/akg/ AK General

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>>32737477
we gsg now

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>>32737477

>>32737585
wat

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>>32737520

They're not worth $140 m8

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>>32737477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGodIpGJfwE

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>>32737593
I know, im getting a better deal on it. I need that push button tho.

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>>32737592

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>>32737633

Mine has the lever. I think one of the best things about them is how fast you can fold/extend the stock.

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>>32737679
Mine will be here this week so hopefully i will know the joy soon.
>need a leather sling and muzzle nut.

>>32737536
>sbr draco
These things do funny things to me

>>32737477
I'm thinking about refinishing my WASR
what color should I make it?

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>>32738095
refinishing the steel?
black paint over park

wood?
anything but disgusting "russian red"

Glad I caught this thread early. I've been wanting to get into the AK game. WASRs seem to be suggested a lot for babbys first AK. What's the difference between a WASR 10 and a WASR 10/63? What is a good price to pay for one? What are some other AKs I should look at that are similarly priced?

>>32737841
I want one bad as well. They look great with a vz stock. Should have grabbed a folder and sat on it. They went from $30 to $75 in the last few months.

>>32738144
I need sunglasses to look at that stock.
Please don't do this.

>>32738144
the steel looks good so I'm just doing the wood

I want do do a dark brown/rust type color but I still haven't made my decision yet. I just don't like the way the WASR looks stock. It looks like a play toy

>>32738178
Maybe consider getting some surplus Romanian wood instead? Would be cheap and a better quality base to refinish.

>>32738178

Is the stock laminated? The new WASR wood looks like shit and no finish will improve it.

>>32738144
>refinishing the steel?
>black paint over park

This. Rust-Oleum nonreflective matte black BBQ grill paint. Just bake it in an oven afterwards to harden the paint. At least 400 degrees, at least one hour.

>>32738190
that's a possibility too.
Do the Romanian stocks come with the little cleaning kit hole?
My WASR stock came without one and it was a little disappointment

>>32738195
I think it is. There is something on it. Looks like wood with either a clear finish on it or lamination

>>32738178
> I just don't like the way the WASR looks stock. It looks like a play toy

IT's actually decent quality furniture. The problem is
A- It's hardwood
B- That color is absolute ass, unless they have a Yugo AK owners want their wood furniture to be red-orange.
C- It comes with this varnish that prevents any sort of refinishing, and it's a fucking cunt to get off
D- Said hardwood's grain is tighter than a nun's cunt, so even if you get the varnish off to restain, you have to soak it for like two weeks, and even then that yellow makes anything you choose look off

>>32738195
>The new WASR wood looks like shit and no finish will improve it.

It's not a flaw, it's an opportunity. Rattlecan the shitty wood in camouflage colors. It won't be any uglier afterwards.

Rustoleum satin "dark taupe" spray paint is a very close match for "flat dark earth," though it dries to a semi-glossy finish. After it dries a few days hit it with 8-10 coats (yes, really) of the "matte clearcoat" stuff they sell, which will also dry to a semi-glossy finish that you can scuff with a green nylon scouring pad to get an actual nonreflective matte finish.

>>32738169
I think the difference is the newer 10 is made with new parts, where as the 10/63 had demill or surplus parts. My opinion for starting ak options are :
$650-675 Wasr
$700-750 vepr sporter( you will spend extra for a bullet guide. Required for standard mags)
$850 slr 107-11

Any of those options are solid. Not bashing DDI or psa, the longer we watch the more data we have. I have my own DDI horror story ( was sent back 3 times in one years time) but that is far better then arsenals. Although I've heard they are getting better

>>32738231
Yeah, surplus will have the cleaning kit trapdoor. There's at least one guy selling Romanian furniture on akfiles right now.

>>32738236
I can't disagree. That shiny yellow varnish over pale, almost white, blond European birch might be okay for a kitchen table but I can't tolerate it on a firearm.

They should have stuck with the laminate, maybe with some kind of matte nonreflective oil finish, tung oil or boiled linseed oil, to put a waterproof or at least water-resistant coating on it that will be nonreflective and maybe darken it a shade or two. That in my opinion would be an improvement.

Of course, while we're wishing, it'd be kinda nice if the Romanians would put an AKM style lower handguard on them--it's a preference of mine, though it isn't huge for me.

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>>32738144
>anything but disgusting "russian red"
It's funny because that designation doesn't even really exist, but that doesn't stop plebs from making shit as seen there that's neon-red under a quarter inch thick layer of clear lacquer.
>>32738190
Do this, surplus Gypsyshit furniture is a breeze to refinish and it takes to brown/red/orange stains very well.
>>32738231
>Do the Romanian stocks come with the little cleaning kit hole?
Yes.

>>32738281
Yeah, I busted my ass trying to refinish the stuff that came with my WASR but in the end I should have just coughed up the money for a complete surplus set. In no way was the end-result worth all the time and work I put into it, complete waste of both.

>>32738277
>>32738282

>Yeah, surplus will have the cleaning kit trapdoor.
ok I guess I'll do that
just gotta save up a bit

thanks, that will save me a bunch of time

This AK a Yugo, or a Yugo-not (this okay, or WASR-10 all the way?)
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ak47-yugo-zastava-n-pap-fixed-wood-stock-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>32738169
>What's the difference between a WASR 10 and a WASR 10/63?
A bit of an irrelevant question these days since the (current) WASR-10 has been the only available model for the past few years. The 10/63 has since been discontinued. It started out with the prior WASR-10 in the early 2000s, and it was an iffy hodge-podge of rejected PM md. 63 componets and surplus. Quality varied wildly, and it quickly started a decade-long meme that still hasn't fully left the WASR name. Then came the 10/63 in 2007, which was a WASR made with surplus components with buffed up QC. These were widely considered to be solidly-built tanks that were perfect for beginners and budget-oriented users, and were insanely customizable. A half dozen years later, the new WASR-10 comes out, which is what we have today, and that's made with new components and put together just as solidly as the previous 10/63. You will not find the older 10 and the 10/63 outside of the secondary market these days.

