Middle East Thread "POST WAR EDITION"

I don't think anyone is surprised by this, Russians still operate with no RoE?

>>32533624
>Russians still operate with no RoE?
Even Russia has to make some concessions as times change
>First beat reporter and take camera
>Then can beat prisoners and shoot in ditch
used to be didn't matter which way you did things, now there's live video streaming and shit the order matters.

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>>32533603
>Director of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), John Brennan, said that Russia uses in Syria including a scorched earth policy.

Right...

And if it weren't for Russia, the country would be ruled by competing Islamist factions, enforcing their own interpretations of the Quran by the barrel of a DShKM on a Toyota truck, in a political environment that would make Mad Max Fury Road look like a model of stability and enlightenment.

This fucking administration can't end soon enough..

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CIA chief John Brennan master before the idea spread across the tablecloth on the alleged use of Russian in Syria impossible for the United States "scorched earth tactics" would not hurt to know and remember the origins of the term. Start from the time of application of the US Air Force nuclear weapons in Japan, in 1945 erased from the face of the earth Hiroshima and Nagasaki and killed more than 200 thousand of their inhabitants.
Then recall the US are held in Laos and Vietnam for 9 years from 1962 to 1971, the operation «Ranch Hand» in which the US Air Force was poured on the country more than a hundred tons of chemical reagents «agent Orange» and really burn out there all alive. And it harder for war crime no one in the US and did not suffer any punishment.
We also remind that the US unleashed the CIA because of false data the biggest war of the last decades in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, all began, continued and ended with the destruction of the US Air Force of the economic infrastructure of these countries. And it is hardly accidental in line for a row on the recovery of the largest economy and infrastructure facilities in a strange way the first were always close to the CIA and the Pentagon largest US companies.
Finally, with regard to Syria. The outgoing head of the CIA Brennan is well known as the "international coalition" long before the start of the operation VKS Russia has since 2012 systematically and consistently destroyed all economic Syrian infrastructure for maximum attenuation of its legitimate government, despite all the subsequent hardships for the civilian population that had led to millions of streams refugees.
Surprisingly, the US and coalition bombing did not fall only has captured LIH oil facilities that allowed militants to earn on illegal oil sales of tens of millions of dollars every month and recruit their help in the numbers of mercenaries from all over the world.

>>32533603

Eh, he's right

Russia and SAA use indiscriminate artillery bombardments on urban centers

It's effective, as you know, it kills people, but it's actually a "war crime" today

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A Turkish soldier was reportedly killed & 4 others wounded in an ISIS attack on Turkish troops in Syria's al-Bab.

>>32534085
Enemy combatants hiding under civilian cover should be a war crime too.

>>32534042
>>32533603

pretty aesthetic

Gruppa Krovi music video when?

>>32533603
John Brennan has only Obama to blame.

The Russians only got involved three years after the war went and Obama had plently of time to help his islamic buddies with a no fly zone and airstrikes like when chemical weapons were used and the rebels had the initiative.

Good thing the democrats are fucking pussies.

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>ITT: We trigger sand negroes

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>>32534513
oy vey

>>32533624
they've come a long way. the first Chechen war was just a series of disorganised blind carpet bombing and massacres. They tried it again in 1999, they actually tried to hit some targets and the operation was more smooth, although gronzy ended up looking like dresden after WW2. The insurgency was really defeated because of their actions after 2000, which they focused more on targeting and hunting the insurgants themselves rather than deliberately targeting civilians

In Syria they have toned it back even less

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>>32534513

>>32533667
>Russia

You mean Iran

Russia's impact is limited in Syria

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>>32534466
Not pussies, just smart. You think the CIA was not smart enough to see that the opposition movement from the start was chock full of Islamists and other dangerous individuals?

The reason there's been no boots on the ground, no airstrikes, no no fly zone and no significant involvement until fairly recently to select groups is because Obama is not stupid enough to commit to a bunch of disorganised maniacs running around Syria with AKs

>>32534611
I'm sure they were all raped

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>>32534085
>Russia and SAA use indiscriminate artillery bombardments on urban centers

You sound like a homosexual or a woman.

So tell us, what is the politically correct way of ejecting armed and often suicidal Jihadists from urban centres? You must be a specialist on urban warfare.

Pic related is the gender-neutral, politically correct and culturally sensitive way America liberated Allied cities from those bad men, the Nazis.

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>>32534663
>no us airstrikes and no us aid until fairly recently

why do you post itt if you have no idea what you are talking about

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>>32533603
>>32534042
God damn why do Russians always look so AESTHETIC

>>32535205
Because you touch yourself at night.

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I am seeing some late new action around Damascus and eastern Qalamoun. As the fight for Wadi Barada valley goes on rebels in eastern Qalamoun have taken a break from fighting IS (after gains there) and are shelling the Nasiriyah airbase (the same one IS tried to take in their eastern Qalamoun offensive) meanwhile Hezbollah units stationed in Zabadani checkpoints are shelling Madhaya which is next to Zabadani.

The first action I mentioned is a big deal to me since eastern Qalmoun FSA have generally left the SAA alone while both groups fought IS and now that IS is out of the picture the FSA is attacking Syrian government positions in this Qalmoun/southeastern Damascus soap.

