What does /k/ think about Germany's new rifle? Steyr &

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>>32612645

or rather Germany's new rifle in 2019.

>>32612645
>Steyr & Rheinmetall RS556

Kek

Not even the Nazis from the future can make a better weapon than the Stoner AR15.

Ugly.

>>32612657

The exclusive article (in german) I'm reading states it is based upon the hurr durr worldwide established construction principle of the AUG

>>32612645
Not confirmed, just submitted
HK 416 is still favored

>>32612676

I think the RS556 is actually currently favored because of the compatibility with the german infantry computer system among other things, such as ensured reliability (through some weird thing they call an "emergency-running-program" in cold and hot weather.

Germanies ministry of defence is also simply unlikely to be willing to give H&K another contract.

>>32612645
What do they mean with fast changing barrel?

>>32612645
Should have just bought more G-36s with the export specs instead of the gimped German army ones.

Also the G-36K is the most aesthetically pleasing modern rifle ever invented. What are you talking about?

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>>32612712

>Also the G-36K is the most aesthetically pleasing modern rifle ever invented.

>>32612706

you can twist the barrel out in a single movement and exchange it for longer barrels (I don't think they got a 14 inch barrel for it)

>>32612720
You think that goofy looking AUG style 4x with that ungodly hight over bore is attractive?

>>32612733

>implying I can't put any optics I want on that fucking rail

>>32612645

pretty bitchin rifle there boyo

curious how that muzzle device works and if steyr will be cool enough to release those plastic mags and this optic to the public so i can mount my T2 ontop of it like austria fish man

>>32612645
Is that doohickey near the muzzle a bayonet lug?

Im surprised they still have some semblance of testicles to include one. I figure they would go full numale anti-bayonet

>>32612645

It's Steyr's attempt to stay relevant when buyers the of the AUG are likely going to drop it in the near future. By the looks if it, they might be using some of the same tooling to save costs.

Not that I'm complaining. I'll buy the shit out of it if it ever gets released in the US.

>>32612645

I like it better than the G36 but not by much

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>>32612752

more austrian fishman for your viewing pleasure

>>32612712
>G36K
>not the FAL
kys

Looks like the kind of rifle you see at Shot Show from some small company trying to make a buck on Atlantic Firearms.

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This is the rifle which it is based off.
STM556

>>32612835

"The STM-556 rifle features a peculiar hybrid system between a gas piston and a Steyr AUG-style gas block, making barrel change easier."

This is what I found about the old one. But I guess the new one uses a system like that aswell

>>32612645
easily the ugliest rifle I have ever seen in my life. and to top it off it's yet another fucking AR knockoff. jesus fuck

why are rails getting so fucking long? why are there so many? no one is EVER going to use all that shit

>>32612853

nigga you are aware that the handguard isn't really that long and it's got 2 rails? no side rails?

the one down there is important for the m203

>>32612835

oh golly gosh, if they made this shit a quick barrel change AR that would be fucking radical

i could keep my optics all set up and switch between 18" and 10.5" barrels that would be neato burrito

I think it's pretty and angular

it would fit in Star Wars, if anything

>>32612645
>Germany ditches their futuristic plastic wunderwaffe
>for an AR-15
top kek

>>32612645
>Buy Steyr
>Not AUG
I guess its supposed to be modular and have tons of parts
But the AUG whit the heavy barrel was already a LMG

>piston operated
>doesnt just use a fucking folding + adjustable stock

why?

>>32612705
>compatibility with the german infantry computer system
What compatibility? It's a piston AR with rails
And they just gave HK the MG5 contract

>>32612645
Whats the deal with the giant optics?

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>>32613086
steyr has always been autistic about shoving their shitty scopes with their rifles.

>>32612645
Monolithic upper receiver? Nein.

>>32612705
You have no fucking clue about german procurement. They are going to pick another HK to keep the company going.

>that optic

Trying real hard to hide my boner

>>32613129
>Swarovski
>shitty

>>32612653
what kind of scope and mount setup is that?

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>>32613196
wow! such amazing! so revolutionary! look at all the features! ground breaking 1.5x optics!

>>32613295
It's from the 70s, you fucking mong. That's not the optic you see above. Even so that thing is amazing compared to other 1970s low power optics.

