/SGG/ Shotgun General Why don't we start a shotgun general

>>32713366
The lgs by me has an older model Wingmaster 870 20" 12ga. Looks in good shape, no cracks in the furniture. I think they're asking 375 or 350.

Worth picking up to give it a good home? I'm gonna stop by again today to see if I can get more information on it. Any known issues on the older ones?

>>32713402
the old one are good to go IMO.

For 350? Go for it!

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>>32713366
Really want to get a topper. What are disadvantages to hunting hogs with a single barell? Any chance of getting charged? Is this a good gun to leave on my hot car for days at a time? Are they good for the money?

I've whored my gun on the board before, so you've probably heard of it already.

I keep a Remington 870 Express, 18.5" Imp Cyl barrel, an extended mag tube that brings it up to 6+1 2.75" shells or 5+1 3" shells, in a Bullpup Unlimited body kit; if I buy a better tube extension than the carlson/choate POS I have installed now, I can probably get an extra shell into the tube for the same length, even just replacing the long-tail follower should ease up the space if the spring will take the compression that far.

>>32714975
dammit, I've been posting half of what I wanted to say all day now, I should get some sleep.

regardless, I keep it for home defense and the odd range trip and have a set of diamond-box flip-sights attached along the top rail and zeroed to 50 yards- though after the disassembly and cleaning I just gave it, I'll need to fish out the laser boresighting slug and zero it again just in case the reassembly shifted everything around, but hey, it's a shotty in a body kit, it'll probably slip the zero with every shot.

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Waiting for my new Derya MK10 to come in. Because fuck you, I like tacticool shotguns.

>InB4 "fuck turkroach guns"

>>32715304
green is not a creative color

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Will pic related be any good?

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>>32713366
i discovered during the alabama /k/ meet that the shells in my SOE shell card slowly walk themselves out of their sleeves during sustained fire..looks like i might be goin for one of the Mesa carriers

I really want to get a Browning BPS 10 Gauge and chop the barrel down to 18.5 inches.

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>>32715755
it would be great if browning produced a tactical model.. id probably buy one.

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>size and weight of a rifle
>range of a handgun
>capacity is less than that of a handgun
>using it for anything other than hunting/shooting clay

>>32715627

I hear they've seemed to iron the bugs out of the newest Gen.


>>32715868
>not using a shotgun for home defense
>not shooting shotgun matches

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>>32715868
>>range of a handgun
>>>/v/

>tfw still can't shoot 12g without it hurting too much
>only shooting birdshot
>i hold it tight against my shoulder but i can only shoot like 2 or 3 times before it hurts too much

how do i not hurt ;_;

>>32715868
>cheap
>dead reliable
>capable of hunting any animal in NA
>stupid easy to clean and maintain
>cheap to feed
2/10 made me reply

>>32716022
thus spoke zarathustra

>>32715975
>not becoming fucking deaf
>not wasting your time on pointless not real-word-applicable shit
>>32716022
Effective range is defined not just by projectile energy but also by accuracy.

>>32716075
>implying a rifle or a pistol is going to make you any less deaf

>>32716075
>but also by accuracy.

Ok. Slugs can still be used at a higher range than a fucking handgun.

>>32716046
>cheap
agreed
>dead reliable
like most of modern firearms
>capable of hunting any animal in NA
yeah I said their ammo versatility make sense for shooting animals, but there are much better tools for shooting humans
>stupid easy to clean and maintain
Any smallarm is unless you're 89 IQ
>cheap to feed
ehh, no

>>32716033
Grow a pair

>>32716135
why do people always tell me this

i just want to shoot a shotgun which was given to me but i can't because of the pain and bruising

it's not supposed to hurt like that

>>32716148
put a tampon between the butt of the gun and your shoulder. Should help.

>>32716158
;_;

>>32716148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jQKI_GwRS4&t=212s

@1:15

>>32716148
Bulk up your chest and shoulder. Maybe chanel positioning of the stock? Worst comes to worse put a towel on your shoulder to cushion a little bit.