The map is their campaign success on IS in the last couple of days.

tl;dr multiple violations of multiple truces both declared and undeclared

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>>32535342
As far as T4 fighting Step recapped it saying the last couple of days IS has spent most of their time avoiding Ruaf airstrikes while 5 pro SAA militia were killed by IS mortar fire. Still unclear who controls the village of Sharifah. All that is known is both sides are close to the village.
Pic is a young SAA militia man killed yesterday assumedly by mortar fire.

>>32535393
That's all I have as heavy fighting continues in Al Bab and northern Raqqa with no major movement from any side. The SAA made some gains in eastern Ghouta the other day but not much news from there either as fighting continues. Some minor clashes in northern Homs and Hama.

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>>32536042
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>>32536042
God damn why do all Salafists look like subhuman creatures?

>>32536059
If I go to Syria, enlist in whatever the group this dude is from, acquire a Bren and then book it home, will I be able to import it legally?

>>32536391
Assuming you mean to the US (and assuming this plan didn't end up in the most likely outcome of you becoming the designated rape infidel for a week or two prior to your beheading/burning) then no, it's a unregistered machinegun so unless the Hughes amendment had been repealed by the Eternal God Emperor by the time you got back the ATF will promptly shoot you (and any dogs in the vicinity) for your troubles.

>>32534399
>Gruppa Krovi

My comrade.

>>32536359
That's because they are.

>>32536359
>God damn why do all Salafists look like subhuman creatures?
because your mom

>>32534878
>So tell us, what is the politically correct way of ejecting armed and often suicidal Jihadists from urban centres?

Siege until they are too weak to fight, cutting off water if necessary. Upon surrender sort out the military aged males and process as needed.

>>32536042
because they ARE subhuman.

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>Typhoon-K

>>32536042
how many frogs did he kill until the looted the FAMAS

>>32536884
>Siege until they are too weak to fight
Will cause suffering to civilians, not allowed to do that.
>cutting off water if necessary
Will also cause suffering to civilians, not allowed to do that either WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

There really is no 'nice' way to clear out urban areas where you have combatants mixed in with civilians, the closest you can get is to surround the area and have enough, well trained/disciplined men with sufficient support in the form of armor/precision air strikes that you can blitz in and go building to building clearing whole districts at once. Even then you will cause civilian casualties because you can't go having firefights in proximity to civilians populations and have not one person get hurt, but it's the most effective way to minimise casualties.
Of course that's fine if you're the United States with a fully deployed force to work with, everyone else has to do things the slow and dirty ways, to what extent depends on how little resources they have to work with. In the case of Syria that's pretty much nothing on the well trained/disciplined counts, so everything takes a long time to achieve, and getting there is pretty messy too.

>>32536042
why does that scumfuck have FAL and I dont

>>32533603
>The United States in any military conflict would never do something like Russia ", - he said.
Hmmmm

>>32536359
such a weird trend of doubling down within Jihadi movement. Like you look at Salafi guys from back in the 80s in Afghanistan, and they'd still could generally look like your average joe with kept hair and shaven.

For some reason in the modern day jihadists think you gotta look like a neanderthal neckbeard to be a "true" jihadist.

>>32534663
>The reason there's been no boots on the ground, no airstrikes, no no fly zone and no significant involvement until fairly recently

Hello dumbfuck

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>New ISIS Mosul vid

goofy little cart mount

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>>32537169
showing the somewhat standardization of their armoured cars

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>>32537188
child SVBIED

>>32537201
>That one vehicle that drove away early and made it
I don't know what's worse, the scare, the shit pants or the EEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>32537201
[WASTED]

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Fuck these SVBIEDs in Mosul are brutal.
Column after column of Iraqi army just getting liquidated.

>>32537201
At least they're attempting to block the streets now, i guess they're learning.. Slowly.

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>>32537253

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>>32537291

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>>32537291

>>32537253

Our military fucking better be looking at the syrian war and planning ahead because it pretty much seems a guarantee that VBIED will be the next big thing and stationary IEDs are dead now.

>>32537346
Hard to stop in the field. Near bases road blocks and emplaced .50 cals should even be able to handle the BMP VBIEDs, unless it is heavily up-armored. Fire lanes and line of sight are important.

Out in the field it gets a little harder, and CAS plus good intelligence might be the best option.

MBTs should help too.

>>32537343
>dat missed shot
>bat little truck GTFO'ing

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>>32537335

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>>32537253
>>32537291
>>32537335
>>32537404
I'd love to see some aftermath pictures of these strikes. Especielly how much was left of that Abrams afterwards.

>>32537253
>>32537291
>>32537335
>>32537343
>>32537404

Are VBIEDs the "blitzkrieg" of our generation? To my (laymans) understanding they seem stupidly effective against everything.

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>>32537404
Why do I feel kind of weird being like the sole guy who makes all these ISIS webms over time. oh well if I didn't do it surely someone else would. Not like it's hard at all.

>>32537452
Abrams could've probably survived...I think? Surely it'd be damaged in some way but I dunno if it'd be scrap.

