>muh s-400 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-r ZHbc4YTE

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>>32597431
I can see these being used as a decoy for a mission. Just dump a few canisters of these far off in the opposite direction and wait for the enemy to scramble to intercept, then the real strike planes come in while the defenders are distracted by a wild goose chase.

>>32597456

Not quite. Its about deploying hundreds of drones that deflect radar signatures of attack places yet work together to overwhelm enemy radar's.

Like a simpler version of the US air forces and Navy's MALD drones. theres literally nothing ground based radar can do to defend a sophisticated effort like that.

how fast do they fly? 50 mph?

>>32597431
Isn't China the bad guy of this century?

What if they do the same thing to us?

>>32597431
i told you about the drones bro

>>32597512

china is always playing catch up. thats the problem with copying shit. they are always behind.

>>32597477
low tech solution (relatively) to a high tech problem

>>32597606

actually very high tech when you take into account radar returns and networking and swarrming towards threads.

That's the problem with air defense. air forces are always one step ahead.

>>32597669

exactly. literally every recent war proves that a superiour air force beats the fuck out of the defences.

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>>32597431
>Muh drones
give up anglos

If only you guys knew what I knew...

>>32597456
They're not nearly significant or powerful enough to act as a decoy.

Thats the area of the MALD.

>>32597694
>air force beats the fuck out of the defences.

Yeah, when said defences are 40+ year behind, and manned by poorly trained operators.

Ameriacn air power has been too accustomed to not taking any losses or only very minimal to achieve their goals. That's why they don't dare attack countries like Iran that would make them suffer bigger losses.

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>>32597431

>The sound of all of them swarming

>>32598371
Your dad works for Nintendo too ?

>>32597554
fuck you china makes own shit

>>32597431
Sometime within our lifetimes, the US will fight a war with robots and AI programs making up the majority of it's combat forces. It will probably be terrifying to the enemy.

>>32598778
Russian air power has been too accustomed to not taking any losses or only very minimal to achieve their goals. That's why they don't dare attack countries like Germany that would make them suffer massive losses.

>>32597431
Neat.

Not entirely sure how useful they are though unless for recon or if they'd be given a small charge to them.

>>32599165
>Affix explosives to drone swarm
>Swarm bomb an area you like

I'm not entirely sure on how practical it would be but fuck would it be terrifying and hilarious at the same time.

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>>32597477
Literally nothing? like textually, to the letter, in direct meaning of the word nothing? Like not even a 20-ton MAZ truck with electronic warfare emitter that can do full spectrum scan of rogue radio frequencies and interrupt their control systems and GPS via jamming? Holy shit, this is it!

>>32599165
A swarm like that wouldn't be for recon, though the concept of a long-range UAV that can drop micro-uavs to make a monitoring network over a large area would be interesting IMO.

>>32599080
We're not talking about gutter oil, wang.

>China and USA advancing drone tech by leaps and bounds
>Russia has absolutely nothing but cold war hand me downs
Really makes you think

>>32599339
>expensive EW truck goes on full blast to tell drones to fuck off
>gets HARMed for its efforts

>>32599339
>EW is magic

lolwut

>>32599848
>gets HARMed
>Operational range 150 kilometres
Enjoy a couple 9M83M into your fat face.

>>32599339
I like how the truck looks like it's from the 70s.

>>32599874
Well, MALD had problems with GPS denied areas, however this issue was supposedly fixed in 2015 with software updates for inertial aiding. It can't be controlled after launch, so most possible the only thing jammer can do is to degrade navigation accuracy.

>>32600010
AARGM-ER says hello boyo

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>>32600100
40N6 and 9M338 laugh.

>>32597431
>That screeching during the attack

Fucking nice. Always nice to have a weapon that can scare the shit out of the enemy.
Underrated as fuck little technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZ504TGDpE

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>>32599874
It doesn't have to do magic. Just jam and disable whatever piece of junk fat niggers send its way.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-drones-exclusive-idUSKBN14A26D

>>32600198
Radar horizon and inverse square law says nothing because they're not animate objects and are unable to care that you are ignorant of them.

>>32597626

Nigga the AI in Red Alert could figure out how to swarm 20 years ago

Swarm tech is eezy breezy

It's the unjammable digital signals to control and give orders that have been the problem

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>>32600518
>He thinks radar horizon only applies to ground assets
>What the fuck is minimal launch altitude?
>He thinks he will only be facing one radar from one direction

>>32598778
didn't the israelis bomb iran within the last 10 years?

