Whats the best literal pocket pistol? I'm looking for something

>>32757476
It's in your pic, OP

>>32757490
I'm just curious if there are any others. This is the only one I know of thats bigger than a 25 ACP. Also, does anyone own the Tomcat?

Seecamp LWS 380

Lcp.

I'm. Skinny. Fits in every pocket without printing worse than a cell phone.

Shits reliable too. Had it for years and recommend it to everyone because it's never given me trouble.

>>32757567
Not too fond of the LCP. Looks like a toy to be honest. Cant stand glocks either

>>32757594
A bit big for a pocket pistol though eh?

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>>32757594
Don't you think that's a little big to qualify as a pocket pistol?

>>32757628
top shelf kek

>>32757595
I've carried an LCP in a pocket holster for 2 years now.
Never had any type of malfunction whatsoever
I was surprised at how accurate it is, shoots just as well as much bigger guns

IMO, there's no reason to carry a .380 bigger than an LCP, if you're gonna carry a bigger gun it might as well be in a bigger caliber and/or larger capacity

>>32757656
not monster, but yeah I wear cargoes and a snapback all the time

>>32757656
Who doesn't?

Anyone have experience with the Beretta Tomcat?

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I pocket carry my p238 in everything from shorts to jeans to slacks

>>32757806
Is it more of a pain in the ass to clean/deal with than a fixed barrel?

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>>32757520
Did someone say pocket pistols?

>>32757847
Nice! Is that the .22? or .25?

>>32757819
Not really. Cleaning and takedown is pretty quick and easy.

I previously carried a kahr k9 iwb and a SW bodyguard 380 in the pocket. This is the best trigger on a pocket gun IMO

>>32757860
>>32757860
.25 auto masterrace on both

Best $200 spent

>>32757867
Is that a good defensive round?!

>>32757476
Beretta pico. You won't get any smaller in a semi auto that's actually meant for use on people. It's also what I carry. Pretty damn immune to limp wrsits, rated for +p. Eats what I feed it.

Also, real sights.

>>32757933
The best defensive round is the one you can carry. If you truly need the smallest possible gun, then yeah.

>>32757954
Why not use the .32? Isnt it a bigger round?

>>32757933
I would never carry the jennings because its a piece of shit that jams if you touch the slide. The beretta is actually pretty nice.

Hornady makes XTP rounds for the 25acp so those would probably kill someone. I frequently carry the beretta in a pocket as a spare gun/backup gun, loaded with FMJs and spare mag

>>32757520
I inherited both the .32 and .25 versions from my grandmother. I can't help but feel like an old lady when I carry one.

>>32757954
There's literally no reason to carry .25 with the .380 guns on the market now.

My pico is smaller than my cell phone, and I have a cheap (and small) android. If you need smaller than that, stop being a stripper and get a job where you wear clothes.

>>32758042
Its just...the Pico is so ugly...

The Tomcat looks like a full sized baretta, just real small.

>>32758061
They really need to scale a tomcat up a little and chamber it in .380. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

>>32758042
>>32758061
The pico is also a steaming pile of shit, that's really not that small.

OP get a ruger lcp. They're the cheapest and smallest in their class without having to compromise with a smaller caliber than. 380, the trigger isn't that great on the first gen, but the lcp pro a d lcp2 have gotten better. The pico's trigger is worse despite being like twice as expensive as a first gen lcp

>>32757967
>Hornady makes XTP rounds for the 25acp so those would probably kill someone

I find myself doubting that a .25 would actually manage any expansion. Round that small, FMJ is where it's at.

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>>32757476
>>32757567

I also carry a first generation LCP if I'm wearing light clothing. Never had any malfunctions at all. The gun itself is fairly accurate for such a short barrel and the trigger never bothered me since I'm used to long trigger pulls.

Other times I will carry a S&W Airweight but it is noticeably heavier and bigger than the LCP. Other than weight and size I like the S&W more and am a better shot with it. I'd still consider it a pocket pistol but may be borderline for some people.

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>>32757476
Shield.

>>32758125
>steaming pile of shit
You trade a worse trigger for better sights.
"
>not thatsmall
That's just objectively false.
Pico
>Height 4"
>OAL 5.1"
>OAW 0.725"
LCP
>height 3.80"
>OAL 5.16"
>OAW 0.82"

It's thinner with less width than the LCP for a .2" height increase. Width is the killer when trying to conceal most pistols.

Compared to a gen 1 lcp, it's a better gun. Full stop. Shoots great, better sights, and locks back.

The gen 2 has no second strike capability./ The pico does. The Gen 2 has shit sights. The pico does not. The heavy trigger is not a bad thing in a pocket gun.

Calling the Pico shit and praising the LCP 2 good is retarded. It is worse in some areas, better in others, and debatable in most.


