Aside from the fact that they are difficult to find, are these

>>32551677
>5.56 blaster
>1200 dollerydoos
It shoots bullets just like every other gun. Unless you really like the look, it's not worth spending that much on a gun chambered in the most standard caliber there is.

>>32551733

>this is how poorfags justify their bargain big guns

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>>32551733

there's the RFB but that shit is 2000 dollars and the front ejecting is weird

seems like a bit much

>>32551744
>1500 dollar gun shoots 5.56 caliber bullet
>500 dollar gun shoots 5.56 caliber bullet
MINE'S BETTER BECAUSE IT HAS (insert brand name) ON IT.

You've been jewed.

>>32551677
I want one baaad.

But my gut tells me to wait for the second model to come out.

>>32551759
RFB is way cooler. There aren't many bullpups that are real fucken NATO, but there are dozens of bullpups in 5.56.

In fact most bullpups are 5.56

>>32551677
I'd like it more with two additions:

>Dust cover over the ejection port
>Double-sided charging handle

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they are worth $1200 but you can get them for less, mine was $1050
>game with horrible writing not related
>>32551762
there's more to a firearm than turning money into noise
>>32551770
this is the second model. first model was the RFB and it was too difficult to manufacture. they have never made a firearm this polished before
>>32551792
CH can be swapped, no reason to have it on both sides

Apparently the trigger is good unlike most bullpups because it uses a different connecting system that puts the sear up next to the trigger that then interacts with the connecting bar to the hammer, instead of the trigger just interacting with the connecting bar which then interacts with the sear.

>>32551817
>there's more to a firearm than turning money into noise
If you really like whatever $1000+ 5.56 bullet tube you bought that's fine.

Just don't lie to yourself about it functioning better than a gun that costs half as much.

>>32551733
So that means there's no reason to buy any other handgun than a hi-point?

>>32551817
>CH can be swapped, no reason to have it on both sides

So? I want to be able to switch shoulders on the fly.

>>32551840
Hi-Point does not function equally to guns that costs 400 dollars.

>>32551677
>Is any Meme-tec worth the price?
Nope.

>>32551817
>first model was the RFB

lol

>>32551733
>>32551744
It's not the fact that it shoots 5.56 that makes it not worth that much, it's the fact that it's a Kel Tec that makes it not worth that much. For the record I actually like Kel tec and don't buy in to 99% of the Kel Tec memes, I just recognize that thy are supposed to be wallet friendly guns.

>>32551848
And yet spending differing amounts for rifles in 5.56 is absurd...

>>32551833
$1k is the benchmark for a good rifle in today's world

You can build an AR for $500, but if you don't spend at least $800 you aren't going to get worthwhile parts and you will end up swapping them down the road. Cry once.
>>32551846
You can. The design isn't debilitating. It's also really fucking cool to have an HK charging handle, but if it's not your cuppa that's on you.

Reminder that you don't need the CH 95% of the time after chambering your first round. There is a separate bolt release.

>>32551881
>You can build an AR for $500, but if you don't spend at least $800 you aren't going to get worthwhile parts and you will end up swapping them down the road
Provide evidence of your claim

>>32551873
Do you not understand the feature set of this rifle? There is nothing in its price range to compete. $1k for a 5.56 bullpup is wallet friendly. God forbid you look at the competition.

>>32551792

It seems like it'd be pretty easy to add a little flap with a spring on the ejection port, and judging from the mud test it'd be an incredibly useful addition, I wonder why they don't

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>>32551891
If your AR isn't free floated it is automatically trash. You can't get a free floated build with an acceptable barrel for less than $800.
>post AR

>>32551855
>$400 OTD for my S2k Gen 2 was well worth it market wise since they go for like $600. I wouldn't have paid anymore for it, I just happened to get lucky and find a place that had one for actual MSRP and not meme priced

>>32551873
>Cheaper than a tavor by like 600 dollars at minimum
>better
>not worth it

>>32551905
>If your AR isn't free floated it is automatically trash.
Most people aren't skilled enough marksmen to the point that a free floated barrel matters. The M16 isn't free floated and it kills hajjis just fine.

>>32551905
>If your AR isn't free floated it is automatically trash.

y

>>32551927
>>32551928
Rest your handguard on anything or use a sling and watch your POI shift. Shit gets crazy when you have a lighter profile barrel.

This is a problem with all rifles that have their handguard attached to the barrel, and varies depending on the rigidity of the barrel. You can screw up POI on an AK pretty easily with a sling. Don't try to brace with the sling like you would with an older bolt action.

>>32551891
He's a faggot for insisting on free-floating, but $500 ARs tend to omit dust covers, or have plastic lowers.

Chrome lining's not necessary, but it is nice. You can't get that for less than $800.

>>32551969
Super cheapo ARs usually have heavy barrels, because turning them down costs money.

>>32551969
Then why do the militaries of the world still used barrel fixed hardguards? Most fighting happens at relatively close range, even in war zones.

