Ret. Gen. "Mad Dog" Mattis was quoted in his hearing

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I'll start, I call this the M4ATIGER

Using miniaturizing technology, a soldier loads this bad boy up with a magazine of 30 live tigers. Sent in as a single man, he then fires all rounds into the area of engagement. The tigers give hell and the soldier fucks off.

This is just a rough sketch, so don't get your hopes up.

>>32639528
Anon, you have piqued my interest.
Please continue.

>>32639528
>tigers

Why not Lions?

>>32639528
Is there a DMR version?

So he's going to fire anyone who is fat, or a woman, or non-white?

>>32639628
>lions
>not bald eagles

>>32639582
>>32639628
>>32639639
>>32639671
The M4ATIGER uses tigers instead of lions because have you seen lions? They are lazy as shit. Plus Tigers have a rare enzyme that causes them to become incredibly aggressive and when fired from a rifle.

I thought about bald eagles but being that that bird is endangered, the hippies would be up our asses.

There will be a DMR version with extended range ammo, the only problem is we have to use an animal that can create more of an accurate bullet spin.

>>32639671
>Indian export version fires tigers
>African big game civilian version fires tigers
>American version fires bald eagles
>Bald eagles dosed with methamphetamines for higher effectiveness
>Russia developing AK to fire Russian boars

I think Mattis was interested in 6.8SPC at one point so he may be in favor of a caliber change.

>>32639733
Have you thought about rather irate badgers? Canadian version could fire wolverines. Australian version could fire Tasmanian Devils.

>>32639747
UK legal version fires muslims

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>>32639766
The badger would be a perfect animal for the DMR, its body practically IS a bullet.

>>32639786
>Not firing government approved safety spoons.

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Everything i could think of is against the Geneva convention.

Can we still use nuclear-chemical-biological fused weapons against insurgents?

>>32639805
too offensive to the fats and foodgenders

>>32639786
Why does the UK get grenade launchers?

>>32639806
It would be a waste not to.

This is also a no holds barred thread discussion, the Geneva convention is off the table.

>>32639803
Badgers fuck shit up, too

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>>32639528
Can we get a libertarian version that shoots snakes?

>>32639628
>lions
>packs of them struggle to take down prey
>tigers
>singular, 800 pound murder trucks that have no problem fucking anything up

>>32639478
The DARPA apiary is currently working on a project that reflects our current strategy of arming rebels to fight hostile regimes.

Africanized bees are converted to Islam. The queen of the nest is a CIA plant who takes her orders directly from a clandestine beekeeper. US troops currently fighting insurgents will "leave behind" nectar and foundation beeswax to arm the "freedom fighter" bees.

Once the hive of "peaceful" oppressed bees is established, orders will be relayed to the Queen that the democratically elected dictator has declared the bees' particular version of Islam heresy and is committing atrocities against civilians. The Queen will command the hive to remove the regime at all costs. The "moderate rebel" bees will carry out a relentless jihad against the regime.

Then we sell EpiPens to the dictator at a premium price.

>>32639848
not all of them explode

most just squat in your house, wash their balls in your sink and cut your head off for being intolerant

>>32639889
So why not literally shit in the magazine and start firing?

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>>32639913
I detect a new weapon to develop.

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>>32639876

>>32639992
I'm upset that I had a hand in this.

>>32639913
too insulting to fecalgenders

>>32639733
>I thought about bald eagles but being that that bird is endangered, the hippies would be up our asses.
I think tigers are pretty endangered as well.
This would only make sense if tiger cloning was cheap and numerous, and only tigers could be cloned in such a cheap and fast way.

>>32640114
Tigers are for the battle rifle, house cats are the assault rifle version our military will use.

>>32640114
The only endangering thing about tigers is how in danger you are if someone is shooting this at you.

>>32639992
>The latrine machine

>>32639806
What the everloving fuck?

>>32642051
some chemical agent effect on new born calf

>>32640114
How about salt water crocodiles instead?

Australia has plenty of those brutal fuckers around, plus they can deny the enemy access to water resources afterwards.

Just adopt the damn AK already.

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.950 JDJ everywhere.

>>32642370
You have 5 seconds to explain why an AK is superior to an M4

>>32642441
Folding stock.

>>32642461
You can't base your entire process for picking a rifle based on which one has a folding stock

>>32642468
AK is equal to the M16, just that AK can into folding stock but M16 can't.

Thus AK is better.

