is the 9mm a cuck round? Chances are you won't use more

>>32579650
>cuck
>stoppahn powah

So much cancer in one post. Go back to /pol/

>>32579650
foddy short and weak is pretty much the perfect round. heavier and more energy than 9mm while still retaining respectable capacity.

>>32579650
Oh look, it's this thread again.

Why don't you post something original, like the daily F-35 shitposting thread.

There is no significant difference between all conventional handgun rounds as far as terminal ballistics is concerned. The FBI did a good study on this.

>>32579650
>won't use more than 8 rounds in any fire fights

Exactly how many fire fights have you been in? How many times have you actually utilized a weapon in self defense?

>>32579711
The only difference I'm aware of is that some rounds are better if you know you're going to be dealing with vest wearing opposition

>>32579650
>Firefight
>Not wanting a belt fed

>>32579650
>Chances are you won't use more than 8 rounds in any fire fights
Did you pull that number out of your ass?

.45 ACP is basically only relevant in suppressed handguns these days thanks to it being a very viable subsonic.
.40 S&W was never relevant. Too much money got poured onto research to not release something so they shat this out.
9mm is just enough to get the job done, and thus widespread due to firearms development being primarily military focused and militaries win wars based on logistics. The cheapest and lightest thing that works wins.

Now, you said firefight. Handguns don't belong in firefights. Bring a long gun and some friends with long guns.

>>32579661
>his puny wrists can't handle .45
Go back to /lgbt/ weak cuck numale.

>>32579762
Ad-hom, classy.

If you're in a firefight, 10 rounds of 9mm are better than 8 of .45 according to the FBI, and a high capacity mag fed long gun is better than either of the above

>>32579666
Satan Approved

>>32579762
.45 ACP is a little bitch round too.
.357 magnum minimum. That's where stopping power and sissy wrist aches start.

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>>32579790

JHP: They're the same

Ball ammo: .45

>>32579774
If you need more than 7 rounds of .45 then just turn that gun up and put a 9mm in your brain

>implying any1 with good aim will have to use more than 8 bullets in a practical pistol situation

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>>32579650
Handheld 88.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKpQaESRWNAMO0F597T7WHw6gpypnq3jbWOXk1oytL0LL4SPDP7U0WPhLGyQRELWls5sJwfK&v=SMyPr3-ZnOs

What's /k/'s thoughts on DRT Elite Ammunition?

>>32579790
this, if youre falling for the stopping power meme anyway, you might as well go for the one proven to actually stop in one hit

>>32579650
>>32579762
good shitpost
>>>/pol/ >>>/V/ >>>/r/the_donald/

>>32579774
>Implying the FBI knows jackshit
Here reminding you that the FBI dropped the 10mm because they couldnt handle it and the grips on the guns were too big for women and manlets/

Hell since they said that, id be even more inclined to think 8 rounds of .45acp is better than 10 rounds of 9mm

>>32580743
50% more ammo is the breaking point where 9mm > .45

8 rounds of 9mm is better than 5 of .45ACP and 15-9mm>10-.45

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>>32579650
Which one would you want to shoot the bad guy with?

>>32580934
The one u can hit him the most with, increasing the chance of a vital hit.

>>32580934
The one moving three times as fast.

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>>32580934
I prefer 14+1 rounds of +P 9mm Hornady JHPs.

I'm convinced .45 is only relevant due to fuddlore and some weird sort of pseudo-machismo stemming from the fuddlore and "muh pappy carried it".

Same thing with the 1911. Pretty gun and cool history, but outdated and larger than most ideal CC handguns with less capacity.

>>32579774
good thing my .45 holds 10+1

>>32579825
:3 /k/ute

>>32581007
>The one u can hit him the most with
So, spray and pray?

>>32581200
Sorta, yeah. Assuming sufficient penetration (so no .22LR, .25/.32 ACP), volume of fire is superior to more powerful individual rounds. Especially given that modern handgun roundworms are roughly indistinguishable in performance. But even disregarding that, if you're a relatively untrained (i.e. not a professional) shooter in a high stress situation, you're gonna want as many chances to hit vitals as you can feasibly get.
Hell, if there's anything to be learned from the past 70 years of military small arms design, it's that hit probability is king, and all else comes after.