>>32738333
Go for the WASR instead.

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>>32738333

I'd take the WASR.

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>>32738365
>Had an opportunity to get an M72 for $450 back in the day when they were a thing
>Passed it up
Almost regret it as much as passing on a $500 PSL. Oh well.

>>32738333
Yugos has had some signs of qc issues regarding their receivers. It's not known if it was a fluke batch or corner cutting.

>>32738395
Those are some colossal screwups. I'd feel bad too.

https://youtu.be/c_r0voFJ2vY

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>>32737520
You like that optic? I've had a PA microdot on my AK for a while now (all of 3 months) and I'm looking at maybe getting something nicer and moving the PA to my FAL.

>>32738513
These use billet bolt, carrier, and front trunnion, right? Hopefully they perform well.

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>>32738395

Live and learn, I missed the Dracos when they first came in, bought two of the recent imports.

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>>32738395
>>32738571

Also got a PSL and an AES-10B when they were cheap.

>>32738513
>AK Excellency Center

Kek

Good luck Palmetto.

>>32738523
Absolutely love my aimpoint. Its been rock solid and still havent changed the batteries. Extremely easy to zero on different rifles. Would buy another if i did not keep buying slav shit.

>>32738358
This is all wrong. WASRs are all cugir built rifles imported as rifles and only the magwells are milled out stateside. They are not built from surplus parts by century

But then again I pretty much expect you to talk out your ass by now

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>>32738884

He never stated they were built by Century you fuckwit. All the info in his post is correct.

>>32738917
I mean except it's not. Century just keeps changing the name to outrun the shitheap reputation it's had until the recent influx of poorfags buying them and saying "Well mine's not shit so WASRs are good now!"

>>32738943
Except it is.
>poorfag
Ad hominem = no argument.

Post your AK.

>>32739017
What would it accomplish at the end of the day? You'll find some fault with it or just flat out deny it's mine, lol

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>>32739031

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>>32738884
>They are not built from surplus parts by century
It's funny because you're an illiterate retard and I never claimed that. It's even funnier considering back when I gave a shit about AKs I bullied people more than a few times for saying WASRs weren't import rifles.

how do you get the ribber thing off the bayonet scabbard?
I got a surplus one and I want to clean it up. I got the leather belt thing off but the rubber part is giving me some trouble

>>32739031
Nogunz detected.

Point at him, boys. Point at him and laugh.

>>32739050
I think I'm starting to understand why you have the shitty attitude you do

>>32738943
Century has the shitheap reputation they do for the guns they build, not for the guns they import.

But thanks for playing.

>>32739138
I'm gonna go ahead and guess you didn't see the picture I failed to attach in the first post and then immediately responded to and posted?

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>>32739158
Because he's a cranky old fuck that can't maintain neutral relations on a children's message board?

>>32739193
Oh, no, I'm pointing and laughing at all of your failures. No worries. :D

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>>32739158
Stay here for 9 years surrounded by barely-functioning mongoloids and try to not come to the conclusion that bullying and snark is the only thing this place deserves, especially post-Sandy.
>>32739258
Having buttpads on AKs and stock sleeves on Mosins automatically makes you not a person.

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>>32739031
>>32739039
Just wanted to see what kind of AK you have.
>Arsenal
People in glass houses, m8.

Most WASR owners know the reputation and are happy if it's straight but realize not all will be, while when Arsenal's QC drops like a rock people like you still vehemently defend their brand because, as you put it, "Well mine's not shit so Arsenal's are good now!"

MSDs assessment of how WASRs designation has changed and why, is correct.
Just because you don't like the guy and he's a filthy goatposter, doesn't make his info false.

>Try taking a pic in a room with light next time.
Nice rifle though.

>>32739300
So did the machine that was cutting the barrels out of alignment when the barrel was reamed?

I've been getting conflicting information about what the best AK47 manufacturer is. The most common answer is converted Saigas. What's your opinion?

>>32739299
>Having buttpads on AKs
Over and over and overrrrrr. How dare my arms be longer than yours. If only Hillary had been elected, I could have been equalized with my fellow man and have normal-length arms like everyone else.

>Bitching about a stock sleeve
Atleast I use my rifle, unlike you.

>>32739300
Every gun ever will have lemons that make it out, you'll very rarely see the same QC mistakes from run to run from arsenal. Meanwhile the WASR has had the same problems since day 1 but instead of people suggesting to get something else most people will tell someone to just find a WASR that doesn't have these issues. How this is okay but extremely limited QC issues on a much better rifle are seen as total rifle-breakers when it's stated in the warranty that arsenal will fix anything that affects the function of the rifle.

And I wanted to get low light and use my flash in that picture to bring out the plum mag, it wasn't showing up in regular lighting

>>32739349
I didn't even mention the Mechanix gloves and the fact you use Magpul AK furniture. :^

>>32739299
But is /k/ better than Glock Talk, or The High Road and other ancient gun boards?

>>32739337
Depends on where you want to stop, honestly. There are small total-autism ak builders that make amazing rifles but the price and lead time is pretty prohibitive for most but the most discerning among us. Most people will agree that arsenal is pretty damn good, despite some QC issues. But honestly if you don't inspect your rifle before accepting it you're pretty dumb IMO.