>>32598778
yeah thats totally why
not because the political ramifications could essentially lead to a nuclear world war
it is because of what you have described precisely you brain dead vatnik fuck

>>32600518
Modern AA is capable to shoot down that kind of missiles.

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>>32597431
>fighters can have funnels now

>>32597431
REB "Repellent". Allready in Russian army. Drone swarms are 10 years late...

Or you know, you can just electronically filter them out within seconds due to their very different speeds and aeronautical maneuvers..

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Threadly reminder that open source software has allowed the Super Hornet to become our primary weapons test platform, it will get all the best toys before the F-35.

F117 sorry we didn't know it was invisible meme

fatniks btfo

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>>32601658
>Decoy swarms deployed by Advanced Super Hornets.

What a time to be alive.

>>32601658
Good, I hate the F-35

>>32599823
>think
Not in your case.

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>>32597431
lol

>>32599155
>Russian air power has been too accustomed to not taking any losses or only very minimal to achieve their goals
Which isn't true.

>>32601658
God bless the SH, f-35 btfo.

>>32602074
>modern Russia is WW2 soviet union
Losing even 1 SU-35 would be a serious lose to Russia with its current economy

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>>32599080

They sure do.

>>32602226
I hate China so fucking much
there is nothing redeemable about the PRC or its people

>>32601717
>Implying the Super Duper Hornet is anything but a CGI dream.

>>32602226
oh please. nearly all of those are built under license or only look similar because similar goals yield similar designs. the bottom section is complete horseshit, nothing has anything in common other than role.

>>32602369
kek

>>32602114
There are probably not even 10 of those in operation.

>>32602369
t. chink

>>32598309
>>32601586
>>32602046


The drones use distributed logic and are not reliant on GPS, they communicate via LOS.

Jamming them would prove immensely difficult.

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>>32602369
>oh please. nearly all of those are built under license

>>32601036
>I am ignorant about this subject.

>>32602226

It's pretty shocking that aircraft built under license would resemble the aircraft whose license they were being built under.

>>32602483

The problem with that argument is those that were built under license (and not even half that list) production continued after the license expired.

>>32602496
>production continued after the license expired.

Wow. That is pretty spooky.

So you're telling me that they built some planes under license, and then after the license expired, the planes continued to look the same? They didn't just magically change into some other plane?

I'm going to have to take a few weeks off of work to sort this one out. You've really made me think, anon.

>>32602531

The rest of the world calls that theft anon. Whats more, in some cases they cut production short, and changed the designation of the aircraft. See: J-11.

Then, with the J-15, they just bought a prototype and straight copied it.

>>32602574

No, that's a bunch of horseshit.

Every single aircraft China has ever made has been stolen directly from Lockheed Martin's private cyber servers, the same way that Putin hacked Donald Trump's election.

Fuck off with this "production license" shit, sperg. Being a defender of China is not going to earn you any friends around here. Fucking shill piece of shit.

>>32602611

You can at least try to make your false flag seem legitimate.

Thanks for being the #1 reason flags should be on /k/, btw. Shitposting is shitposting.

>>32602531
>build shit without license
>its not theft

ching chong

>>32602634

One rice ball has been deposited into your account.

Now fuck off, ching chong. That should feed your family for the next month or so.

>>32602114
>Losing even 1 SU-35 would be a serious lose to Russia with its current economy
Not really, they are producing one per month. Losing even one F-22 that is out of production on the other hand...

>>32602474
It is perfectly visible that you are indeed ignorant on this subject, there was no need to recite it.

>>32602804
>Not really, they are producing one per month
>comparing SU-35 to an F-22

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>>32602437
>Jamming them would prove immensely difficult.
So is developing and creating sophisticated EW assets that Russians possess. Drones are for removing towelheads, not real war.

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>>32602870
This is a compliment to F-22.

>>32602922
whatever gets your rocks off vatnik

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>>32597431

Fucking Yawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1eWmE3draU&feature=youtu.be


America is behind again, I see.

>Perix
>20 min endurance
>Non recoverable

KEK

TRY HARDER!

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>>32597554
China already has those drone swarms for YEARS.

DJI is the largest and best drone maker in the world.

America is doing the catching up.

>>32602922
>that ju-87 in the background

the fuck

>>32603600
>>32603618

lol

how many rmb do you make?