>>32716098
And will fuck up whatever you hit with a slug. I'd rather get shot by a rifle cartridge than a slug. (If I'm gonna be shot, that is)

>>32716097
I'd say they are.
Table 2. SHOTGUN NOISE DATA (DECIBEL AVERAGES)

12 Gauge
18 " barrel 161.50dB

CENTERFIRE RIFLE DATA

.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18 " barrel 155.5dB
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB

CENTERFIRE PISTOL DATA

9mm 159.8 dB
.45 ACP 157.0 dB

Keep in mind that if it's 1 db more it's actually ~26% louder.

>>32716170
i would try this but i take medication that makes my chest/nipple very sensitive so I feel like this would end up hurting more than bracing it against my shoulder

>>32716175
i've had a couple times where I think I had it just right and it didn't hut at all but I can't get it in that position consistently

i need to just shoot until I can but I'm scared of the pain like a little bitch

>>32716190
What are you taking, birth control?
But for real, work those pecs and built upper body muscle. Also some manufacturers sell recoil reducing stocks/insterts, that may be worth you getting, as well as a longer padded buttpad. Alternatively, still grow a pair.

>>32716190
>Sensitive nipples
>Afraid of pain

See anon, you just need to get knocked up. The process of childbirth and breastfeeding will solve your issues. You ARE a woman right?...

>>32716210

i take female hormones and those make you grow boobs and growing boobs hurts and makes your chest very sensitive

bumping them on stuff hurts a lot a shotgun recoiling into / near them would be extremely painful

>>32716220
sort of

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>>32716186

>>32716148
>>32716033
get a shoulder shield, they come in varying thicknesses, I've got a super-light quarter-incher that's mostly leather with a v. thin foam backer that takes pretty much all the bite out of 3" slugs, which is about all I needed to mitigate in the first place- I'm actually surprised bird hurts you at all, what are you firing? a punt gun?

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Has anyone used a stoeger coach gun? I was thinking of buying one and read some good reviews. What does /k/ think?

>>32716233
Sell your shotguns and buy a prius

>>32715738

damn son, just thought about them cards....i always liked the idea of them quick change shotguncards.

>>32716233
>i take female hormones

Yeah just sell your guns now.

>>32716263
i read somewhere on here about an anon who bought one and the action was so stiff he had to break it open over his knee

ended up buying a dremel because there is some thing you can do to make the action smoother/easier

>>32716266
>>32716274
;_;

>>32716248
Hmm. I see your point. I concede my argument.

>>32716189
ear pro much?

>>32716189
Is that a joke? I was implying rifles and handguns at 150+ db are going to make you deaf as well. A 26% is negligible when you're already deaf (which you will be) from a blast that loud.

>>32716257
nah, see
>>32716233
/she/s firing a cunt gun- from between /her/ legs

>>32716316
firing without ear pro and you deserve to go instantly deaf

gotta wonder how the old folks dealt with ruining their hearing just after a few weeks of target practice- and they say our music is too loud and obnoxious

>>32716316
>A 26% is negligible
It's 1.26^6 if you compare it to a 5.56 AR senpai.

>>32716335
If think that you're gonna recover for the most part if it's not indoors.

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>>32715425
That's red, anon...

>>32713366
The shotgun general thread was tried 3 or 4 times before.
Good luck keeping it around.

>>32716379
yes, but red is creative, just not tactical- you shouldn't gist get the(se) things

>>32716397
I listen to Moby while cleaning my shotty and frou frou while shooting

>>32716294
Don't listen to the bigots, anon. You have every right to enjoy shooting. Try to find reduced recoil rounds and a compressible buttpad.

>>32716403
>>32716257
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=past%20shoulder%20shield
or a fucking shoulder shield, even the thinnest mitigate way more force than a buttpad

>>32716335
Stop being a faggot.

I spent 4 years firing 81mm mortars and shooting M240s without ear pro and I'm fine, believe me I had multiple hearing tests done because I wanted some sweet gibs me dat money.

Not saying that you shouldnt wear ear pro but the whole U DONT WEAR IT U GON BE DEAF meme is stupid.

>>32716434
>this meme

I have a friend who spent his time in wherever the fuck in the ME driving around in trucks.

I can always tell when hes home because I can hear the TV from every room.

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>>32716434
WHAT?

>>32713778

My family used to live off the land in the distant parts of the southland, deer, hogs, turkey and small game being huge dietary staples.