Seems to me a lot of the vehicle crews run away given the chance if they get jumped by a VBIED, maybe ISIS should send out dummy ones and quickly follow up with a team to capture the abandoned vehicles.

>>32537373

I think you are missing the fact that VBIEDs don't just work for terrorists, they make a legitimate option for national forces as well. Just slap a drone into some piece of shit car, wire explosives into it, have them roaming around outside your base or better yet use them to target enemy positions.

I'm surprised the Russians haven't started using them already.

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>>32537513
They've actually done that. I remember specifically a story from a western YPG volunteer, the village they were in got hit by a VBIED early in the day, then later in the day what they thought was another VBIED was coming, so they fled. Nope it was just packed full of infantry who took up garrison in buildings as they ran.

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Chink with a drum mag.

>>32537540
that's called a precision airstrike for the modern world.

>>32537540
just get one of these self-driving cars and load it full with explosives

>>32534663
But he is dumb enough to let said islamists take root and launch terror attacks in the US and the West.

Granted just a bunch of homos and sjw califags got wasted but still. Obama fucked up the democrats hard by siding with islamists over american values.

>>32537475
omg it goes down a long straight highway. ffs

>>32537563

This is a shit load cheaper and also has the benefit of looking like it's relatively effective. You can't really call back an airstrike once it's launched but you can just drone the car back if you don't find anything worth blowing up.

I'm telling you right now we are going to start seeing drone VBED within the next 5 years.

>>32537291

This shit looks like a fucking video game from these perspectives.

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>>32537547

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>>32537717

>>32537470
They work extremely well against untrained and undisciplined forces, it's difficult to say how they would have fared against the American occupation in Iraq.

>>32537475
I really have no idea how an Abrams would cope with several hundred kilograms of explosives being set off point blank, that one of the reasons I'm so curious. And thank you for the .webms!

>>32537724

Every single one of these webms make it look like they're almost totally unprepared for what seems like something you should be expecting at any time.

Although I'm a retard on /k/ so I honestly know fuck all.

How do you let >>32537335 even happen, they have like 7 armored vehicles parked behind hard cover and not one of them has a line of sight to start shooting this dumb asshole in his white bombcar.

>>32537475
what the fuuuuck why arent they doing anything?!

>>32537762

The Abrams might live but I dunno about everyone inside it..

>>32537724


this guy is right. Any competent force would swiss cheese these carbombs at first sight. Apparently no one is manning their weapons.

>>32537291
spooky

>>32537404
mobility kill, nothing to see here folks

>>32537475
>Why do I feel kind of weird being like the sole guy who makes all these ISIS webms over time. oh well if I didn't do it surely someone else would.

you could give sauce for start, checked heavy but didn't find the video

>>32537902
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/L1IVFht3/isis-mosul_hd.mp4

>>32537973
>40 min long

what the hell

>>32537973
You can say a lot of bad things about ISIS, but they've given us some of the best war porn ever seen.

>>32536884
>Siege until they are too weak to fight,

Did you happen to forget there were 15,000 civilians being held hostage by Obama's Jihad-niggers? And the UN and other phonies were already howling feigned outrage over Russians murdering clowns and orphanages (lol).

Unfuck yourself immediately. There is no legitimate pro-rebel/Jihad side of this unless you are a crazed Mohammedan yourself.

>>32538011
It's a full blown movie man. They're all about that long. Plenty of speechifying about Crusaders and nasheeds to pad it out

>>32537762
>>32537783
Depends on how they're rolling. Hatches closed? 'Huh what was that?' If as is most likely the case with the Iraqis they're driving around with everything open then at very best no eardrums left, being protected from the direct blast might be enough that the crew don't get their innards pulped by it, but they aren't going to be much use for anything afterwards either.

Tank itself is going to be fine, it's not like those explosives are forming a penetrator or even in close contact most of the time. Wasn't the US Abrams pretty much fine after that old video in Iraq where it gets blown clear up into the air by a IED buried under the road? If you aren't making holes in them it takes a hell of a lot to stop modern tanks.

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>>32537470
>Are VBIEDs the "blitzkrieg" of our generation?

Only work against banana-boat tier armed forces that can't even see the benefit of setting up a perimeter or rotating watch..

If you think cars with explosives are a threat to any real military force, I'm afraid you're a fucking child with a little baby brain.

A burst of 7.62 mm into the cabin of any of those from over 1000 yards would quickly deal with any of those. If they're uparmored there is the .50, or worst case, you pull out the AT-4.

>>32537470
>Are VBIEDs the "blitzkrieg" of our generation? To my (laymans) understanding they seem stupidly effective against everything.
VBIEDs are an effective way to put heavy ordnance on a ground target, provided it can actually make it there intact. Getting there intact can be hard. They're just a weapon.

1. open areas vs defilade
A position with long fields of fire and excellent visibility can defend itself better than a position that's around some blind corners in the middle of a built-up area
2. heavier armor vs heavier weapons
VBIEDs have evolved from basic unarmored light vehicles, to (relatively) heavy armored behemoths. The usual competition of arms vs armor applies here. Anti-tank weapons like ATGMs and tanks are the gold standard.
3. defense suppression
If distances permit, the approaching VBIED can be supported by suppressive fires on the defenders. Snipers, machine gun fire, and mortar fire can reduce the effectiveness of defenders, increasing the chance for the IED to make it to the objective. The VBIED itself can have a machine gun position for defense suppression, at the cost of losing 2 men in a go instead of 1.
4. exploitation
Unless it's just a terror attack, the VBIED should be employed in the context of combined-arms warfare for the goals of the force that is fielding them.