>>32612645
austrian here. maybe soon I will get to have my own M4gery too ;_;

>>32612645
it's german only in name and distribution

so the krauts will buy it instead of HK 416s

>>32613428
Except it's an AUG on an AR style lower.

>>32613446
would be ebin if it can be put on any ar15 lower but I doubt it. in any case, I'm stoked. AUG action is bomb proof. would like to see the internals though. could be running a regular AR15 bcg and buffer too....

>>32613472
If they made it take AUG magazines I'd buy one.

>>32612645
i can't see the ar-15 in there, and i'm happy about it

>>32613489
why? AUG mags cost 60€ and more. it's literal extortion of our very own COLT welfare tax money queens. People here are praying for MAGPUL mags.... that aside, AUG mags are shit compared to AR mags.

>>32612675
Link?

Are Austrians super Germans?

>>32613513
AUG magazines are amazing compared to shitty AR-15 magazines. They're tough and shit and I've never had a malfunction related to them. They are the GOAT. Cheaper here, though, sucks for you Euros.

>>32613533
They're slaves to Germany

>>32613546

is that why they make better handguns

>>32612645
>that goofy looking optic

>>32613555
Yes. Germany steals things from Austria and sells it as their own.

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>>32613555
Yes. Must deliver best handgun product to massa' or else massa' angry ;_;

>>32613536
I disagree. aug and mags are the best euro service rifle but they still fall well behind the AR and AK.

>>32613571

turned out pretty well for the HK P7 huh

just want to remind everyone that glocks have been around since the 80s and HK pistols are just fading trends

>>32612966
Juat because it has a piston doesn't mean it doesn't have a buffer tube

>>32613590
You can disagree all you want, AR magazines are a compromise for 5.56 while AUG magazines are not. The AUG magazines curve at the proper angle for the taper of 5.56. Some AK 5.56 magazines are nice, too.

>>32612645
>piston AR-15 with AUG barrel and reflex sight
why didn't they just use the HK416?

>>32613618
I'd guess EU-fuckery. Steyr are a fine manufaturer, but there'll be some clause in the EU that means small arms procurement has to be offered to multiple builders across the EU.

The Germans would have preferred a wholly German rifle but they will have been forced by their own legislation to explore other options, and in return the Austrians will be expected to procure more German gear.

word is that the British have sent out feelers to the non-EU EU countries for their next service rifle, after something with FN fell through.

>>32613295
>wow! such amazing! so revolutionary! look at all the features! ground breaking 1.5x optics!
it was actually, back in 1977. probably the best rifle available from 1977 to the mid 2000s to be honest. now that we've got pmags and all kinds of Gucci for the AR it's finally showing it's old age.

>>32613638
>word is that the British have sent out feelers to the non-EU EU countries for their next service rifle, after something with FN fell through.
So what a US based gun manufacture?
I can't think of any other country that produces quality firearms chambered for NATO rounds that isn't in the EU.

>>32613536
lol wut? The AUG mags were THE 5.56 magazine and were only knocked off it's pedestal by the ubiquity of the AR15 mag that finally became useable with the release of PMAGs.

>>32613618
It's not a piston AR, it's an AUG turned into an upper for an AR style lower.

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>>32612645
How much does it run and are they going to be offered for sale in Los Estados Unidos?

>>32613638
>>32613699
>UK couldn't produce a gun even if they wanted to

pretty much a non-country. should go with COLT made M-4s.

>>32613724
>The AUG mags were THE 5.56 magazine
That's what I said, keep up. It was never knocked off of its pedestal.

>>32613734
you make it sound like colt M4s are shitty conscript rifles

>>32613735
I meant to quote >>32613513 and they most definitely were a evidenced by every design using AR15 mags and not the AUG's.

>>32613167
>Monolithic upper receiver? Nein.
would you rather have a separate forend that attaches to the barrel and ruins accuracy?

>>32613766
Plenty of mediocre shit becomes popular. People want cheap magazines and the AR-15 magazines are just not shit enough for the price that everyone wants to shove them into everything but their asses.

>>32613769
You can have a free floated handguard that's not monolithic.

>>32613762
>you make it sound like colt M4s are shitty conscript rifles

When made by COLT they are. Windham Waeponry makes better guns.

>>32613805
I own a colt AR and its never once given me any problem or performance issue

>>32613805
Wow, disregarding everything you say now.

