Did the allies ever create anything that wasn't a blatant

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>>32536332

Nice try Mr. Zogstein, it's clearly about the superiority of Nazi WEAPONS

Nazi weapons were shit, and you're a wehraboo.

You know how I know the Allies had better shit? They fucking won.

The only good design the Germans had of the war was the fucking Jerry Can.

>>32536371
This

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>>32536371
>>32536398

Allies only won because of numbers of human wave tactics wtf.

Without them they would have no hope against the invincible Nazi blitzkrieg technology and The Reich would last a thousand years.

>>32536332
Zog defense force...get out!

this is clearly a thread about weapons....master race weaons

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>>32536424
>(You)

>>32536264

I miss the Third Reich too, OP, but you have no chance here.

99.9% of /k/ was raised on FOX news and watching Saving Private Ryan. The only reality they know is "le evil Nazis ate babies and have moon bases guise."

Having an intelligent discussion about what used to be fact and common knowledge up until the early 90's with /k/ is even more impossible than one of them getting laid.

>>32536424
What is: an atomic bomb?

The allies would have won through technological superiority if not through brute force earlier.

>>32536468

Read the OP's post

Nazis made the first nukes

>>32536458
Cuck alert. Go back to redit.

>>32536264
>this is what naziboos actually believe

lol burgers can't handle the truth look up operation highjump

nazis won the war get over it

>>32536601
>nazis won the war
Maybe if you're subscribed to the retarded "If you kill your enemies, they win" school of thought.

>>32536424
Lets break down that list of yours.

> Hur dur the AK47 is an STG44

Yes, the AK follows the same concept as an STG, with an intermediate cartridge and fully automatic fire. Mechanically though, very different. Also, the Americans had also stumbled upon this idea separately with the introduction of the M2 Carbine.

> Hur dur completley unwieldy and impractical night vision

First off, that thing on the M48 is a fucking flashlight. Secondly, The US/Britain was developing nightvision simultaneously as the Germans. Thirdly, like most German things of WWII, it was expensive at a time when they could have really used that money for something else that would have reliably worked and made an impact on the war.

>Me262 was first!

Holy crap is that serious? The Meteor entered service right after the 262 and YP-80s were flying over Italy by April 1945. The Allies looked at captured Me 262, and decided that their tech worked better, because it did. 1400 Me262s were produced, but only 200 were ever working at one time. Reliability is a real thing in war. Germans didn't realize this.

>He178 looks like a Yak 15!

Yeah, from that angle. If you look at the Yak-15 from another angle you'd realize you're an idiot.

>German jet bombers!

So you're saying the Germans had the idea of putting engines under the wing? Because that's about all those aircraft have in common in terms of design. It also wasn't very good at bombing, because it had a pretty tiny bomb load, so they used it for recon.

>First Helicopter to be first used in a war!

Yeah, and it was a goofy design that wasn't very good. That's why every helicopter you see today looks more like the US R-4 that was also used in the war. Oh, and the Germans built a whopping 24 Kolibris. I'd hardly call that "mass production" when the US built 131 R-4s.

>>32536611

Look up Operation Highjump, Nazis sank the US Navy near Antarctica.

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The MP44 shares almost no commonality with the AK47, except for parts of the gas system.

>>32536660

>IT SHARES ALMOST NO COMMONALITY
>EXCEPT THE IMPORTANT PARTS

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the Opel Blitz, Germany's primary motor transport, was an American design - in fact, Opel Motorworks was a subsidiary of GM.

In addition, at the peak of its technological advancement, the Wehrmacht was never more than 15% motorized. 85% of Germany's army walked into combat.

>>32536264
>this shitty bait image again

why can't we have mods that actually ban faggots like OP?

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>>32536674

>whaa whaa they used a truck

>disregards all the advanced Nazi weapons that you couldn't even imagine today

>>32536685
>this shitty JIDF shilling

Why can't we have mods that actually ban faggots like you?

>>32536671
Are you trolling or do you genuinely not know what you're talking about?

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German intelligence was so inept, that at one point literally all german agents on foreign soil were either captured, known of, or were working as double agents. The Allies ran circles around German intelligence throughout the entire war.

After WW2, the Allies even sold captured enigma machines to allies of the Soviet Union, because nobody knew that the code had been cracked. Enigma continued to give the Western powers intel until the seventies.

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Did /pol/ ever create something that wasn't a blatant copy of Mein Kampf?

Imagine how advanced we would be if /pol/ developed an original idea.

>>32536674
>be GM
>make millions selling material to the nazis
>get your factories bombed
>make more millions in reparations from the allies

hundreds of thousand of americans died for this.

