Could you even use missiles at this range? What's the point

>>32689964
>wasting missiles when ship is in gun range

Also it's a show of force and it's easier to measure their radar when they are close

>>32689990
The Kuznetsov has so many fucking PD guns, I wouldn't bet money on the destroyer.

>22 30mm gatling guns

That's an awful lot of BRRRRRT

If the Russians had done any damage to the DD then it would've been anything from an international incident to war.

The DD is that close for a few reasons:

>show of force.
>intel gathering, radar signals, sonar signals, better visuals, intercepting communications, etc.

>>32689964

Ignoring the politics of it.

Escorting a ship isn't just about protecting against the ship, but protecting the ship against others.

By that I mean any fuckwit with a boat bothering the Kusnov in a way that it feels that it must defend itself. The Russian navy would have a very, very strict ROE with very few options since they're travelling through foreign waters (you can imagine the political fallout were the Russians to use their weapons and for the RN/NATO navies for allowing the Russians to gun down boats in their waters). The Royal Navy would not have such a strict ROE and more options than the Kusnov in how to respond to threats like having the ability to board or use their own weapons with legal and political authority.

Besides, all the Type 45 needs to do is open up with its 114mm (4') gun to utterly ruin the Kusnov.

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>>32689964
>What's the point in shadowing this close?

Because photos of unoccupied foreign warships in the English Channel are bad for publicity. there is next to no tactical reason.

There's also no harm in being that close because they aren't going to start shooting one another for no reason.

>>32689964
Think of it as an expensive parade

>>32690014
>>22 30mm gatling guns
It has six. So probably three on each side. Destroy them and you have time to make holes in the hull. You'd probably get two of them down before the Russians react and the third one before it's shooting.

>>32690048
If you want to be anal about it, it has 8 sets of double 30mm in the Kashtan CIWS mounts, giving 16 of the damn things. Then you have 6 more of the damn AK-630's in AA mounts for some reason. 22 is the total number. What they need AA-mounts for then they allready have 8 CIWS and a shitload of missiles is beyond me though..

>>32690036

Exactly, if they just wanted to keep a figurative gun to the Kuznetsov's head, they would be using a SSN, which they might be, for all we know.

>>32690084
You're expecting all those guns to be operational at the same time. Think of it like a redneck's yard, there's six cars there - but only one or two actually run at any given time.

>>32691075
>Implying you need more than one of them to dump its loadout (2-4000 rounds) into that tincan to destroy it.

Silly tit.

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>>32690048

LOL dat THICCness

You could probably cut one continuous ragged hole at the entire waterline with a 10 second burst

>>32689964
Russian aircraft carriers look so quiet. American aircraft carriers are always bustling with activity. How many crewman are on a Russian ship like that?

>>32691175
Bustling and vodka don't mix :D

>>32691171
Modern ships aren't armored in any substantial way, and that includes the Kuznetsov.

>>32691171

I'd take the 114mm, 20mm and 30mm vs the ×3 30mm in winning.

>>32691139
And you think it could do that before the destroyer shoots back?

It has a 4.5 inch gun and it's own 30mm

>>32689964
Naah, they are just having a smoking contest. Kuzzy-chan won.

Seriously I bet my ass there were submarines around too doing data collecting, for example recording the latest propeller sounds and other signatures.

>>32689964
recon and show of force

You don't just attack other nation's ships, especially not nuclear armed country's.

>>32691452

AK-630 destroy all weapons on the destroyer in one second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1rlQf6QwSc

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16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-630#AK-630M

>>32691793
>implying they are operational on this piece of shit

>>32691865
comparing to their plane losses, 1-2 probaly would break of the ship when fired

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>>32691865

>>32689990

The Type 45 is also in gun range of the Russian surface combatant escorts.

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>>32691175
It mostly because Granit launchers in deck.

>>32689964
Why do the Russians even let it get this close? Afaik US carriers keep a 200 kilometer exclusion zone around them wherever they go, hell they told a lighthouse once to get out of the way.