>>32612645
sexy i like it

>>32612645
I want one of those optics

>>32613900
>if only you knew WW is Shrubmaster when Shrubmaster was still good....

>>32613987
Yea, that's what they were saying back in, what, 2012? And like I said back then, Bushmaster was never good.

>>32613993
>Bushmaster was never good.
but WW is. DD can't even come close. and don't call me poorfag cause I'm an eurofag and 1000$ up or down means jack shit to us when buying a gun.

>>32612957
They should use the G11 and impress the world with their Kraut Space Magic

>>32612645
>>32612681
>Folding stock

Now, that'd be a dream. I like the AUG elements and the low-profile piston, I do. I think it's a vast improvement on similar systems. I've also always thought it was dumb as fuck that most pistol AR's kept the fixed buffer, because to me that's one of the chief advantages of a piston system.

That doesn't look like a folding stock in either picture. Got a source for that?

>>32614035
0/10 man, be more subtle. Going after Colt was way more believable because it was the same argument in 2012.

>>32614061
>Going after Colt

What? I suggested UKuckistan go with them. The fuck?

>>32613533
They are Germany's Mexico, but theyve been best buds forever and only get serious in a war. Denmark is their and all of Europe's Canada.

>>32613529
http://www.rheinmetall.com/de/rheinmetall_ag/press/news/latest_news/details_10176.php

Honestly, why does nobody on /k/ googles shit, I feel like half the topics have someone asking for a link for something the OP mentioned.

>>32612645
HK must be so pissed

Does it use G36 style magazines for better logistics or does it use its own AUG mags so Steyr gets as much money as they possibly can?

>>32614078
Once you start contradicting yourself, you can't save it. Sorry, man.

>>32614113
HK AR magazines, it looks like.

>>32612645
can't wait for the australians to make their own version

>>32613572
holy fucking shit, it literally took me a minute to understand, that the quote was part of the picture.
fuck my brain

>>32612645
Looks nice,I like the scope. the clear mags looks like crap though.
Stock be too short unless you can adjust it or swap it like barrels.

Still looks distinct enough.

>>32612645
expect it to be in all futuristic movies for 15 years

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>>32612645
how does one change the (hot) barrel without the grip mounted to the gas system?

>>32614191
Soldiers can change the stock length manually.

>Die längenverstellbare Kunststoff-Schulterstütze rastet in sieben Positionen ein

>>32614214
>expect it to be in all futuristic movies for 15 years

implying anyone can tell it apart from a regular AR-15 when probably 60% of /k/ can't....

>>32612645
>Piston
>Adjustable gas (by hand)
>Quick change barrel

It's like they're mocking the USMC decision to trial the HK416 as a SAW

My only issue with it is, why did they keep the buffer tube!?

>>32614221
quick change barrel is a meme. nice af on the AUG for transport and cleaning though. fits in a tennis bag.

>>32614246
probably has something to due with the fuckhuge metal guiderods on the AUG. do any of you niggers actually own guns?

>>32614248
>quick change barrel is a meme

no and it would be great to have different length barrels in different spins for different ammo.

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>>32612645
hey guise, let's take an AR-15, make it piston driven and give it a quick change barrel system that will limit it's modularity!

fuck yeah! we don't want parts compatiblity with those filthy peasant AR-15s everywhere anyway.

>>32614230
Good stuff then.
It's a nice looking rifle, other than the clear mags.

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>>32614319
shit nigga making them not compatible is smart biz
means everything will have to be bought from steyr and rheinmetall

Does this mean we're gonna get g36 parts kits out the ass or will Germany just destroy them all?

>>32614413
Sent them to the Kurds as " Military Support"

>>32612645
they need some fake competition to give the contract to HK. With the french switching to the hk416 it would be the canonical choice.
Competition:
> RS556
> SIG 556
> HK 416
HK wins, because they bribe the right people.

>>32614319
>fuck yeah! we don't want parts compatiblity with those filthy peasant AR-15s everywhere anyway.

what parts are incompatible? as it stands just barrels. BCG, charging handle, muzzle devices, trigger group, grips and mags probably still all are compatible. or at least there is no reason to assume they are not based on the intel provided so far. and the monolithic rail-upper assembly is exactly what loads of top tier ARs are trying to emulate with a shitload of bolts between the rail and upper.