>>32581387
>roundworms
What the fuck, Android?

>>32579650
No, a bigger bullet does not mean more effective. Velocity, tumbling, fragmentation, and penetration make bullets more effective.

All handgun calibers suck at all of these things except for 10mm, which has the only appreciable increase in ability over 9mm to kill shit dead.

Either way, handguns are fucking terrible for immediately stopping anything, largely because all they do is crush tissue in a straight line.

9mm is slightly less shitty than .40 or .45 because you can carry more shitty rounds and shoot shitty rounds faster, but you'll most likely need more than one to stop a threat.

Handguns, with the exception of 10mm and magnums, simply poke holes in people until they bleed enough to calm them down.

>>32579666
Nice try Satan, you just want us to die.

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This thread needs more memes

>>32581105
It's because .45 FMJ is better than 9mm FMJ, which is what the army used, so you have years of bitching old soldiers crying "should never have replaced muh 1911"

The performance difference between a .45 and 9mm HP is completly negligible, but the fuddhurt gets carried over

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>>32581415
>what is a federal HST .45auto round
9mm is better if you can hold 50% more bullets though

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>>32579774
And if you can hold 10+1 .45 HST rounds?

>>32581589
Then the 15-18+1 the same gun could hold of 9mm would still be better.

Shit, 10 9mm would be better than 10 .45.

>>32579650
i only carry 44mag muh dick

>>32580934
You get a whole 2mm more wiggle room for a lot less rounds in the gun and slower follow up shots.

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>>32581043
>147gr
>moving 3 times faster
You've never looked at a velocity chart before, have you?

>>32581415

>No, a bigger bullet does not mean more effective.

>>"Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet."

t. FBI & Fackler, M.L., MD

>>32581200

Pistol cartridges are pretty shit at killing people. More rounds put in to the threat = greater chance of stopping the threat.

At the end of the day, if 21 rounds of 9mm HSTs and six rounds of 357mag can't do the job I guess it's just my time.

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>>32579650
>Chances are you won't use more than 8 rounds in any fire fights

>>32582749

The average defensive gun use is 2 or 3 shots fired depending on your source.

>>32581415
>During the assault, six German soldiers in a trench near York charged him with fixed bayonets. York had fired all the rounds in his M1917 Enfield rifle,[23] but drew his M1911 automatic pistol[24] and shot all six soldiers before they could reach him.[25]

HAHAHAH 9MM KEKS ETERNALY BTFO HOW CAN THEY EVER RECOVER

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Myth #5: Your Choice of Gun & Ammo Doesn’t Matter

>It’s become popular on the Internet to claim that there is no difference between chamberings. That the 9mm, for instance, is equal to the .40 S&W or .45 ACP, bullet type for bullet type, in terms of “stopping power.” That is an argument that simply defies logic. A 9mm-diameter bullet weighing 147 grains is the same as a 10mm-diameter .40 bullet weighing 180 grains, or an 11.25mm-diameter .45 ACP +P bullet weighing 230 grains, when they’re all going within 50 feet per second of each other? Really? History, common sense and logic say otherwise.It’s become popular on the Internet to claim that there is no difference between chamberings. That the 9mm, for instance, is equal to the .40 S&W or .45 ACP, bullet type for bullet type, in terms of “stopping power.” That is an argument that simply defies logic. A 9mm-diameter bullet weighing 147 grains is the same as a 10mm-diameter .40 bullet weighing 180 grains, or an 11.25mm-diameter .45 ACP +P bullet weighing 230 grains, when they’re all going within 50 feet per second of each other? Really? History, common sense and logic say otherwise.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/04/massad-ayoob-gunfighting-fact-vs-fiction/

Any decent .45 ACP handgun can also handle .45 Super with a spring change, and .45 Super is on the level of 10mm in power.

>>32579650

There are a lot of manchildren in the firearms hobby who for whatever reason have their ego invested in 9mm.
Therefore they are compelled to claim that 9mm has all the advantages of other calibers, with none of the drawbacks.