Most of them only owned a single shot shotgun and a .22lr rifle.

If you feel like you're gonna need to reload fast, keep a shell caddy on the gun or stick some in between your fingers or in your mouth. I've killed a world of shit with a single gun.

My Great Uncle killed 11 deer in 30 minutes with one on a dog drive.

>>32715868
>Accurate out to 150, 200 yards with slugs
>Basically ban-proof
>Easy as dogshit to break down and clean
>Universally recognized as the sign of a Good Time if/when your house is broken into

>>32716075

With a smoothbore, I can still plant the plain-old-Jane-Doe slugs in the 10-inch kill-zone of a deer at 100-125.

>>32716233
qt trap pics, please.

>>32716233
>>32716515
Seconding this.

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>>32716270
>i always liked the idea of them quick change
same here.. theyre also very lightweight, which i dig..
but, yeah after about a full mag of 1300+ fps buckshot loads, my shells would start moving all over the place, some nearly falling out of the carrier..sucks, i really like these things too

the bama meet was sweet..put about 100 fullhouse loads through the 590a1 on saturday..steel targets @ 25-30yds

>>32716480
>150
Pushing it.
>200
lolnope. It's lost to much energy by now. Use a rifle.
>Basically ban-proof
Doesn't make it perform better than a rifle for human -shooting purposes.
>Easy as dogshit to break down and clean
Any smallarm is unless you're 89 IQ.
>Universally recognized as the sign of a Good Time if/when your house is broken into
meme

>>32716597
birdshot is the perfect HD munition

>>32716605
Maybe it is but still:
>unmaneuverable
>low capacity

>>32716645
>bullpup body kit
>18.5" IC slug barrel, 27" overall
>+2 tube extension
>magnum receiver

out of 6+1 2.75" bird or 5+1 #4 buck, how many is enough for your body before it needs to skip leg day?

>>32716597

https://youtu.be/nNTyCcip-ks

>>32716669
actually, wait, I haven't seen #4 buck in 3" shells yet, make that 3" 00

>>32716233
Surely you're trolling

>>32716669
Respectfully, I still think that a handgun with a 15-30 round magazine would be better for HD and shooting people overall.
It's more maneuverable, faster to reload and, in my experience, much easier to shoot faster.

>>32716728
I also have a Ruger American in 17+1 9mm

Saiga or Vepr?

>>32716676
You ignored what I've said about rapid energy loss.
And I wouldn't call the accuracy he demonstrates satisfactory for hunting anyway.

>>32716774

When he gets his dope, he's able to start putting them in the kill zone, if you watched.

And I'm pretty sure it's still retaining plenty enough energy to penetrate well-beyond vitals.

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>>32716810
>pretty sure
Well you must be ABSOLUTELY sure if you plan to shot animals.

>>32716756

>>32716901

Why are you so autistic? Of course that's not a distance I would normally shoot a deer with a slug, but if I had to and knew my dope, I'd damn sure try it. If you're telling me that a .70 caliber one ounce chunk of lead at even 700-800 fps (the velocity of a lot of older projectiles or cartridges) is not gonna get into a man or deer's heart and lungs, you're a fucking idiot.

I keep an AR for HD, used to use a shotgun. I use a Weatherby Vanguard and an SKS for hunting large game. I haven't hunted deer with a shotty in 5 years, just birds and small game.

But the reason I'm arguing with you is because you faggots always come into these threads and derail the shit because you're a pack of shitting autists.

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>>32717049

>>32717145

>lol I troll u u so mad
>I was only pretending
>triggersdXDXD

How about I toss a 1 ounce, .70 caliber projectile at you at a mere 500 fps? Bitchmade, right? Anybody can take that.

>>32717164
I prefer gothicmade.

>>32717164
I would probably brake a rib.

>>32717182

My grandfather always told me that there's no need to seek out the fools in a group, as they will give themselves away.

>>32717198

You'd probably die. Considering that 12 gauge slugs are heavier than .38 S&W projectiles and .38 S&W is only 620 fps yet still very lethal.

200 gr at 620 FPS versus 1 oz at 500 fps.

>>32717208
yes, you do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3zt4xRyJ40

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>>32713366
love my saiga
even feeds the cheap 1oz low brass shit without a problem

>>32717245

>linking me to a trailer for some shitty anime

Yeah, I'll not bandy words with a weeb.