>>32613638
F88 for Britain?

>>32614424
Good, maybe the Kurds will sell them then.

>>32614441
>wanting a G36 in the land of infinte AR-15

you are a fag.

>>32614221
the quick change feature is not used for changing barrels when hot

but for extremely fast takedown

hell the procedure for showing that the rifle is clear means taking out the barrel and shoving the empty chamber into the DI's face

>>32614577
echt? wost nit sogst... mogst ma nit mea vazön' vom STG77?

>>32614623
geh scheissn

>>32614469
How dare you wish to be unique and have a reliable snowflake rifle! With a gas piston operating system and polymer mags that clip to each other for easy storage or doubled up mags for faster reloads and lets forget about the integrated 1x and 4x sights in the carry handle.

>>32614374
Smart for Steyr
not smart for Bundeswehr

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>>32614689
>and polymer mags that clip to each other for easy storage or doubled up mags for faster reloads

all you need for that is some tape you unimaginative consumerist pig.

>>32614745
I recently had an opportunity to fondle a SIG rifle, and I have to say that I prefer the snap-together mags to jungle-taped mags. Also, when you want to undo them later, there is less sticky crap. Snap-together is just superior to tape in every way.

>>32614899
>I recently had an opportunity to fondle a SIG rifle, and I have to say that I prefer the snap-together mags to jungle-taped mags. Also, when you want to undo them later, there is less sticky crap. Snap-together is just superior to tape in every way.

Until the snap junctions break and ruin a 40+$ mag. Nice. Also that shit sticks out and fucks with most chest rigs. nah, give me regular mags and tape. I have WD-40 to clean them if need be.

>>32612729
sounds like a good spot to make it wobbly like the g36

>>32613734
The British have had AR pattern rifles in service longer than anyone else.

>>32614997
>The British have had AR pattern rifles in service longer than anyone else.

are they domestically produced?

>>32613698
As soon as the M4 came out it was obsolete.

>>32614425
>> RS556
>> SIG 556
>> HK 416
They all seem like good choices.

>>32615006
What does that have to do with anything? They've had them on the books for 56 years in various forms and have never considered adopting them totally.

>>32615034
Because they are a failure. compare Lahndan
56 years back with Lahndan today and tell me I'm wrong.

>>32612653
It looks, wonky. Like the scope is too high or something. Can't put my finger on it...

I un ironically like it, also G36 parts kit when?

>>32615276
HK already tried exporting civvie G36s, but Germany's idiotic laws prevented them. I doubt that's changed since.

>>32615600
They could always open up a mfg plant in the US, export the fancy parts and build the recievers here.
Or they could just pull a SIG and build all their US Domestic market shit here.

>>32615600
I really dislike Sigmar Gabriel because of his retarded stance on weapon imports/exports.

>>32615704
what moron would pick a G36 over an AR? Sure, there a one or two of them here but I don't believe the market is big enough to warrant that...

>>32613513
AUG mags are like $20-25

>>32615764
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6254116

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6255141

>>32612645
what the god damn fuck is this abomination?

>>32615779
Come on euro shit.
http://www.44mag.com/category/steyr

>>32615847
Damn they dropped the prices a bit. I need to buy some more.

Bunch of bullshit that's not happening. Also, fuck the M203.

>>32614430

There's no way the BCG is going to be compatable. It needs to have a large rod extending out to contact the piston in the barrel's gas block.

That said, I do agree with everyone complaining about the buffer tube. There's no reason for it when it's using the AUG's mechanism. The recoil spring should really be placed in the rod I mentioned.

>>32613698
Well, no it really wasn't. I mean AUGs are good. OK. But they have their role, which is primarily compact rifles fit for stowage. The M16A1 (and later variants) and any standard config AR180 knockoff rifle are as good for the average infantryman if not better.

Features like the progressive trigger and quick change barrel make more sense on a SAW than on an infantry rifle. That would probably explain why most rifles have selector switches and require a few more steps to change the barrel, since the machining costs for ensuring tight tolerances that yield a relatively accurate quick change barrel as on an AUG aren't worth it.

At this point, if anyone can't figure out why everyone is copying the AR15 and AR180 design and largely abandoning bullpups except for a few oddballs, it's because the winners have all shaken out. It's not economical (so reckon the bean counters) to outfit 100,000 infantry with decent triggers and good optics on a milspec bullpup rifle. There's actually some sense to this if it means the men get more range time because the budget allows for it.