>>32603696
Ameripride crushed is my reward.

And I won.

China won.

>>32603600
Based 14th institute CETC.

They are the same guys who are doing China's first stealth defeating quantum radar.

Literally China's Skunk Works.

>>32600010

One Hornet can carry 6 Harms
4 will being launching 24

Congrats, you have no missiles left

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>>32603670
http://www.airliners.net/search?registrationActual=RA-0565G

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>>32603934
Hornets will be rekt before even getting a chance to launch these petards.
>Congrats, you have no missiles left
Implying it is up for S-300 to shoot down petards carried by American rustbuckets, not systems like Tor.

>>32603983

>radar horizon
>drones tell Hornets where radars are
>you need your radars on
>they pop up
>they spam Harm at you
>they pop back over the horizon

>you've also got a cruise missile spam coming your way

SAMs are speed bumps. Always have been, always will be.

>>32603720

so rice laced with lead and cadmium

>>32604004
>Minimum launch altitude
>Radar horizon
>Drones knocked out by ECM
>They pop up and eat a missile
>Occasional HARMs that get through eat a missile
>Debris ram an empty forest
>You've also got a fleet of interceptors and fighters, as well as AEW&C
American air "force" is an anti-towelhead formation. Always has been, always will be.

>>32603600
>>32603618

USEING SUPERIOR STRING TECH, THESE DRONES FORMATIONS ARE PERFECT.

>>32602875
>Drones are for removing towelheads, not real war.

This is such an ignorant statement i dont know where to begin.

>So is developing and creating sophisticated EW assets that Russians possess.

So is producing sophisticated EW resistant assets the US possess.

>>32604215
3/10
at least you tried

To >>32600882 in that old thread (>>32598637):

There are active disposable jammers that are already in service, which get deployed from chaff pods. Compared to those expendable jammers, these drones will be less powerful due to them also having to use battery power to fly, as well as fit a motor, prop, wings, flight control sensors / hardware, etc.

These drones will have uses in deception EW, but they wouldn't be terribly effective in defensive jamming.

>>32604331
Begin with accepting the simple fact that drones exist to remove towelheads and are useless in real war.
>sophisticated EW resistant assets the US possess
Only that American EW is aimed at jamming towelhead walkie-talkies, while Russian EW is aimed at defending against NATO attack.
>>32604355
3/10 is the share of American anti-towelhead air "force" that will be able to survive to retreat to your continent and never to come back to try to fuck with Russian IADS and EW.

>>32602369
As a chink I have to tell you to fuck right off.

>>32604395
Yes, towelheads have sophisticated radars needing stealth to degrade their detection ranges.

Or i can just accept that you are a retard, and most likely a vatnik.

Hmmmmm...

>>32604395
vatnik logic:
>it is russian, it exists, therefor it works and can even do stuff it was not planed for
>it is american, so you first have to explain why it should work and why it isnt countered by stuff that was made not having this new stuff in mind
everytime

>>32604428
Stealth only can reduce the effectiveness of a radar by any meaningful margin if it's a lone towelhead radar from the middle of the previous century.
>>32604453
>Fatnik logic: anti-towelhead air "force" can be effective against anti-NATO defences
Only one time is needed and you will run back to your continent with your tail between your legs.

>>32604514
>it is the fucking Armatard

>>32604514
>Stealth only can reduce the effectiveness of a radar by any meaningful margin if it's a lone towelhead radar from the middle of the previous century.

Then why is russia and china investing in stealth?

>>32604514
>>Fatnik
If you would not toss it around so often and wrongly placed, people would not associate it so strongly with a word that basically only the worst kind of the vatniks use.

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>>32604514
>Stealth only can reduce the effectiveness of a radar by any meaningful margin if it's a lone towelhead radar from the middle of the previous century.

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>>32597431
Im not the only one that would shit my pants form the sound of those things surrounding me right?

>>32604586
Because it is useful against towelheads, the main enemy of humanity since the second half of the 20th century.

this. the meme of the OMGWTFBBQAMAZING S-300 and S-400 needs to die. It's just a fucking SAM. SAM networks are speedbumps that just force an air force to spend time and resources systematically dismantling in layers before they can attack strategic targets.

>>32604673
Odd, us and chinese wargames tell a different story.