>>32537973

Sand nigs never fail to entertain with their attempt at fighting war.

It's basically like the 7th century, except now there are explosives.

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>>32538075
But what if you're Iraqi, and you fired all of your .50 at a wall, and used your AT-4s to clear a building without having to enter it, now you've set up a defensive position while you wait to get resupplied, and you've called all your subordinates to come up to the roof to take a selfie with you? How are you supposed to defend your position and get insta-famous?

Being a professional military and doing unprofessional things should go hand in hand like the base commander and his chai boy without you filthy westerner criticism.

>mosul to fall by summer

what did they mean by this?

>>32538329

This is such an embarrassment for Obama, Clinton, McCain and all the other dick-sucks flailing against Assad and Russia.

>>32538329
>summer
Which year?

>>32538075
>If you think cars with explosives are a threat to any real military force, I'm afraid you're a fucking child with a little baby brain.

Tell that to the thousands of Americans who experienced rapid unplanned disassembly in the Bumfuckistans. The US miltary up-armors fucking every thing nowadays, and its not to look cool.

Besides its not just cars anymore, ISIS is stuffing T55's & BMP's with HE now.

>>32538745
>The US miltary up-armors fucking every thing nowadays, and its not to look cool.

That's against IEDs you mongoloid.

Vehicle IEDs were never a major threat, a few incidents at best.

Seriously, how munyrecruits IS got? They keep fighting and fighting on many fronts and still no end in sight

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>>32534584

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Threadly reminder.

>>32536884

>Take much longer and starve everyone. Then assume all adult males are terrorists
>this is supposed to be the humanitarian way


I actually can't believe someone can be this stupid

>>32537346
OIF vet here. You act like this is some new shit. We were dealing with this shit back in 05-06.

>>32539128
>i wonder who could be behind this post!

>>32539252
How much kebab did you remove?

>>32539252

Isn't it funny watching the Iraqis trying to be a real army?

How did you guys deal with Jihadmobiles?

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>>32539128

>>32538225
What is going on in this photo? Looks like sand people took photo ideas from Mexican cartels and the Kardashains.

I'm no vatnik but this stuff is pretty dank indeed

https://youtu.be/2IiLArWYsLU

>>32539828
AW YIS

>>32539744
Music video for whatserface

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084990/Look-handiwork-months-aerial-bombardment-Russian-army-publishes-harrowing-photos-utter-devastation-caused-Aleppo.html#comments

>>32535004
>>32537096
>>32537649
And what's the arm chair generals from /k/'s solution then? Chop Assad's head off and declare mission accomplished?

Because Bush II did it to Sadam and Obama did it to Gaddafi, and look how those countries ended up

>>32540405
Lmao, wtf captioned those pictures ?
Iranian m18a2 is a russian mine.
military digger? they must've meant EOD bot.
"A soldier daubs graffiti written in Russian"
Clearly marking AO as cleared from mines. it even says "NO mines".
BTR82s are tanks, hells yeah!

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"This picture, proudly shared by the Russian Ministry of Defence, shows a huge explosion in the already devastated city "
It's called a fucking "BiP".

>>32540544
Don't question the most intelligent and elite news source out there

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>>32540405

>Those captions

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>A Russian soldier concentrates on his handheld computer as the buildings of Aleppo stand crumbling behind him and his military digger

This is almost CNN-tier.

>>32540710
I bet he's playing Pac-Man on it

>>32540719

He's guiding Putin's TV-guided barrel bombs into another bread orphanage.

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>>32540843
>bread orphanage.

anon, dont you mean aleppos LAST bread orphanage

those svbied webms are exactly like playing GTA 3: God is Great version but IN REAL LIFE
watch some footage of GTA 3
SON
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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>>32537201

>think the vehicle it drives up to first is gonna get wasted
>it actually makes it just to see the rest of his bodies vaporized

>>32540405
>Russian EOD techs removing mines and IEDs

Oh the humanity! Won't someone stop them!

>>32541156

*buddies

>>32540514
>>32540544
Yeah, pretty clear the photos were mostly from the same unit doing EOD stuff. Check that soldier applying his pull rope to a mortar in the street.

And those captions talking about "stacked ordnance" curiously omit that those are all clearly, CLEARLY improvised rockets, not Russian ordnance that is going to be used.

>>32537768
yeah.......it's working against the Iraqi army.....which is pretty pathetic. Like how the hell do they set up multiple vehicles inside a checkpoint of some sort with NOBODY guarding the entrance? Or set up on a street and not have any lines of fire down side streets so someone just pops around the corner and blows up before you can react?


People need to remember, it's not like VBIED's are new......they've been using them for years in the middle east. It's just that the US military was able to handle them. A small bomb hidden in a piece of garbage on the side of the road that goes off when a soldier walks by is much harder to stop than a dude with a vehicle trying to drive at them.