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>>32614424
>sent to ISIS as "humanitarian aid"
NATO doesn't like the Kurds. That may start to change under President Trump, but Turkey and the Saudis and their friends in NATO and EU governments try to prevent the Kurds from getting anywhere.

>>32612645
Looks like an ar with that fugly steyr scope mount.

Whoopy

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>>32614221
Something like this.

>>32616185
the Kurds aren't isis

>>32615747
>why would people want y when we already have x
>why do people buy CETMEs, FALs, etc...
Let me guess, you own a S&W M&P 15, Glock 19 and a Mossberg 500 nothing more, that's all you need after all.

>>32615747
let me guess, you are American?

>>32613196
They really are thought. 1.5x magnification is utter cancer and so is that fucking reticle

>>32612957
most of the /k/ameraden at the Bundeswehr would prefer a G36a2, but it's not about the soldier it's about the economy.

>>32615276
>>32615600
what is hk 243

>>32616637
it must suck to be ameripoor

>>32612957
>>32612960

The rifle is actually a non-bullpup AUG with AR-15 style ergonomics.

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>>32616245
NATO has been supporting ISIS since day 1, while the Kurds have been fucked over by everybody. It's all been a sham.

>>32612645
>9.25lbs loaded
sounds a bit much.....

No integrated BUIS like a Steyr Scout.... looks like a basicbitch M4 with a shortstroke piston strapped on.

Why didn't they just adopt the 416? They at least shoulda went roller-delayed blowback like their german ways.....

>>32616859
Looking back, I still question why they went for the G36 over the G41 or HK33E (which they should have switched to decades before), but I guess the crappy plastic construction and AR18 operation they sold as "futuristic" was even cheaper than folded and stamped sheet metal.

>>32612657
Kek

>>32612645
Looks like another example of an excellent but probably horrendously over built and complicated German machine. Pretty much part for them. Lets see if it has a better track record then any of the other Warmachines the Germans have cranked out over the years

>>32613805
I do like WW

>>32616832
vlatnik read a different newspaper from time to time

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Daily reminder that a well designed roller delayed blowback rifle (HK33s are trash) would be superior in almost every way to shitty gas driven guns.

>>32612916
that would depend entirely upon if there's POI shift between barrel changes.

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>>32617573
>t.HK fancuck

>>32614926
>wobbly g36

Wat ?

You ever shot and handled a g36 ?

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>>32612645
>AR's replace anything HK.
Will fucking aliens invade already? I want to see jammed AR's in a pile, while their users get anal probed.

>>32618492
>t. Kalishnicuck

>>32618492

You realize HK is putting forward an AR as well

It's kind of comical at this point

>In the 80s everyone thought the future was bullpups
>turns out the future is ARs

>>32617573
>robust
>reliable
>can have a folding stock
>can be free floated

legitimately superior.

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>>32618492
>AR
>Jam

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>>32618533
>turns out the future is ARs

I want to go back

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>>32618505
>>32618533
>>32618679
> Army trials says they jam.
>40+ years of combat say they jam.
>"Hurr fuddlore!"
>some autist does a shitty test.
>"Its the truth!"

>>32618823
>>40+ years of combat say they jam.
so you were there for all 40 of those years?

>>32618842
Last year at the M4 qual range there where plenty of malfunctions.

>>32618823
Ar jams are Vatnik lore
Only way to make an AR really jam is to never clean it or lube it.

>>32618808
Be the change you want to see in the world anon.

Make the assault rifle of your dreams a reality.

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>>32612916
renders the m249 and all 5.56 machine guns obsolete. 2-3 200 rd ARMATEC SAW drum mags and you are good to go. if your drums go out switch to 30/40 rounders.

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>>32612653
>All those rails on the scope

Did they get the idea from an airsoft forum?

>>32619095
Drums are shit on military LMGs. Two drums put together are even worse. Belt feeding is far superior.

>>32618823

1. I didn't say ARs don't jam

2. All guns jam including AKs

What fucking magazine is that?

>>32619509
looks like a steyr made AR mag

>>32619531
God damn. Considering how good AUG mags are, I want those mother-fuckers.

