>every single "modern" military force in the world

>>32654275
total genocide is expensive

About a year and a half.

>>32654275
This is why you got DQ'ed from service anon.

>not having won a war in close to a century
64 years since a conventional win.
>The only thing that wins wars is total genocide of the opposition.
Conventional wars and counter insurgencies are two different things with wildly different win states
>How much longer are we going to pretend that this isn't the case?
When it actually becomes the case.

>>32654275
>total genocide wins wars
Tell that to Hitler, going about being utter cocks to Soviet peasants was a big factor in them losing.

>>32654275
>The only thing that wins wars is total genocide of the opposition.

Thank you for providing the layman's opinion about how wars should be conducted.

>>32654291
>64 years since a conventional win.

What could you possibly be thinking of?

>>32654275
>technological feel good liberal garbage

The West has gotten used to a COIN focus, while eastern militaries have mostly disregarded that aspect becasue they know that designing doctrine and vehicles specialised for COIN and training and equipping their troops for COIN enviroments will not mean anything in a war fought against peer or near peer level opponents.

Seriously, an MRAP might be cool when fighting abu hajar in sandboxistan, but will be retarded and expensive when you have to fight prepared militaries.

>>32654316
>just sputters "YOU ARE WRONG" and then runs away crying

Nice argument.

>>32654317
Sounds like he's referring to the Korean war, I suppose.

>>32654336

Then he's a fucking retard.

Korean war? Won?

How can anyone be this stupid?

>>32654280
More expensive than decades long """peacekeeping""" operations?

[x]doubt

>>32654318
>doesn't even attempt to respond to what the OP is talking about

Stick to /v/, kid.

>>32654320
The Soviets tried your total genocide strategy in Afghanistan. They killed anywhere between 10%-30% of the total population of the country depending on which estimates you follow, and yet they achieved fewer of their objectives than the United States while sustaining far higher casualties in doing so.

The actual reason that some of these conflicts stretch on for 10 years or more is because they are occupations and not wars. Militaries are meant to fight governments and other militaries, not insurgencies. Defeating insurgencies is the job of spies and policemen, not soldiers.

>>32654368
>The Soviets tried your total genocide strategy in Afghanistan.

Kid, leave my thread.

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>>32654356
>not responding to the obvious bait that is total genocide

yeah, because that point is fucking absolutely retarded.

Was Germany subject to total genocide after the wars ended?
No?
Oh that is interesting, I guess then WW1 and 2 are still going on.

The thing that wins a conventional war is exhausting the enemy's resources to the point where he cannot effectively defend himself against your attack. All other things are secondary, including autistic thoughts such as believing in total genocide.

>>32654373
>just sputters "YOU ARE WRONG" and then runs away crying

Nice argument.

>>32654379
>if I feel even vaguely uncomfortable with a topic, it's "bait"!

What a convenient excuse for refusing to actually respond to the topic.

Take your shitposting elsewhere.

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>>32654368
>Soviets
>Tried total genocide in afghanistan

fucking what.
They were invited by the afghani government to aid them against opposition rebels, they definitely did not actively pursue efforts in genocide.

High amounts of collateral damage as a result of using non-COIN oriented weaponry and doctrine in COIN enviroments are not genocide, friendo.

>>32654275
No, retard, what wins wars is achieving the political objectives you originally set out to achieve.

You sound like a /pol/nigger and should kill yourself.

>>32654380

You seriously believe that the Soviets pursued a policy of "total genocide" in Afghanistan in the 70's.

You are a fucking idiot. Read a book about what actually happened. You couldn't possibly have discredited your position and yourself in a more rapid manner than this.

>>32654395
>what wins wars is achieving the political objectives you originally set out to achieve.

I seriously cannot believe that a sane person can look at the past century of warfare and come to this conclusion. It is so far outside of the bounds of reality that this viewpoint is something that should only be espoused by cartoon characters for the purpose of mockery. The fact that you haven't cottoned on to this yet is pathetic.

Russia won more than 2 wars since the 90s.

inb4 but derrrr awful combat performance

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>>32654382
>shitposting

Yes, because suggesting that total genocide wins wars is totally a legitimate argument.
No its fucking not, and if you believe so you are either a complete autist or just an edgy teen with father issues.

Genocide will always be inferior to other solutions such as defeating the enemy politically and militarily and making them conform to your ideology and military practices.

Also, genocide is basically impossible to carry out effectively, as it will lead to MASSIVE amounts of partisan warfare on the part of the subjects of genocide.

Every single one of the most powerful states in human history has failed at one point in defeating insurgencies of various degrees. Total genocide of an entire country would be borderline impossible as there would be no rest for the military carrying out the genocide.

>>32654428

How many times are you going to repeat the exact same thought with the exact same words?

