Do you guys think the ATI 9mm Mp 40 will be worth it? >made

handled one at a gun show today, buttery smooth and real attention getter, although most of the bearded tacticool fags wanted the tavors next to it

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>>32746022
>semi auto

no, fuck that shit. I'd rather just get a $200 non firing replica if I wanted to be a faggot.

What's the deal here.

Buy it as a pistol then buy the stock later?

Pls tell me barrel is threaded

>>32746022
for only $600?

>>32746022

I'll buy it for fun, yeah. Especially with the prospect of SBRs coming off of the NFA.

Then if the MG registry is re-opened and they release conversion kits for them? Fuck yeah.

Saw one at SHOT 2015. Is it an exact MP40? Nope.
Don't cost what an MP40 does either.
Long as it works, I'd be good with it.
Would love to use this to make an MP41 copy if I could find a wooden stock. May have to make one.

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>>32746022
>Die cast molded metal shells
>bolted together with exposed fasteners
>rotating bolt
>almost 0 compatibility with original
>basically their 9mm blank gun modded to fire live rnds

It's a shit box annon. 0/10 would not bang

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>vomit intensifies

>>32746022
Open bolt to closed bolt conversions never have problem, and ATI has a record of quality products and good customer service. Also, Taurus is pretty good.

>>32746120
I didnt realize you had access to ANY original parts.
Protip: you dont. Neither do most people. So get your head out of your ass

I mean, I know its not going to look the exact same, I just want to know if its worth anything as an actual firearm.

They said at shot that 90 of them have been pushed out already so hopefully there will be a review soon

650 sounds good and I just want a breath of fresh fucking air from the 1000000 AR variants coming out this month.

>>32746173
>Buying a slightly improved airshit clamshell that pretends to be a MP40

and you call me a retard

>tfw im a califag and will never get any "new" handguns
>sadface.jpeg

>>32746022
>Semi auto, closed bolt reproduction of a full-auto, open bolt SMG

It's going to be shit to shoot and does very little to actually mimic the originals. Basically seems like an over priced airsoft gun, same as the .22LR versions you could get right now.

>>32746232
Why can't they just release an open bolt gun

Is it actually a legal thing or is it more of a covering their ass thing?

>>32746232
>.22lr versions
Protip, it's the same body moldings and plastic internals for the 9mm... only they swapped out the barrel for the higher pressures of 9mm. Which is why they went with rotating bolt... because the lock up needs to be in the new barrel extension or else the thing will fall apart

>>32746228
you can if some jew cop scalps them.

>>32746252
too easily convertible to full auto says the ATF

>>32746252
Open bolt is a no no b/c of ATF. You can easily convert to FA so they are not allowed. Most open to semi conversions use a striker, and a separate firing pin, some also use a hammer like the PPS43,

Another reason for this gun to have the closed rotating bolt is here >>32746258

video released by ATI of some shootan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKMjcrjRh0

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>>32746282
For $650? Fuck yeah I'll buy one. I shot an original full auto MP40 at my gun range, it was pretty amazing.

I wish these were still easy to find without ordering off the internet.

>>32746332
Btwn the two, get the PPS43, it's better than this knockoff in every way possible, for almost the same price

>TFW I got mine back in 2011 for $300.00

>>32746419
roger that, i'm jealous of your deal

>>32746153
>all those fasteners
useless for reenacting, just like HMG's abortion of a Sturmgewehr
no interest

>>32746022
Literally made of Hi Point metal

Zamak 5

>>32746678
What's wrong with the StG, other than the mags?

>>32746022
>.22lr

WHAT THE FUCK

FUCKING WHY

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHAT THE FUCK IT'S FUCKING USELESS

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>>32746022
That charging handle so far back from the magwell breaks my heart. It's my one gripe but it really makes me not want it. And this is my all time favorite gun, I have been waiting years for this

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>daily reminder "that made in germany" used to be to brand inferior ironworks and distinguish them from made in the UK
>daily reminder that germany worked hard to make "made in germany" a sigil of good craftsmanship
>daily reminder that ATI makes potmetal nazibooguns that lack most real features of the originals because theyre potmetal shit 22 copies anyway
>daily reminder that if they make one in 9mm its still not open bolt with pneumatic buffer
>daily reminder that without constant recoil the mp40 is literally worse than any other 9mm semi currently on the market unless youre a naziboo
>daily reminder that ATI is working hard to destroy "made in germany"

fuck them

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>>32747168
Pretty much everything? The stamping isn't even close

>>32747255
O shit you're right, that stamping is awful

>>32747368
They made a big concession in the design with the change to HK trigger packs.