>>32536685
IPs which also browse /pol/ should be automatically banned from posting on /k/

>>32536615
>>>32536424

>Horton Meme Plane

Northrop developed that flying wing design shown as the "copy" before they had even heard the word Horton. Plus, I don't know if you noticed, but right below where it said "First Turbojet flying wing" there's a picture of a fucking glider you fucking wehraboo.

> Von Braun

Yeah, but you know who he learned everything from? Robert Goddard, USA born and raised. Also, nice typos. No one will ever believe you if you say "Leaded the Nasa and the Apollo Mission"

> V2 Rocket/ V1 missile

Yeah, they were pretty cutting edge, but they also a huge waste of time for Germany, and probably helped lose the war more than anything. They consumed more than a third of Germany's fuel alcohol production and huge amounts of other resources they needed for stuff like actual fighting machines, or food (the alcohol came from potatoes). They also didn't have enough explosive to put warheads in them, so they often times just used concrete.That's not very smart, Nazis.

> They had the atom bomb first!

Yeah, pure, unadulterated bullshit. That photo is a hoax, and that didn't happen at all.Who knows though, it may have happened if only the Germans didn't consider it to be "Jew science" and drive everyone who knew a thing about it out of the country.

In conclusion, German tech sucked. The Allies may not have been first, but they actually made sure it worked before desperately putting it into production.

PS: Germany wasn't even very mechanized. Their entire "lightning war" was completely dependent on the fucking horse.

Go suck on a Luger, you fucking wehraboo.

>>32536713
Really? I never knew tha about the Enigmas. If true, that's pretty funny.
When it comes to the early Cold War, it seems like the Soviets pulled more fast ones. Like getting the British to agree to sell them jet engines, promising not to put them on military aircraft, immediately putting them onto the MiG-15 and IL-28, and then not even paying the British.

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>>32536734

Nice blog, you should post it on your tumblr.

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German armor superiority is mostly a myth. Throughout the entire war, Germany was playing catch-up to tanks like the T-34 and the KV-1; they ignored their successful designs in favor of developing impractical 'advanced' tanks which experienced crippling mechanical problems and served no strategic purpose.

Germany was never able to learn important lessons regarding strategic production; it took Albert Speer's overhaul of the armaments ministry to stop war factories from closing down on nights and weekends. They continued, even then, to design weapons which were expensive to produce and didn't fill a meaningful niche.

and here I was thinking the retards crossposting from /pol/ would be gone after the elections
also
>mods being actually competent at preventing such blatant shitposting

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>>32536713
>Nazi wartime "Intelligence"

I can't stop chuckling every time I remember this guys story

>>32536734
>Yeah, pure, unadulterated bullshit

To compound on this anon's point, here is a transcript of German scientists when the bombs dropped
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf

And while we are at it,

The Bismark lost it's FCS as soon as it fired its main battery, it couldn't shoot down a biplane in a glassy smooth lake, much less the North Atlantic, and no, it doesn't get a pass because it was scuttled. That thing was going down no matter what.

The Tiger/Panther series were more likely to break down than actually fight, and their armor wasn't actually that big of a deal.

Plus, the Germans couldn't even build a bomber that could come close to matching the allies.

But you know, THE STG44 TOTALLY LOOKS LIKE AN AK FROM 100 METERS AWAY

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Despite their development of the jet engine, German aircraft design was still half a decade behind the allies throughout the entire war.

About the Mosquito, Herman Goering had this to say:

>"In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set - then at least I'll own something that has always worked."

>>32536752
that's mainly because hitler was a tier 1 spectrum child who insisted with MUH WUNDERWAFFLES UND INVINCIBLE UBERMENSCH CANT BE DEFEATED and embarked the whole war effort into retarded goose chases of impractical concepts
the fact that no one in the whole country had the balls to call him out on his shit didn't help either
>germans are superior guise
>can't even handle an autistic austrian corporal with a manlet syndrome and a rampant coke addiction
loving every laugh

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>>32536748
>Believing in Nazi UFOs
Next you're going to tell us how they also knew magic, yes?

>>32536752
If you say the words 'Final Drive' into a mirror three times, somewhere a wehraboo will break down in tears.

>>32536785
>that's mainly because hitler was a tier 1 spectrum child who insisted with MUH WUNDERWAFFLES UND INVINCIBLE UBERMENSCH CANT BE DEFEATED

all of Nazi Germany's leadership was like that. The administration was rotten to the core.

Ferdinand Porsche was the allies greatest weapon.