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Pic related, people complain about capacity.
> goes from 12 gauge to 20 gauge performance
> lets you carry 50% more ammo
> sweet and easy on the shoulder


>>32717224
Mass means more than velocity when it comes to penetrating.

thats why a crossbow bolt or arrow will lance your ass even though its only going ~200-400 fps.

I would love having a 400 grain 458 socom that only went 500fps, you would hear the twack of it hitting and it would probably blow right out the other side.

> id love having it as a smaller round that fit in a pistol, id accept the velocity loss

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>>32717255
I bet you don't even like traps.

>>32716033
Felt recoil in a shotgun depends on alot of things. If its light, its going to kick more. Having a recoil pad on the butt helps alot. Pumps and break actions recoil harder than autos. You could be placing the stock on the wrong part of your shoulder.

>>32717274

My point stands, that shit would kill ya dead even at 500 fps.

>>32717299

I do not. I don't care what people do in their bedrooms, but knowing the kind of shits I've taken and the amount of ass-sweat I have, I could not put my wiener in amother dude's butt.

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I got a Hatsan Escort pump for my first gun. R8 h8 masterb8

>>32717386

You need PT.

>>32717401
That's my brother. I am actually chubby as fuck.

I got a Mossman 500AB with a 24" slugger barrel for $175. am I doing OK, /sgg/?

>>32716233
4 u

>>32716756
>>32717041
pls answer

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There was a ksg at my LGS. I asked if I could finger fuck it. It was my first time handling shotgun and my dick was beyond erect.

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Fabarm FP6 with 2 shell extension. I'm looking install some ghost ring sights, and cerakote it. In thinking gray with black furniture. Anyone have better ideas for a color scheme?

I bought a Remington 870 Tactical last march.
Any accessories that arent shit?

>>32716148
Get a recoil pad senpai

>>32718369

Mesa Tactical AR adapter. Magpul forend

>>32718369
>>32718587
>Magpul forend
agreed
..been rockin the sga stock for about a year.. great piece

Where is the cheapest place to get a mossburg 500? 20" or 18.5" barrel please. 12g

I see one for $290 but there is shipping based on location and another place for $315 free shipping but then FFL fees and shit.

So in store or online what should I be paying?

>>32719217
if its new, $400 max

all I got is a maverick 88 20 inch security model

would that Art of the Tactical Shotgun be worth watching?

>>32715738
>>32716270

do the SOE cards have any rubber to hold the shells? I haven't used them yet, but I just bought some Esstac cards and there's a layer of rubber that the shells are pushed against by the elastic and it seems like a damn good idea. Seems to hold them in nice and tight but still easy enough to remove shells manually.

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What about an 870 in Remington's home defense setup.
Are 870's still the foolproof pump they used to be?

>>32719462

870s...buy used. Pre 2007 is when they were still good. Nowadays there's much greater chances you'll get a lemon, especially if it's an 870 express model.

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Just realised I can own this here in the UK.
I want it.

>>32719522
Is the year of manufacture stamped somewhere on an 870?

>>32719546

I think remington barrels have codes indicating year, you can also probably look up the serial # for mfg date.

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Just slapped a +2 extension on my old 1990s 870 Police. It's still cool even if the extension extends past the barrel, right? This is an older 870P with the 18 inch barrel vs the newer 18.5 inch barrels that line up with the extensions...

>>32719597
Like it

Looking to get my first shotgun, what's a low-mid priced reliable intro shotgun? Currently considering Maverick 88 or Moss berg 500, but I don't know much about others

>>32719859

>Mossberg 500 is worth the extra $$ if you can afford it, the finish is more durable and the top-mounted safety is much better.

However, don't discount buying used. Remington 870 police-trade models like >>32719597
can be had for under $300 and are workhorses.

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Do people own guns for "reasons"? I just look at them and shoot twice in a blue moon

>>32719967
People own guns for lots of reasons.

What shotgun is that? I love the heat shield.

