Why does the military spend so much on non-military-essential

Forced labor isn't really America's thing, you know. Besides, it's a huge liability relying upon civilians for food and medical service, especially if you're doing it with local civvies (if there are even trained doctors and enough farmers to feed an army in some of the more fucked-up parts of the Middle East now).

Also, that's just begging for some allahuakbar to quietly slip poison into his patties, or for a doctor to let some poor schmuck with a few 7.62 rounds through his stomach to pass away "despite all that he could do".

>>32745484
>so why doesn't the military just force civilians to do those jobs for them

Because volunteer does not mean conscription.

>>32745484
becuase it costs less to have a guy they pay 30k anually to deploy and make food, than it would to get a civilian contractor.

have you ever heard of a doctor wanting to go to Afghanistan?

or a cook?

or a lawyer?

typically those people arnt in the military because they are trying to avoid fighting.

>>32745484
Because if war breaks out, someones got to cook

>>32745484

WE SHOULD LEFT THE JOB OF DEFENDING CHRISTIAN AMERICA ONLY TO WHITE GOD-FEARING CHRISTIAN AMERICAN. AND PUT THOSE NON-AMERICAN WHITE, DIRTY GOOKS, LATINO, IMMIGRANT BACK TO MENIAL TASK AS OUR LORD AND AMERICAN SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST DICTATED.

GOD AND JESUS SAVES AMERICA.

>>32745484
yeah, and why do we build millitary bases? we should just force civillians to provide shelter for our troops
oh wait

Army Cook here (not American). Our defence force tried that, they removed catering completely from the army, then panicked because we had to deploy to a foreign country and no Civvie was going to go. Was a complete fuckup and the retards are trying to do it again.

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>>32745484
>talking shit about cooks
Also I'm pretty sure there's something in the Constitution or similar that says the military can't force civilians to feed/house them, but hey I could just be talking outta my ass

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>>32745484
>Has Special Forces Unit Crest
>literally flipping burgers

Same shit with POG ass faggots wearing Special Forces patches for their combat patch.

They seriously need to fix this shit.

>>32746034

Probably that was opposite day or something?

This thread is fucking dumb.

>>32746034
What? He IS in the Unit. There is a reason you wear the insignia of the unit you are in. Notice his beret is not green? This means he is part of that unit as the cook and not an 18 series. Green berets need guys to cook for them too

>>32745484
>so why doesn't the military just force civilians

blow it out your ass

>>32746104
but why is he jump qualified if he's a cook

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>>32745484

>>32745524
forced labor isn't an American thing?!

We fought a war over the idea of forced labor.

>>32746794
We fought a war over property rights not the fact they were forced to work.

>>32745484

If by force you mean pay private contractors we already do to a large extent. If you've ever been to a "chow hall" it's mostly civilians serving food with a few military as cooks.

>>32745649
OIF 06-07 here, and I love cooks.

You dicks do not get enough love, but living cop life w/o cooks, and then with them made me appreciate you guys in a whole new light.

This is about the most sincere thing I've said on /k/

>>32746156
Because he went to airborne school? I know fucking females in ADA units who went.

>>32745484
>cooks
You mean niggers and flips?
Literally no reason to be in supply dept or work mess otherwise

>>32746981
i thought only SF qualified infantry went to airborne

>>32746794
And the people with the less American ideal lost, imagine that.

Saying "We" fought that war is implying both of us are Confederate sympathizers, which I am not.

Though I don't think the flag should be censored, if your state wants to fly it, so be it.

>>32747012
wait what

the union fought in the war too, so saying 'we' just implies you're an amerifat

>>32745649
Australian?

>>32747002
Are you high m8?

>>32745484
The Germans tried this.
It did not work out well for them.

>>32745484
>non-military-essential

Do you always ramble on like you know what you're talking about when you have no clue?