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>>32536792
Speer wasn't.

>tfw when you just want to make cool building but Hitler tells you to make his administration not a fuck up
>tfw when Hitler won't let you make his administration not a fuck up

>>32536752
I argue the point that Tiger I was necessary. Germany needed a heavy tank and the Tiger worked fantastically in that role.
Yes it was complex, but all the complexity worked towards making the crew fight as effectively as possible. The issues only began once the Germans lost their railways (needed to transport heavy vehicles long distances) and when the crews began to be killed off.
The only part of the Tiger I that should have been changed was the suspension, and that's solely due to how much of a hassle it was to fix.

>>32536727
Agreed

>>32536782
See, this is what happens when you avoid copying.

If it was such a good idea, why not clone the Mosquito? As I recall, the big thing about it was that bullets would just pass straight through it, and it was too slow to tail - the speed was lower than many planes' stall speed.

>>32536781
Well the Germans came close to a heavy bomber, the He-177.
But there were delays, and the engines frequently caught fire, because Goering decided that a four-engine bomber needed to be capable of divebombing. Then once the idiocy was realized, he forbid Heinkel from fixing the deign because he was too ashamed and didn't want the thing mentioned again.

Then there's the whole debacle between the Me-262 where fighter and bomber commanders were at each others throats because they both wanted the jet aircraft and nobody could decide who was going to get it.

>>32536264
>Enriched Uranium
Actually U-234 was carrying Uranium Oxide, which is unrefined. The German scientists working on nuclear fission and fusion actually determined it was a unreliable or too inconvenient to use as a weapon, something the US didn't learn about until after Germany's defeat.

>>32536264
That Tomahawk is clearly British not American.

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>How to make /pol/ go and stay go

We're not your fucking colony. Every year you statist socialist fucks crawl out of your containment zone.

Go back to colonizing leddit. Better yet, make a tumblr colony.

>>32536814
You don't need a heavy breakthrough tank when you're on the defensive, and the damn things died to shermans.

>>32536832
The mosquito was not a slow plane. You might be thinking of the Swordfish? the attempted clone was the Focke-Wulf Ta 154.

>>32536797
>Ferdinand Porsche was the allies greatest weapon.

>shitty tub geometrics
>shitty wheels
>shitty suspension
>shitty tracks
>shitty turrets
>shitty guns
>shit sights
>shitty coms

german tank tub/chassis design is what lost the ground war. they were poorly laid out, huge and unvield to produce which took time and tremendous facilities.

>>32536812
Poor Speer.

The one guy - the ONE guy - that could have fixed shit, and he got stuck working with a pack of tards.

Jesus Christ, his life must have been sheer hell.

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>>32536882
Fuck you, man, it's a Hybrid. I'm going green and saving this planet from the poor, dumb humans and the Allies can't stop me.

Don't even use trucks to transport my shit, got horses for that.

>Imagine how advanced we would be if the Nazis won.
A fuckload less advanced, probably.

The Americans and Russians took Nazi scientists, and bankrolled them with a much budget than they otherwise would've had, to pursue research they otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford with resources that far surpassed what Germany would've had.

>>32536877
They were built when the Germans were still on the offensive. Encountering KVs and T-34s that the Pz IIIs and IVs were having difficulty with. Later in the war, yeah, the 100mm of frontal armor on the Tiger wasn't special. But in 1942, when the Germans were still dictating when and where fights took place, the Tiger worked well.
And dying to a Sherman is not an indication of any weakness, the M4 was an extremely capable tank.

>>32536915
the sad part is, you could have made 1.5 better tanks from the steel used to make one of those and it would have been better armoured and lighter.

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>>32536944
I wish I had 0.5 tanks. Shit would get me ALL the chicks.

>>32536949
>what is math?
t. you

>>32536611

The Nazis had the moral high ground.

>>32536949
>0.5 tanks

you mean halftracks?

>>32536965
Too bad "morals" can't fuel tanks or tow artillery.

>>32536968
Two tigers vs Three better tanks.

>>32536475
Why didn't they use them if they were pumping them out?

>>32537016

but antigravity mercury engines can

see:

>>32536748
>>32536710

>>32537031
>Why didn't they use them if they were pumping them out?

because Nazis were all about jeans and the weapons would have destroyed german jeans and made the lands hostile to life for a long time. nukes are only an option for cruel inhuman savages like americans and russians.

>>32537034
So the Nazis had some mythical power source, but they didn't immediately put it into mass production...?
Confirmed for being fucking retards.

