What's wrong with the Remington 700 that the Army feels

>>32564330
>Remington
So yes
>.308
Antiquated round. .280 AI and 7mm-.08 do everything it does but better.

>>32564330

they're both crappy cartridges desu but you might as well take advantage of the fact that you've got a long action receiver. the XM2010 was undoubtedly an upgrade.

>>32564346
Shouldn't one consideration for adopting a sniping weapon across an entire army be the availability of its ammo? If your machine guns also take the same round, there'll be more to go around than if you have a round specific to one weapon in your armory.

>>32564400

This isn't a video game.

The army doesn't send snipers out with fucking infantry battalions and shit. If you're referring to an infantryman filling a dedicated marksman role, then that would make sense. A two man sniper/spotter team should be fucking nowhere near the 240b.

>>32564400
availability of ammo isn't an issue if it is adopted by an army.

Also snipers don't patrol with machine guns. Snipers are their own cell in a company/battalion.

>>32564409
what's the army using for DMR nowaday? some type of ar10 variant or the m14 EBR?

>>32564441

It actually varies. I've seen MPs with the M110 and infantry cats with the M14. You still see them in theater without the EBR chassis in addition to with it. I'm AF not army, I have no idea what the huas are using for that role but it would appear that there isn't a specially designated rifle for that role like the marines have.

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Don't mind me, I just think military sniper rifles look neat.

>>32564441
HK417 in Australia I believe.
I was told be Corporals that in Afghanistan, the average infantry contact was 500m or more, so 5.56mm wasn't doing shit, even from the LMG, so they needed a bigger round to hit further

>>32564330
>.300WM

Why not go to .338LM?

>>32564400

delinked MG ammo sucks balls accuracy-wise. M118LR/M316 is the preferred 7.62x51mm for the M24, not the M80 you use in a MG.

>>32564496

This.

>>32564483
.338 is in use but tree hundred winmag is standard issue.

it looks more tacticool

>>32564400
Snipers units were already loading up with special snowflake 7.62 rounds because using MG ammo sucks ass
They also don't shoot their rifles as much as an M4 or MG during a firefight

>>32564538
He's asking why didn't they make .338 standard issue like all the other NATO countries

>>32567622

because you can ream out the existing M24 barrels for .300 WM, whereas a .338 needs an entirely new barrel.

>>32564330
because the main point of the military is to spend as much money as possible

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>>32564441
HK CSASS soon.

>>32564330
Now that a semiauto 7.62 has been adopted there's no reason to have a bolt action 7.62. Original plan with the M24 was always for 7.62 to be stop gap to while they developed a longer range .30 caliber round, hence the long action. They waited so long it made more sense to adopt a new rifle rather than convert the 7.62s.

>>32564471
This is why I'm not a fan of multicam for green enviroments. Pinch your eyes together and it looks mostly tan

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>>32564346
>anything less than 30 caliber

Oh fuck right off.

>>32570112
thuddy gayliber is retarded.

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>>32570112
>caliber being a tenth of an inch larger is more important than muzzle energy

bad news son youre retarded

>>32568640
God that's beautiful!

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>>32564330
i screencapped this for you from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtlwoNCNnFA

watch the whole playlist if it's your thing

>>32564346
>7mm-.08
my man

>>32570767
5.56 is obviously not the ideal long distance round but using 55 grain ball instead of something like 77 grain TMK is intellectually dishonest.

>>32564358
Hey moron the M24 came with a long action.

>>32570112
Go get shot by 7mm Remington and we'll talk about that again.

>>32570812
notice how the line below that is a 68gr BTHP round which performs four times as well at 500m?

>>32570767
Using the 168gr SMK for the .308 is also pretty disingenuous. If anything a 175gr should be used for comparison to the M118lr with its 173gr smk. But whatever that's pretty much semantics.

>>32568640
>dat OSS suppressor

I hate HK but damn that looks good.

I play video games so I know what I'm talking about.

>>32570842
>>32570112
Go get shot by a piss-filled water pistol and we'll talk about the "go get shot by" meme again.

>>32570927
I own an M24 so I know what I'm talking about.

>>32571019
And how many human beings have you shot at long range with this m24?

>>32564330
>New supply
We've had 300wm in inventory since the 90s. A171 I believe.

>>32571037
None?

>>32571092
So how do you know what is the most effective sniper rifle for the US military?

>>32571129
Not him, but considering that, to the sniper, a paper target or deer is no different than a human, therefore anon could be capable of rating for accuracy, comfort, reliability in various weather conditions, and maintenance.

>>32571187
>>32571187

Odds are, he isn't accurate with it, hasn't shot another rifle to compare comfort, has not tried it in anything but perfect weather, and maintains it maybe once every three months when he shoots it.

What I'm really getting at here is that people are just talking out of their asses like they know what the fuck they're saying. If he even owns a 700 and refers to it as an m24, he still has not tried anything else discussed in this thread. You cannot compare two things while only trying one.