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Here are some twisted ideas

>Phosphorus ammo & shotgun shells
>napalm shotgun shells
>HEAT in small arm size/shotgun size
>HESH in small arm size/shotgun size
>liquid nitrogen or dry ice ammo/shotgun shells

And lastly

>airdrop a hundred rabid raccoons onto desired target
>roomclear by tossing a flailing crazed swordfish inside
>torture methods by submerging subject in container of rats

>>32642470
I thought night /k/ was supposed to be better than day/k/are

>>32642470
M4 is equal to ak just that ak has reciprocating charging handle and m4 does not.

Thus m4 is better.

>>32642476
What do you mean?
>>32642478
>reciprocating charging handle
A plus for the AK.

>>32642476
It's not a school night, kiddies are staying up.

>>32642489
Why do you hate the AK, man?

>>32642470
M16 is equal to the AK, just that M16 can into bolt hold open, smooth mag exchange and bolt release facilitating quick reloads, and AK cannot without monkeying your arms around.

Thus M16 is better.

>>32642510
The reload difference between AR and AK are minimal.

Folding stock adds to mobility i.e. being able to put an AK into a small/medium bag, or you are in vehicle.

>>32642519
But you're just disregarding the fact that the entire country's tooling for making and repairing rifles is based around the M4, the 5.56 round is made domestically in much larger numbers than 7.62x39 or 5.45, and if it's not broke don't fix it.

Not hating on the AK, I like it and I have one, but the argument just doesn't make sense.

>>32642519
>>32642566
We aren't just going to change everything to gain a folding stock

>>32642566
So it's just an infrastructure problem, the AK is the 2nd most popular semi-auto rifle in the US, I'm sure we can manage.

>>32642498
>I think the M4 is better than an AK
>"Why do you hate the AK man"
Kys

>>32642578
Me, I love the AK.

It's just so simple but badass looking.

If the AR is a sword, the AK is an axe.

Only thing I hate about it is it's invented by a communist, a christian and patriotic communist, mind you.

>>32642576
Mostly an infrastructure problem I guess, but the M4 is a symbol of America. Switching to the AK would be a massive propaganda hit. Switching to the guns of our enemies would be just as weird as Russia getting rid of AKs and switching everything out for M4s.

>The AK is also heavier and has more recoil, more suited to close combat than farther engagements, and 7.62 doesn't shoot as flat

>>32642606
I don't see ruskies switching to M4 because AK is superior to M4.

I can see americans switching to AK if they get over their muh Stoner shit though, you can add a lot of star and stripes into the AK to make it 'murican.

>The AK is also heavier and has more recoil, more suited to close combat than farther engagements, and 7.62 doesn't shoot as flat
Just use 5.45 or even 5.56 AK.

The poles make breddy gud 5.56 AK.

>>32642631
Maybe if it's 5.56, and maybe if it also has bolt hold open, bolt release, and select fire. If it doesn't have all those and a chrome lined barrel, forgetaboutit

Even then, MAYBE, because it would be very expensive to switch all of our infrastructure out to gain a folding stock.

Won't ever happen though, there's no way our military command would support switching to AK. It's also a business thing. Colt is as American as you can get.

>>32642646
It's really weird as it is considering the americans are already using italian handguns, german SMG, belgian MGs, swedish recoil rifles, south african 'nade launcher and such...

You only need the AK to be made in America, my dood.

>>32642631
Empty 5.45 AK-74 is the same weight as an loaded M4.

Ak a shit.

>>32642654
Mattis hates russia, so there goes that plan.

Ar platform is superior anyways. Proof is evident; russians have been trying to make the AK into an AR...more intermediate cartridge, more modularity, etc.

>>32642654
Good point, but good luck convincing command to listen

>>32639747
African version should fire rhinos.

>>32642673
Mattis is a Cold Warrior, he has much to learn.

And the newest AK still use the same damn design except now with rail.

>more intermediate cartridge
This is true though.

>>32639478
Hey guys, why don't we just make our M4's shoot .50 cal?

>>32642681
>expecting a 60 year old retired marine to go back on his word or """"change"""".

Nope. Russia is fucked. Those russiboos who supported trump based on a meme about russia are full retard.

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>>32639806
Honestly, I think there are cases where chemical weapons would be perfectly justified. Like ISIS-held oil infrastructure in Iraq, for instance. Better than destroying it with conventional weapons...

>>32642698
He is already changed on the iranian affair.

