't like it, while being allowed to do other things that potentially harmful yourself or others just cause

>>32770627
You're never going to have both. It's naive to think that a government given the vast amounts of power necessary to implement socialist economic or social policy will not overstep in other areas. It has never been that way.

>>32770638
Yep, that's why I go for whatever I best think ensures my liberties, it's the one out of all my own policies that I value most
I realise my own political outlook ever being represented is a pipe dream, maybe one day in some land on earth there will be a politician that represents my ideas wholly, where my taxes aid the country how I actually want them to, where everyone is capable of being an individual, but are happy to work together in unison
It's a sad feel knowing my dreams of a utopia will never happen

>>32770659
Oh go cry to philophisers about it.

An utopia will be fucking boring anyway.

>>32770663
>Perfection is boring
Literally what? I feel pretty bored being a shitty gear in a machine that has my life choices dictated to me by some assholes

>>32770674
Uh, I have a good life, spending all days playing vidya and shit.

It's pretty fucking boring.

A world without conflict, bloodshed is boring.

>>32770659
>>32770659
Doubtful. And even if they did represent your values one politician, even if he's in control, is not the entire government and cannot rule forever.

>>32770676
Your life sounds far from perfect anon
War being interesting doesnt make perfection boring
Flaws don't just make everything interesting all of a sudden, they mostly make them shitty and depressing

>>32770692
It's the best we are gonna get for a democracy.

Bar dictatorship, you are not gonna get one guy who can fix the entire country.

>>32770704
That's why you don't try and set up large federal systems to push some pipedream ideal because it only ever results in loss of liberty.

>>32770709
Look, buddy, if you are in a big country, you are going to have a big federal system.

If you respect liberty, request for secession.

>>32770717
>What are states

>>32770733
Smaller entity controlled by said federation.

>>32770698
Perfect for you isn't perfect for everyone so there's that

>>32770739
Given control and autonomy so that the federal entity does more constitutional assurance and mandatory areas instead of micromanaging bloated socialistic redistribution plans etc.

States should be given more autonomy outside of violating rights, not less.

>>32770698
Uh, what do you consider the perfect life then?

Because I have it pretty good.

>War being interesting doesnt make perfection boring
Does your perfection include wars?
>Flaws don't just make everything interesting all of a sudden, they mostly make them shitty and depressing
Flaws make everything more interesting by default since it spices things up.

>>32770752
In the end, state will still be controlled by federal and is subjected to its rulings.

If you want to be free, there's no choice but secession.

>>32770758
I don't think you understand the concept of states.

You are subject to the federal government ideally only for certain matters. Like rights for instance. If a state is violating the citizens right to bear arms, that is what the federal government ensures.

>>32770743
True, sat around playing videogames till you're bored doesn't sound very perfect to me though

>>32770765
I understand it perfectly well, but you want an ideal, that's not going to happen.

Both the state and the federation want control, if you want either reach to be smaller, take one out of the equation.

>>32770767
It's more or less that I have super free time and can do whatever I want.

What is your perfection then?

>>32770779
Not really even now states have some amount of autonomy it should just be increased.

Hardly a utopian ideal, if the size of the federal entity is kept in check their ability to infringe is severely lessened anyway.

>>32770756
>My car's engine is shitting out, I'm so glad it's not perfect because it's interesting
Yes, flaws don't always make stuff interesting, and interesting things aren't always good, being beheaded by a cartel is interesting
Likewise perfection doesn't have to make things stale and boring
I'm not saying there should be 0 challenge in life, just that in my 'perfect' system we'd be without bullshit corrupt politicians, moronic taxation and fraud, and widespread crime and violence
If you'd rather have it otherwise out of choice because you find it more interesting, then I dunno what to say, why haven't you moved to Syria yet?

>>32770798
Guess I care more about things being interesting than things being good.
>I'm not saying there should be 0 challenge in life, just that in my 'perfect' system we'd be without bullshit corrupt politicians, moronic taxation and fraud, and widespread crime and violence
And yes, that would be a boring society.
>If you'd rather have it otherwise out of choice because you find it more interesting, then I dunno what to say, why haven't you moved to Syria yet?
Because I would like to stay in my country though?

>>32762979
he narrowed down his SCOTUS justices down to 3 names.
Which of the 3 is most progun?

>>32770797
How do you suppose to decrease the size of the federal entity? Voting?

>>32770807
Oh okay, join ISIS and turn your country into more of a shithole then, it's clearly the thrill you seek
I get what you mean about the looming threat of death being removed from when walking through bad neighbourhoods must be so dull

>>32762675
>marxist
>anti-gun

you are mistaken. Don't be fucking stupid. marxist thought =/= liberal elites

>>32770812
Ideally.