>>32533603
Any opinion on this?

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/01/russias-new-favorite-jihadis-the-taliban.php

>>32537253
Would the T-72 that the VBIED drove up to survive that detonation?

>>32541878
Probably. I'd say anything newer than a damned Sherman would be OK.

>>32537973
>Send a guy out with his VBIED
>Give him an M4 with an Eotech to blow up with himself
Literally why? Shouldn't ISIS be trying to conserve their weapons?

>>32537762

>Abrams

Fine. Pretty much all tanks are fine with heaps of HE going off next to them.

It's only underneath where the explosion diverts a lot of its energy into the vehicle that's a problem.

>>32542279

To fight their way to the detonation point

They have way more small arms than they have soldiers, anon

>>32537770

It got hit with an RPG

It was probably getting shot to shit with rifles/MGs (you can't see small arms at this distance)

Cars are really hard to stop, anon

>>32541878

As long as the hatches were down, the crew would have been fine. Optics and MG would have been sharted.

>>32543471

Hatches open it'd be fine

The main problem with unbuttoned is if you're sticking your body out (frag and/or blast wave hits your body) or someone can climb on board and shoot/grenade you, though you give up SA if you button up

>>32537704
>thatsthewholepointofmakingthem.jpg

>>32538609
the CURRENT YEAR

I think the golden division will be combat ineffective by then at this pace. Baghdad will have no choice but to fill in the ranks with unreliable units, so we can probably expect mass desertions in the near future. Is the golden division made up of mostly sunni people?

>>32534878
get your men out of Ukraine, and then we can talk.

>>32543866

They'll take Mosul

Ramadi and Fallujah were probably harder for them as the people in those areas have more of a penchant for being Jihadis than in Mosul

Mosul would be mostly IS with little in the way of young residents joining the cause

>>32536042
*Abu Achmed sees an attractive goat in the distance*

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The way people talk about Mosul going badly, I wonder how the Iraqis themself see it.

Its after all the "final" battle before ISIS has been pushed out of all major urban centers and Mosul is fucking huge. And they are steadily gaining ground there each week.

In contrast the Kurds are getting praised each time they take a tiny village somewhere with massive western help. Even Manbij could fit multiple times in the area of Mosul that had been freed already.

I do not want to shill for the Iraqis too much and yes, they are pretty incompetent, but people often forget that in regards to the amount of clay retaken from Isis -be it measured by area or population- the Iraqis are far ahead of the Kurds or Assad.

>>32537404
>>32537452
>>32537475
havent seen the results of that one but theres pictures of the previous VBIED on an abrams if anyone remembers that and the only damage was a big black smear on the front right skirt plate, explosion was similar so i can't imagine it'd be much worse off. as for that humvee though...

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>>32544224

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>>32544269

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>>32544273

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>>32544277

And an ATGM hit repaired

>>32539128
ebin false flag

>>32544269
>>32544273
>>32544277
>>32544281
how many virgins do you get if you accomplish nothing more than a jihadi smear on someones ride?

>>32541878
You see the aftermath, it's cooked.

>>32544281

If you look at Iraqi M1s, you'll see a lot with those patches welded on.

Lots and lots have been hit by ATGMs and quickly patched up with an armor package change if there's no actual penetration into the crew compartment, or a patch, armor change and internals swapped out for fresh ones if there is internal damage.

>>32539423
Warning shots, lots of yelling, kill shot if they insist

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>>32544453

This was a full Kornet perforation that lightly wounded the gunner.

They patched it up and swapped out damaged internals and it's back in the fight.

>>32544337

Got a picture?

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hey /k/omrades, do you have any good balaclavas I should be looking at for cold weather? I was thinking a VDV/VKBO Balaclava but the importing is expensive


it's fucking frosty up here in new york

>>32543185
why not give him some piece of shit old AK instead of a nice M4 with a nice sight?

>>32544317
You get your own hand as wife.

>>32543911
Our men have lived for centuries in the Ukraine.

>>32544559
Remember, what we are seeing is propaganda - He probably handed the rifle back before going at it for real.

>>32540405
Those captions. wtf I hate the UK now

>>32540405
>>32540514
>>32540544
>>32540661
>>32541336
>>32544655
Written by: Hannah Al-othman
fucking Saudis

>>32544492
Video source in the thread, just look. It looks pretty damn scorched and disabled. Like I guess maybe it's salvageable, but crew must be dead.

I remember distinctly a VBIED hitting a T-55 in Syria, and that caused a catastrophic explosion, so not all tanks are impervious. Really it matters hugely on the VBIED, it's size, and it's design.

>>32540514
>>32540544
>>32540710
>>32544655
It's the Daily Mail, a tabloid that prides itself on being the trashiest most over-reactive rag they possibly can. Nobody with an IQ over 50 takes anything they print seriously because even on the odd occasions they do land a genuine expose on something the real story is still buried under mounds of exaggeration, hyperbole and outright bullshit.
Treat anything they print like most of the UK does, as at best a source of amusement at the density of bullshit per paragraph, not something to be taken seriously. Same goes for the Daily Express/Sun/Mirror, although the last 2 manage to do a smidgen better on the tabloid shitposting ladder most of the time.

