Explain to me why isis or islamic terrorist hasn't

>>32534808
Because Allah conquers all

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>>32534808
Because the US (and greatest ally) keep giving them money,weapons and training

because they're US-backed

>>32534808
Because it is politically incorrect to name the problem

>>32534838
poor bait

>>32534830
>>32534827
this

>>32534808
Because the higher ups are way too worried about civilian casualties and political correctness to let the dogs off the chains.

>>32534808

Its not a single entity to be defeated. While there are still people in the world with the competence to drive a truck and who agree with the tenants of extremist Islamic ideology you can't conceivably defeat it forever.


The internet has made it harder than ever to kill an idea. It's also made it easier to recruit from the other side of the world and offer basic training/advice on what methods to use. You also have the benefit that even if your group had nothing to do with an attack on the other side of the world, you can still claim it was.


Islamic terrorists also aren't able to negotiate. In Northern Ireland it was clear what the IRA want and still want. Therefore a negotiated settlement can be made. A group like ISIS a) doesn't speak for all muslamic would be terrorists and b) seeks to achieve something either impossible or apolitically awful


Even if you went down the /pol/ route and deported all Muslims and nuked the middle east it wouldn't matter much. The next group of apocalyptic terrorists would emerge hungry for attention and repeat the cycle.

>>32534808
Because they are a usefully interim bogey man to allow goverment more intrusive observation powers.

>>32534891
so, the only possible solution is genocide their fighters?

>>32534909
we could try irradiating them like the japs, that turned out kind of neat

>>32534909
>Even if you went down the /pol/ route and deported all Muslims and nuked the middle east it wouldn't matter much. The next group of apocalyptic terrorists would emerge hungry for attention and repeat the cycle.

We really need to stop seeing it as something which can ever be completely stopped. Accept that terrorism can and will happen. Do your best to prevent it and make sure exposed vulnerabilities are plugged. Honestly the best single solution would probably be trying to ignore it altogether. Terrorism lives off the unreasonable amount of media attention its given.

>>32534946
The threat isn't terrorism. Terrorism is just the chosen weapon of the threat.

>>32534946
I disagree.

A genocide has a tendency to completely crush and ruin the ambitions of an entire hostile culture back into a manageable size.

When's the last time you've heard of an armenian, jewish, or american indian suicide bomber.

It is only will that stops us so, and its a simple thing to get over if public anger never stops and the firepower advantage remains in our corner.

The next group you mention will then have a reckoning on how hard they want to push the majority of society again, and who knows maybe they will 'limit' their militant activities to not cross the threshold the extinct jihadists will have.

>>32534962

Ok, so radical islam is the threat and we get rid of all muslims. What next? Someone else decides they would like all the attention that extreme violence gets for their own cause/selfish reason.

You can't stop mass killings. You can make it as hard as possible for them to happen, but you'll never be able to stop them completely. Doesn't matter if a muslim does it or a communist or a vegan.

>>32534882
>>32534838
>muh le political correctness
that's wrong and you're an idiot,
no one is worried about civvie casualties and the military doesn't give a rat's ass about how it's portrayed

they've been JDAM'ing and droning the middle east for decades, but no result because guerrilla warfare very effective
and the fact that they're backed by the west makes it even worse

>>32534985

Your idea works under the assumption that a member of ISIS shares your worldview, they don't. They chiefly care about causing as much destruction as possible.

Look at the Orlando shooting. The guy who did it used to fuck men then decided to kill 50 people and claim he was a member of ISIS. He wasn't, he had the same motivations of any killer involved in a murder suicide whether they're a muslim or an autistic high schooler.

Also missing the point. Yeah if you kill every muslim on the planet and destroyed all traces of their existent, so the ideology/religion couldn't exist again, then what? You just have another death cult come along eventually. Constantly calling it out as islamic terrorism isn't practical or helpful. You're better off using proven methods for trying to prevent mass killings causing mass casualties.