>>32739382
Thanks, man.

Where would you recommend to go if I wanted to spend less than 1k?

Are you supposed to sharpen the romanian bayonets?
It looks like it has an edge that needs sharpening but then again it's a bayonet and all it's supposed to do is poke holes and not cut

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>>32739352
>Meanwhile the WASR has had the same problems since day 1
Oh shit son, WASRs today are still known for trigger-slap, FSBs canted so much that the gas port was compromised, and magwells that were a quarter inch too wide on either side? Golly, sure am glad you're here to educate all us plebs who got to see that shit first-hand and its virtual elimination with your facts, otherwise I'd have to accuse you of pulling outdated information out of your puckering asshole or something.

>>32739361
>Mechanix gloves
Not even my "range gloves". Those I use for yard work. Maybe you remember what yard work is like?

>>32739361
>Magpul AK furniture.
Find me a donkey dick HG and I might buy it

>>32739393
If you want to spend less than $1k, they JUST released an $850 "AKM clone", but it has a 90 degree gas block. If that bothers you, you MIGHT be able to find an SLR series for under a grand used. If not I'd look for a gen2 PSAK

>>32739402
>trigger-slap

I think all AKs are known for that.

IF not, this is the only thing I don't like about my rifle.

>>32739379
The only places I know of that are worse than /k/ are Barfcom, M4carbine.net, and AKfiles. Cannot comment on THR, but GlockTalk sounds like it would be every bit as shitty as M4C.net.

>>32739402
>WASRs don't have canted gas blocks and sights anymore
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>32739418
Thanks a ton, man, great info. I'll look into them.

>>32738513
thats a big guy.

>>32739418
What's the details on the "AKM clone," if you don't mind?

>>32739420
One of the selling points of the G2 when it was introduced was the elimination of trigger slap

You can definitely have an AK without trigger slap

>>32739379
I can't speak for glock talk but THR has some pretty decent gun reviews/range reports but most of the userbase is pure cancer. Some of the gun forums are just absolute trash and people will be rude to you for no reason and not even help you. I've yet to find a forum outside of here that at least gives honest reviews of what they bought, and the ones that are defending their purchase are plainly obvious

>>32739402
>FSBs
GBs*, but let's also not forget how prevalent the FSB issues were.
>>32739420
>I think all AKs are known for that.
No, the issue was common enough with the older WASR-10s because of the shitty FCG quality overall and their haphazard installation.
>>32739437
You really are an illiterate nigger.

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>Arsenal has one reported rifle with a bore that isn't concentric

>suddenly this applies for literally every Arsenal ever and Arsenal is now worse than IO

>>32739476
I wonder if there are forums that are full of old fudds that will try and tell you a bolt-action or full-sized catridge rifle is better than a AR-15.

>>32739477
>This rifle doesn't have these problems anymore
>But it does still
And you call me illiterate

>>32739481
It's pretty hilarious IMO. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't just own a beat up WASR that accepts that bore as the status quo too

>>32739470
>You can definitely have an AK without trigger slap

My G2 slapped, but not as bad as this fucking ALG thing I put in.

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>>32739481
>WASRs have been known to be perfectly fine rifles for a decade now, but because of the issues they had 15 years ago they're still shit with every other one having canted sights and fucked up magwells

>>32739441
No problem man, I like making sure people are happy with what they get. Nothing more sad than seeing someone coming on here with buyers remorse.

>>32739469
What do you want to know? I could point you towards KVAR's website if you want the specs, they're the only place they're for sale afaik

>>32739502
I'm not saying WASRs are bad. I'm just saying one rifle doesn't speak for every since rifle a manufacture has put out. I know WASRs are good for the money.

>>32739492
>And you call me illiterate
Because you are you fucking impoverished kike.

>>32739481
>Most expensive semi-auto AK's on the market
>One problem pisses everyone off

GEE I wonder fucking why.

>>32739512
I'm the one that posted both of those.

I'll look it up on KVAR in that case, thank you. I definitely needed that direction, haha.

>>32739430
To be fair, ARFCOM at least has decent technical forums, but yeah, ARFCOM "General Discussion" is basically a gun-themed /b/.

And there are much, much worse places. Ever been to Warriortalk.com? Seriously. It's a real place. It's Gabe Suarez's forum. Yes. THAT Gabe Suarez. Laugh track goes here.

If Usenet were still a thing I'd recommend rec.guns, which was in the 90s, up until the early 2000s, a very well moderated, well run forum, with lots of knowledgeable people and good advice.

>>32739502
Turns out people with money and options are pretty skeptical of a company known for putting out pure shit! Also
>WASRs don't still have problems with canted sights
Granted this is a common problem among AKs but not usually one that makes it out of the factory in such numbers as from Cugir

>>32739525
>Most expensive
Not even, dude. There are much more expensive rifles on the market

>>32739517
> I'm just saying one rifle doesn't speak for every since rifle a manufacture has put out.
Then why are you lecturing people pointing out that not all Arsenals are perfect and not to the sperglord saying every WASR has the same issues they had since the day they were introduced?

>>32739543
I'm not going to say that canted shit is gone for good, but if I recall correctly Cugir has gotten better in the last ten years.


>>32739552
>More expensive than Arsenal
Link it right fucking now.

>>32739531
The guys on arfcom were trying to defend the report pointing out all the problems with the A2 modification as army bias against the marine corp

>>32739525
>>Most expensive semi-auto AK's on the market

Pretty sure IWI holds that crown at the moment. Unless we include shit like Rifle Dynamics, Krebs, etc.