>>32745484

army dental is fucked, they need more dentists honestly

cooks are cooks, always need cooks. lawyers know UCMJ. Also, civilians are mostly not disciplined to take on the military workload. Literally, shit is like non-stop pogfare in these fucking places, and most civilians who fill these roles are like old as shit and don't give a fuck about all that noise.

we dont need S1 clerks however, they're p fucking useless dogshit, you'd have better odds winning the fucking lottery than getting your shit processed before you ETS

>>32745603
>>32745991

THE QUARTERING ACT!

The 3rd Amendment prohibits the military from directly making reckless use of civilian resources precisely because the Quartering Act was bullshit and allowed for people being forced, essentially, to pay a "tax" of an indefinite amount of their resources, targeting people unequally.

OP is retarded and literally unconstitutional.

>>32746833
>not the fact they were forced to work

southern history class I guess

>>32746034
>Hurrr I'm a retard that don't know shit about military because I'm a civilian operatehurrrrr

>>32746156
>but why is he jump qualified if he's a cook

It was very likely a requirement of the slot he's in.

>>32747002
>i thought only SF qualified infantry went to airborne

Confirmed for retarded teenager. Please don't try to talk authoritatively about a topic you demonstrably know less than dick about. I bet you post advice on the MEG thread too.

>>32746794
>what is conscription

Yeah dude why would people ever need to cook food Lmao it comes in packages like the twinkies and mountain dew we all live off

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>>32745484
because a volunteer army won't die for you if they don't get medical, dental, or good food.

You cannot convince volunteers to die for you on an empty stomach. It's also a damn sight more positive for morale to have another volunteer at risker serving you than a civvie.

Don't ask why but it's comforting to know the guy cooking you tomato bisque, cajun chicken and jalapeno poppers can pick up a rifle and get stuck in with the rest of you if shit hits the fan.

>>32746034
Despite the contrary belief SOF guys need to eat too. Not sure about america but in my country we do have support company if I'm translating that correctly. Basically it needs to be done for unit to not depend on anyone else but themselves just in case.

>>32747777
Lol I chuckled.

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>>32747002
Wow you're dense

>>32746034

You are right. That shit pissed me the off the most when I was in. When you start talking to them it takes forever for them to admit they are support. They know what they are doing and should be shamed for it.

>>32746104

No he isn't he is "attached" to said units.

>>32746156
CAUSE HE FLIPPIN THEM BURGERS AIRBORNE HEH HEH HEH

Doctors and chefs are absolutely essential.

In practice, anything that gets handled by civilian contractors ends up being worse by some margin.

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>>32749050
It should be obvious if they're not tabbed.

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>>32749058
No, he's in 7th Group, he just falls into the Group Support Company most likely, but he's not 'attached', it's organic to the Group.

You can be a cook in the 75th Ranger Regiment too, and not 'attached'.

>>32749159
>>32749050, me
You are correct and I pointed that out in my verbal engagements.
The point I was attempting to make is that they will larp as SF until you corner them. It doesn't really matter to me now that I am no longer in. However catching them on leave as they sit in a bar in uniform pissed me the fuck off even more so than "stolen valor" types they can at least be prosecuted.

It is the easy questions that stump them. I'm a highspeed jumpmaster super friend but idk what a 5in-yellow safety lanyard is.

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>>32749204

oh god a butthurt pog posting mtoe

>>32746034
Being support in Group is literally the best place to be support. Group Support guys get treated VERY well. A buddy of mine was a cook in 7th Group and loved life. A lot of those guys reeinlist to stay in those units because they don't want to go back to a crappy life in a line unit.

>>32745484
some military guy said wars are won by the kitchen and other guys not by infantry

what he meant was if shit hits the fan and there is no more infantry left the kitchen staff and other guys will fight and win the war same shit happened in black hawk down apparently

>>32745484
cause hes still a Soldier, he just happens to be a Cook, you know incase people want to eat if a war ever happens

>>32746156
because he's in an airborne unit that requires it and actually has funding to send people to school. I and a few guys in my first unit got bumped from our Air Assault slots when I was a stinger crewman because a bunch of pac clerks supposedly needed the slots more than we did. What were the chances of me roping in with a Stinger somewhere? Close to zero but still higher than pretty much every admin person ever, but they got priority because of the units they were in.