>>32534985
>We just have to kill 1.5 billion people, most of whom aren't actively hostile to us
Watch yourself on that edge there Josef.

>>32534909
>>32534985
>/pol/fags are this deluded

>yeah let's genocide 1.6 billion innocent civilians (if we can even do it anyway) yeah that'll solve the problem..
t. you

are you retarded?
that'll only result in the genocided people creating their own guerrillas and lighting you up harder than a christmas tree
wait how the fuck do you even manage to kill 1.6 billion people anyway?

>>32535060
>genocide their figthers is the same as genocide the civilians
english isn't my first language but you have worse comprehension than me.

>>32535060
These are the kind of simple idiots that think you can make a biological weapon that will only target a specific race.

But these folks were never big on rational arguments, even before /pol/ decided to slip its chain and shit up every board, the minority of folks lurking around here said the same stupid shit.

>>32535078

Isn't that the aim at the moment? Its not like you can be a known member of IS and not expect a bomb dropping on your head at some point in the future.

>>32535078
it can't mean anything other than that

"genocide their fighters"
that's what the US/ruskies doing right now with their airstrikes, what else does he want?

>>32535007
Political correctness, my bad, it's the hearts and minds of the people method that has been shit. I stand corrected.

>>32535112
>Implying hearts and minds is bad
hearts and minds is the number one reason every iraqi didn't join ISIS to kill the american infidel

>>32535078
holly shit, do you think those ordinance dropping from bombers brig hugs and kittens?

>genocide their figthers

fucking what ?

>>32535007

You also have the constant problem of collateral damage breeding more terrorists. Yeah, if you have memories as a kid of your house getting blown to smithereens and your dad dying, you might be more likely to strap a bomb to yourself out of revenge.

>>32535134
Wouldn't have to worry about that at all if they just wiped them out to begin with.

>>32535172

you haven't been paying attention. please read the rest of the thread

>>32535172
>shit bait
>didn't read thread
>edgy
10/10

>>32534909
>so, the only possible solution is genocide their fighters?

Not at all. Islam is the enemy and IS are a symptom. Remember everyone else on the ground who is local is Muslim and all Muslims in effect if not intent support Jihad by existing.

The way to "defeat" IS is to use them and keep all players in the fight so they kill eash other. Genocide is fine in war because it works, but it's slightly illegal post-Nuremburg. Volunteer fratricidal genocide via schismatic warfare OTOH is wonderful because we have all the Jihadists fighting other Jihadists while gleefully killing their civilian base.

US and Putin and Erdogan should cooperate to contain, but not extinguish, the fire.

>>32534808
Because they're being supported by the taxes you pay. Go NEET.

>>32534808
because unlike everyone else sand people have nothing to lose.

>>32534808
Because it's an idea that's indirectly backed by US tax payers.
You can't really bomb an idea out of existence, especially if you're using your money to support it in the first place.

>>32534808
Liberals

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>>32535025

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>>32535024
Same with the Sydney siege guy.

Guy was originally Shia (that's a death sentence), decides he wants to join an outlaw motorcycle gang (...death sentence?), started being Wiccan (death sentence) and getting into some freaky black kvlt sex magick (death sentence) so he could rape middle-aged women who adorn their cars with black cat stickers (probably okay).

Then he murders his wife (okay) because reasons, gets caught, is literally days away from prison, prints off an Al Qaeda flag (death sentence) on a piece of paper and walks into a cafe one morning that just happens to be across the road from a television studio (definitely okay). Then when he says he's part of ISIS, everyone's like "wtf with the flag den m80?" and he demands that the Prime Minister bring him an ISIS flag. Because y'know, he's bound to have a stack of them in his fucking closet, amirite?

Lone wolf terrorists are fucking nuts, and would be immediately executed by ISIS if they actually were in ISIS held terrortory. There's a good reason why half the lone wolves that decide to travel to ISISland end up on the next car-bomb to Baghdad.

>>32534990
Doesn't stop us from doing stuff about driver safety and preventing accidents which will also always happen.