9mm is lighter, cheaper, has less recoil, and more capacity per mag.
In my opinion, it's also well the most well suited to SMGs.
It has plenty of nice things about it.
But it is not just as lethal as .40/10mm/.45/ect.

The people who claim it is really need to grow up.
You chose a caliber.
Every caliber has pros and cons.
Some more than others, but there's no such thing as a free lunch.

It's okay to not have a gun that isn't chambered in the most lethal round ever.
I myself have a couple guns in 9mm, and some in even weaker calibers.

But please stop spouting off with your autistic fantasies.

The german military, and many other militaries around the world seem to have no problems with 9x19, what makes you think 9x19 is inadequate when the world does not?

>>32582951

There's plenty of reasons to use 9mm other than lethality.
Just because it's not as deadly as other calibers doesn't exactly make it useless.
It's lighter, cheaper, has less recoil, and more capacity.
All of these factors make it a perfect round for SMGs and machine pistols too.

There's literally nothing wrong with choosing 9mm if that's the caliber you like.
Just don't claim it's just as lethal as everything else.
9mm is not some kind of perfect super round with all the benefits of other rounds and none of the drawbacks.

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>>32582951
>The german military
Good example trip fag.

>>32583022

The OP posted a topic asking why to not use a larger round then 9mm, I responded to the question and answered it, there is nothing wrong with 9mm.

>>32582951
To play double's advocate, plenty of things the military uses are shitty and inadequate.

>>32583101

Glad we agree then.

>>32583103

>double's advocate
>doesn't get doubles
:(

What about a situation where capacity isn't a factor, like if you're in CA and limited to 10 rounds of either cartridge?

>>32583252

DEAGLE brand DEAGLE w/ extendos

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>>32579650

>>32579650
It is a cuck round, for little euroweennie babbymen.

>>32582814
9mmcucks don't respond because they have no argument

>>32579650
With modern defense ammunition, 9mm performs just as well as 45. 45 is better for suppression and FMJ.
If you want something that'll kill a dinosaur and blast a hole in the ozone layer, get a 10mm. Every other pistol round is a cuck round.

>>32583702

>With modern defense ammunition, 9mm performs just as well as 45.

Your delusion has been noted.

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>>32583702
>With modern defense ammunition, 9mm performs just as well as 45.

>If people say something enough, people will begin to think it is true.

>>32581779
By this logic, you would be saying that .22s are better than 9mm if you could pack 25+ rounds into one gun vs 17 rounds of 9mm lol

>>32583908
No. 9mm is just as effective as .40 or .45.

.22 is not anywhere near as effective as any of these.

I'd much rather have .45 or .40 than .17-.380. I'd rather have 9mm than .40 or .45.

>>32579774
>high capacity mag
you mean standard capacity, commie?

>>32583734
>>32583732
Thats exactly what the data says, memelords. There is no appreciable difference in performance between the main pistol calibers.

>>32585071
People keep spouting this but I never see them back it up with any data from a reliable source.

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>>32582767
How is that a firefight? In a civilian setting with someone shooting at me and me shooting back chances are one magazine isn't going to be enough let alone a single stack of FORTEE FIE.

What you're describing is something like this video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsAMSQ13bY

You would be surprised how fast 30 rounds disappear in an actual firefight. That knowledge alone still scares me. If you're carrying a magazine that holds bullets in the single digit mark you're in for a world of hurt if that attacker is shooting back.

>>32585011
Also, rimfire is unreliable.

>>32585109
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

All handgun calibers are pretty much equally shit.

>>32585011
.45 is considerably bigger, heavier and thus hits with more force

I agree that more 9mm is better because of reduced recoil and easier follow up shots, but in terms of "stopping power", 10 rounds of .45 will be much more powerful than 10 rounds of 9mm.

The choice comes down to cutting back the "punch" of your bullet(.45 HST will literally knock the target back/down more than 9mm) vs controlling the recoil and firing an accurate follow up shot faster.

>>32585189
>Bigger and heavier
>More force

It's also slow as fuck.

It does nothing in gel or the human body that 9mm doesn't also do, and 9mm has benefits over the .45 in capacity and follow-ups.

Round for round, they're both equally awful at killing shit.