If you're talking about the original LCP, you're just retarded.

>>32758294
>Second strike capability


This is so overplayed. If I have a ftf during a gunfight I'm not going to spend precious time pulling the trigger again in a long da pull to hope the round goes off I'm going to quickly rack the slide and get a fresh round in

>>32758313
>long pull
DAO on the pico, anon. Pull doesn't change.

>i'm going to quickly rack the slide and get a fresh round in
Not unless you're training extensively to perform failure drills, and deal with stress well.
If you've never actually thought you were about to be killed, you don't actually know how you'll react.

There's also the simple reality that if you're using a pocket gun, you may not have the spare hand to do that.

I don't give a shit about second strike on larger guns. I'll have a free hand. Pocket guns are for retardedly close range, and the odds of being in the middle of a fistfight when you need it is too high for me to take one with no second strike.

>>32757527
I heard .32 is the way to go with seecamps, something about .380 eating through springs at an ungodly rate, like a new recoil spring every 250 rounds, and i guess recoil is a fair bit worse.

Im probably going to get a seecamp as my next carry gun, not sure which model yet. Ive only got a cz75 and carrying it without a jacket is just a massive lain in the ass i dont want to most days. Figure a small gun that easy to throw into a pocket will get carried more than a pain in the ass

>>32758382
>DAO

So it's always a long pull that's what I'm saying

And no I don't know how I'd react but I think there'd be just as much of a chance of me racking a new round as pulling the trigger after nothing happened.

>>32758398

This is what ended up happening to me.

Went from carrying a Glock, to a revolver, to a small pocket 380

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Does anyone have the Kimber RCP?

>>32758885
>Kimber

>>32758890
No good? I've never owned a gun, just looking for the best pocket carry

>>32757476
ruger LCP

>>32757476
idk if a Bersa Thunder will fit in a coat pocket. In Denizen jeans it doesn't really fit.

>>32758890
I thought kimber stopped being shit a while back.


>>32758670
Yeah man, all the old guys keep telling my a .25 in your pocket is better than a .45 at home.


Id higly recommend trying out an lcp before someone goes out and buys it. The two i tried i kept hitting the magazine release on accident and jamming the gun. 100% user error but it hasnt happened with any other subcompact ive shot.

New Taurus spectrum. 380acp.just came out at 2017 shot show.249.00.

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>>32758943
And it's very appropriately named. It certainly looks like it was designed by someone on a spectrum.

>>32758943
>Taurus
>As much as an lcp

lmao

>>32758399
its not a "long" pull in terms of time . . . as long as you've trained with it and have actual fingers (have trained with it) its a SHITLOAD faster than racking a slide

and i'm using p2000v3 trigger as a reference . . . that shit is loooong

but after a couple range sessions working on DA trigger until finger fatigue . . . voila, steady fast DA trigger pulls.

I carry a p-32.
> inb4 keltec is garbage

>>32758975
kek

>>32757527
>>32758398
I carry the .32 Seecamp. very easy to point and shoot and follow up shots are easy as well.

>>32761087
Glad to hear it. Most guys who carry them seem happy with it.

Whats the ammo market like for .32? I cant imagine its very popular/diverse

>>32761126
the ammo is a little tough with regards to the seecamp, as it is designed around specific ammo.

Per there site: Winchester Silvertip 60gr. HP, Federal Premium Hydra Shok 65gr. JHP, Speer Gold Dot 60gr. GDHP or PMC Bronze 60gr. JHP.

I picked up a couple of boxes of Hornady 60gr XTP(16.99per) which people have reported on the seecamps forums as working as well. My first two magazines I had two failures to fire and two not fully going back into battery. After that I have put 3 more boxes through without a failure of any kind

>>32761177
failures to eject not fire(stove pipe).

my bad

>>32757476
I have a tomcat.
It has a bad rap for cracking I've never had this problem and almost only run HD rounds through it at the range.

It's damn dead on for a mouse gun too. It's cute , easy to conceal. I don't really like having just 32 but out jogging etc it's still like half size weight of my Walther CCP.

>>32757527
>>32758398

Seecamps are not good guns. You've be better off with an LCP/TCP/P380/P32. Source: I've owned two Seecamps.

>>32761965
What didnt you like about them?
Ive heard they updated the lcp but the original one i shot i wasnt a fan of. Magazine release was in the wrong spot ond my finger kept getting bit between the frame and the trigger

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>>32757656
she has a literal perfect ass

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>>32759699
If it gets the job done it can't be that bad.

For those of you that do, how practical is pocket carry? How fast can you actually reach and get that little bastard out in an emergency?

>>32759699
I edc a p3at.

>>32762513
>What didnt you like about them?

-Overpriced.