>>32612645
is it already the officially designated successor to the G36? If yes, then source pls.

>>32619832
no it's not

it's a paper tiger that isnt even beyond the prototype stage

Steyr is building it's first batch of production receivers atm


it's simply planned as a contender in the new german selection process

>>32619891
>paper tiger
Please don't use phrases you don't understand.

>>32619896
enlighten me then

I want one of those scopes for my AUG A3.

>>32613175
German Government and HK don't get along like they used to. I can see a non HK rifle being adopted as a hard political move.

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>>32619900
A paper tiger is an item meant to exist as a show of force in itself and a deterrent to others who'd attack you, but is clearly not actually that forceful or dangerous.

The analogy is that it's literally akin to a tiger made of paper. Tigers are scary, but a paper tiger isn't a real threat. Because it's made of paper.

An example would be something like a small country getting a nuke. They can wave it around all "Don't fuck with me, I'm a nuclear power now!!" but everyone knows that they have no way to deploy the thing effectively. It's something that looks scary at first glance, but upon close inspection, is revealed to be a total non-threat. Just like a tiger made of paper, in the dark at a glance you might be like "OH SHIT A TIGER" but actually it's just a cardboard cutout and there's no reason to worry.

This new rifle is not a paper tiger since it doesn't do that. It's just another rifle that does not purport to significantly change the balance of power with its mere presence. It's also not a fake threat even then, since it's still a rifle and presumably can be used to do rifle things effectively.

>>32616174
>why everyone is copying the AR15 and AR180 design
I'm positive it's just because it's easy for everyone involved. A lot of military procurement is driven by cost, so it's probably in their interest to use a platform that can swap out parts willy nilly. And not like, to gucci it up, I just mean that there's probably more AR15 bits in the world sitting on shelves ready to be sold off then there are AUG bits or L85 bits.

>>32612645
>Steyr reinmetall herp-durp 556

more like stey-r 15.

>>32619999
oh boy you showed me

tell your mom to give you a pat on the back

>>32620015
>man FUCK learning!!!
i guess its true that all americans are cousin-fucking yokels

>>32620015
he did get some epic quads, tho.

>>32620019
not american though

>>32620020
yeah maybe
quads for autism

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>>32612645
>Another AR-15 copy

Why am I not surprised.

From an aesthetical standpoint - The scope looks fucking awful. The stock - if adjusted looks amazing. The mag is beautiful. The handguard looks pritty gud. 7/10 britty gut.

what's the point of the angled scope mount?

>>32612877
>the one down there is important for the m203
Don't M203s attach with a proprietary connector that itself is attached to the handguard/heat shield/whatever the fore end is called?

I remember it used to trigger gun nerds' 'tism that in CoD games, M203s attach to picatinny rails, which is only a thing in airsoft.

>>32620059
Probably so it can go further back than the line formed by the rear end of the receiver.

Y'know, for people who either like black eyes, or are 9 feet tall.

Also it was like that on the AUG so it's cool.

>>32620066
both is possible however its more lightweigth to keep the rails out

>>32612645
At least its a grossdeutsches rifle.

>>32619095
Go back to airshit.

Closed bolt magazine fed rifles make awful machine guns.

>>32620059
>what's the point of the angled scope mount?

it's the AUG's scope put on there cause that's all they have.

>>32615013
>SIG 556
No. The swiss need to ax anything related to the tumor called partial privatisation they did during the mid 90s. They need to reopen the Waffenfabrik Bern (and subsequently all federal institutions) and then tell them to get wild. Industry is declining and they need this spark of growth and not demand/supply relying industry again. Fuck SIG. They had their chance. They sold out.

>>32620361
Yo John! I just shot some 150 odd rounds covering fire, is that a problem?
>Bang
Yo John! Are you alright?

>>32616955
Plastic doesn't rust, doesn't mind water and an AR18 is more reliable and easier to shoot than the frankly underwhelming 5.56 roller delayed blowbacks. The G36 was a rifle for conscripts and professional soldiers, most of which have grown very fond of the 3.3kg empty rifle. 3.3kg with optics, full length barrel and everything else you need as conscript infantry.
It is ridiculously light, reliable and low maintenance. Frankly, picking something other than a updated variant of a fulllength rifle especially when looking at the theatres we're in now? fucking retarded.