>>32571129
I know because it's the exact same rifle as the xm2010 but with H&S precision stock and internal magazine...
Some m24's were even rechambered to .300wm, an unofficially modified version with removable magazine and threaded barrel was also known to exist.
As a rifle itself it's phoenomonly accurate, comfortable, reliable even tho the worst I've used it in is freezing rain and it has a sense of confidence. Perfect? No. But it's nothing more than cosmetic differences from the Xm2010.

>>32570812
iirc he says that's only there for reference, it's not a serious suggestion

>>32570891
i agree with that, i practice with .308 myself, rex seems like kind of a purist. but then again i put holes in paper at "short" range and he killed people.

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>>32571261
Lol

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>>32571261
You're the one talking out your ass

>>32571307
I see you've posted a picture of a target where all of the shots are to the bottom right of the center, though well grouped.

What's that even supposed to mean? You could have shot those at 10m for all we know. That could be anybody else's picture for all we know. Even so, I only stated "odds are..." because that's the idea on this board. Most people talk a lot of shit and know nothing. The second paragraph of my previous post is really the focus for me.

>>32570767
We should have never left the 30-06

>>32570767
wow, 5.56 is a pathetic bitch

>>32571336
>Bottom right of the center
>Literally less than 1/8" from if not touching the bullseye
You do understand there's no possibile way I can make that small of an adjustment with 1/4minutes?

Have you literally never fired a gun or looked at a 100yd target in your life? There's no way In hell that's anything but a 3 round .308 group lol

>>32571382
You're still missing the point.

>>32571412
Not really man. I've fired ans handled many rifles in my day. You don't have to deploy with a rifle to give an accurate honest opinion. As is now I've actually shown proof to my statements, you're literally just talking out of your ass. You've probably never even been in the same room as either an M24 or an Xm2010. I've owned one and handeled the other.

>>32570858
Even that seems to have the same bias when Hornady makes a 75 grain version of the same round with a longer ballistic coefficient.

>>32571364
>BC 10% less than 7mm-08
>mass 10% more
>performance at every range: 10% less energy at best, occasionally worse
>30-06 OAL still 30% longer; administrivia somewhat easier with 7mm-08
>rarer than 30-06 but that's just a historical circumstance that can be changed in like a week with economies of scale
aww grandpa, do i have to? i like your round i just wanna have my own

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>>32571412
You're missing the point.
The M24, M24a2, a3 & XM2010 are all the EXACT same rifle with different stocks.
Just go look at them.
Same fucking rifle.

If anything we should be issuing the AI AX or DTA but nah fuck our boys overseas Remington needs the business.

>>32571453
Not anon you're arguing with but...holy shit could you be any more butthurt?
Other anon is posting pictures, OWNS the fucking rifle, has shot it many times, with good groups.

And you're sitting there bench shooting. I'll bet that you've never shot any humans with any rifle. Why do YOU know whats the best rifle for the military? Do you have pictures of your range targets? Have you shot the m24 in multiple weather conditions?

Get your head out of your ass anon. You're the one talking out of your ass because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, while denouncing someone elses opinions that he has an actual right to because he owns the rifle in question, and has shit on your accusations by posting pictures that he has shot it.

But nope. Your baseless assumptions are more accurate that someone who has had experience with the guns in question.

kys

>>32571453
>>32571702
WHOOPS. my bad anon. I replied to the wrong anon.

I meant to reply to
>>32571412

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>>32571702
Thanks anon. Here's my wall of guns as a treat.

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>>32573738
God damned cricket wireless nigger phone sorry here's a better picture not taken with a ghetto potato.

>>32564483
In my 17lb rifle with a huge as fuck brake, 338LM still has good bit of recoil. I can't imagine shooting that fucker with a 10lb suppressed rifle.

>>32570767
>dat .416 Barrett
Dayum. Too bad it's such a meme round.

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>>32568640
Not the final rifle, the army is still changing around the furniture/accessories
Currently it has a Geissele rail

>>32573799
I used to have a remington MLR in .338lm, weight was right at 14lb without optic. With the basic Remington break recoil was similar to a light 12ga with slugs, no where near as bad as you'd expect. Take away the break and it'd be a shoulder killer

>>32564330
TrackingPoint when?

>>32573738
>>32573778

lol thanks for the laugh

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>>32571334
Why would anyone buy a trumped up ass garbage hunting rifle that is the Remington 700 and expect it to perform well as a sniper rifle?

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>>32574775
Probably because it does?

>>32574775
It's more than just a standard r700 with some fancy shit on it. They're handmade handfit rifles held to a custom standard and rightfully so, one thing Remington has always done well is it's MIL contract builds which mostly get routed through the custom shop. R700's are assembly line guns and it shows. If you're ever in illion NY take a tour, it's free and youll learn.
>That being said I firmily believe the M24 was not worth anywhere near the $6000 uncle Sam paid for it BACK IN THE 80'S
>XM2010 still rape price
>Can buy 2 DTAs per xm2010
Don't expect government to do things well, without cronyism.