>.45 will literally knock the target back/down
No, no it will fucking not. They'll flinch and, more than likely, run the fuck away.

>>32583252
Do you want 10 bullets that are easier to control the recoil of and thus fire followup shots more accurately and quickly?

Or do you want them to be more powerful in terms of how much force they hit their target with?

For example you might hit 5/10 shots in 10 seconds that hit like a hammer or 3/10 in 15 seconds that hit like a baseball bat.

.380 a best

>>32585228
Impact force means fuckall in terms of lethality.

This meme needs to die.

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>>32585230
>tfw i unironically love .380 handguns

>>32585189
The term youre looking for is kinetic energy and.45 has maybe 200 j more. Neither is enough to knock someone over and its not a good way to measure how effective a self defense round is.

>>32585115
Welp

That video proves .45 has stopping power

3 shots and the nigga drops to a crying mess

>>32585225
Its like a 20% increase in speed for 9mm compared to over 50% increase in weight for .45

Mathematically, it punches harder

I still say 9mm is better, but it's because mag cap, recoil and fast accurate follow up shots are more important, not because 9mm hits just as hard as .45.

Physics says .45 hits harder and it does, it just doesnt outweigh all the benefits of a 9mm hp

>>32585264
Shoot some heavy targets, like loose steel and watch how much harder the .45 hits it vs the 9mm and youll see how much of a difference the force makes

9mm is still better overall as long as you can legally hold more rounds in the mag by a noticeable amount.

If you could choose to be shot by 1 bullet in a random spot, noone is choosing a .45 for obvious reasons.

>>32585304
>Hits harder

You still don't realize that force has nothing to do with wounding.

Tissue damage does, and .45 does not do any more tissue damage than 9mm.

>>32585349
Right wounding kills

Force actually moves the body and shocks the nervous system though

Unless the target is on drugs, more force = more OH FUCK I REALLY JUST GOT FUCKING SHOT

>>32585268
He only hit him once in the torso. He missed 2 out of 3 shots at point blank range.

>>32585326
People arent killed through kinetic energy transfer from a bullet you tard. Theyre killed from the penetration of a vital organ or bleeding out. The amount of energy in a bullet is exactly the same as the amount of energy transferred to your hands while firing. The extra 200j of energy realistically makes no difference.

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>>32585115
That door.That file name.

>>32585349
I never said .45 does more tissue damage fool. But it does to a little more just from the bigger bullet. Stop bringing this up.

When I say force I mean force.

>>32585380
Well that's a shit camera angle and an even worse shooter then

>>32585377
>Force actually moves the body and shocks the nervous system though
>Unless the target is on drugs, more force = more OH FUCK I REALLY JUST GOT FUCKING SHOT
You couldve just said you lack a highschool understanding of physics.

>>32579735
> wanting an unreliable meme of a feeding system
Trash

You're going to hit someone a lot of times before he drops to the ground. A reload is probably unrealistic. Having double the ammunition loaded and ready to go is only reasonable.

As far as calibers go I know 9mm much better which is why I use it. Plenty of people have used it to defend themselves and I'm not such a special snowflake that I'm going to think it won't work for me too.

Then you have the fact that most of common pistols nowadays are primarily chambered for 9mm.

Honestly this is a stupid fucking question when what /k/ probably needs is to take some fucking training.

>>32579650
Chances are you will never be in any fire fights. Wouldn't you be better off not spending hundreds on a CPL, a gun, a belt and a holster?

>>32585409
Example:

If you hit someone in the shoulder in a gunfight with a 9mm they would shrug it off slightly easier than if it were a .45

If youre both going for just hearts and heads, then yeah 9mm is better, but .45 does "stun" more thanks to the increased force behind the heavier bullet

The FBI says those 3 rounds are practically similar.

But where would the 10mm loaded "hot" fall?

>>32585423
This

It's up to you wether you want a bigger bullet with more force behind it or more bullets that are easier to shoot faster

Either way, your shot placement and training will matter 10x more than the bullet you use

>>32585461
Dude, do you even know what bullets are measured in? fucking GRAINS, it's not the force of the bullet that "punches" you back it's the massive tissue damage that you sustain and the nervous system recoiling from the shock of it. that is, if it even registers.