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>>32534513
I'm not a sand nigger, but I need you to follow me Schlomo

Did the PKK do anything wrong?

>>32533624
>RoE
Luckily the concept of RoE doesn't exist in Russian.

>>32545187
They're commies

>>32534671
>implying that wouldn't happen in US, Russian, or Israeli military

>>32544868
Fag. Hitler only succeeded at one thing. The destruction of Europe and her People. Go fuck yourself Nazi scum... it is one hundred percent your fault that Europe is the communist self-loathing shithole it has become. Take a gun and blow your brains out you stupid fuck.

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>>32534513
>a bunch of shit air attack aircraft against the latest air superiority fighter jets

I'm impressed

>>32545647

Israelis had no AIM-120s, right?

MiG-21s are competitive to F-16s/15s within visual range

The SAMs alone should have been the biggest factor here, as your friendly craft have safe skies

>>32545763
Israelis had AWACS from the Americans which gives you a significant advantage over a Mig21 which has poor radar. For the mig21 to be competitive against F16s/15 it must have at least R3R, which it didn't cause the Mig21s were used for ground attack.

>>32536884
The Western powers were bitching about the siege in Aleppo for 4 years straight. I can't believe you are this ignorant

All these SVBIEDs don't do shit lmao
the Iraqis just run the fuck away before it detonates

>takbir brothers we have sacrificed brave martyr and precious bomb to kill 2 empty humvees

>>32545839

They didn't have heat seekers?

Cannons?

Basic air search radar?

Eyes?

>>32537346
>our military
when did Hiromoot start a 4chan army? what happened to NYPA?

>>32538329
2018

>>32544828
>muh dad was a coal miner

hello northern scum

didn't know you guys could actually read let alone newspapers

>>32545988
Well, he does have his moderation staff who are less-than-friendly with the userbase.

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Another slow day incoming. Just tit bits from around the country of Syria. Starting with a terrorist car bombing in Jableh near the main Russian airbase in Latakia killing at least 14. Some clashes between pro SAA militias in Hama reported by pro SAA sources and echoed by pro rebel. Damascus area fighting unusually quiet since yesterday's spats. Off and on clashes between IS and the SAA at both T4 and Deir Ezzor. At T4 news reports dead on both sides of todays clashes while pro SAA sources claim "dozens" of dead IS on the perimeter of the airbase. Who control's the nearby village of Sharifah remains a mystery.

Al Bab and northern Raqqa continue in heavy airstrikes and shelling with little advances from any side

Pic is a 2014 area of control map from deSyracuse to bring in 2017.

>>32545966
What? An AWACs radar has a range of 320km while an RP21 radar on a mig21 has a range of 20km. The Israelis could see and engage their targets before their enemies even knew they were being engaged. And Israeli F15/16 had the AMRAAM.

>>32545763
>Mig-21 are competitive against F-15/16 within visual range.
There is not a single area in which it is not outclassed.

>>32546026

The point is that they both know where each other are.

The Israelis didn't have AIM-120s, just shitty AIM-7s with are mostly use within visual range anyway.

The SAMs Syria had can easily make up for the lack of long range radar support.

>>32546051

Pilot skill is the biggest factor between them within visual range. OPFOR trainers regularly trounced F-14s and 15s with A-4s.

They only need to get their nose on target to send a heater on its way.

>>32546052
The mig21s didn't know where the Israelis were. That's the point, the Israelis had already fired their missiles by the time the Mig21 was detecting them on their radar

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>>32546022
Step reporting a prisoner exchange between a FSA group and the main Iraqi Shia militia in Syria being the first time the two groups have done a direct prisoner swap.

Pro rebel source reporting massive Turkish army reinforcements are headed to the Al Bab front. Turkey is tired of playing fuck fuck games with IS and is going in with brute force. This should be good.

>>32537717
That's the GLA's stealth general though, Prince Kassad. nice

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>>32546273
One pic of the convey. Long line of flat beds loaded with armored vehicles like tanks, APCs and troops in tow behind.

>>32546006
Not him but I'm fairly right wing and I think that pretty much all our papers are trash, with express and daily mail being some of the worse tabloids, still better than the Sunday sport or whatever it is now

>>32537291

>tfw you miss the only shot you get

>>32534513

Yes, Israel is nice for what it is, but going around telling the shithole countries surrounding you how bad their countries are is only asking for trouble. By the way, the only reason Israel is still a country is because the US lets you survive. Don't act like money isn't the only reason Israel is nicer than most of the Arab countries. Look at the UAE.

>>32546296
They finally got tired of their less-than-trustworthy allies, I suppose? It's gonna be good indeed.

>>32537253
>Hummer starts backing up
>Tank keeps driving towards the VBIED like a curious dog

>>32544460
>>32544453
>>32544281

undeadable Abrams confirmed?

>>32533603
Im sorry but and Middle East Threads on /k/ are shit.


Full of Pro Obama administrations shills and retards who cant see nothing more than his point of view an trully belive Assad and Russia are evilz and eats children on breakfeast

Like some folks here said before, only 15 days until this nigthmarish administration ends, and Trump start the Purge in the Intelligence Agencies.