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>>32745484
>colon

>>32745484
>military could just force local restaurants or whatever to provide food, and force local doctors/hospitals to provide medical care.

You should really try reading the bill of rights some time you autist

>>32745556
>trying to avoid fighting.
Trying to make money*

>>32745484
Cooks are needed because Military can't entrust their most necessary supply on civilian high school students that don't even wash their hands before cutting meat. If a Military cook gets someone sick, they could get a court martial. A civi cook gets military personnel sick, they get a slap on the wrist or just fired from their first job.


Lawyer I'm not quite sure but I think its because the Military has a entirely different set of laws.

Dentists I'm not quite sure too. Civilian dentists can do the same job as long as their office is nearby. It's not really an emergency type occupation either since appointments are always being made.

>>32749722
wait seriously

do military cooks get court martialed if someone gets randomly sick from their food

>>32750033

Yes because they are fucking cooks. They should know how to make food safe.

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>>32745484
You must be Canadian.

i discovered to the wonders of veal thanks to the cookfags on the MPF ships, hats off to them

>>32750033

lol no no they don't it isnt their fault is how they play it the soldier eating the food should have had a better stomach

>>32746156
Because someone needs to cook the burgers behind enemy lines DUH!

>>32750318
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger with the exception of landmines and women with BPD.
Advaned cybernetic limbs should take care of the former.

What you don't understand is that by employing them and making them a member of the military, you are ensuing that they must follow orders.
You may need dentists, cooks, lawyers, and doctors anywhere. Even, say, near the frontlines.
Civilian contractors can always just pack up and fuck off.
Military personnel can't pack up and fuck off without consequence.

>>32749270
You do end up with some oddities because of that. My father was a cook on a Destroyer Escort in the late 1960's and they were instructed in the event of boarding action to find and destroy the enemy vessels mess hall if possible. Seems like an oddly specific goal but the idea of folks with shotguns and hand grenades on a mission to blow up ovens is kind of hilarious.

>>32749243
This. This I deal with all the time.
I live in Nashville, an hour away from ft. Campbell, and these Fucks always purport themselves to be some high speed low drag operator.
Uhhuh.
Yea.
So at what height do you pull your cord for your chute on a static line jump?

Every. Fucking. Time.

>>32750564
Also note, we have 5th special forces group at ft. Campbell.

Not only that, but if you can't move your cooks to the latest FOB because they're afraid of being shot at or MANPAD'd or something on the way, your FOB doesn't get food and morale steadily declines as they chew through every last MRE, grumbling all the while as they shit bricks. If your cooks are ready to roll, then if for some reason you need to move them from base to base, they may not be your best shots and they may still be spooked if they actually get shot at, but they know it's not the end of the world and they know how to behave in e.g. requesting backup, returning fire, so on. Or using a parachute and regrouping, depending on the specifics.

Y'know, military training.

The military ultimately wants to get in the face of anyone who has a problem with them, and in order to do that, the second line types have to be not that far behind.

>>32750549
Allright men. Once you have located the enemy mess hall you are instructed to sabotage critical cooking equipment by any means necessary. Examples of culinary mischief are:
Switch the labels on sugar and salt containers.
Poke tiny holes in cans of beer or soda to make them go flat.
Reverse the polarity of the stove ventilation and smear stinky perishables in the filters.
Change the dates on the oven en microwave displays.
Squeeze the fruit to make it bruised and unappealing.
Neatly set the tables but use super glue on the plates and cutlery.

>>32750033
I wish they would. Ate at a BFSB chow hall on Ft Lewis once and the food was fucking literally rotten. One of our SNCOS tore the cooks a new asshole over it.

>>32750458
which is why you just force them to do their jobs and dont let them go anywhere

the entire point of military power is that the military can force civilians to do things

>>32751956
That's not how that works at all. Might doesn't actually make right you Rip It chugging Hooah factory.