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>everyone in this useless excuse for a /pol/ thread thinks US funds isis
>nobody realizes they are actually funded by the gulf oil states.

The same shitbags that bankrolled al quesodilla continue to do it today. Its the same oil rich sunni shitbags that fund all the worlds major islamic terrorist groups. Saying that the US is funding isis is "9/11 was an inside job" level memeshit

>>32535230
>all Muslims in effect if not intent support Jihad by existing
Logic!

>>32534808

Because you can't defeat an enemy via airpower alone

Pretty simple

You'd have to use an infantry division with armored division support to clear out their holdings and then hold them for a long time

>>32535387
now, to say that the US indirectly armed ISIS by providing arms to "moderate" rebels and helped it's rise thorugh poor foreign policy decisions...

>>32535387
And who props up gulf oil states?

The US.

>>32535387
You forgot Pakistan.

>>32535419
The gulf oil states aren't even in the top 5 for US oil purchasing

>>32535387
While I don't believe the "ISIS = US/Israeli front" thing, the US could've tried a lot harder to make sure the stuff they supplied didn't fall into ISIS hands or the people they trained didn't just change sides. In fact, it basically boils down to a mixture of military arrogance and nepotism.

>>32535417

To be fair, most of IS' weapons come from captured stock from the IA and SAA

The SAA have about a million ATGMs they let fall into the hands of IS

You'll note IS rarely shows TOW-2As; that's because the ones given to FSA don't really fall into IS' hands

>>32535442

See >>32535453

IS stole most of their shit from SAA and IA in the early stages

>>32535453
still armed via mismanagement, but I get your point
my point at it's core is really that it's folly to keep dumping arms on the situation

>>32535387
>US gives tax payer money to Saudis
>Saudis uses said money to fund/support Islamic movements

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>>32535419
>hurr gun manufactures make guns that people use to kill people so the manufacturers are guilty of murder!
>hurr saudi citizens bankroll islamic extremists and the US buys oil from the saudi gov so US did 9/11

>>32535427
>le oil maymay
Firstly, I doubt he meant it that way. The same states Muslim that prop up ISIS are huge military allies of and benefactors from America.

Secondly, that's a shitty defence in any case; if you affect oil prices in one part of the world, that flows on to every other part. You don't need to be a direct benefactor of cheap oil in the Middle East, it will still lower prices of Canadian oil.

>>32535469
IA-stolen arms were American aid. But where the bulk of their arms comes from is irrelevant, because the "America supplied arms to ISIS" argument is about influencing hearts and minds, not changing facts and policy.

>>32535534
>because the "America supplied arms to ISIS" argument is about influencing hearts and minds
I think you mean it's about "lying to support your political narrative".

>>32535510
>You don't need to be a direct benefactor of cheap oil in the Middle East, it will still lower prices of Canadian oil.
That's good for consumers though.

>>32535534

Most of IA ATGMs are Russian

Mortars were US though

HMGs are Russian; you don't see many M2s with IS in Iraq

Same with Russian AAA guns

>>32535478
>my point at it's core is really that it's folly to keep dumping arms on the situation

Depends on your goals. The enemy of one's enemy may not be one's friend, but since all are cultural enemies why not keep them in the game until the casualties are more than trivial? Anything less than tens of millions is trivial when the enemies breed without limit. The solution to a superstitionist/poltical problem is not always linear conventional war.

“There are some militarists who say: ‘We are not interested in politics but only in the profession of arms.’ It is vital that these simple-minded militarists be made to realize the relationship that exists between politics and military affairs. Military action is a method used to attain a political goal. While military affairs and political affairs are not identical, it is impossible to isolate one from the other.” - Mao Zedong, Yu Chi Chan”

>>32535564
That's because the region has major players supplied by Russia, like Saddam whos downfall flooded the arms scene for awhile

>>32534827
>>32534830
>>32534845
>they fell for the polcuck memes

>>32535646
>“ [...]” - Mao Zedong, Yu Chi Chan”

I prefer the original, simpler and more elegant:

>"War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Clausewitz

>>32535025
>>32535024
>killing 1.5 billion.
Oh like conversion isn't a thing.