>>32739352
>Meanwhile the WASR has had the same problems since day 1
This is objectively false and has been for a longass time

>>32739563
I'm not going to go through the entire internet looking for specific instances but several saiga models are over $1.5k now, along with several, if not most VEPR rifles. Also a lot of good kit builds approach the $2k. It's okay to not know shit dude, but to be ignorant and abrasive is pretty dumb

>>32739556
>why are you not fighting my slapfights for me!

Wasrs and Arsenals are G2G unless you're a Nick-tier retard.

>>32739556
Sperglord here, I have a WASR and it's fine. But I'm not going to pretend it could have very easily been a piece of shit with canted sights if I'd gotten a rifle one number up or down in it's serial range

>>32739594
Then maybe try and not arbitrarily defend one side and attack the other despite both being guilty and then present yourself as some neutral observer.

>>32739612
Show me on the doll where the Arsenal touched you.

>>32739606
>it could have very easily been a piece of shit with canted sights if I'd gotten a rifle one number up or down in it's serial range

But it couldn't have, unless you're posting through a time wormhole from 2006

>>32739623
What part of
>both being guilty
didn't register, dumbass?

>>32739624
Hahahahaha okay. Tell that to the rifle I refused at the counter

>>32739641
We can help you get over your Arsenalphobia. Just show me on the doll where the Arsenal touched you.

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>>32739352
>Meanwhile the WASR has had the same problems since day 1
And what would that be?
>Canted sights?
Arsenal has this issue regularly, and you can find it going back quite a few years.
All Arsenalfags cry is "Can you zero it? Then it's fine", while at the same time decrying a WASR with the same issue.
>Improperly cut magwell?
Hasn't been an issue for WASRs for about a decade.

>How this is okay but extremely limited QC issues on a much moe expensive rifle are seen as total rifle-breakers.
At their price point, there should be zero issues, because if you aren't paying for quality then what are you getting for that premium besides a sidefolder trunnion?
>when it's stated in the warranty that arsenal will fix anything that affects the function of the rifle
So will Century, strangely enough.

You're identifying too much with a brand and not being able to be subjective.
For the record, I don't own a WASR or Arsenal, although I wouldn't have a problem with either.

>I wanted to get low light and use my flash in that picture to bring out the plum mag, it wasn't showing up in regular lighting
Ah, well it looks your flash didn't even fire.

Again, it's a nice rifle and I'm glad yours is perfect but don't think Arsenal is the end all be all because they have plenty of issues of their own.

We got off the original topic though.
MSD is right and you're uninformed.

>Arsenalfags ruin another thread after throwing a shitfit over the company being shown to not have a perfect record of quality
Ugh

>>32739672
I only see WASRniggers throwing a fit, Nick.

https://discord.gg/AVwEc
Come get in the /akg/ DiscWord

>>32739672
>The argument I started got out of hand so I'll blame the other person

>>32739674
Then you need new glasses.

Every fucking thread.

Arsenal fanbois: HURR DURR ONLY POORFAGS BUY A WASR, DEY HAVE CANTED SIGHTS AND SHITTY FINISH

Everyone else: Arsenal rifles cost twice as much and STILL have canted sights and a shitty finish.

Arsenal fanbois: MODS MODS THESE WASRFAGS ARE THROWING A SHITFIT MODS MODS HOW DARE U

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>>32739665

>>32739698
Not him, but this all started when >>32738884 here had a stroke trying to read a very simple post and thought the tripfag said Century made the WASR

>>32739704
You still need to show me where the Arsenal touched you.

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>>32739704
You're imagining things, you have an inferiority complex or something

>>32738205
BBQ black paint is wonderful. I've sprayed rusty motorcycle headers with it after knocking the loose shit off and it lasts for years.

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>>32739682
There aint anyone in here.

>>32739724
That's a different argument than what's being discussed now and has nothing to do with the guy who posts the same dumbass picture of a rifle that actually functions and shoots fine just to start shit. Nice try shifting the blame though

>>32739763
But you started the argument by immediately launching into an ignorant tirade about how awful WASRs are, at >>32738943
. You're showing an awful lot of cognitive dissonance with your remarks about the flawed Arsenal working just fine, when you were lambasting the WASR for having issues that still didn't prevent it from working fine. I think you just like to stir shit up. Sad.

Which one? Differences?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/93403/cia_ri1826n_gp_wasr_762x39_rifle_lam

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/77440/cia_ri1805-n_gp_wasr-10_hi-cap_30+1_762x39mm_1625

>>32739795
Wrong. The argument about arsenals started HERE >>32739300

>>32739812
>https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/77440/cia_ri1805-n_gp_wasr-10_hi-cap_30+1_762x39mm_1625
>>>
> Anonymous 01/22/17(Sun)15:56:12 No.32739812 ▶
>>>32739795 (You)
>Wrong. The argument about arsenals started HERE >>32739300
So you can dish out arguments, but you really don't handle counter-arguments well at all. Every single point in his post is valid. Arsenal also has issues, you completely failed to understand the tripfag's post for whatever reason, and you're pretty awful at taking pictures. I'm sorry.

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>>32739739
This may as well be the default picture for /akg/ from no on.

>>32739838
Wow not really sure what happened there..eh.

>>32739838
You're pretty fucking dumb. Literally all I said was that the arsenal argument was not started by me and somehow you're reading way too much into that.

>>32739858
>You're pretty fucking dumb.
I'd be careful with those kind of accusations considering how you read the tripfag's post and thought he said Century made the rifles. Pot, kettle etc. etc.