>>32573738
Despite the huge mess I like your house

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>>32575431
Thank you.
It's a decent bit cleaner now, left over crap from home office.
>M24 porn (not mine)

>>32573738
>>32573778
I want to know everything about how you fitted that diopter on the top rifle, especially the front sight

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>>32575723
Mainly because I made a sick attempt on a .22lr, pic related and I'd want to do this on a rem700 or a savage too

>>32564346

>.280AI

Why dont you just pick any old snowflake round you like then

>>32564358
>.300 win mag
>crappy

Bro u srs

Is it because it's not the 6.5-338 flavour of the month advertised in last month's Guns & Ammo?

>>32574775
I spent $600 on a brand new remington 700 long range. Shoots .7moa out of the box. 10/10 would recommend . My go to long range rifle with zero modifications

>>32570835

that was the point. it was a long action receiver with a short action .308/7.62x51mm chambering. you might as well go for the poorfag chamber reaming/new chassis solution.

>>32571336

Noguns spotted

>>32575322

it was a system. read up on the history of the M24's development and you'll realize how revolutionary it was at the time. it involves a special forces sergeant chucking the thing in a pelican case across the room, then standing on the pelican case and daring people to change it.

>>32577858

>after 1990
>belted magnum
>belted magnum with a long skinny case for terrible powder burn

>>32577971
So he wanted to keep the Pelican cases?

>>32574775
>trumped up ass garbage hunting rifle

CRF Winchester fanboi 4 lyfe here

The 700 is a better platform for customization and upgrading than just about anything else, minus Savage. Ease of barrel work is particularly important. A lot of "better" rifles require a lot more machining and fitting to rebarrel, which is gonna be a fairly regular procedure in a precision rifle that gets 10's of thousands of rounds put through it.

>>32577983

There's nothing wrong with using a belted magnum in this role. The .300 was/is well established and was already in service with many different gov't agencies. A plurality of load options were already available. A WSM or analogue doesn't offer anything from a military perspective - they aren't penny pinching handloaders worried about powder efficiency, and they seem to be happy with heavy as fuck rifles.

You enter a hopeless tailspin once you start saying "X established round is junk, toss it out because Y offers these minute improvements." We'd never get a gun off the assembly line before some wildcatter with a tube gun and a lathe bumped some numbers up and we had to tear it all up

>>32578042

there were a lot of things they wanted to change.

can't find the story anywhere. it came from M21/M24 inaccuracy issues or something.

>>32578210

>WSM

pleb

WSSSSSSSSSSSSSSM or go home. it's literally a cube with a 6.25mm bullet sticking out (caliber chosen to piss off 6mm and 6.5mm fags equally).

>>32575723
It's a receiver mounded Williams sight. My gunsmith found a mount for both the reciever and the barrel online. Was like $600. Worth every penny tho, I use it for club level iron sight competitions. It's a Remington XR100 .223.

>>32578244
This needs to be done.

>>32577971
Thats a half truth, the og M24 cases were all made by hardig and we're about 50lbs. Pelican didn't even have the contract for the M24 case till they outright bought hardig. The rifle itself is pretty far from revolutionary, it's an M40 with a heavier barrel, different stock, and sight option. 20 year old technology at the time. The real revolution came with the adoption of the rest of the sniper weapons system that was issued with the rifle. No longer was it just a man and his rifle it was a man his rifle and his tools. The SWS system is ~ 25 pieces of gear like a Mildot maste, early wind meeter, and Leupold 10x mk4 that paved the way for our modern snipers today.

>>32578224
I think you're confusing the m24 with the m21's constant issues. The m21's were the ones constantly having POI shifts and lackluster groups, thanks to the scope mounting system that's still absolute garbage.


Here's some decent reading
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/3/24/the-remington-m24-sniper-weapon-system/

>>32578054
>>32578210
>>32578244
Guys you're all forgetting something really important, these are sniper rifles, they're going to be deployed constantly till someone dies with it then it'll be deployed again to a a different soldier. there is no armory that can rebarrel your rifle in FOB. You need a rifle that will maintain MOA or better accuracy for over 10'000 rounds. Something the M24 excels. Some guys with the Iraqi army are still using the same M24's we left there years ago, some of those rifles must be nearing 30k at this point.

Most calibers wouldve ate the throught down to nothing with half the m24's service life. Previous article states 10k barrel life was a development requirement.

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>>32578821
ISOF w/M24

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>>32578873
More ISOF

>>32578873
Peta? All jokes aside. That dude knows camo.

>>32575723
>diopter
All I can hear is Dugan saying die-oh-peter

>>32564409
Except they do, and modern sniper teams are 9 men, not 2.

1 shooter, 1 spotter, 1 comms, rest pull security.

Also from a shard ammo perspective, it's good for logistics.