>>32537034
See: >>32536786

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Just like how the Chinese are wrongfully accused of copying and stealing when really it's that "similar goals result in similar design"

>>32537111

To be fair, a lot of those are licensed, but the Chinese do actually try peek at their classmate's papers fairly often. The Soviets did it too, see the TU-4.

>>32536264
>USA got their uranium from Germany
Uh no, most of it came from Canada.

>>32537139
It's not just the military industry they are peeking into, they are shoving their hands into every cookie jar they can get into, grabbing the recipe and making their own. A big problem is them stealing a companies intellectual property then reselling much lower than the company they stole it from, essentially knocking them out of them market if it's done well.

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If Nazi's won we'd all be sucking slav dick

>>32536458
>What used to be fact
Almost everything in OP's pic is unrelated to the design made by the Germans or made irrelevant by similar advances made during the same time period.
>>32536748
>gets btfo on every point
>lol nice blog
The average mind of the /pol/tard everyone.

>>32537111
If a wolf eats three sheep, then a fourth disappears, you'd be well within reason to blame the wolf, wouldn't you?

>inb4 4chan contrarianism

>>32537150

That's almost as retarded as the claim that Canadians were the most dangerous and bloodthirsty fighters in WW1.

Canada has always been and always will be an irrelevant, metrosexual, faggoty, socialist shithole.

Stop pretending you matter.

>>32536424
let's play: Who fell asleep in history class?

>>32537150
Some from Colorado and the congo too.

Also, /pol/ guy, Tube Alloys started up before the Manhattan project, so while you can happily argue that the USA stole it's nukes, you really can't say they stole it from the nazis.

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>>32537237
But he's right. There's plenty of Uranium here in Canada, especially in the Athabasca region of Northern Saskatchewan. Up until 2009 we were the largest producers of Uranium worldwide.

You're wrong.

>>32537237
>le bully canada maymay
If I were to move to another country, I'd probably choose Canada over America tbqhwy,ybw,dsf (to be quite honest with you, you bootlicking wanker, desu sempai famalam)

I'd also cross the border and illegally vote for the Hillariest candidate, and then tease you about it while California spreads it's tentacular influence across the country.

Also, he's right. Canada, Australia, and Kazakhstan produce most of the world's uranium. I doubt Germany's reserves were really industrially-viable, especially back then.

Some other tales of Third Reich incompetence:
-Inability to create a sniper program: Sell scopes off saying "We don't need them", War starts, need scopes, Make ZF-41 for designated marksmen - no need for snipers, reverse that: we need snipers, give them ZF-41. snipers end up with inadequate scope, marksmen end up with nothing.

-Everything involving the StG-44. The weapon eventually ends up in the hands of soldiers, after much politics and going behind Hitler's back, but it is too late to make any difference. Not that a rifle would have changed the course of the war, but you get the picture. A good idea was shot down because someone was stuck in the past, much like how Generals at the start of WW1 were.

-Wadffen-SS creates camo patterns. They trademark them so the Heer cannot use them. Just a tiny example of the squabbling and rivalry between the party and the military.

>>32536748
Uh, uh, uhhhh, I'll just go "tl;dr" in a way that'll make him look like a group I don't like, yeah, that'll show him!

>>32537362
>Wadffen-SS creates camo patterns. They trademark them so the Heer cannot use them

Didn't the US marines do exactly the same thing?

>>32536264
We would be roughly as advanced as we are now, maybe even a little less advanced.

As for your pic, anything devolped after the war, kinda used German scientists. Anything from during or just after is a fluke (like how every power on earth was looking into the idea of an assualt rifle at the time and the AK and STG have nothing internally in common at all).

How about we look at a couple things the Nazis didn't invent.
>Jet engines were first tested before the war in England
>The G43 is a ripoff of the SVT40
>The British created radar and shared it with the Americans only
>Yes the Germans managed to "enrich" uranium but their design for an atomic bomb was a dead end. Doesn't matter how much fissionable material you make if you can't make it fiss...

>>32537493
I'm not sure if they did.
They had their own patterns because they were primarily fighting in the Pacific. Where as the Army was more in Africa/Europe, so I don't know how much use they would have gotten out of Marine patterns. Army Soldiers in the Pacific were just wearing their olive uniforms which seemed to work well enough.

>>32536875
Let's not get confused about nazis and socialists now, comrade. There are still some true /k/omrades here who hate these nazis just as much as you do.

>>32537577
Sorry, I meant quite recently. Wasn't there some stupid inter service dickwaving contest over marpat?