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>>32639867
>When you shoot a Gadsden Snake at your opponent but, in doing so, violate the NAP so the snake decides to kill you instead

>>32642702
He really didnt, just changed focus to fucking russia.

You are in the first stage of grief, buddy.

On mattis's conformation hearings, he absolutely shit on russia. Those hearings set the stage for that positions (whatever it is) tenure.

He even laid out his "fuck russia" plan.

If you are a russian, or a russioboo, and you shilled for trump based on the meme, for fucks sake im sorry buddy, you made a grave error.

Mattis straight up supports us bases in the baltic states.

>>32642606
>The AK is also heavier and has more recoil, more suited to close combat than farther engagements, and 7.62 doesn't shoot as flat

AK-74 has less recoil impulse than the M16/M4 though. the AKM have more and shooting not as flat as 556 is a result of the bullet. If you really want to compare rifle, you have to compare then chambered for the same round...

AK pattern rifles are perfect for conscripted soldiers who shoot iron sights mostly and have little marksmanship training and are not ususally issued optics, lasers and lights.

AR pattern rifles of the current incarnation are for more well trained marksman soldiers who are issued modern optics and often additional lasers and lights.

>>32642722
He used to hate the iranian so fucking much, now he wants to maintain the Iran deal.

Much things would be changed.

>>32642727
I can agree on that. The world is set in its ways though.

>>32642748
I don't know, looks to me as if the world follows this pattern for the most part. There ar eonly a few outliers breaking the combo and that just non-countries countryballing hard: L85, G36, SCAR, that new polish crap... all of it useless trash. AKs and ARs are the only rifles that should/need to exist.

>>32642739
No, he said he understood the rational behind the deal, but it was still a mistake, and badly flawed and the ONLY reason why america should maintain the deal is because "when america gives its word, it should keep it".

The best part about this back and forth is you cant even argue that mattis wishes to fuck russia, you just keep strawmanning on a point you are intentionally takeing out of context.

Mattis entire European plan can be succinctly described as "fuck russia".

>>32642727
Literally strap optics to AK and it would do the same shit as an AR.

The problem with optics is that modern ruskies are poor, their shock troops are almost always equipped with otpics for example.

>>32642761
In my opinion guns like Tavors are what the future will look like. Eventually M4s and AKs will look aged and outdated like an M1 Garand rifle does now

>>32642773
Bullpups are literally shit, anon.

The real future is piston conventional gun i.e. piston AR and AK.

Create a new low cost unguided 100lb bomb with a new rack that holds 20 of them, then carpet bomb with those instead of using PGMs

I don't know what fucking purpose it would serve but I kinda wanna see an alpha strike done with them

>>32642441
beefier parts, looser tolerances, cheaper and easier to manufacture, better operating system, folding stock.

>>32642778
Oh god no, you and I are opposites in that train of thought, anon.

The only people that hate bullpups are those that don't want anyone to ever think that there is evolution beyond the M4.
You'll eventually be outdated, anon. The only thing that is constant is change.

>>32642765
So if Trump gives his word, Mattis is gonna follow it?

>>32642787
You are a 80s time traveler, ain't ya?

>>32642790
AK and M4 are from the 50's though

>>32642800
I'm talking about that 80s phase where the Aug comes out and everybody predict bullpups are gonna overtake the market.

Thankfully enough, it's not the future we live in.

>>32642478
But of course, everyone knows that having a separate 5 piece charging handle, a 4 piece forward assist and 3 channels and 2 notches to machine into the upper is so much better than having a handle forged into the bolt carrier.

>>32642807
Plenty of countries have taken that step forward, like Israel slowly transitioning from M4s and Galils to Tavors and X95s

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>>32642770
>Literally strap optics to AK and it would do the same shit as an AR.

No.

>The problem with optics is that modern ruskies are poor, their shock troops are almost always equipped with otpics for example.

And the optics don't work with the rifle but againt it because they are an afterthought that was added to a design that does not lend itself to be used with optics. The M-16 had to have the carry handle removed to work as well as it does today. The AK's receiver would have to be changed from open top to closed top for it to work as well. Remedial action in case of failure is hindered by the side rail mounted optics. If you have a case back in the trigger group you are fucked.

>>32642773
>In my opinion guns like Tavors are what the future will look like.

Ok, so why doesn't the Tavor, AUG et al. displace the M$ right now? They aren't good guns. Their ergonomics suck, their triggers aren't really improveable etc. etc.