>>32719967

I have:
>home defense rifle
>home defense shotgun
>cheap "truck gun" shotgun
>primary ccw pistol
>secondary ccw pistol
>woods carry 10mm pistol
>threaded pistol for suppressor fun
>cheap as fuck pistol I keep in my bathroom

so yeah...i've got some reasons

>>32716233
Wouldn't be /k/ without the traps. Can I fuck you?

>>32717354
Girls shit and have ass sweat too anon.

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I'll be picking up a Winchester SXP Pump Defender tomorrow. Was on sale. I liked the feel of it over the other shotguns of the same price range. Anyone else had one before? I've read nothing but good reviews for it.

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>>32719440
none. just elastic

>Esstac cards
ill check em out thanks for posting

>>32716515
>>32716543

Burn in hell degenerates

>>32720206
Go back to sucking cock. Faggot.

>>32720092

Shhhh.

are there any youtube videos on how to git gud with shotguns?
like combat shotgun videos and how to use it?

>>32720899
I've seen some, just type it into YouTube and see what you find. There's several on drill, speed loading, tactical reloading and training instructors trying to sell their courses. But no channels or anything devoted to them that I know of.

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Got myself the Maverick 88 security model
Been thinking of replacing the brass bead with a tritium/fiber optic or putting one of those railed saddles and a vortex strikefire on.

Also painting the stock and forend dark olive or slavshit plum.

>>32716263
My ex wife bought one and I used it a few times. It's not a great shotgun. That being said it's hard to fuck up a sxs. The thing shoots when you pull the trigger, and it's safe.

>>32719907
who are you quoting

>>32717252

i bet you're from europe.....germany?

>>32721532
>olive and plum tigerstripe
DO IT FAGGOT

vepr 12 best gun

>>32713402
Damn bought mine for 150$ out the door

>>32716605
Anything worth shooting someone with will cruise through cheap American housing architecture.

Overpenetration is a fuddmeme.

>>32715738
should have just gone with the tacstar.

everything else is a fucking gimmick

>>32716379
he was reffering to your greentext, dipshit

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Brit fag here. My Mossberg 500 I also have a Beretta Silver Pigeon.

>>32724489
after about three to nine feet, iirc, light bird tends to stop in drywall, among other things

>>32724636
Is that on FAC?

>>32713778
12ga slug is just fine for a boar, and yes if you are on the ground there is a chance of it charging you if your shot is not true. The disadvantage is obvious in that you only have one shot, but as a hunting gun that is fine.

The advantages/disadvantages of that compared to an un/single is a different story, though.

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Muh Mossman

>>32716434
Firing at indoor ranges without ear protection is a lot different than firing on an open field without it. Plus that is supposed to be one of those things that catches up to you when youre old after a life time of not protecting your ears.

>>32725462

No just on SGC its not a section 1.

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>>32724636
The Beretta, beautiful gun and build quality.

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Maybe y'all can tell me why this is. Whenever I shoot clays I almost never use ear pro, and I haven't noticed any reduction in hearing or signs of tinnitus.

But if I shoot one round out of my AR or a handgun my ears ring like a morherfucker.

Which is why I think stuff like >>32716189 isn't true.

Note: I am not saying you should wear earpro when shooting your shotgat, just that it hasn't bothered me in the ~25,000 shells I've shot since I was 10.

>>32716263
I have one in .410 that my grandpa gave me. Its seems to me a pretty good shotgun

>>32719859
Benelli nova is an excellent pump for 400. I would recommend it over any other intro shotgun.

>>32726300
Sonic boom has alot to do with it.

>>32726300

I always wear my Beretta ear defenders when shooting and everyone else at the clay ground has hearing protection too. Even family's/ friends watching someone shoot get given a pair of ear plugs.

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>>32713366
Who else here zulu master race?

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Benelli Nova, bought it for a slug gun for Bambi but I keep it loaded with 00 in the house. I live alone so scattergat is fine for HD.

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>>32728549

>>32716248
so youd rather be shot with a slug close range than a rifle close range?

>>32726792
I've always theorized it's because shotguns are a lot lower pressure, so it more of a boom compared to a crack like a rifle.

>>32728421
Probably a good practice. I've been wearing them more when I shoot clays because I'd like to hear when I'm older. Usually just a pair of plugs though.

>>32731000
Shotgun pellets don't cause the sonic crack by breaking the sound barrier like rifle shots generally do.