>>32615063
>people murdered in london, a city with 14 million people, 2016: 118
>people murdered in washington dc, a city with 681 thousand people, in the first 12 days of january: 70

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>>32613129
>>32613295
>>32614221
there's a reason Australia remade the Aug. the newer gun (Thales EF88/F90) is supposedly even better than the Austeyr.

>>32612653
>Gun already has high as fuck red dot mounted on
>LET'S MOUNT ANOTHER RED DOT ONNIT!!!

>>32613382
>>32613698
>>32620666
All I hear is the sound of goalposts moving

more rails than a fucking marshaling yard

>>32612705
They gabe H&K literally ALL the contracts, and the rifle turned out to be shit so it's not surprising they look to Austria for a replacement. Besides Steyr oozes quality and doesn't get enough love as it is

>>32620666
>we still put the bayonet lugs on every rifle

If you're going to change it .... why not fix the charging handle and put it on the side...

>>32613175
H&K's problems are partly of it's own volition, HK416's are literally selling like hotcakes to other militaries.
Granted the German Government has been shit to HK when it comes to exportation and a bunch of other factors, HK should have taken the plunge years ago and moved (most) production outside of Germany.

That said I am goddamned fucking tired of them getting bailout attaboy contracts, it's fucking garbage that the AGL M320 replaced the M203, and the G28 CSASS is more expensive than it's LMT counterpart, to say nothing of the USMC's fuckery with the 416.

Jesus fuck HK is supplying rifles, MG's, Automatic Grenade Launchers, handguns etc to all of nato ffs how much of a bailout could they need

>>32612712
>G-36K
>Not G3
kys

>>32620666
The EF88 gets me rock hard. I am a little annoyed that the new Alien is just using a black one with MORE RAILS rather than an actual unique design but that's a whole different story.

>>32612653
Why would you mount the red dot on top? Why not have the red dot between the scope and the receiver? Just move the front scope mount around it or something

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>>32624080
Because you can't see through solid metal you dumbass.

>>32612645
Quick change barrel is a meme that isn't actually used by anyone on the field.
That typical AUG gas system, barrel profile and bayonnet mount are both retarded and ugly.
That optic is ridiculously outdated and overpriced.
As for the rest, oh it's a piston AR with enlarged, ambidextrous controls, a monolithic upper and a funny looking stock, so new and hip, oh wait it totally isn't.
Steyr as a company needs to die off, real quick.

>>32624953
They're going where the money is like every other company retard. The world wants shitty samey AR rip offs, and Steyr is more than happy to churn them out. Maybe when the UN and EU collapse gun companies will try again.

>>32624953
>AR with enlarged

As opposed to making a dressed up Ar-18, then fucking it up.

>>32624902
>you can't see through solid metal you dumbass

not with that attitude you can't

>>32620919
two is one. one is none.

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>tfw your country's future rifle won't be another fucking AR15

>>32612645
it's beautiful

>>32627299
>Shitty bullpup
For what purpose?

>>32627390
because we can

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>>32612645
>>32612653
>>32612806
>>32613572

Germany's new Assault rifle 2030.

>>32627425
Because you can get your soldiers killed fumbling reloads and missing shots?

>>32618823
asshurt vatnik detected

>new AK's are more and more like AR's

>>32618922
>cheapest bidder carbine gas M4's are good rifles

>>32627560
You mean the ones most likely to be used.

>>32627663
You mean the ones most likely to have quality control issues.

>>32613572
God KSK is asthetic as fuck

>>32627886
And please tell me how a perfect ar15 that is not issued is going to disprove to troops that the m16/m4 don't jam when it happens every time they use them.

>>32620946
>posts the old styer optic
>implies it is the new styer optic that will be on the above rifle
>gets upset when people the old styer optic was good for the time it was produced

I don't understand

>>32620666
would straddle like a stripper pole

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>>32627529
>AK's going DI.
>AK's using buffer tubes.