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>>32693116
>hell they told a lighthouse once to get out of the way.
Had a laugh even though it's fake

>>32693192
t. lighthouse

>>32693229
No, seriously, I grew up in Boston, sailors have been telling that story for fucking ages and I've heard a million versions of it.

>>32693116
Are you retarded

>>32693116
No, they don't and no they didn't

>>32693421
Because it's simply something the Military would get into.

It's not once or twice when

>1) the rigidity of the chain of command is tested

>2) the effect of the situational common sense in the rigidity of the chain of command is tested

The whole story could be absolutely true.

>>32693886
Jesus Christ you actually believe the carrier lighthouse story?

The oldest urban legend on the internet? You gullible fuck

>>32693854
Okay, but the story you are talking about specifically did not happen, at least not to a carrier group.

>The whole story could be absolutely true.
Your entire basis for this is "Well it sounds believable"
There are no first person accounts
No witnesses
No actual proof of ANY KIND for your side.

Now, I am telling you that my fucking Grandfather told me this story, with different details. In that story it was the Russians. I have heard this story firsthand with the details changed to every fucking seagoing vessel you can imagine, from every nationality you can imagine, hailing every single land-based object you can imagine.

At some point did some dumbfuck (probably a cargo ship) tell stationary object to move? Most likely. But it happened AT LEAST fifty years ago, and WAS NOT a carrier group.

>>32693116
>US carrier
>km
lolwut

>>32693903
Please, serve. Then you'll know. Oh man you'll know.

>>32693116

If the Russians cared that much about other vessels getting close, they would have gone around Britain & Ireland instead of through the English Channel.

Also, do you honestly think that the USN shuts down the entire Persian Gulf to shipping (one of the major oil & gas arteries of the global economy) whenever they have a carrier there?

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>>32691175

The air wing is grounded because of accidents.

The crew is a skeleton crew that hey hastily threw together from various branches and other ships because they don't have a steady rotation of trained crew for the Kuz because it's service is so irregular and they can't afford it.

I thank God that it isn't a nuclear powered vessel because we would risk an international nuclear incident if the thing sunk in international waters some where.

A diesel accident would "only" produce a plume of contaminated sea water for months.

>>32694106
Water is actually a very good shield for radiation

>>32691452

>3

Each side of the Kutzenov has 4 dual mount 30mm CIWS guns and 3 AA mount single 30mm guns, for a total of 11.

And it should be able to stay afloat longer with holes in it just by sheer tonnage.

>>32691603
The difference is that an aircraft carrier is much fatter than a destroyer.

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>>32693116
>Afaik US carriers keep a 200 kilometer exclusion zone around them wherever they go
Lol. Fortunately people in charge are wiser than a dickwaving 4chan faggot.

>>32689964

You seem to be missing a key piece of information here, which is that Britain and Russia are not at war.

The Kuz was going through the Channel, which is an international waterway, and the RN sent a ship to say hello. They are not there to threaten or intimidate them, they are there to be friendly and to collect good PR pictures for the British media.

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>>32693116
>Afaik US carriers keep a 200 kilometer exclusion zone around them wherever they go

lol

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>>32700111
Nice pic.

>>32700125

>You see anatoli, when drive battlecruiser on land like so, you nothing need fear of amerikantsy, for they will never expect you.

>>32693116
>keep a 200 kilometer exclusion zone
>Kuznetsov sails through the channel
>Fires cruise missile salvos in a defensive move because of London, Paris and the whole of Belgium's population getting too close

>>32694085
The irony in such an assumption is that the reason for a carrier being in there would be to ensure that such traffic is allowed (unless its there to bomb sandpeople, which kinda equates to the same thing really)

>>32693421
This, even we have a fucking version in Spain of the damn thing.

>>32693116
Imagine you are in the russian navy, you know how many "little" accidents already happened with it. I dont know about you, but i would be happy about every ship near me i could literally swim over.

>>32690029
>since they're travelling through foreign waters
English Channel isn't really "English" m9

>>32700349
>London, Paris and the whole of Belgium
And nothing of value was lost on that day.