>>32739874
>Everyone who argues against me is the same person
Try again

>>32739665
WASR owner here
absolutely no problems with mine
it was zeroed out of the box too which is an extra plus

>>32739352
>this entire post

Where can i find a side folding wire stock for my wasr?

>>32740029
Ask DWG, he just bought one iirc

>>32739709
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

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$255 for this kobra ekp-1s-01, comes with all original accessories including box and manual

>>32740094
I will go spider monkey on you

>>32740118
Are you offering it for sale? Or are you saying how much you bought it for?

>>32740162
For sale
[email protected]

>>32740190
If it was the weaver mount version I'd be all over it, good luck with sale

>>32740216
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owy9XXidwSQ

First video I've seen on FIME's new folding stock VEPR. Apparently these are also shipping with Arsenal's "new and improved" FCG.

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So /akg/, it's gookwifeguy from AZ here and I just bought my first parts kit, pic related. I plan on having azex build it. I don't want to wait/do stamp for sbr so I plan on just pinning the long cucked out amd muzzle brake on it. I was planning on using recreator blanks' 100% and checking off all of the specific Hungarian markings, folder cutout, etc. Anything I also should be aware of with these?

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>>32740444
Kit building is for fags.

>>32737564
Nice truck, nice guns, cute gf, lives inna Arizona.

Damn am I jelly of you DG

Keep living the dream, brother

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>>32740507
So are cats, now let me get that cat off you.

>>32740516
Fiancé:) but thanks.
>>32740526
Back off my kitty.

>>32740507
>not wanting the intimacy of building your own raifu
The fag is you.

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>>32740897
this desu

>>32740316
that sucker weighs 10lbs. goshgeewillikers

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pictured:

arsenal in its natural environment

>>32741042
People who can afford arsenals don't buy stack-ons :^)

>>32737731
The leather slings are pretty abundant

Anyone has issues getting bayonets through russian customs, I hear its tough.

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>>32741053
>tfw four arsenal rifles in a stack-on
they all get shot on a regular basis though, along with my WASR
In other news, I hear rubber banding a rod to an AR to clear stuck cases is the newest operator fad.

>>32741186
Loving every laugh

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Off center, non concentric, and canted sights are to spec with an AK if it zeroes, always been this way, don't like it your in the wrong system.


MFW the 1988 Izzy we found in Afghanistan had a canted RSB and Izhmash canted the FSB the opposite way so it would zero.


Izhmash is trash

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I'm picking up a wasr on Wednesday, I zeroed my ar because it didn't come with rear sight, but ak does come with both, do I still have to zero it or is it gtg? Pic related wood color

>>32741221

Zero at 25 yards with the sight set on the 1 notch, your done.

>>32741231
>1 notch

3 notch you mean.

>>32741327

Nope, current russian method is to zero at 25m with the 1 notch.

>>32741335

Oops I did mine on 300 setting.

>>32741335
>current russian method
which (if you are correct, which I have no idea if this is true) would be a 5.45 zero method and inapplicable to zeroing a 7.62 WASR

>>32741231
Thanks friend, next questions
I know it's "sacrilege" to mod mosins with crap, but is it wrong to put different countries wood on? I don't want tac rails or any of that shit maybe one day I'll put a folder on, what's best sling leather or poly cotton? What about mags? Stick with surplus? Any to avoid? Golden tiger? Or whatever I can find

Whats you guys' opinions on DDI AKs?

>>32741372
I like mine. Lots of detractors but the support is very good.

>>32741372

garbage.

>>32741348
>mosins

I thought we were talking about AK's in here.

>>32741396
That's good to hear.

>>32741397
What makes you say so? What would you get instead?

>>32741405

They are overpriced at the same level as arsenal, quality control sucks, CEO is a faggot, out of spec receivers where rifles would not cycle, had to sell the company to palmetto state armories parent company because they are so shit.


Buy a wasr or another Imported rifle.

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>>32740897
>Not wanting the big in investment of tools and a hydraulic press just to fuck up a perfectly good kit and sell everything off at a huge loss.

Reality is kits are too expensive to build yourself for fun anymore and all the good kits are gone.

>>32741403
I mention them because I'm familiar with them, "rifle is fine" meme, figured it's similar to aks, just don't know how to make ak my own without being bubba

>>32741348
Putting different countries wood on your WASR? I think this is your question?
Nahh, i see all sorts of things on a WASR, one of the trips here insists on keeping a set of plum furniture on his. As far as mags go, i personally stick with surplus stuff for my SAR-2, you can trust surplus and surplus 7.62 mags are as cheap as they are ever gonna be right now. Id avoid magpul and tapco for mags that you will or would carry innawoods, they are okay range mags. Id go with a surplus russian sling they are GOAT.

>>32741348

It doesnt really matter what you shoot in a mosin because it's going to shoot 8-12" high at 100 yards anyway.

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>>32741571
I mean all my mosins are unmolested, in their original configuration, I don't want mikhail rolling in his grave or haunting me for bubbaing glorious ak

>>32741437
The reality is that the ATF isn't allowing enough of them into the damn country.

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>>32741662
The ATF needs to get fucked, as soon as possible.

>>32741690
It's in the works, hopefully

>>32741662
AKs are too expensive for the U.S. market to be bringing any real quantity of kits in.

To give you an example, on a recent gov contract that included 15000 AKs, the winning quote was $240/unit for very good condition.

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>>32741437
>tfw just bought an FAL kit today
I'm looking forward to building it but it's definitely not a way to really save money.