>>32546518

post intel or frig off, pal

>>32546568
Why give him a (you), lad? He's clearly another idiot from /pol/.

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>>32544551
VKBO ones are thin and not super great for super cold, i received some cold weather ones with my 6b47, theyre the same style and double layer. if you want a cold weather ruski one, look for those.

>>32537672
Have you seen the videos of Hezbollah and then Syrian rebels dropping bomblets on each other from the quad copter drones?
But I've had this idea to attach an explosively formed penetrator to one of those large model airplanes and then have it land on the engine block of an Abrams

>>32546619
Exactly. Don't get baited.

>>32546619

the (you)'s are inevitable, but it's more fun to tug and pull at these anons to see what their zany narrative is like.

>>32546518
no one cares about your hot opinions loser
either discuss military stuff or go to >>>/pol/

Late breaking of a IS counter attack of some type in northern Raqqa on the YPG/SDF. Likely a VBIED or suicide squad type attack. This as US airstrikes have been hitting IS positions all day.

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more roaches crawl torwards al bab. how many tanks did erdo lost already?

>>32547150
This is IS getting nervous after SDF made large advances. As the SDF/YPG get's closer to Raqqa we'll see more of these Mosul like counter attacks.

On the topic of Mosul eastern Mosul IS have been getting pounded lately as Iraqi forces move deeper in some districts. A US general the other day said he thinks IS ability to hold eastern Mosul is finite and they are seeing them break in some areas however western Mosul still looks bad.

>>32547169
7,000 new turks have been deployed to take Al Bab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCrCHAK2eU

>>32547169
the previous official number was 16. However, not all of them were lost, some merely knocked out of action. So maybe 6 or so completely destroyed.

>>32534878
>If you don't do it in the most stupid, misery-inflicting devastating way possible ur a gay!

I take it you also express political opinion through bumper stickers

>>32540482
Pull out and let the Sandniggers continue to kill each other. Getting involved in the damned region was a mistake in the first place.

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faggit meets roachistan vehicle near al bab.

>>32533603
>" The United States in any military conflict would never do something like Russia "

Then apparently we don't like winning wars because pussy footing around doesn't solve anything either - hence Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc

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something neat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMMiArki9lE

>>32537253
just noticed a man run out of that hummer

>>32547459
https://youtu.be/9bhk6rH7kFg

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talibs 2017 (after 16 years of war against the worlds biggest col. force)

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>>32547558
super spec force from space vs. this men
>still no win

>>32544184
>I do not want to shill for the Iraqis too much and yes, they are pretty incompetent, but people often forget that in regards to the amount of clay retaken from Isis -be it measured by area or population- the Iraqis are far ahead of the Kurds or Assad.

Maybe because they originally lost like 35% of their population to ISIS in 2014, have massive Western backing, and don't have to contend with a proxy war between superpowers?

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>>32535218
W-who told you?!

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>>32545952

The funny thing about these trolls: >>32546518
You are consistently wrong about our views, most poeple in these threads are against jihadis and moderate beheaders, and would rather have Assad than some dirty caliphate. You're getting more lazy and dumber for each time you come by.

6/10

>>32546006
calm down ahmed

>>32547558
Look like a bunch of Oregon hipster rednecks

>>32547430
Yikes, wtf is this shit?

>>32547444
How did they pussy foot around Vietnam? Vietnam was like one of the last American wars where they went full brutal with bombings and indiscriminate things.

>>32547821
They never pushed into N Vietnam, and instead fought a defensive war the entire time.
If they had done literally anything after the Tet offensive, the NVA would have collapsed.

>>32547558
>>32547592
haha, notice how none of them are old enough to have been fighting 16 years ago. Suggests we've done a rather good job of cleaning up the old guard.

Also remember they hide for half the year in Pakistan like scared little girls.

>>32548737
All the vets are at training compounds

>>32547430
>Germans invent communism with Hegel, Marx and Engels
>Germans attack Russia and send Lenin over in a sealed train car from Switzerland to take over
>Germans sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with the USSR, allowing them to take over most of Eastern Europe
>Germans declare war on UK, France, US, and USSR, thus forcing the Western allies to accept a communist invasion of the rest of Eastern Europe
>Germans cripple all of the western colonial empires, which were the foundation of western civilization, allowing the USSR to spread their cancer throughout the entire globe
>Germans take over the EU and turn it into a communist conspiracy

The Hun is the natural enemy of civilized lands.

>>32549060
>Germans declare war on UK, France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_French_declaration_of_war_on_Germany
No, they didn't. They received an ultimatum and they ignored it, completely different from actively declaring war upon those specific countries.
>inb4 but the allies were legally forced to help Poland since they had guaranteed its independence
If only. The allies pussied out and let the iron curtain fall over Eastern Europe.

>Germans cripple all of the western colonial empires, which were the foundation of western civilization, allowing the USSR to spread their cancer throughout the entire globe
USA also has a nice history of dismantling empires and making people let go of their colonies. Still a dick move though, I agree.