News flash the Middle East hasn't been muslim forever. People need to make a choice, stick with their death cults or gain some sanity.

>>32535669

Yeah, and if you say the US is arming IS you can easily say Russia is too.

Both arguments are shit.

If the US was directly giving the TOW-2As to IS, then yes. But they're not, so no.

>>32535387
So? Why don't US just nuke the middle east and all muslim nations and be done with it then?
>inb4 muh honor, muh pc
Because they are backed by US and there are still something to gain,you small minded scum

>>32535060
>genocided people make guerillas.
Protip: no civilian population to create guerillas and lots of insurgent tactics would be nullified like human shields or suicide bombers.

>>32535698
because using nuclear weapons would definitely lead to retaliation at a minimum involving expulsion of US troops from bases in many countries, probably economic sanctions from Russia, China, and the rest of the West
war with Russia would be likely

also nuking 1.5 billion people would destroy huge swaths of the planet and adversely affect the global climate
also, genocide is wrong

>>32535698
>Why don't US just nuke the middle east and all muslim nations and be done with it then?

Nukes don't work well on vast area targets and irradiating the EU would be stupid. Remember that these wars are cheap in Western blood and treasure. Nukes would backfire because they are just too messy.

We live in an era of peace. This is what that looks like. Just a few small wars and little else happening.

Who cares if Syraq/Iria bleeds of its own eager accord? Not I. Never emotionally invest in small wars unless you personally are a protagonist.

>>32535724
Doesn't stop them from nuking the shit out of kenji. Like I said, something to gain

>>32535103
>that's what the US/ruskies doing right now with their airstrikes, what else does he want?

Those are pinpricks. Only the Muslims on the ground can genocide because that takes time and detailed killing. IS get the most press for fighting that way. No airstrikes can match their kill rate. Airpower is weak against finely dispersed social targets.

Airpower narcissists infest the West, but anyone on /k/ can rattle off example after example of strategic airpower fails.

Because it's a very decentralized organization spread out over a large territory that we keep sending arms and funds to because we still think the "moderate" Islamic rebels are still a thing and totally haven't been infiltrated, if not entirely replaced.

>>32535419
And who props up the other actors?

Iran and Russia.

That's what keeps things usefully equal so far.

>>32535489
>>US gives tax payer money to Saudis

US SELLS a shitload of weapons to Saudis. They are wonderful customers. Lousy operators because culture, but they have deep pockets.

>>32535060
Apparently hitler did

>>32535901
you're talking about the holocaust
6 million is overrated, VASTLY overrated
red cross says they were only 200,000 people, that's no way close to 1.6 Billion people

also that didn't solve the problem, it only made it worse, you can't discuss germany or nazism without hearing muffled oy veys in the distance

>durr, why don't we just kill every single Muslim
>durr, genocide is fine
the election really brought the crazies out

>>32534808
The west is too lazy to do it, so they hire local barely competent achmeda to do it

>>32534808
because there are a lot of fuckin sand negros to remove

>>32536140
what are you talking about? /k/ always have threads about killing moosleem

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Because big government needs a boogie man to fight. And they are trying to find a new one... Russian.

>>32536263
>/k/ always have threads about killing moosleem
>always
No, we didn't. And for the most part the majority of /k/ would shut that shit down for the crap that it was.

Idiots like you need to realize that bitching about kebabs and redguards was always more joking around than seriousness.

>>32534808
Take a look at this.


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>>32534808
it's basically impossible to defeat an ideology that people of a low intelligence get recruited into

>>32536908
> was always more joking around than seriousness.

Oh Jesus it's one of the "the racism was only joking back then, now it's serious" newfag posers.

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>>32536908
>it's only in the past half year that 4chan has turned racist
Get a load of this lying newbie cunt.

>>32536996
>says the newfag

>>32537037
>t. memory holing redditfag