You may as well just be copy/pasting your own replies at this point.

>>32654428
>total genocide is totally impossible
Where are the aztecs right now?

>>32654411
The United States defeated Noriega in Panama and won the Gulf War around the same period.

>>32654435

They were humanely defeated after their aggressors achieved their political objectives, of course.

>>32654435
In Mexico, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and everywhere else during the harvest season.

>>32654441
Protip: More than 2 wars.

>>32654433
as many times as it will take for those words to get through your thick skull.

>>32654435
killed by smallpox and typhus

>>32654441
>the US won the gulf war

How fucking dumb can you be?

We blew up a bunch of tanks in the desert in '91. TWENTY SIX YEARS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER, AND WE ARE STILL FUCKING THERE.

How is that a "defeat"?

>>32654451
So modern aztecs are spics?

I don't believe that.

Spics are spaniard-native halfbreeds, the pure aztecs are bred out.

>>32654455
>as many times as it will take for those words to get through your thick skull.

So this is your last reply?

Cool.

>>32654455
>killed by smallpox and typhus
So total genocide is possible, and it's not even expensive?

>>32654409
>Total /pol/ tier manifesto post
>cottoned on

I can safely discard your opinion and tell you to fucking neck yourself, retard.

Those are Mattis' words and I'm damned sure he knows more about warfare than either of us.

>>32654435
Intermixed into nonexistence.

>>32654456
Because we achieved our objective? What the fuck do you think wars are, a real life game of team deathmatch?

>>32654462
That fails to meet the definition of genocide, and mixing your culture and reproduction doesn't fit the criteria, either.

Where the fuck are all you /pol/acks coming from?

>>32654483

Genuine autism.

>>32654483
>That fails to meet the definition of genocide, and mixing your culture and reproduction doesn't fit the criteria, either.
Dude, so ok, total genocide does not work, we just have to kill all the men, rape all the women and insert chemical weapons into them.

That's totally not genocide.

And what's with you faggot crying /pol/ every times the discussion doesn't go your way?

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>>32654462
>So total genocide is possible, and it's not even expensive?

Sure, but we're talking about the genocide of a country in war, not the genocide of an entire continent.

You may develop a new fast spreading disease to use as a bioweapon, except you cannot control who it will infect in today's world.
Doing such a thing would be extremely dangerous, since it could potentially wipe out the entire continent you released the weapon on.

>>32654493
Just gas them, you silly fucker.

Not any disease, just straight out chemical weapon.

>>32654489
>Saying genocide isn't the objective or winning condiiton of war
>Autism

Mirror.

>>32654492
That's not at all how it fucking happened, nor was it ever even the intent.

I don't think you actually know what a war is, and your pervasive autism, lack of any thought on the matter, and that thing where you ask a question but then shit on the answers people give you because your question was actually a statement makes you reek of /pol/usion.

>>32654505
>I don't think you actually know what a war is

Do you actually think that this is going to get you somewhere in this conversation?

>>32654505
Yeah, man, war is like super nice and shit.

Like we beat their armies and their politicians say oh sorry we lost, then we go back home and fuck our wives.

Just like in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>32654505
>no war has ever ended with genocide

dude.

open a fucking history book.

>>32654509

This desu.

Remember when we kicked Saddam's ass in 1991? That totally settled Iraq, forever!

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>>32654509
>only using COIN wars as examples

>Like we beat their armies and their politicians say oh sorry we lost, then we go back home and fuck our wives.

Funny enough, thats pretty similar to what has been happening in Europe in terms of conventional war.

>>32654519
Yeah, too bad conventional war isn't the only kind of war.

You are applying the greek rule of war (a gentleman's game) i.e. Athens vs Sparta when the enemies would just overwhelm and kill you i.e. the greco-persian war.

>>32654519
>>only using COIN wars as examples

It's the topic under discussion.

How can you be so fucking dumb as to come into a thread, read the topic, and then take a giant dump all over the posts actually discussing the topic?

Here's a thought: Stick to what's actually being discussed, rather than your autistic fantasy world, and try to contribute to the conversation. Have you not noticed that every single person in this thread is laughing at your autism? It's because you're flat-out refusing to address what the rest of us are actually discussing.

ITT: OP was retarded
OP gets btfo
OP blames everyone else for his retardation
OP gets triggered and calls everyone autists after reaching the height of edgy angsty teenager posting


Is it 2008 again?

that wouldn't win the recent wars america was in.

The sandpeople fuck like rabbits, a genocide would mean a worse war 10 years later.

>>32654528
>its the topic under discussion

the statement in the OP is as follows

>"The only thing that wins wars is total genocide of the opposition."