-The slight size savings isn't worth the weight and thickness gain compared to a poly pocket gun. My P32 feels like a much, much smaller pistol.

-Ammo pickiness and no official support for FMJ. In a .32 you want penetration.

-Overall craftsmanship is bad. I had an earlier Larry gun that was OK-but-kinda-rough and a later Larry gun that was total Khyber Pass garbage. New Southwick guns have looked awful from the photos I've seen.

-Blowback design in a small gun means super heavy recoil spring. Blowback also means non-replaceable barrel. Which normally you wouldn't think about but one of my guns looked like a sewer pipe from the factory.

-Stupid takedown process. Stupid mag safety.

-Seacamp forum fanboys are goddamn retards.

I mean, I don't HATE it. I'd carry one if I had no other options and it wasn't $400+. I like the second-strike capability and I like the overall look. It is a clever design. But it's a clever design from a time period when you needed to sacrifice too much to make a gun that small.

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P32. Bitch is 7 ounces. Forget hallow points, you can get away w HP in a 380 w XTP rounds but not in a short barrel 32. They won't penetrate enough, ever.

I carry mine w the hottest Euro loads I can find.

>>32764514
Oh yeah, one other thing. I tried to get replacement parts from the new factory. While it was cool to talk to one of the owners on the phone, it took weeks to get them and some were defectively made. Then he stopped returning my calls when I tried to get my shit unfucked.

Taurus of all companies send me a part in the mail in about three days.

>>32759699
I own a PF9. I've had TWO assembly pins breaks in the same point, a year apart, using only factory ammo. Shit materials. I'd sell the thing, but that it would be like selling someone a car with an engine that you know will fail in 500 miles.

>>32764640
Standard .32 fmj penetrates to near fbi maximum consistently. Why bother getting any hotter? Barriers?

>>32765193
Because you need all the help you can get w 32 in case you hit bone, skull shots, etc.

Plus Euro loads are usually better quality all around in 32 I find. There's really no reason not to.

>>32757806

Good gun but not a pocket pistol if you wear clothing that fits. About the size and weight of a J-frame.

>>32765309

.32 was a military/police caliber in Europe forever while in the US became "that round antique Colt autos use" for many years.

>>32757628

>guy on the right

reminds me of an anime rocketship girl.

>>32757476
Glock 26

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Walther TPH, .22lr
not really the most effective defensive pistol, but I like it, and it's disturbingly accurate for a mousegun.

>>32757476
P3AT/LCP

>>32765457
>12 ounces unloaded
>For a 22 lr
>Pocket gun

Get out

>>32765382
That still doesn't detract at all from what I said.

>>32757476
>>32757527
I have a tomcat and a seecamp .32. The seecamp makes the tomcat feel like a beretta 92. It is just so sleek and small, yet with a reassuring weight to it. I love the seecamp, but the tomcat is neat.

>>32757594
>>32757656
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>>32765714
>That still doesn't detract at all from what I said.

I was supporting what you said. Europoors take .32 seriously. I was happy I got a pile of Fiocchi ammo when I bought my 1st-pattern P32 used last year.

>>32763622
Depends entirely on the gun and the pants you're wearing, as well as the size of your hands.

Kel Tec P32 with pocket clip on the waistband. All the features you need with no bs, plus no holster necessary, not even a belt.

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Seecamp master race.

>>32763622
Says who you actually have to get it out?

Throw it in a deep coat pocket.

"Oh God I'm being robbed! S-sure, let me get my wallet out!"

Reach in, point, magdump.

>>32757476
The Thunder is on the large side but it fits in my coat pocket easily. The problem is finding a holster that adequately fills that space out so you don't worry about it shifting. It will also be awkward in the bottom pockets if you keep it unfastened.

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>>32757476
Just a neat chart I found when looking at seecamps.

I've heard good and bad things about them... They seem okay for defense guns, except for the magazine safety shit...

>>32765382
Even in Europe they thought 32 was a poor combat round, that's when they decided to only adopt 9mm pistols. In the US police carried 32 in revolvers into the 60s, usually if they were self-armed. I still have my grandfather's service revolver.
My friend was selling diamonback db9's, which are tiny 9mm with pocket clips. That would fit anywhere. The SW Bodyguard is also tiny but still shootable. The laser is stupid though. Airweight revolvers also work better for some people.

>sarcastic answer - taurus curve

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Speaking of small guns, does anyone here know anything about the RM380? Its Remington so its probably shit, but its a cool Rohrbaugh thing I think?

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>>32769510
They don't seem too popular, but at $350+ there's def better options in small 380s.

Hell, I bought my Mustang for $480 new & its considered one of the best 380s you can get. So is the p238 & G42.

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>>32761177
The cavitator .32ACP looks promising as a max expansion round. The S&B rounds run hotter than normal ones in a Tomcat 3032.