>>32604673

>Stealth
>Because it is useful against towelheads

Didn't they drag a fucking OV-10 Bronco out of the boneyard to bomb towelheads, because it worked just the same lol

>>32604215
so......the US air force, which has seen some of the most combat of any in the world, yeah they're totally shitty and only good against Talibans and cave people, but the chinkshit or slavshit air force that has been rusting for decades is totally capable against other modern airforces, right?

>>32604395
>Begin with accepting the simple fact that drones exist to remove towelheads and are useless in real war.

then it's a good thing the US not only has drones, but has the best air force and the second best air force in the world too :^)

>>32604514
>Stealth only can reduce the effectiveness of a radar by any meaningful margin if it's a lone towelhead radar from the middle of the previous century.

AHAHAHA

*ahem*

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA FUCK

>>32604796
Not all towelheads have radars.
>>32604805
US air "force" has only seen "combat" against towelheads and is only meant to oppose towelheads.
>>32604819
Anti-towelhead air "force".

>>32604925
and please tell me what other air force has seen more combat against skilled or modern opponents?

>>32604925
>US air "force" has only seen "combat" against towelheads and is only meant to oppose towelheads.

>Constant, realistic training deployments and flight hours at a rate Russian and Chinese pilots could only dream of in the most advanced fighters of each generation

Stay salty, Vatnik.

>>32605016
>>32604954
He is only here to derail a thread damageing to russian intrests.

Keep that in mind.

>>32604954
Russia in Georgia, not only did they lose plane to Georgia, they also shot down their own.

>>32605035
>Georgia
>implying that was a tougher air defence nut to crack than Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq again, Yugoslavia, etc.

>>32605035
Don't forget that the only Russian plane post WWII to get a K:L ratio of 1.0 or higher is the Flanker at 5:0.

Flown by Ethiopians and shooting down Eritrean Mig-29s.

>>32604954
No air force has seen more combat against skilled or modern opponents. But unlike American air "force", the Russian one, along with their EW assets, is aimed at something but fighting towelheads.
>>32605016
>Deployment against towelheads
Stay in denial, fatnik.

>>32605103
lol oh really?

so you agree that the american air force has the most experience fighting the most modern opposing air forces, yet you somehow believe that the russian air force is better designed to fight modern air forces? How do you know that?

And if the US air force was designed to fight only towelheads, what's the F-22 and F-35 for? Why will the majority of US fighter power be made of 5th gen VLO fighters that are no more effective against towelheads than any other 4th gen?

>>32605103
>No air force has seen more combat against skilled or modern opponents
>names none

>Stay in denial, fatnik.

It is like pottery, retarded third grade pottery.

>>32605103
>Stay in denial, fatnik.

>F-15 has combat record of 105.5:0 Air to air
Keep trying Vatnik.

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>>32605087
>Flown by Ethiopians and shooting down Eritrean Mig-29s.

lel

>>32600074
cutting edge soviet union technology

i cant even type it with a straight face

vatniks are a running joke, but that doesn't change the fact that ivan knows how to build a sexy-looking plane.

>>32605136
I mean more than other. Modern war is against towelheads. Which became the sole purpose of American air "force", while Russians are defending against NATO.
>that are no more effective against towelheads than any other 4th gen
Stealth is effective against shitty towelhead radars.
>>32605192
>Reading comprehension
>>32605269
>Against towehhead MiG-21

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>>32597431
This is total Pentagon bullshit.
Tiny straight wing drones is suppose to keep up with a jet flying at almost Mach 1.

>>32605035
actually this is a perfect example. Russia failed to achieve air superiority against a country that had no fighters what so ever, and only had a few buks. Further their air assets proved to be of limited use, as the war was won on the ground with effectively no CAS missions attempted.

Then lets look at their previous history:
Chechnya II: an opponent with only MANPADs destroyed 45 helicopters and 8 fixed winged craft
Chechnya 1: more than 400 aircraft and hilcopters lost, however 265 of them were captured at the beginning of the war and subsequently bombed by the russians.
Afghanistan: again only manpads, 333 helicopters, 118 fixed wing aircraft

If you want to submit a case where Russian air power has made a not suffered great loses against even a modest air defense network, you would have to go all the way back to never. Russia has never focused on winning a war in the air, and thus their airforce is simply not prepared to try to take on an enemy with even just MANPADs.