>>32770819
OK, brah, there's a reason the world looks to those places.
>>32770833
That's not going to change anyway.

Voting is just playing with the system.

>>32770826
If you are talking about that overused phrase from Marx, Marx is only pro-gun for the workers.

He does not say anything about the bourgeois or lumpenproles.

>>32770853
Because they're shitholes filled with violent animals that constantly mention how much they hate you/us/everyone?

>>32770861
No, because they have conflicts, challenges, adversities, and these stories sell.

>>32760740
Who says this isn't the secret plan to cause Feinjew a massive stroke

>>32761792
i still have moderate libertarian views, but I support the republican party

>>32770866
Or it's because they're constantly threatening the ideals the west lives by and doing terror attacks on them, that might have something to do with why this is so popular over all the other groups of people who rape, murder and kill

>>32770896
I didn't know the Syrian rebels attacked the west or the Donbass guys.

>>32763224
ngl got hard

>>32763385
ayyy
massivetwoshits fucking sucks, maura healey should be fucking stabbed

>>32770906
Are you merely pretending to be retarded?

>>32770956
When did these guys stage terror attacks in the West again?

>>32770959
When did ISIS stage terror attacks on the west?
Are you shitting me, seriously?

>>32770984
The syrian rebels and Donbass guys ain't ISIS, m8.

>>32763538
>If the party could have put up a good candidate
and if the queen had balls, she'd be king.

>>32770992
>The Syrian rebels aren't ISIS
Topkek, good one

>>32770992
Pretty sure ISIS consists of a lot of Syrian rebels
Also I haven't heard shit about Ukraine, nor do I hear much about African warlords or the war in Yemen, it's all either ISIS or was the gubberment pushing muh east Aleppo civilians over and over

>>32771006
>>32771105
As much as I dislike the syrian rebels, some of them are indeed not ISIS.

Though, there was a wee bit re-focus on Ukraine when Obama rotated US troops in Poland as his last action to scare Putin.

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>>32760057

Fuck commies and Marxists.

Fuck people of color and fuck Hillary.

>>32771116
Not all Syrian rebels are ISIS, but ever ISIS member in Syria is a Syrian rebel

>>32771123
I would argue that since some ISIS are literally foreigners.

>>32771130
Yeah but they're taking part in the cause of a rebellion in Syria to form their own state, so I'd class them as Syrian rebels, just as I'd class the foreign ISIS fighters in Iraq as Iraqi rebels, their cause is what matters here to me at least

>>32770546
>as unlikely as ever
It's funny because your foreign ass posted this on the day he's going to assign federal funding to its construction and sign the executive order for its construction.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/politics/wall-border-trump.html

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>>32760214
>Holy shit, I went to that.

Was there Saturday with my dad, felt like we stuck out like a sore thumb. Didn't get anything, but window shopping was fun and that SBR AR I saw with the beta mag made me feel good inside.

>>32770676
>A world without conflict, bloodshed is boring
Sounds like the typical 16-27 year old edgy faggot who jerks off to wars because he'll never have to serve in one.

>>32771733
Aye, I would take a war-filled world over an utopia anybody.

>>32760558
Tfw you're a Ct fag

>>32763254
585 here, I fucking know that feel. I love my sks but damn i want some un molested ar15 in my life

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>>32763384

>>32763384
What's funny is that those cities will probably cut programs effectively showing that they care more about illegals than legal citizens.

>>32764445
No, they aren't.

>>32760057
While I am happy and approve of any AWB being challenged in court, I have to honestly temper myself for a few reasons
>The Supreme Court could refuse to hear the case
Lets be honest, the Supreme Court actively avoids 2nd Amendment based cases like the plague.
>If heard the court could make its ruling based on how the AWB was expanded or implemented, not citing the 2nd
While a win for Mass, it would not be a good precedent for the rest of the country
>The Mass ban is extreme
Most of the states with an AWB would then either reduce the severity of the ban or argue since their AWB is not as bad so its not unconstitutional. There are also states that would just not care and require their own court case. This scenario would take years after the ruling to filter down to the rest of the country.

Don't get me wrong, barring a worst case scenario (the court rules that it is not in violation of the 2nd), this at least stops Attorney Generals from enacting laws at their own whim. Most likely will set a very strong precedent against AWBs.