>>32741662

There are no parts kits, or rifles to demill into parts kits left on the international surplus market =)

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>>32741713
I got an fal myself recently and it was acting gay as fuck, shooting 6 rounds at a time like a select fire rifle. Triggers in those are gay. Luckily my falfiles account was approved recently and I got a Belgian trigger group to replace the gay fse one.

>922r suck a dick

>>32741791
>shooting 6 rounds at a time like a select fire rifle
kek, i had a buddy who had a Savage A17 start doing this. He stuck a RMR on it and plinks around with it, its hilarious.
Press F to pay respects to his doggo

>>32741714
Nah, see >>32741711
They're just all too pricey for our market.

>>32741791
922r is for importers ONLY

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>>32741438
Find some furniture you like.

>>32741893

yep.

>>32741898
Gross but I approve

The 7.62x39 HP ammo I got has such a tiny cavity that it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Is it reliable? Would SP ammo be better?

>>32740855
>Fiancé:) but thanks.

Damn son, that's even better. Congratulations

>>32742149
HP cavities in rifle rounds arent designed to function like handgun HPs. Iirc they are designed to cause tumbling/fragmentation rather than expansion.

>>32742191
I had no idea. Thanks for that correction, man. I'll have to follow up on that to verify, but man, that's a game changer.

>>32742205
:'(

>>32742269
Haha, surely you've heard "trust but verify."

I can't find anyone else talking about this fact online, though. Could you please point me towards where you learned that from? I'll have to restructure my plans if that's the case, wanna go to the source.

>>32741221
mine came zeroed out of the box
good to check first

Do triangle sidefolders have different front trunions than fixed stock rifles?

>>32742294
Ahh a quick google search turns up nothing for me either, guess i was wrong and learned something today.

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>>32742479
Shit, lol. Ah, well. Thanks for the attempt though, bud. I'll probably dum dum some FMJ that has a soft jacket.

>>32742474
Front trunnions? No, just different rear trunnions. They do have a small latch installed on the front left side of the receiver.

>>32742205

The 8m3 from SGammo looks like it fragments a good bit compared to other brands.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292418

>>32742608
Oh, yeah, man. That's some good stuff. Thanks very much, I'll be getting that for sure.

>>32742513
Look up 8M3 "Effect" and how it performs.

>>32739762
It's up to you guys to fix that

>>32739450
4 you

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>Be me
>Get call from LGS about an FFL transfer
>Go there, with expectations

It's literally what the NRA reviewed in pic related.

Holy shit.

It came with some kind of odd hat, the LGS said it was optional, but IDK.

I mean, what do?

I'm gonna Oy Vey all the way to NRA verified sub-MOA, on a platform based on AK!

Halp! me!!elebentybeforeyoustopbeingliterallywankers andanactualfirearmsforum

>>32743817
Are you having a fucking stroke

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>>32743817

>>32743849

Not so far, but I fucked up and didn't turn off the trip again.

But it REALLY MAKES YOU THINK!

>>32743872
Really activates my almonds

>>32743849

Also, Hey Chimps. You've given me a lot of guidance on the AK platform in the past.

Few racks of this and that reflect that.

>>32743910
>Few racks of this and that reflect that.
Are you as fucking drunk as I am right now

>>32743894
>Really activates my almonds

Chimps is why I have only Veprs in the rack.

>>32743993
>Are you as fucking drunk as I am right now

That's extremely likely.

>>32743993
What are you imbibing tonight?

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>>32743894
>>32744025

>>32738395
Bought mine for 525 but still passed up countless aes10b and psl rifles.

>>32744025
Last of a bottlee of Irish mist

>>32744037
Fucking hilarious

What was the cheapest regular Draco pistols have been sold for historically?

>>32744233
350 in 2011
t. burger

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>>32744099
>Irish mist
Whew, that's rough.
Well enjoy, I guess.

>>32744304
Oh jeez mang. At that price I would have snatched up ten... fuck

>>32744392
It's a great breakfast booze

>>32744447
Says everybody in hindsight

10 years, everyone will say "wasrs were $650 each in 2016? I would've bought 20!"

Yet you don't see anybody buying dozens of wasrs

>>32744514

Yep, I would have bought 20 crates of mosins when they were $60

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HA HA

TIME FOR DRINKING

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Someone just hit the neighbor lady's parked car pushing it 10 feet back into muh Audi. Thanks for the carfax record faggot

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>>32744656
Sue for depreciation of value in small claims court.

>>32744514
>Says everybody in hindsight
>10 years, everyone will say "wasrs were $650 each in 2016? I would've bought 20!"
>Yet you don't see anybody buying dozens of wasrs
No need to be an asshole.

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Ohh KC

>>32744707
Info on that image?

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>>32744725
Looks like 12g mags.

>>32744707
>Translucent green 12 gauge mag
Is this for the Saiga with the magwell?
And will it work in a vepr 12?

>>32744697
It was not my intention, just a statement that there's no time like the present, you can just about always count on guns to get more expensive

>>32744707
Lol

>>32744538
>Tfw can't drink due to meds
I can't take it anymore fucking kill me

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who has had bayonets shipped from russia to the U.S?

I keep hearing bayonets are hard to through russian customs.

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>>32744538

>Got into guns in $2010

>racks and racks of mosins at cabelas to look through

>$100

>Everyone saying thats overpriced and dont buy them

>>32744707
this reminds me of jello cups

>>32744931
PUDDI PUDDI

>>32744841
are you supposed to sharpen the Romanian bayonets? I keep reading that you're not supposed to because they're just for poking holes.