>>32602437
Cheap drone - cheap antenna. Cheap antenna - big sidelobes and backlobe. Big sidelobes and backlobe - simplier to jam. Add small power source and relativly primitive hardware. Why hardware is relativly primitive? Military tier hardware is heavy, need a lot of power and has not stunning perfomance. If your small drone uses military tier HW, it's not very powerfull. If your small drone uses civilian hardware - cheap, fast and energy-saving - it is much much more vulnerable to EM fields, G-shocks, temperature changes e.t.c. It means more vulnerable to jamming too.

>>32605384
the idea is for them to keep up for a few minutes. Remember that if I can confuse the SAM site for 10 minutes, I can get into launch distance, engage, and bug out before they can respond.

>>32605456
Except the ranges involved (exceptionally small) means its infinitely more harder to jam the signal.

>>32597431
We Ace Combat Now

>>32605456
Jamming needs to increase noise above detection limit ~10times the signal strength. inverse square law says that if a jammer is 1000 times further away, it needs to produce 1000000 more power, coupled with the signal to noise it needs to be about 10000000x. those drone are probably pumping out 1-2watts. That means the jammer would need to be putting out 10GW. That is well beyond anyones current jamming capability.

>>32605372
you still have yet to explain how the russian air force is more suited for fighting other modern armies than the US air force is. You just keep repeating the same things.

and please tell me about the magical russian stealth-nullifying radars.

>>32601420
helo ivan

>>32605460
>the idea is for them to keep up for a few minutes

They can NOT keep up for 1 second.
Have you ever seen a high sub-sonic model airplane in action?
I didn't think so.
Even in the video they were scattering like fireflies in the slip stream.

Plus you run the risk of FOD damage to muh turbofan.

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>>32605558
Bro, last time when US air-forces fought against "modern" army, they began with absolute numerical superiority. Let's say, Russians defeated Georians without numerical superiority. Russians are prepared for scenarios which US side will never considered as playable at all - i.e. no absolute numerical superiority on "our" side.
>>32605609
Hello, Ali. Sorry, but it is true, HARM is the list of typical targets for any serious AA defence system made in Russia. I know because I personally asked representatives of developers about this on MAKS.

>>32605662
If you watch the video they are treated more like bombs.

Look at the overview.

>>32605663
>Bro, last time when US air-forces fought against "modern" army, they began with absolute numerical superiority. Let's say, Russians defeated Georians without numerical superiority.

lolwut? the russians didn't have numerical superiority of the georgians? oh gimme a break.

>Russians are prepared for scenarios which US side will never considered as playable at all - i.e. no absolute numerical superiority on "our" side.

what exactly makes you think this? Where do you get this idea? The US having VLO fighters and better datalinking makes them much more effective at force multiplication.

In case not everyone noticed, this idiot:
>>32605663
>>32605372
>>32605103
is constantly trying to keep up discussions with you by baiting with his vatniksperging, ignore him, you will have a better discussion with everyone else, even with no one at all. More info from another thread and since it is so uncannily similar with him there too: >>32604987

>>32605663
The issue with russian SAM complexes is its saturation point is lower than the realistic output of a US strike.

Sure, HARM missiles are included, but when each plane is carrying 4-8, shit is not in the SAMs favor.

Thats the main issue with ground based air defenses, they need to be distributed to have effect, while the attackers does not.

I guess we should just surrender now guys Ivan has us figured out

>>32605744
>lolwut? the russians didn't have numerical superiority of the georgians? oh gimme a break.
Nope, they did not. Remeber - there is only one tunnel which can be used for deployment of troops from Russia to South Osetia. Georgians needed to cut it and it would end conflict. They failed.
Conflict began with apr. 15000 Russian troops in South Osetia and Abhazia vs 17000 Gorgians in South Osetia. And local militia.
58th army indeed has about 70 000 but they were on wrong side of mountains!

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>>32605817
>Sure, HARM missiles are included, but when each plane is carrying 4-8, shit is not in the SAMs favor.
I don't think that they can do that anymore. I mean, carry 8 HARMs. Because you know, F-16 are always need to have fuel tanks e.t.c. So, they need to have one or two SEAD planes, then you need two-three planes to protect that SEAD planes, then you need AWACS to provide intel to that group of 4-6 planes, then you want to have distraction group with EW pods and you ended up in situation, where absolute dominance and 100% chance to win is a very fucking expensive. Those drones are way to make this very fucking expensive operation a little cheaper. Russians will spend more money for jamming or laser cannons, or something and everything will return to situation where it's just too fucking expensive to attack Russian IADS. Good thing - Russian IADS is unique and you can use this drones against any other enemy on planet. Making operation against pretty well equipped AA defences cheaper.