>>32585461
I understand what youre saying. Im just telling you that you have a skewed understand of how much force is in a bullet and how energy is transferred.

>>32585461
This looks like an example I would read in an FPS game or an MMO.

All I need is a damage chart and the stun threshold of the enemy.

>>32583685
That's one of those classic military exaggeration. The guy shot probably six guys with his rifle and then shot the last guy that was fleeing in the back. The military certainly didn't perform any forensic examination to check if what the soldier was saying is true.

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>>32585349
>Tissue damage does, and .45 does not do any more tissue damage than 9mm.
>.45 does not do any more tissue damage than 9mm.

According to people who actually study this stuff and aren't meme spouting retards, it actually does.

>>32585496
>>32585490
>>32585478
You all realize I support 9mm over .45 right?

Im just explaining that .45 does hit with more force thanks to the 230gr bullets

>>32585632
I swear there are some 9mm shills on /k/ or something

They try to argue that .45 isnt a bigger, heavier bullet that hits with more force and it's getting wierd

>>32585632
Reads like the ramblings of some autistic sperg.

>>32585664
Hes right though

.45 is a bigger bullet that leaves a bigger hole

>>32582525
why are your follow up shots slower?

>>32585715
And fewer of them.

>muh 1911 dun miss

>>32585748
Noguns pls

>>32585761
more than you

>>32585756
Correct, I never said .45 was a smaller bullet. I wouldn't want a 7 shot 1911 over a 10 shot 9mm

>>32585748
Because there's more recoil when

>>32585804
it depends on the platform and specific load. ive never known the 45 to be particularly high recoiling in modern semi automatics, especially metal frame guns like sigs or 1911 style. unloading an entire mag rapid fire into a target the size of a softball at close self defense range is not a challenge for most people with the 45 generally speaking. the 45 and 9 are about on par with recoil. maybe if you were comparing a high pressure round like 10mm you would have a better argument but objectively 45 is superior to 9 in every way except capacity

>>32585632
>>32585715
What are the chances that youre going to miss your target by .24 in? Why does.357 mag perform so much better than .45 despite almost the same difference in area as 9mm?

>>32585861
you are thinking about it wrong


imagine boring a hole into flesh

one hole is twice as wide as the other

now add up all that removed flesh and surface area for bleeding

which is going to cause blood loss the fastest?

not to mention the exit wound size

>>32585852
Have you ever even shot a .45 and a 9mm side by side?

Full size vs full size, 9mm has noticeably less recoil the same way .45 has a noticeably bigger bullet. Its just physics

>>32585861
>>32585861
>Why does.357 mag perform so much better than .45 despite almost the same difference in area as 9mm?

we are comparing bullets of similar velocity but different weight and diameter. your introduction of 357 is apples to oranges

why does 44 mag perform so much better than 357 mag despite being the same velocity?

>>32585861
357 mag has a shit load of powder and a revolver round

You can't just get an H&K USP in 357 mag

>>32585897
Not necessarily the case though. Velocity matters when it comes to the size of a wound cavity, it's not strictly a function of the projectile diameter.

>>32585920
It's also impossible to land follow up shots accurately fast

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>>32585911
I have, and I can tell you, the FNX 45 really has light recoil for a .45acp. I've never timed it, but I bet I can dump a 15 rd mag out of it just as fast and as well as my Glock 19.

>>32585933
9mm doesnt go as much faster than .45 compared to how much bigger .45 is

20% more speed vs 50% bigger boolet

>>32585928
why why why isn't there an H&K USP 10

>>32585911
i own many. velocity and pressure are just as important in the physics equation as mass. most common 45 loads are very low pressure and hover around 800 fps velocity. 9mm common loads tend to run higher velocity and pressure, i dont notice much difference between the recoil. i think 45 feels more of a push and 9 is more of a snap, both are pretty comparable subjectively to me. 9mm has more than 15,000 PSI pressure in chamber than 45, which translates to a sharper harder recoil impulse. its just physics

357 is the same size bullet as a 9mm. does it recoil noticeably more? of course, because its going 600fps faster

>>32585952
and yet in ballistic gelatin, which is good enough of a control element for the FBI, .45 doesn't produce cavities or penetration twice that of 9mm

>>32585947
How does it compare to a USP45?