>Eventually M4s and AKs will look aged and outdated like an M1 Garand rifle does now

And then there is the M14, a minor mod of the M1, still being used today. I don't think they will age. The AR will be streamlined further and the Russians will continue to try to upgrade the AK ala AK12 and continue to fail with it because the design does not lend itself to being made into a high precision, multi gadget gun. The AK is an "irun sites" and will remain such. And in that role, it's as good as you can get.

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>>32642785
>heavy AF
BTFO
i could hump one all day, but I'm /fit/
enlisted men are hungry skellies at best, specops would just choose whatever they wanted anyway.

>>32642814
Plenty of countries are re-using the conventional rifles instead of Topics though.

>>32642816
>They aren't good guns.

That's purely a matter of opinion and you know it.

>>32642788
Trump is not "america", nor would mattis agree to anything he personally has a hand in, that he does not believe.

>>32642824
>rifles instead of bullpups though.

>>32642829
Trump speaks behalf of America, and if Senates votes yes, then America just approves of it.

>that he does not believe.
He already doesn't believe in the Iran deal, but he still wishes to keep it.

>>32642785

None of which make your enemies more deader.

Also
>better operating system

no.

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>>32642816
The poles are already mass-using AK with optics without problem.

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>>32642825
>That's purely a matter of opinion and you know it.

No. The L85 is a sheetmetal AK abomination just woithout all the shit that makes the AK so great. it can't accept optics, lasers or light well. shit. And similar shit applies to the SCAR, the G36, the AUG and all the rest. they are made by nonwar fighting nations mostly for job generating purposes. I am convinved there will be M4s going to Mars.

>>32642839
>Trump speaks behalf of America, and if Senates votes yes, then America just approves of it.

IF, when mattis is their man. If mattis says no go, its a congressional no go on military matters. They already waved standard procedure to get him in.

Say it with me now. "Russia. Is. Fucked."

>>32642816
>Ok, so why doesn't the Tavor, AUG et al. displace the M$ right now? They aren't good guns.

>And then there is the M14, a minor mod of the M1, still being used today.

Want to know how I know you don't know what you think you know?

>>32642850
>The L85 is a sheetmetal AK abomination

wut?

> t. it can't accept optics, lasers or light well. shit. And similar shit applies to the SCAR, the G36,
>SCAR

FUCKING WUT!?

>>32642852
If everybody except Mattis still keeps US troops in the Baltics, there would be US troops in the Baltics?

>>32642850
I was taking you seriously until I read this post.

>>32642862
The construction method of the L85 is as "primitive" as that of the AKM.

>>32642864
Has anyone ever decided to do what more like?

>>32642864
>So if everybody except Mattis agrees to not keep US troops in the Baltics, there would be still US troops in the Baltics?

>>32642816
>Remedial action in case of failure is hindered by the side rail mounted optics. If you have a case back in the trigger group you are fucked.
Are you stupid ? To access that all you need is to push the sring button, lift the cover 3mm and it's off, and you have full unrestricted access to the whole receiver.The only reason why you might have to remove the optic is if you want to take the bolt carrier out, and even then you can do it with the military bases.
>>32642840
Actually it does, because if you have to waste time babysitting your rifle then you aren't killing the enemy.
But of course, a locking system that gets defeated by a bee is so much better.

>>32642874
See
>>32642873

Shit is still a carwreck of a question.

>>32642872
That's fucking wrong.

It's not even the same piston.

>>32642872

The stamped exterior? Because it uses AR18 guide rods? And can save weight because of it?

It's a shit gun, but that's not why.

>>32642887
You understand perfectly what it means.

Mattis is sec def, but he can't go against Trump.

>>32642868
>I was taking you seriously until I read this post.
Sorry to hear that. Looks like people here don't really care for or know how awesome and capable an M4gery with a free float barrel, low profile gas block, carbon fiber rail, match trigger and a small holosight can be.

>>32642872
Oh look, another cretin that doesn't know that L85 is literally nothing more than a bullpup AR-18.

>>32642886

You know what really makes your enemy die?

Hitting them consistently.

Having your weapon function as intended consistently.

>Actually it does, because if you have to waste time babysitting your rifle then you aren't killing the enemy.

This is a nonsense statement.

>>32642886
>Are you stupid ? To access that all you need is to push the sring button, lift the cover 3mm and it's off, and you have full unrestricted access to the whole receiver.The only reason why you might have to remove the optic is if you want to take the bolt carrier out, and even then you can do it with the military bases.