When in civ life will I need to do home defense at 500+ yards?
>>32551973
I built a 80% aluminum AR for 500 bucks and it has a dust cover.

>>32551969
Have you explained to the DoD this amazing information you've discovered so that they can replace all their automatically trash rifles?

>>32552008
>look how cheap my DIY AR is if I ignore the cost of the tools

>>32551984
So long as you understand.

An A2 front sight slingpoint on a carbine length AR will also be closer to the receiver and will allow for less flex, but it's still an issue. That's how the cheap ones tend to come configured.

You also get other generally unforeseen problems from cheap ARs like pins walking out due to poor parts or tolerances. When it comes to the point that you want to replace your lower you've already lost. Just be informed, whatever you do.

>>32552008
Not really, most small arms engagements occur between 200m and 300m. Don't sell yourself short.
>>32552022
lol, give them another 30 years. even if the DoD is aware (they are), they wouldn't move today or tomorrow.

>>32552080
>Not really, most small arms engagements occur between 200m and 300m
What do you think I meant by relatively short range?

Marines qual just fine at 500 yds with A2 handguards.

>>32552080
>Not really, most small arms engagements occur between 200m and 300m.

Shooting benches set up on opposite ends of a 200 to 300m field to create the only possible conditions where the handguard would make a difference, I assume.

>>32551677
>Are these good?
>It's a kel-tec.

>>32551855
>Meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme meme
/Meme

>>32552271
>I just repeat things I hear on the internet
Ok man.

>>32552530
>Don't own guns because I can't take criticism of kel-tec or be aware they produce shit.

By all means buy one. I hope it blows up in your face.

>>32552987
You're pretty new aren't you?

>>32552987
when has there ever been a documented case of an RDB blowing up?

>>32553046
Nope. Just tired of the absolute cock suckers that are clueless about guns and belong in pol or b rating each other's cocks talking about shit they know nothing about. Fuck off, leave me alone.

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>>32553077
>Shit they know nothing about
You mean like you?

>>32553092
Don't you have some dicks to rate?

>>32553101
Oh please, tell me more about guns that I own but you've never even seen. I'm really enthralled here.

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>>32553077
>>32553092
btfo
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>>32553116
You like kel-tec, good for you. It's your money down the drain. If something doesn't go wrong (I personally hope you have a squib load and get fragments in your face) you still have a meme gun because they have such horrible standards.

Oh, does it just piss you off that much you own something I have zero respect for? Good.

>>32553092

Tell me anon, if you were only allowed to keep one which would you

Taking rarity and value out of the equation of course

>>32553135
What was that you were saying? Something about people talking about things they don't know shit about?
>I was merely pretending!
Uh huh, sure you were chief. What guns do you own anyways?

>>32553156
What in the fuck kind of argument was that? Pretending? Based on what? You're young still. It's obvious.

>>32553135
>I'm embarrased and now i'm acting edgy in an attempt to save face

>>32553146
I'll assume you mean sentimental value as well, because I got the FS2000 with the money my mother left when she died. So it's kind of special to me.

Anyways, probably the RFB. Just as reliable as the FS2000, but with a better trigger and it's a 308, so I can do a little more with it. It's a tough time choice between those two though, both are outstanding rifles.

>>32553167

Do you prefer the RFB over the RDB simply because of the caliber or is it really that much better of a rifle?

>>32553181
Because he bought something you don't like with his own money?

You're the worst kind of fanboy

>>32553192
Nope. I was trolled first. Deal with it.

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>>32553195

Either you are incredibly autistic or you are pretending to be incredibly autistic, either way it's embarrassing.

>>32553187
Better? Jury is out on that. I've had my RFB since 2/2012 and put about 10k rounds through it. The RDB I've taken out once a couple weeks ago and put 200 rounds through it, and about one mag of that was getting the gas set and the optic zeroed. So I can't accurately say which is better.

I can say however that the RFB is much nicer rifle, in terms of finish and design. It feels like a higher quality rifle. Not knocking the RDB, but you can see why one is substantially cheaper and easier to produce.

>>32553205
How's not having a life treating you?

>>32551759
my buddy has one of these, it's pretty fun to shoot.

>>32553256
They're pretty fun. If you have the money I highly recommend getting one.

>>32551677
>1,200
Huh, last I checked they're being sold for 1,0XX amount

>>32552008
>Then why do the militaries of the world still used barrel fixed hardguards?
Pricing and logistics. Just because the military uses it doesn't mean its better.

>>32551677
Would be nice to see them in Canada.

>>32551905
I guess i was just dreaming about those PSA upper deals

>>32555759
They hover between $1050 and $1300, depending on the dealer and how many are available at the moment.

>>32556379
Is the RFB compatible with 30 round L4 Bren magazines?

>>32557810
No, though you can use 30rnd metric FAL mags.

>>32551677
Check around at your LGS'.
One of mine had one for $900 a few months ago. I about shat myself when i saw the price tag.

If I didn't own an AUG, I would have walked out with it...although I'm still not truly sold on kel-tec's "improved" QC when it comes to my money.