>>32537632
Oh. Yeah. The Marines want MARPAT (Marine Pattern- just to make sure you KNOW who it's for) for themselves.
And as silly as it is, it's not so bad since the other branches already have camo patterns.

Though I do see some unsettling familiarity between the US and Nazi Germany when it comes to procurement/design of new tech and equipment. Lots of politics behind it or rivalry between the branches. But things are not nearly as bad in the US as they were in Germany.

>>32536264
Aircraft carriers

>>32537777
I think a better question would be 'did the nazis have any ideas the British didn't invent first'.

>>32537794
genocid... oh... right

>>32537777

Carriers stopped being relevant the moment ICBMs were first prototyped.

>>32536814
Tiger was a resource-wasting mistake. Germany should have built more and better StuGs instead. Check their kill rate. Turrets are overrated and terribly expensive. Ditch the turret, you can build many more tanks.

Tiger production rates a shit.

>>32536965
>The Nazis had the moral high ground.

Morals are subjective fictions. That's why morality doesn't win wars.

>>32537064
>jeans

Levi is a Jewish name

>>32536264
>Canberra
>USA
triggered

>>32537714
Marines wanted MARPAT because they said there was a considerable difference in raghead behavior when facing Marines instead of Army so they didn't want to be confused with less intimidating forces.

>>32537837
That's like saying ground forces stopped being relevant when ICBMs were prototyped.

Millions of carrier attack and other sorties later suggest you may be as stupid as the US long ago when the Pentagon thought nukes would make conventional war obsolete.

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>>32537910
>Morals are subjective fictions.
Somebody hasn't read his Socrates. Or anybody else.

>>32537927
>Canberra
Queanbeyan is better.

>>32536901
*speer hell
FTFY, bro.

>>32538030
Phil, you believe the sky fairy will beat your ass when you die if you're a bad boy. Your opinions on moral objectivity are questionable at best.

>>32536747
Yup, not only were the Brits listening in on the repackaged Enigmas's, they had also cracked the US SIGABA ciphers for the lulz

>>32538176
You're dispensing with the standards and practices that make Western Civ worth a fuck, much of which predates the Jewish carpenter guy. I counsel you to unfuck yourself and start with Socrates.

>>32536475
>read opie's post
>read
Because if you READ it says they had enriched uranium fuckwad, not nukes

>>32536332
quit quoting your shitty autistic wapanese cartoon bullshit.

>>32537714
Part of the reason for shit like that is so someone else can't come along and trademark/copyright it.

It happened to the Mountie uniform for a while, because Disney put Mickey in it.

>>32538323
>implying Socrates wouldn't bitchslap you if he ever met you
And considering you're opinions on just about everything, you've probably never read Socrates either.

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>>32536264
V1=Tomahawk

>>32536264
herp derp just because nazi had good engineering makes them better than everyone herp dep

>>32536264
The winners don't have to invent things. It's called the spoils of war.

>>32536727
Agreed but what if you accidentally click on /pol/? I've done it a few times since it's right beside /po/

After the Nazis killed off the smartest humans the the world falls into chaos.
No nuclear power, polio ravages the world.

Hate Jews all you want, your life is better for them existing!

>>32538176
No, anon, he believes the sky fairy will sentence him to having the fiery, subterranean fairy beat his when he dies if he's a bad boy.

>>32537223
Russia is literally a cesspit of poverty and AIDS.

Also those VDV guys bang each other.

>>32536727
90% of /k/ would be gone.

really makes u think

>>32537237
Hey, 90℅ of the country is a pain in the ass to work and live in. And back then we all had hard labor jobs.

If that doesn't make big angry men, then I dunno what does

>>32537337
Shut the fuck up. Donald Trump and his terrible method of presenting real issues all the way
Fuck Hillary

>>32536832
The mosquito was fast as fuck

>>32545174
It was so fast that the glorious jet powered Arado in OP's picture was only 50 mph faster than the Mosquito, climbed slower, and it carried less weight.

The Mosquito was better than the Arado, and it was made of wood.

>>32536264
WW2 with helicopters would have been cool af.

>>32545216
*erika starts playing*

desu fampai

>>32536264
AVS-36, soviet assault rifle made before the STG-42

Night vision was parallelly developed by all powers during WW2. The USA deployed night vision optics during ww2.

P-59 airacomet, made a few months after the me-262's first flight.

Mig-9, one year after ww2. Not 2.

Glastor meteor, before the Ar234.

Kolbri was never mass produced. Only 24 made. First mass production helicopter was the R-4. American.

You cite the b-35 but ignore the Xp-79.

>Atom bomb.

K