I can see you've never hand an AK bolt override malf.

>>32642902
I care more about my Arsenal bruh, with my Vepr-12.

>>32642902
>Sorry to hear that. Looks like people here don't really care for or know how awesome and capable an M4gery with a free float barrel, low profile gas block, carbon fiber rail, match trigger and a small holosight can be.

Exactly as awesome and capable as one without any of that shit.

I'm sure it's a very pretty Barbie, though.

>>32642895
>That's fucking wrong. It's not even the same piston.

I said the construction method, not the working principle. Why post if you can't comprehend written language?

>>32642907
Let me guess - you have never fired a rifle outside of a range, far away from your cleaning supplies, you have never had to carry it more than a few metres and you have definitely never had to sleep right next to it on a bed of wet leaves and then use it straight away.

>>32642916
So you literally hate stamped rifles?

>>32642916

No, what you said is

>The L85 is a sheetmetal AK abomination just woithout all the shit that makes the AK so great. it can't accept optics, lasers or light well.

The backpedaling came later.

Also

> it can't accept optics, lasers or light well.

Neither can an AK. They're all jerry-rigs. Even the optic is a fucking afterthought.

>>32642905
>Oh look, another cretin that doesn't know that L85 is literally nothing more than a bullpup AR-18.

And both are shit. Demonstrably. The AR18 wouldn't have made it out of Vietnam alive with that charging handle...

>>32642899
Mattis has already went against trump on about damn near everything. Allies with saudis, NATO, russia, iran nuke deal.

And no, shit is a god damn puzzle of a question. For example, who the fuck is "everybody ". Does angola have troops in the baltic?

On every rhetoric and logical level you need to unfuck yourself

>>32642908
No, because i never owned shitty out-of-spec US made AK's, only slav military made ones.

>>32642927
No. I said I'd take the AK above if I were in the scenario where it fits best. The L85 is badly made with pre-legacy tools and materials and does not offer the same simplicity, reliability and manual of arms like the AK. Therefore it's shit.

>>32642928
>The backpedaling came later.
The backpadling is imagined by you.

> it can't accept optics, lasers or light well.
>Neither can an AK. They're all jerry-rigs. Even the optic is a fucking afterthought.

Which is exactly what I criticized about the AK above. Jesus.

>>32642921

Wrong, but I'm sure it won't convince you. And I've seen AKs fuck up when no other rifle could.

But sure, 'loose tolerances' and 'beefy parts' doesn't just mean heavy and filled with shit.

Also

>Not maintaining your weapon in the field if it needs it.

It's like you want to die.

>>32642951

If that's not what you mean, then you need to learn how to diagram a fucking sentence.

>>32642936
>No, because i never owned shitty out-of-spec US made AK's, only slav military made ones.

Good for you. Where do you live? Kawkazistan? Are you some churka warlord? Because Russians can't own AK without being crimelords....

>>32639478
100% mechanization, every man has his own tank even with the difficulties it imposes.

>>32642962

Not even that guy, but

Saiga, dipshit.

Vepr.

Literally any Russian or post-Sovbloc exporter.

You are like a little baby.

>>32642962
Eastern Europe. And they can, they just need to get permission for it, and you need big connections for that.

This thread went to shit.

>>32643062
ofc, rifles are like gfs. ppl hate it when somebody comes along and tells them their gf is uggo.

>>32642717
The perfect weapon. It only kills criminals.

>>32639478
I just want to know

did mattis becoming secdef make marines everywhere more obnoxious

>>32639651
yes, absolutely

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>>32639478
Just give everyone a M27

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>>32639528
>>32639628
why not both?

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Enough of this meme cartridge bullshit and just go back to 7.62 Real fucking NATO. And then develop a caseless/cased telesopic version of it and call it a day until direct energy weapons come along in several decades. I'm fucking sick and tired of all of this 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .300 Blackout bullshit that's been discussed since the early 2000's. Just stick with the cartridge that has given its users 100% confidence for that past half century. Make a bullpup if overall length is a problem. Or a rifle that can take different barrel lengths and weights with minimum effort.

>>32645626
Overpowered for the average infantryman's needs, high recoil, heavy

>>32639528
how do we exfill the tigers after they have complete the mission in place of the soldier?
do the tigers wear a Fulton surface-to-air recovery system so that we can sky hook them out of the combat zone?