At no point is "COIN war" or guerilla warfare mentioned. Instead, the OP makes the point that winning any and all kind of war is only possible through the genocide of the enemy, which is a factually inaccurate statement.

>>32654540
>>32654544

damn you are mad as fuck about this aren't you

>>32654544
But he's right, a total genocide will win both kind of wars, conventional or guerilla.

>>32654317

The Falklands... that was a convincing conventional win. And a lot less than a century ago.

>>32654559

That wasn't even a real war. Are you kidding me?

Argies swam over to an island, asked the Brits to go home. Brits came back, killed thousands of Argies, and the Argies fucked off.

That's not a war. That's a spanking.

>>32654550
No, he is not right. He says its a necessity, not an option.

He is factually incorrect.

>>32654562
War - noun - a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups between a country.

It doesn't matter how much of a spanking it was, it was still military action by one state against another.

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>>32654275
finally someone 'get's it'

>>32654568
Well, the only way to win COIN war is total genocide, as shown by the syrian and russians in the recent conflict.

No bars held.

>>32654570

Within, not between. My bad.

>>32654550
He suggests its the only way of winning a war. Thats the issue. Resources can be used much more effectively. You can spend untold amounts of effort to kill every last person in a nation you defeat, or you can defeat them politically and turn them into your allies instead, which boosts your military security and gives you partners in trade, etc.

Oh also it doesn't make you look like a complete fucking psychopath that should be eliminated at all costs on the international scene.

for example: imagine the if the soviets simply started to genocide east germany instead of turning them into their allies.

>>32654456
>if you're still there you didn't win
So by that logic the Americans never defeated Germany? Neither did the Russians (until '91 at least, by you're retarded logic).

>>32654457
That was his point, fuck knuckle.

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>>32654574
except the SAA and the russians aren't commiting genocide in syria.

Are they working with higher amounts of collateral than western armies? Yeah.
Are they deliberately murdering civilians?
No.

What CNN says doesn't matter.

>>32654368
The Russians also tried the hard approach in Chechnya by considering all males above 15 as rebels. The only thing they achieved was forcing all men to become rebels. Unsurprisingly they got their asses handed over twice.

The French didn't play nice in Algeria either. It only increased the resolution of their opponents.

In Vietnam, the USA inflicted terrible casualties to the Vietcong. Again, it only reinforced its will to fight. An ex-Vietcong said, they were so filled with rage, they simply didn't care about their own life. The only thing they wanted was to kill or injure some enemies.

>>32654583

Sure, type some fucking retarded shit like this instead of actually responding to what I said.

I'm taking your post so incredibly seriously right now. I will never think the same way about this topic ever again, now that you've wasted my time with this piece of shit reply.

>>32654578
>You can spend untold amounts of effort to kill every last person in a nation you defeat,
Which is actually not all expensive if you use chemical weapon.
>or you can defeat them politically and turn them into your allies instead, which boosts your military security and gives you partners in trade, etc.
Which requires nation-building, which itself requires billions every year.
>Oh also it doesn't make you look like a complete fucking psychopath that should be eliminated at all costs on the international scene.
Nobody give a shit about the international scene if you have nukes.
>for example: imagine the if the soviets simply started to genocide east germany instead of turning them into their allies.
Makes no difference either ways because the east germans were a puppet state, always on the leash of the Soviet.

>>32654595
>The Russians also tried the hard approach in Chechnya by considering all males above 15 as rebels. The only thing they achieved was forcing all men to become rebels. Unsurprisingly they got their asses handed over twice.
So you are saying the ruskies lost Chechnya I and Chechnya II? What's with Grozny being occupied by the ruskies then?
>The French didn't play nice in Algeria either. It only increased the resolution of their opponents.
The problem with the french is that they didn't play hard enough in Algeria, they must be sobbing when the country failed to muslims later.

>In Vietnam, the USA inflicted terrible casualties to the Vietcong. Again, it only reinforced its will to fight.
The USA was only fighting a very humane with the viet congs, but it was the very same as Iraq and Afghanistan, as long as you do not cut the source i.e. Hanoi, nothing is gonna change.

>>32654275
Let m guess. You're sitting in your black trenchcoat typing this because your asshole D&D group were being assholes and you left totally voluntarily. Don't worry. Someday you'll show them. You'll show them all.

>>32654590
They sure regard civie casualties as lesser issue than the Coalition.

And surprise, it fucking works.

The hard method works.

>>32654617
Occupying grozny did not stop the chehchens so why would the vietnamese?

>>32654620
While you are licking your lollipop in your pink dress?

I can see it too, you know?

>>32654596
>accuses others of a shit reply
The irony is palpable.

>>32654622
It actually stopped the chechens.

Modern Chechnya is safer than fucking Afghanistan.

>>32654607
Make like a banana and kill yourself.