>>32603600
I know you're a 50center but that music is surprisingly good.

>>32606117
Us development is less about cost and more about capability.

Furthermore, MALDs give you more bang for your buck then these small drones. They would have a hard time moving ahead of said planes and doing their thing.

4 HARMs, 2 tanks and 3 jammers, 2 heaters is pretty typical for a wild weasel.

>>32605817
Not to mention all the stealth taking out key points in such a network the night the fight goes hot.

>>32602369

>oh please, nearly all of those aren't stolen. We onry steal a few, china still cool.

>>32603600

lol those drones look exactly like the US drones from C&C generals. China is at it again.

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>>32605425

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>>32605663

>Russians defeated Georians without numerical superiority.

>>32605744
>>32605888

>>32602369
>>32602483
>fuck you china makes own shit
>It's almost all actually current or formerly licensed Russian designs or a carbon copy of an American design as anon points out in >>32602226

Somehow I don't think bitching about licensing hurts his argument.

>>32607423

Less than 19k Russian troops of 58th Army were present in South Ossetia and Abkhazia throughout the entire conflict. Georgia had there 17k, and other 11k deployed in Iraq.

>>32607423
inb4
>Georgian sources
They counted ALL 58th army, dumbfuck. Which was ON OTHER SIDE OF MOUNTAINS. And needed to be relocate by using 1 (one) tunnel. Russians do not have teleportation technology.

>>32607597

That's not what the wiki article says.

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>>32605817
There are 100-120 divisions of S-300 (including s-300v4 with 400km range sams). which equals 1000 launch pads, 4 missiles in 4 tubes accordingly. Which translates into 4000 currently armed and loaded missiles. The missiles are mostly 48N6dM (280km) and 9M82MV (400km). Wikipedia will give you the number of 1900 launch pads, but that includes systems in storage and obsolete ones like S-300PT/PS/PMU, S-300V, etc. Then there are 23 divisions of S-400, which is 184 launch pads with 4 missiles in each. If math holds true those are 736 currently loaded missiles.

And those are just S-300/400 without whole set of mid-to-low range air-defense like Buks, Pantsirs and Tors. Just loaded ones, google how long it takes to reload S-300/400 if you like. Just a fraction of ground assets alone, without the Russian air force.

So the issue with US SEAD is that USAF will run out of aircraft before making a dent in IADS. American air force will be simply annihilated if it ever finds gut to oppose anyone other than poor arabs.

>>32607619
Being a 12 year old, you might find it hard to comprehend that those entries can be edited on daily basis.

>>32607793

The only people with fragile enough ego's to manipulate historical entries like you're suggesting are vatniks and that's not what I'm seeing here.

>>32607758
That's funny, you've just assumed the Russians wouldn't be BTFO by EW

>>32607852
And yet you're the one trying to win an argument on a congolese bungee jumping board by a screencap of wikipedia article.

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>>32607877
That's funny, you've just assumed anyone but Russians has expertise in modern EW.

>>32607877
There is no such thing as silver bullet. It's not Hollywood movie. Death Star will not be blown up by single torpedo, Mordor will not fail because one ring was destroyed.

>>32608031
>mordor

But anon it did. Sauron fell off and the slavic looking orcs ran away.

>>32607891

I have 'screencap of wikipedia article', you have an opinion. I win the congolese bungee jump.

>>32607963
That's funny, you just posted Vatnik beliefs.

>>32608101
We use screen from same fucking wiki, but Russian version. What would it change? You just don't want to check sources.

>>32608172
>We can use screens
fixed

>>32607597
You're conveniently leaving out the shiny new railroad that had just been built (for civilian purposes, we promise!) at great expense.

It's completion made it obvious that Russia was going to invade, sometime within the next few months.

The rest was maskirovka.

>>32607758
Great job completely missing the point. Nobody said the russians lacked numbers.

The issue is they cant use those numbers as effectively as planes can. They have to be distributed. Its not like those 700 missiles are all in one place. With aircraft, you CAN focus to one place (within reason).

>>32609975
>With aircraft, you CAN focus to one place
And will face the same layered air defence. The real issue is that you seem to think S-300 is the only system.

A lot of people here do not have any basic understanding of how drone jamming and drone swarms operate.

>>32604593
/k/ is without a doubt the last place I expected to see Zizek.