I wanted to use it as a knife but oh well

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>>32745025
>it's been almost six years

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>>32745104
Has it really? Damn. It didn't hit me before you said so.

Have this to cheer up.

>>32745086

Bayonets are for stabbing, dont sharpen them, the steel doesnt hold a edge.

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>>32737477
So I saw an M76 in 7.92mm for 1350? Is this reasonable? It was in pretty good condition and I kind of fell in love with this thing when I saw it. I dropped off my pistol at this place's gunsmith for some trigger work, so I'm going to get a good look at the barrel and see if there's matching SNs.

Pic specifically related.

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>>32744725
>>32744766
Guy says saiga/vepr 12 $119

>>32745284
Who built it ?

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>>32745305
>They're only 2990₽ (~$50) directly from KC.
That's quite the price hike.
It's neat, but not $120 neat.

>>32745342
It said "Zastava" on the the left side of the receiver. I know that's not the best of help, but that's what I know off hand. Also, the tag says it's Century. When I go back I'll check for matching serials. I will say it looked to be in pretty good shape.

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>>32744609

>that severely canted sight on the top one

>>32745386
If this doesn't help clarify- what should I be looking for? I know matching serials (when possible) and I'm gonna try to take a look with a bore light. Anything else I should look out for?

What is better:
Steel mags or polymer mags?
and why

>>32745438
Well sounds like its a century m76 kit built on a US reciever. That price seems high tho.

>>32744771
Fuck you asshole

>>32745452
There are pros and cons to both.
So neither is really better or worse than the other.
Get both and draw your own conclusions as to which you care for more.

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>>32745429
better send it back to Tula, clearly unacceptable

fucking shitty QC QA QD QT3.14

>>32745460
Damn. I'll check it out again when I go back, but unless it's got matching serials or a good barrel, I guess I'll look elsewhere. Thanks for the advice.

>>32744875
>this is me
heh $350 for a hex nugget, not bad eh

>>32744875
>2017
>mosins $275+
>dont buy them, theyre overpriced
it could be the same story again.

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>ad clearly states i want one matte one shiny plum
>dude offers me 1:1 matte plum to rpk bake

Why are people so retarded

>>32745949
It's the Files, man.
It's like a half of a step above armslist.

>>32745983
Still, I expect people to be able to read. I may end up selling the bake and buying some plums instead, idk yet. Fucking insane that it'd cost me 32+ a piece over here though

>>32745356
I'm not surprised, the pictures are from one of the guys on FB willing to ship from RU

>>32746100
That may be your best bet, honestly. It's going to be a hard trade when plums go for $25-28 before shipping all the time and there's a guy on Files selling 45 rd bakes for $45.

>>32746123
Creamy...

PTR guy again. How well regarded are MAK 90's?

>>32746205
Best AK you can buy under 1k.

>>32746184
Yea, at a certain point I'll spend the fuckin 100 bucks to get 10-12 from RU and sell some off the top to cover it. Fuck paying 35 dollars a mag bro

I would rather trade an RPK bake and 5-7 bucks though just because of time reasons. That's my biggest issue with int. shipping

>>32746205
Good ak. But depends on how much bubba has fucked with it.

>>32746251
>>32746219
Once I get some deets I'll post them here and probably look like a tard as usual

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>>32746192
Just like cum stored in a jar according to Chimps.

>>32746268
Meh its more interesting then the standard, "what ak should i get, im dumb and cant research a model".

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>>32746205
I very much enjoy my MAK-90. The quality is very good. Do a bit of research on them, they have their ups and downs. I certainly do not regret buying mine.

>>32746359
It'll be my first AK, and it'll be whether it's worth a trade of my PTR (or basically, is it worth $780).

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>>32746112
Yeah that sucks.
I wouldn't mind getting a couple for shits and giggles, but fuck paying over twice what they go for.
>Guess I'll have to go through other channels

New to /akg/ should I get a C39v2 from Century or a Vepr?

>>32746461
>every thread

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>>32746377
I'm not sure I would recommend it as a first AK. While they are very good quality, various things will not work with them due to their receiver being thicker than a standard AKM (1.6mm I think). Also due to it being a ban era rifle it lacks a bayonet lug and a threaded barrel. So as far as customization goes, you will be a bit limited. The Chu wood is also pretty soft, so it dents fairly easily.

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>>32746461
Vepr if you want to live.

>>32746461
anything century's other than draco or wasr are SHIT

>>32746359
>mine
Do it and you will never question the trade. Just sold an Excellent Thumbhole mak-90 for 900 FTF.

>>32746475
What about the N-Pap?

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>>32746461
i dunno lol

>>32746473
>ban
Nothing a file/Dremel couldn't solve receiver thickness is hardly an issue. Who uses a bayonet honestly...really argue that point...Threaded barrel you have me there but still not a reason to not purchase a mak for $800ish.

>>32746461
>>32746475
VEPR 2nded.

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>>32746492
Get a wasr.

>>32746515
This...also seems like you will not want to spend money for a Vepr...buy once cry once they say. How ever who cries at a good purchase?

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>>32746525
Thats why i bought my arsenal :^)

>>32746525
I always took it as buy once and cry once about the money, but not after that. Other situation is buy many times cry many times because you're crying about your shit purchases.

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>>32746502
Im not telling him not to get it, i'm just saying that it does have limitations when compared to a standard AKM. As a first AK, most people want to play around with it a bit, try out different furniture and such. The MAK-90, while a great rifle, doesn't fit that role as well as say a WASR would. I highly recommend getting one, but not for what I imagine a "first AK" would be. Also I realize you can shave down furniture, but I was referring to the fact that certain wire folding stocks tend to not fit them.