I bet it has some sick recoil system as well while the glock recoil spring sucks dick unless you get an increased weight sppring stainless stee guide rod upgrade

>>32585961
Idk if youre making typos but theres a lot of bullshit to this post

>>32585966
I never said it did retard. Stop shilling for 9mm by bringing up stuff I never disagreed with.

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>>32585155
I don't know, according to that info, a .380 is just as good as a 9mm.

>>32585995
I don't shill for 9mm. My caliber of choice is .40 and I don't even give a care

>>32579650
Now that carbon nanotube armor is a thing, it basically is.

>>32585997
You mean better?

>>32586007
Just curious why?

I own a 9mm and a .45 and just decide between easier follow up shots or bigger bullet. Why go witha meh middle round that's more expensive and rare with less options?

>>32585928
>>32585920
Then youre admitting that lethality is not directly correlated with bullet area?

>>32586027
There's nothing "meh" about it. It's ballistically superior to 9mm with a trade off in most instances of only 1 or 2 fewer rounds capacity. Compared to 45, it's equivalent but with on average 50% more capacity. 45 super beats it, but guns capable sustaining a lifetime diet of 45 super you're running face first into either a capacity disadvantage or a fuckhuge size gun.

And subjectively, I think the "snappiness" of 40sw is highly overstated.

>>32585997
>>32586021
He explains that some of his data points are questionable due to not enough cases and the inability to know what kind of ammo was used.

>>32586019
Considering most body armor can stop handgun rounds, all handgun rounds are cuck rounds using your logic, you fucking faggot idiot.

>>32586053
Never said it did

>>32586093
Who wears nanotube space armor?

10mm Auto is the absolute bare minimum when it comes to acceptable self defense calibers.

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>>32586126
Captain James T. Shepard of the Federation Starfleet vessel Normandy

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>>32586133

>>32586138
Literally using the shittiest 10mm.

Even my Sellier and Bellot plinking rounds are 550 ftlbs. That's .357 magnum energy.

>>32586138
>only 10 ft lbs extra at the muzzle
Is this shit tier 10mm or are 10mmfags even bigger memers than i thought?

>>32586157
both

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>>32586157
10mm fags are the biggest memers on the fucking planet

50 caliber Deagle fans are less meme cringey

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>>32579650
9mm handguns have shit penetration.

>>32586157
That's a pretty rough misrepresentation of 10mm. That ammo is about as low as it gets. More conventional 10mm is about 700 ftlbs.

10mm is a very versatile cartridge, so users can have a ton of choices depending on what they want to do with it. They could load 400 ftlb rounds to mirror .40 or they can push the .41 magnum range.

All guns are cuck weapons unless you're literally too weak to defend yourself with anything else. I hate to be a Yurop-tier faggot, but real men know how to use their fists to solve arguments.

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>>32579650
>I can feel the stopping powah

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>>32579650

>>32579650
>chances
I don't take chances when it comes to flinging hot lead, I drown my enemy in the fury of the Emperor's guns.

>>32579751
Rule Four

>>32580259
If we're going on about compact low-round unit expenditures, then why aren't you shilling for .50AE?

>>32579703
or some
>battleships are NOT obsolete

>>32583908
it takes 50 .22s to equal five 9s tho

>>32586734
Not only did this retard blow his gun up, he is pointing it at himself.

>>32586774
I'm pretty sure it's not going to fire

>>32582767
>AVERAGE
that means the uses of defensive guns where zero or one rounds are expended are drawing down the magdumps. Now you need to go find the fucking median of that study and then realize you also need to look at the range of distribution.

>>32582830
Myth #5a Corollary: a difference 0.1" in expansion diameter because of caliber, grain weight, and construction has nearly zero relevance to vital CNS hits that stop assailants

>>32583266
this

>>32585633
200j is not a significant difference despite the visuals provided by a 7lb target plate moving in the leaden wind

>>32585427
>I buy belts anyways.
>Guns are cool so I'm buying it anyways.
>Holsters let me carry my gun conveniently.
>CPL lets me wear my gun in the holster in my car without having to disarm, which is inconvenient.