>>32746022
>ATI
>Anything caliber other than 22lr
I hope you don't like your fingers

>>32746173
APEX has original MP40 parts.

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>>32746153
> that safety
every time

>>32746022
>all those fasteners

Who's making it? Kel tec ?

>>32746022

>Made in Germany

I don't buy anything from Muslim enablers.

>>32746419
>you can still get them for under $400

>Trump gets elected
>bunch of Nazi guns start hitting the market

Guys this is scary. Trump is making America like a Nazis.

>>32749180
Hopefully he switches us to more A E S T H S T I C uniforms now, good looking uniforms are rare since Nazis were so good at fashion.

>>32747205
HEY ITS ALMOST LIKE YOU PAID NO ATTENTION AND THEYRE MAKING IT IN 9MM NOW

>>32748188
No they don't. I check on the regular

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Not in a million years would I pay 650 for that half plastic pile of excrement. Those are Chinese screws holding that plastic replica of a godlike gun together. Are you guys retarded?
>It's literally an mp40 toy that actually shoots

so like 600 for the gun and another 150 for the stock? ya im down.

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>>32746051
Fucking jews I swear...

>>32749180
What's wrong with Nazis?

>>32746022
I'd buy one but
>jew york

>>32748776

Where? I've been looking for one. I sold my old one.

Everything on gunbroker is around $500+

>>32750408
State control of the means to production invariably results in serfdom and misery for the common man.

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>>32750470

Yes, Vlad we get it you lub gommunism.

>>32750483
Wat?

>>32750470
Nazis have corporations and private companies, fucksticks.

Or do everyone forget Mauser and Rheinmetal now?

>>32750490
You are describing communism instead of naziism.

>>32750496
Sure, the companies were nominally private but the government had such far-reaching control that they were effectively all state owned and operated.

>>32750510
From an economic standpoint they are identical ideologies.

>>32750531
That's pretty fucking wrong because these companies are definitely not state-control, they just pay taxes to the government.

>From an economic standpoint they are identical ideologies.
Unlike the commies, the nazis aren't against private properties.

>Germany gets fairly accurate reproductions of Mp-40s and Stg-44s
>America gets shitty repros of both that are functionally and aesthetically different to the point where they only resemble the originals from 50m away

Life is not fair

>>32750550
Except the government determined what goods were to be produced, how much of each, how and where they were to be distributed and for what price they were to be sold.

Heck, your own (I assume) example of Rheinmetall was taken over by the party in 1935. It's not even an example of nominative private ownership.

>Unlike the commies, the nazis aren't against private properties.

Strictly speaking the Soviets didn't oppose private property either just ownership of the means to production. Of course in reality both regimes heavily controlled what products would be available for their villeins and when.

>>32750640
>Except the government determined what goods were to be produced, how much of each, how and where they were to be distributed and for what price they were to be sold.
Except that's wrong, the nazis were not into central planning and price control, just heavily taxed.
>Heck, your own (I assume) example of Rheinmetall was taken over by the party in 1935. It's not even an example of nominative private ownership.
Except Rheinmetal was not completely took over, so it was half-public, half-private.

>Strictly speaking the Soviets didn't oppose private property either just ownership of the means to production
Strictly speaking, communism is against private property.

>>32750707
Price and wage controls were introduced in 1936, Rheinmetall was majority state-owned and Soviet-style communism did not explicitly oppose private property.

>>32747244
good
fuck you nazi faggots and fuck your precious relics that you cling onto.

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>>32750791

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>>32750802

>>32750807
>This edgy memelord thinks I'm a Nazi

>>32750622
Germans are willing to pay for quality, Americans want the cheapest product possible.

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>>32750807

>all these people shittalking a $600 9mm carbine with nice aesthetics

no, It's not a pure mp40, but your 16" barrel civilian ar isn't an m4 either. for what it is, I'd have fun with it.

>>32750807

Is there a still shot of this with all the text shown?

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>>32750462
>One anon says 400
>One anon says 500 on GB
>Check GB
>600, 700, 1200
Typical. Just like those magical elusive 'still 150' nuggets.

>>32750937
AR-15's actually shoot well and are good, utilitarian guns, despite being relatively gimped compared to military ones.

This has no utilitarian value, nor does it have any of the historical value a product like it should have.