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>>32654607
>Which requires nation-building, which itself requires billions every year.

Oh, and what, after you genocide the place will you just leave the place empty and fucking barren forever and not exploit its natural resources and manifacturing capability?

>nobody gives a shit about int. scene when you have nukes
this is a new level of retardation. seriously how the fuck are you this dumb? Noone is willing to trade or maintain relationships with you on the international stage and you have to completely rely on yourself in every way possible. Every country in history that had anything approaching this happen to it has had its power on the international scene decreased to laughable levels.
god fucking dammit

>Makes no difference
mfw

>>32654631
Tell that to the gorilla warriors, champ, not me.

>>32654634
>Oh, and what, after you genocide the place will you just leave the place empty and fucking barren forever and not exploit its natural resources and manifacturing capability?
On the contrary, chemical weapons only kill humans, leaving vast natural resources and factories empty for your taking.
>this is a new level of retardation. seriously how the fuck are you this dumb? Noone is willing to trade or maintain relationships with you on the international stage and you have to completely rely on yourself in every way possible.
And it fucking works, your country is sufficient if you have enough land to farm.

>Every country in history that had anything approaching this happen to it has had its power on the international scene decreased to laughable levels.
You mean like North Korea? Everybody laugh at them and then do what? Nothing.

Kim can go shoot a hooker right now and nothing will be done to him.

>mfw
Nice argument.

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Hear the words i sing.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSvKNQNzc0

>>32654574
Not only is that false, his statement was not exclusively about COIN.

He is still factually incorrect.

>>32654650
His statement prefers to modern war, which is exclusively COIN since the 00s.

>>32654650
>Not only is that false
Point to me some COIN wars that were won without the hard method or total genocide.

>>32654493
>You may develop a new fast spreading disease to use as a bioweapon, except you cannot control who it will infect in today's world.

only if you are stupid enough to make it no race specific....

>>32654646
>vast swathes of empty factories with no workers or people in supporting infrastructure or industry is good
No.
>Your country is sufficient if you have enough land go farm.
Food isn't the only resource and modern people expect more than just bulk sustainance crops.
>Kim can do what he wants.
North Korea only continues to just about function because it suits international players for it to continue in a vaguely stable manner. That's it.

>>32654661
The Malayan Emergency.

>>32654690
>race specific
yes because the vast majority of europe is not populated by caucasians

learn the difference between ethnicity and race, you fuck.

>>32654661
It was not "hard method" or total genocide. It was exclusively "total genocide".

>>32654657
>"modern"
>since 00's

Ahhh, you are just a child then.

>>32654723
>yes because the vast majority of europe is not populated by caucasians learn the difference between ethnicity and race, you fuck.

I know the difference, thank you very much. meanwhile you are using that polyphyletic taxon "caucasian" which has no meaning outside of america.

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A soldier from New York: "The town of Titatia was surrendered to us a few days ago, and two companies occupy the same. Last night one of our boys was found shot and his stomach cut open. Immediately orders were received from General Wheaton to burn the town and kill every native in sight; which was done to a finish. About 1,000 men, women and children were reported killed. I am probably growing hard-hearted, for I am in my glory when I can sight my gun on some dark skin and pull the trigger."

Corporal Sam Gillis: "We make everyone get into his house by seven p.m., and we only tell a man once. If he refuses we shoot him. We killed over 300 natives the first night. They tried to set the town on fire. If they fire a shot from the house we burn the house down and every house near it, and shoot the natives, so they are pretty quiet in town now."

>>32654275
>How much longer are we going to pretend that this isn't the case?

Until the 3rd world shitskin have exterminated europeans.

>>32654291
>64 years since a conventional win.

less than that anon.

>Falklands 1982
>Gulf War 1991
>Second Gulf War 2003

all conventional victories. The latter war was only 'lost' against insurgency

>>32654767
don't forget
>Georgia 2008

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>>32654722
Genocide is cheaper then internment.

Several days later, the survivors were allowed to bury the 642 dead inhabitants of Oradour-sur-Glane who had been killed in just a few hours. Adolf Diekmann said the atrocity was in retaliation for the partisan activity in nearby Tulle and the kidnapping of Helmut Kämpfe.

>>32654776
No, it's not.

>>32654646

>chemical weapons leave vast natural resources and factories empty for your taking
>you just have to be self-sufficient with your own natural resources

Your pro vidya gaem strats don't work in real life, anon.

>>32654646
hahahahahaha what are you going to shoot muslims with hahaha fucking carrots? hahahahaha

>>32654646
>Kim can go shoot a hooker right now and nothing will be done to him.

Any common criminal can go shoot a hooker without worrying about reprisal. It doesn't mean they have any power or influence on international affairs.