>>32751212
>>32751212

Looks like a great idea!

>>32746156
During large campaigns involving the manuvere of whole divisions it's important to be able to feed your dudes. Ration packs all the time are not healthy and it's good for moral to have decent food now and again. A chef who can parachute in with everyone else could be enable a moral boost that is more valuable than whatever it costs to train said cook to parachute.

It's been a long time since anyone has carried out warfare like that though.

>>32746156

B/c airborne units want every motherfucker to be at least five jump chumps. Ditto w/ dope on the rope units (air assault units). Why? Morale- I suppose... and you never can tell when a field kitchens have to rigged to come out the ass end out of a C-17 or C-130 and the fuckers who have to put that shit together and use it

Why the fuck has nobody posted imthecook.webm yet

>>32745484
>force local businesses to provide services
How many restaurants are you gonna find in a warzone or in the middle of the Atlantic?
Will any of these restaurants have the capacity to serve a brigade or the crew of a carrier?

>>32749646
oh hell no.
private sector is where the money is. government pay for soldiers is crap.

>>32745484
OP confirmed for very young or retarded. "Force"? Yeah, let's just enslave randoms you stupid motherfucker.

Contract Third Country Nationals often make food, but that comes at a cost. During Desert Storm some Paki shit used non-potable water in the Koolaid and got much of Al Dhafra a violent case of the shits. Chocolate chip camo sort of conceals turbosharts. I saw Airmen race to the latrine then suddenly stop, sigh, and slowly walk the rest of the way since the gastric battle was lost. (I only drank bottled water and Coca-Cola so I was safe.)

Later in Southern Watch TCN kitchen staff at KKMC were using sponges and hiding them despite orders not to do so. More shitting ensued.

Contractors are so expensive it would make more sense to deploy lean, end luxury FOBs (and the MANY dead and wounded G.I.s and contractors hit on MSRs sustaining them), and use G.I.s exclusively for support in theater. We used to do that but business has its finger in the pie since Viet Nam when LBJs buddies Brown and Root were building bases.

>>32745484
because when you are invading a country, the local cooks and doctors want to kill you

The colonies being forced to house and feed British soldiers was cited as one of the reasons for the revolution, because it was abused like how OP is suggesting.

>>32752942
>you Rip It chugging Hooah factory.

I laughed harder than I should have. I'm tempted to walk over to the dollar store and see if they restocked Rip Its just for that nostalgic taste.

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>>32745484
>Why does the military spend so much on non-military-essential personnel like cooks or lawyers or doctors/dentists?
>Amendment III
>No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

In fact we've moved away from enlisted/commissioned support personnel and towards contractors because it's cheaper (no veteran's benefits) and it doesn't count towards the headcounts on personnel the services are authorized.

>>32753602
i thought they stopped making those

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>>32749079
kek

>>32750413

This guy gets it.

>>32745484
because 10% of the time the military is there to serve and protect the country

the other 90% of the time its vocational training for people that would otherwise be in jail.

>>32747016
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>>32746944
Cheers senpai. I started as a grunt but got injured and had to transfer over to cooks, and I'd honestly say in some ways it's much fucking harder. Out bush we pull 16-18 hour days whether it's pause ex or not. Those 2k people plus aren't gonna feed themselves.

Also, you haven't been fucked over by a yes man officer until you've been in catering. We know the true definition of being fucked on out field. But at least I can take a carton of red bulls out and keep them cold

>>32745484
this guy get's it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTtpQ2jF8s

We had civilian bus drivers in Qatar, and even though the country is extremely safe, they pay them $80,000 a year to do it. My last time there they finally realized the waste and just made random E-2 do it.

>>32753165
It does filter out some shitheads and welfare queens though, not all, but the worst of them.

>>32745484
The military does on most stateside or comfy large bases. Because civilians aren't really willing or needed at the smaller fobs where all you get is a field kitchen and danger is more likely.