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>>32746546
I never had to cry about my arsenal ^)

Unless you count the cost and rarity of accessories

>>32746568
My first AK was a MAK...I beg to differ on all points...

>>32746546
I need a nice 5.45 Arsenal/Saiga.

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>>32746288
Here's a temporary lol that I got offered while I wait on deets about the MAK.

>>32746568
I hate wire stocks, I prefer wood. Not thumbhole, but I figure I'll be able to find a decent fixed wood stock that'll work on a MAK, yes? How about a triangle folding stock?

I had a VZ2008 before and hated the folding stock. Fixed stock is more comfy, and I had an ACE folding stock clone on it later on before I got rid of it that was far better.

>>32746568
>>32746556
>>32746525
I have the budget for a Vepr, I was just wondering how the alternatives stacked up since the Vepr seems to use proprietary 10rd magazines

>>32746556
That's why you buy quality with AK's not bargain like AR's

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>>32746591
Yes you do.

>>32746583
Some people think 1000$ is alot for a quality rifle. I think money well spent.

>>32746597
>
Be diligent and buy online on a respected forum/group and get a nice used rifle that is broken in. Fuck a LGS

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>>32746594
Fuck no ....

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>>32746608
>$2200 in the hole on my first AK build
>still waiting
I know my builder isn't building 24/7 but this wait is killing me.

>>32746608
Anyone who think's $1,000 is a lot for a quality rifle has not seen what "quality" can encompass in terms of pricing. Can you find a good rifle for that price or under, sure...

>>32746608
I mean to be fair, 1000 is a lot for an AK
>270 dollar 103s in venezuala
But I spent ~600 for my 104 with 3mags, silver bear ammo, can, drago case...

Was good price

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>>32746621
Here's a pic of the VZ with the folding stock (hated switching out the beaver barf handguard but they got so fucking hot).

>>32746600
That's exactly what I'm saying. A lot of people would buy shit AK's and want better ones, therefore crying about the shit AK's and having to cry about buying quality ones.

AR's can be alright too though, I'm not sure why there has to be the heated debates of which reigns supreme.

>>32746608
There are far worse rifles that sell for far more than $1k. And good rifles that sell for under $1k.

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>>32746631
Im in 1k on my build. 2 more week hopfully.

>>32746645
Thats was a good price.
I feel the same about my woo

>>32746642
Everybody gets a good deal of your patient.

>>32746656
Vz 2008 ?

>>32746645
You can't quote another countries price as your basis for opinion. $1,000 is average for the start of the good quality AK market. A high quality AK will run you $1,500-$2,500+

Also you will not fine a package like that in the wild, if so it is very rare.

>>32746671
Patience is a quality most americans lacks...lets be real.

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>>32746594
You can put other stocks on MAKs, Ive seen people convert them back to a preban look before. Like what was pointed out earlier, you may have to do some filing to get the stock to fit, but it does to my knowledge have a standard rear trunion that is able to accept AKM stocks. I am not sure about a triangle folder but I would assume no. Another thing I forgot to mention is that MAKs don't have optic mounts on the side of their receivers. Of course you could put time and money into it and make it how you want, but as a base rifle, there are more immediate customization options with a standard AKM. Not trying to dissuade you from trading for one, but just know what you are getting so you don't regret it.

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I thought 650$ on my sar1 was a good deal.
>mfw they sold for 350$ new.


>>32746697
Oh i know. Ive definitely been a impatient nigger before.

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>>32746671
Ye. Was a fun gun to shoot, but I only had it because AK's were banned in my state (MD). Capitalized on commie state prices before I moved with the plan of getting an AK.

Sold the VZ>2008< for 1000 dollarydoos to some tard. Thousand bucks for a 2008. Let that set in.

Here's the final configuration it sold in.

>>32746677
Except I did find that package, and I totally can quote that, it means Russia can make 103s cheap as shit, but because of import regs they're retard expensive, same with AK mags

I'm not gonna bother explaining it farther than that because I already know you're retarded though

>>32746671
It was amazing. I'm never selling this rifle. If I ever go to AZ or you go to FL we need to shoot

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>>32746714
Lemme guess you bought it from psa for 399$?

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>>32746728
Ha if it ever works out i would be inclined. My 104 is one of my favorite rifles.

>>32746728
>farther
Maybe your retarded because I said it was rare not impossible...read full sentences asshat.

I have found many a great package deal doesn't mean I quote them as the normal price for an item.

I love you...

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>>32746729
Naw I was too late for that party. Picked it up for $600 or so from a gun show.

Still kinda curious about the Vector Arms build the guy offered me. Romanian build, CHF CL barrel, estimated 2-300 rounds through. I asked what he thought the gun was worth and he said $750-$800. That seems like a tad bit of a stretch to me for a Romanian build but I don't know a ton about AK's.

Think it's just hitting my soft spot for triangle stocks.

>>32746757
Also, you got an eye on the tracking? I think it's gonna pass the 30 fay threshold so it /should/ hit ISC New York any day now

Normally I keep an autistically close eye on everything I have numbers for but I'm away from my PC till tomorrow night

>>32746776
I been drinking tonight sue me

And I meant cheap 103s for Venezuela, so way to totally miss the point

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>TFW you find german furniture on teh interwebs
Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>32746793
Still no point, not talking sales in the US...not a relevant price point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzRH11G3vc

>>32746819
>us makes imports hard and artificially raises prices
>THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

If I ever bothered to filter people you'd be on that list. You are unironically dumb as shit

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