It's just a sub-par 9mm carbine molded into the vague shape of a historical weapon

>>32750998
9mm is relatively cheap and common, that's utility enough for the price point imo

I don't know, I agree that there are some flaws that just really aren't ok, but at the same time I can see it being a nice range toy

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>>32750973

>>32750937
What? The only difference is a 1.5" extra barrel length and on less hole on the reciever.
Dipshit

>>32751080
all I'm saying is you wehraboos and neckbeards are ducking autistic for giving this much of a fuck over something you won't even buy because MUH GERMAN ENGINEERING

like holy shit, I get if you have gripes but why care how others spend their money? if anything, I'd think people that didn't like it would encourage people to buy it just so they could say "I told you so" later

just my 2 cents, but every time this, the hmg stg44 and the plg show up it seems to bring out all the autistic fucks

>>32751188
For $650 you could have a much better PCC or a cheap kit AR and have more fun and more fingers.

>>32750854
also has to do with import laws

>>32751275
I agree, I highly doubt I'd buy it at it's current price point with the flaws it has when I could get a decent handgun for that

>>32750622
>Germany gets fairly accurate reproductions of Mp-40s and Stg-44s
say what?
Being a German, this tickles my everything.

>>32751283
our export laws are fun as well

>>32747255
Part of that comes from the cost, these are only $2000 compared to 5-10,000, that and they wanted to make them more apealable to everyone instead of just those looking for a replica. It would have been awesome if they would have done a spot on replica, but at the same time the originals had issues that this is supposed to 'fix'. Those sacrifices really changed the gun. The HK trigger packs are way better than the over engineered abortions that the originals had tho.

>>32750510
He's describing both

>>32750980
600-700€ here. But no one can buy them. Such is life in Germanistan

>>32751275
>PCC
>dichloromethane
pick both

>>32751577
if it's not a replica, then what's the point?
it nowhere near as good as a modern rifle design, nor is it as cheap, nor will it have the aftermarket

reenactors can't use it because it looks like shit
practical users wont use it because it costs more and is inferior to modern designs

so that leaves people who want a toy that is sorta shaped like an StG
I don't even really mind the internal changes, but they didn't put much care into the external appearance at all

plus, the interchangeable calibers is a HUGE mistake
7.92 Kurz isn't that expensive or hard to find
if they'd taken the effort they put into redesigning the gun to use bullshit calibers into making it look right, they might have been able to produce a decent looking gun at the same price point

as it stands, this gun is an $1800 toy for people who don't actually care about history

>>32751709
>more apealable to everyone instead of just those looking for a replica

race to the bottom, lowest common denominator bullshit
your average normie gun owner will "want" this gun, but wont actually buy it

>interchangeable calibers
huge mistake
there is only one reasons people want interchangeable calibers and compatibility with AR mags
they are already invested in X caliber with mags and stockpiles of ammo because they already have a rifle they're quite happy with
if they already have a rifle they're quite happy with, it's presumable a practical rifle
if they already have a practical rifle, then they must be interested in an HMG StG for historical reasons, except it doesn't look like a real StG

if it's not practical or historical, then what is it?

>>32751759
Idk to me it's neat, and if it turns out to be decently reliable and accurate, I may just go full autist and use it for hunting.

>>32751774
>neat
for $1800 for a gimmick, I'd hope for a lot more than "neat"

dont buy this shit. if you want quality, buy from Sportsystem Dittrich. http://www.ssd-weapon.com/waffen-historisch.html

>>32751800
not available in the US
pretty sure none of their designs meet import "sporting use" specs

>>32751811
okay Oo no problem to purchase here in germany with a sporting license.

>>32746053

Sure looks like it

But consider this is a pistol with a legal Vertical Foregrip, in terms of accuracy you're most of the way there to having a stock already. Its pretty far out there unlike modern rifle egonometry so its got the functional advantage.

>>32751069
thanks

>>32746051
Wake me when you can get literally anything else. Enjoy taking out a mortgage for WWII trash.

>>32750807
Do you also have the italian and japanese versions?

>tfw I am smack in the target audience for these 75% accurate repros
You dunces need to see if any competitive pistol shooting groups in your area have carbine shoots. That's all I use carbines/rifles for and I can get away with using anything for it. Stabbed a target with a bayonet once.

If it doesn't have a penchant for exploding I'll look at throwing a spare $600 at it after I get an M10X.

>>32751834
Are you completely unaware of how even our AKs come in? They have to be shipped over quite literally less than half finished.

>>32750095
>implying I'm not okay with that

>>32752191
Exactly what I want, really. A toy that fires. Looks roughly like a real one. Doesn't cost $40,000.

>>32751759
Reenactors don't care about history either, they just want an excuse to cosplay real soldiers. It'll sell fine because it's a fun toy to pretend you are what you are not and never, ever, ever will be.

Everyone but me should buy one.