>>32618823
I've only shot an AR a handful of times (it was a C7 because reserve force) and every time I've done it, someone has had a stoppage

This includes blank firing at parades as well, I did one with a gun salute and the dude next to me had some kind of feeding issue

also imo AR ergonomics are trash and the platform seems inferior to basically anything else anyone has made in the past 50 years. i dont see why its so popular. it shits where it eats, it has controls in dumb places, and it's just generally uncomfortable to handle, especially if you're wearing gloves

its just a completely unpleasant user experience the whole way through, surely there's something better out there

>>32627560
>>32627886
>complaining about lowest bidder shit being some kind of fallacy to bring up when that is exactly what ~milspec~ rifles are

nigga you stupid

Spaniards have no problem with the G36, Kurds have no problem with the G36. French cops have no problem with the G36. The Portuguese like it so much that they'll replace the G3 by the G36. Krauts can't hit the broad side of a barn with it.

The problem seems to be more on the side of the user.

>>32612645
nononononoononononononoo I want a HK 416

>>32629831
>Krauts can't hit the broad side of a barn with it.
The only people that are unhappy with the G36 are from the Ministry of Defence, most soldiers actually like it from precision ans reliability

>>32629831
Bundeswehr SOF use it too. Something I think doesn't get mentioned enough. They could go with ARs if they wanted, but they've been fine with G36s.
However I do think there's some validity to the field reports of accuracy issues. Just means there's some bad G36s in the mix that need to be ratted out.

All these fucking Germongs shilling and cuntryballing for HK and G36 - known shitstick of a rifle. Let me explain to you how what the rifle situation is in 2017:

-ARs; cheap, reliable, proven and streamlined with >9000 mods and accessories. Perfect rifles for nations who wish to train their soldiers thoroughly in marksmanship and issue them optics, lasers, lights.

-AK(-74); cheap, reliable, proven and with considerable mods and accessories. Perfect rifles for nations who do not train their soldiers thoroughly in marksmanship and do not usually issue them optics, lasers, lights. Primarily an iron sights rifle.

...

-Everything else; doesn't even come close.

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>>32631033
>Just means there's some bad G36s in the mix that need to be ratted out.
Pretty much exactly what HK's testing proved.
This was the worst of the bunch of G36s.

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>>32631115
And this was the best.

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>>32631122
Also an AK for comparison.

>>32631091
>hurr G36 a shit
No one is complaining about it but the German MOD

>>32612645
>What does /k/ think about Germany's new rifle?
>2017
>No M-LOK
Its a shit.

>>32631134
>No one is complaining about it but the German MOD

Also, no one is using it in war anywhere.

>>32631147
>hurr durr, there are only Americans in Afghanistan. Hurr durr, no one besides the US ever fired a shot.

>>32631161
>>hurr durr, there are only Americans in Afghanistan. Hurr durr, no one besides the US ever fired a shot.

yeah, pretty much. G36 combat involvement is basically negligible.

>>32631015
>>32629831
In this case the Monkey model for export is better than the original

You could also say the unification money-deprieved germans had to buy the monkey model while the other nations got the premium version

>>32614079
>Germany's Mexico

With the difference that the fucking germs (Schlands) flood our country and not the other way around.

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>>32613129
>>32613295
>>32613382
Delicious 3x is delicious

>>32622739

I've used it, it's nothing special. It's essentially the same rifle but it's been rememed a bit to be more modular so we can attatch more shit to it. That's the selling point, but it's a bit silly seeing as most of the shit is done by an armorer and can't be done by the individual soldier.

Imo there's no point in selling something as really modular if the cunt using it can't add and take shit off as he pleases.

>>32624902
is the scope of this contraption not offset like PU and AUGs are?

>>32614079
>>32631268
Austria is basically a german province in denial.

>>32628082
That's Kampfschwimmer/KSM, not KSK

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I wonder would it be possible to put a G36 sight carry handle on top of an ar-15 like some how gunsmith them together just for an expensive shitty optic so I can be a special range snow flake?

>>32632231
So like how the Germans put an expensive shitty optic carry handle on an AR 18 and called it a new gun?

>>32632508
ya

>>32631868
>he thinks AUG scopes are offset
Spotted the retard that only knows about guns from video games.

>>32620666
Satanic trips confirm truth

>>32632231
Just 3d print it.

>>32618100
the point of impact doesn't shift on the AUG when you change out barrels, I don't think Steyr would allow that to happen on any other rifles featuring the same system.

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>>32614084
>talks about something
>doesnt link what he's talking about

>>32612645
Jesus that thing is butt-ugly

>>32629329
>I don't know why people like AR's, but I will make sure to point out I have no idea how an AR works