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>>32586810
>a difference 0.1" in expansion diameter
Now try solving for area, something that does matter.

>>32586852
It matters but marginally. 5.56 leaves a smaller hole than any of them yet is a far deadlier round.

>>32586852
+60% of a pinprick is still one and a half pinpricks, area is irrelevant when the total gain is microscopic compared to the beaten zone

>muh 45 is 60% muh covrage den yur 9kek
>I only ned 10 runds to yur... 16?
my pistol carries 17
>herpdurp fuddy fiv is stil dah bettuh wun cause da maff sez so

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>>32586884
>Muh low capacity 45

>>32585997
This
>>32586084

And modern 380 is pretty good.

>>32586258
It wasn't loaded and/or safety was on. Not even comparable.

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>>32586903
>14
U srs rite naw?

>>32586884
>Muh guns hold mur boolits so it's better
>Hillary got more votes so she should be President
That's what you sound like.

>>32586884

When I'm looking for baseless retarded opinions, I'll be sure to hit you up.

>>32586960
Off topic, I hated when he had to say this. Everybody with half a brain knows none of those "I got made fun of because of my Hijab" and related stories were fucking bullshit.

>>32586980
Meant to say knows that none of those stories were true.

>>32586967
naw, more like I need more bullets because I have no idea if I can accurately hit CNS shots reliably

I just think it's dumb for people so confident in their accuracy to go on about area when virtually any CNS hit is a good one and that 60% bonus coverage means zilch regardless of a hit or miss and relying on the excess coverage to make up for being a tenth of an inch off just seems preposterous

get a scattergat

>>32586993
Pretty sad/funny that they all panned out to be BS, hopefully it keeps chipping away the thought of MSM being credible.

>>32585633
Doesn't make you any less retarded.

>>32585501
>9mmcuck damage control

Topkek

>>32588197
And that's why he likes 9mm. Because he's retarded like you

>>32579711
This

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>>32579650

Stopping power is a complete meme. I only carry .22 Short because shot placement is key.

>>32579711
t. atf

>>32582951
fuck off back to files you faggot

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>>32580934
the one that moves faster increasing penetration and expands deeper inside.

my 147g travel a little over 1000fps, how fast is your round bubba?

>>32589347
i hate you, but you're right.

can somebody make a non-retard version? the aesthetic is too real

>>32581560
The Moro Rebellion is why the .45 is relevant inside the US. Soldiers wanted a bigger calibre handgun than the .38s they where using and the US obliged them.

>>32586903
kek not even 15.

enjoy carrying that huge ass bring, ive got 20+1 rounds in my glock 19 and id bet good money its still smaller and lighter than that shit.

>>32589392
>What is overpenetration

>>32589455
with a JHPBT?

are you fucking high?

>>32589392
>my 147g travel a little over 1000fps, how fast is your round bubba?
Purty fast ya limp wristed cityfag.
Johnny’s Extreme Penetrator

Bullet Weight: 200 Grains
Bullet Style: Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator
Case Type: .460 Rowland® Brass
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 870 ft. lbs.
Power Factor: 280

>>32589514
bullshit unless your loading them hotter than +p you lying dumb ass.

Cartridge: 45 ACP +P
Bullet weight (gr): 200
FTM - Fluid Transfer Monolithic
Box qty: 20
Velocity (fps): 950
OAL (in): 1.230
Penetration (in): 27.0
Wound cavity (in): 2.00

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>>32589514
and those rounds are $2 a piece, your not only a cuck, but a dumb memecuck.

>>32589628
>he doesn't carry a .46

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>>32589648
>literally what

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>>32589698
This
.460 Rowland case allows hotter loads than 45 super or +p. Can be shot from glocks, XDs, & 1911s with a barrel swap and change of springs.
And yes they make a new .960, but it doesn't give you as much as the .460.

>>32589796
im good on meme rounds.

>>32579721
Even though I support 9mm as a viable round, he's right. Crime statistics show you don't even need more than 3 rounds.