>>32763254
Or standard barrels

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>>32760057
>>32760175
I want to believe
>>32760228
>at the moment
I admire your positivity, but our state's been for a long time.
Ever since the North Hollywood shootout in '97, the no-guns here...well mostly LA but you know how that goes, have been emboldened. There was some legislation beforehand, but afterwards they had the support they needed to begin their rise into power.
And don't forget, Brown is Governor for two more years before his term limit ends his reign. Sadly Gavin Newsom is the dems biggest candidate at the moment, and the biggest republican candidate is a former mayor of San Diego. I guess it helps he's SoCal trash but, I don't like our chances.
I think it's best we abandon ship, comrade, this state is too far gone to save unless at least a couple million of proguns move here, which probably isn't going to happen.
I'd like to hold out hope for what OP and the first responder said but our state gov won't go down without a fight, so unless Trump gets a second term, god willing, even his efforts may fail to help us.

>>32772081
They declined to hear Shew vs Malloy

>>32760214
>>32760214
Hey I'm in the area, but didn't go to the gun show. How was it?

>>32772371
Even when/if Trump's pick to fill the vacant seat on the Supreme Court is confirmed, I think they still won't see any cases involving the 2nd go through. Rumors were that Scalia was the one pushing for most of the 2nd based cases. Maybe if another Justice retires or kicks the bucket.

I do think this Mass case has a shot at being heard if part of the argument is the origin of the ban. That may sway one or more justice.

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>>32760057
Been working with the MN GOCRA for years working on legislation to get suppressors deregulated. It was a godsend to see SilencerCo and other major industry staples band together with the NRA to really push the notion forward. Seeing Trump's son get behind it was totally unprecedented. It was a bigger boon to victory than we ever could have hoped for. It is all but a sure thing now.
Get ready to buy your over the counter $200 cans. We're shooting quiet from now on, boys.

>>32761607
Johnson is a shitlib pussy, and if you support him you're not an American. Go move to Canada and get your dick chopped off, Sally.
This is Freedomtown now.

>>32770659
>It's a sad feel knowing my dreams of a utopia will never happen

Utopian ideals are incompatible with reality because it assumes a single compatible identity between all people in which "peace" means the same for all involved. You could potentially have a small utopia for one society that is cut off from the rest of the world, but achieving it for the entire world would be impossible without the complete destruction of national identities and culture, which likely wouldn't be possible even within the next 20 lifetimes.

We either need some Dems on our side or a SCOTUS ruling to make these things happen, because even if every Republican votes in favor of these bills, they don't have a filibuster-proof supermajority. The Dems only gutted the filibuster for federal and judicial appointments.

All it would take is one filibuster and the HPA and national carry reciprocity are dead.

Three things need to happen:
>Full Scalia's seat with pro-2A judge
>Ginsburg to die/retire and get her seat filled likewise
>Republicans to increase their numbers to supermajority levels in the midterms
The first on is a given. The second one is possible, even probable, but not guaranteed. The third is tricky because the upcoming electoral map and the nature of the midterms favor the GOP heavily, but them making gains to the degree of dual supermajorities is unlikely. If Trump and the GOP can do enough shit and get popular enough before then it's possible, but still not a certainty.

Our best bet is continuous legal action and taking cases to SCOTUS.

>>32772354
NHS was a false flag wasnt it?

>Filmed from multiple angles
>suspects fired hundreds of rounds at nothing
>noone killed but the 2 shooters
>0% chance of success or escape from the start

>>32772658
>Ginsburg to die/retire and get her seat filled likewise
Ginsburg is on record as saying she will die before retiring from the Supreme Court. She is already past the average retirement age of the Supreme Court (she is actually the oldest member currently sitting at 83).

We also don't need it to be Ginsburg, just any of the left leaning justices. I also wouldn't count on a left leaning justice to retire while Trump is in the whitehouse.

The most likely Justices to retire or pass away are either Anthony Kennedy (80, who was appointed by Reagan and admits to having Libertarian views) and Stephen Breyer (78, appointed by Clinton and has liberal views).

>>32770627
>I bet there's so many prisoners that didn't do shit to anyone but themselves
Funny, after we locked up all the niggers who were lol just pot heads dude the crime rates plummeted.

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>>32760397
>female pro gun justice

>>32772807
It seemed more likely she'd die first, but I didn't know she's gone on record about it. Kennedy is alright I guess, I'd rather have Breyer go.

>>32772958
What kind of crime rates? Of course if you lock up the people doing drugs the drug crime rate will drop.

>>32770545
>nation = government
But I thought libertarians knew the difference.

>>32773007
Wood berry

>>32760339
It is true to some extent, they always put U.S. manufacturers first. You'll never see the NRA try and fight an import ban on military surplus

>>32773602
It used to be true. The NRA of 30 years ago is nothing like the NRA of today. They're pro "modern sporting rifles" pro suppressor, pro CCW. They are no longer an organization primarily consisting of hunting fudds.

The organization used to be subject to a lot of rightful criticism, and the problem elements were voted out over time.

>>32760244
Checked and keked.
Do it for real though.