Don't forget about protestantism, germans managed to genocide themselves with that.
France is also to blame if you consider all the shit Napoleon puled off.

>>32549237
Not that guy, by the way.
Fuck statists.

>>32546022
>Starting with a terrorist car bombing in Jableh near the main Russian airbase in Latakia killing at least 14
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=58466
SOHR has the full story of the car bombing. It killed 15 total, 8 civilians, one son of a high ranking SAA general and the rest of the bodies are to charred to identify yet.

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=58460
SOHR also claims the Russians are trying the enter Wadi Barada valley to repair the pumps in Ain al-Fijah and restore water service to the capitol as the Syrian government put forth a deal where they will stop their offensive on Wadi barada if rebels allow them full control over the water springs and pumping wells. Hezbollah is also seeking their own deal basically asking for full withdraw of rebels out of the area.

The Russians seem the most reasonable in all of this. Why would rebels give up their only playing card which is the water source to all of Damascus? You have to be idiot to accept the Syrian government deal. Hezbollah will do their own thing anyway. They want this area badly.

>>32549237
>invading a country when other countries have explicitly promised to go to war with you if you do

By the time it became obvious that the USSR wasn't going to keep any of their promises, the Germans had made the west so weak and Russia so strong that nothing could be done.

By doing this, they damned a huge number of people to live under totalitarian governments.

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new in from yemen

https://youtu.be/s748uYWUaLo

>>32537762

It would throw a track and damage outer areas. It wouldn't destroy the tank or damage the crew unless the hatches were open.

>>32549281
>invading a country when other countries have explicitly promised to go to war with you if you do
>I told him not to!
Germany got a DoW because they did not withdraw its troops from Poland. This "they forced our hands" meme is disgusting, Poland got betrayed by the allies twice. They didn't protect them from the soviets and did not liberate them after Germany fell.

>The German invasion began on 1 September 1939
>Neville spergs out 2 days later
>the Soviet invasion commenced on 17 September
>somehow Neville doesn't send an ultimatum to Russia
As I said, the allies pussied out.
>war starts because Poland got invaded
>war ends with Poland as a soviet puppet
Now that's what I call freedom.

>>32549393
>intervening against evil some of the time is worse than doing it none of the time

>>32549412
>let's gang up on the weaker evil instead, tovarishch

>>32534663
>from the start
Well, not really no. Assad opened his prisons' gates, liberating criminals and islamic radicals to beat down the moderates to a pulp, smear their image but shit got out of hand pretty quickly. The protests started on a background of food shortage, not religion.

>>32534878
>muh dresden
Go back to /pol/ if you're going to suck on Klaus' dick that hard. Damn, Germany has always been an autistic and cuck country but its supporters are the cringiest. Kind of like a bunch of Japanese tourists with "I <3 NY" t-shirts or American fatties listening to J-pop in their mom's basement. All of them sucking on dusty myths like hobos and squatters trapped in the attic of history high on insulation foam hallucinating that their cocks are being sucked because that's what they will never get.

>>32534663
The shit started because some 15 year olds decided to write a graffiti "the people want the regime to fall" and than the Syrian security forces arrested them in school and tortured them for days. When their families came to see what is going on, they were told to fuck off which saw the families start protesting and than the security forces went violent, picked up some fat kid and mutilated his dick and killed him. Than people started demanding heads, Assad sent his brother and here we are.

>>32549764
>The shit started because some 15 year olds decided to write a graffiti "the people want the regime to fall"

Lolno, you're stupid.

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>>32549674
go back 2 reddit faggot

is there a site with a composed list of all the factions and a timeline break down of whats happened to lead to now?
tried following this 2 years ago, and i got lost then

>>32549764
>>32549764
nice fan fiction

>>32549674
Kek

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Chechen fighters EDC in Syria

>>32551222
nah not really. Closest ive seen to a comprehensive list of diff groups is linked below. Following livemap and just googling around the areas and names you are interested in works pretty well actually.

https://medium.com/@badly_xeroxed/syrian-opposition-factions-in-the-syrian-civil-war-5d8412c9d7e6#.zbvv7efvl
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en

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>Turkey has right to close Incirlik base: Erdogan aide

>Turkey has the right to shut down its strategic Incirlik Airbase in the southern coastal Adana province, the president’s spokesman said Thursday.
>"We always have this right. But as I said, first the conditions should be evaluated. We have the right to retrench as part of Turkey's sovereign rights," said Ibrahim Kalin, speaking on Turkish news channel Kanal 24.

http://aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-has-right-to-close-incirlik-base-erdogan-aide/721112

>>32541121
Are you thinking of GTA 1 or 2? Because III wasn't top-down

>>32551275

It's sorta true

People were protesting, and the military did shoot plenty of them; they weren't doing anything worst than what BLM were doing.

Then you get an eye for an eye and here we are.

>>32547262
We've been interfering in the middle east for 150 years, y'know.

>>32549060

You forget

Germans destroy the Roman Empire, sending back civilization five centuries or so
Germans barely manage to throw back the Muslims, gifting them Spain in the process
Germans lose their "Frankish Empire" when a viking snoozes or something
Germans proceed to lose to the Slav
Germans manage to get up Luther and lose 30% of their population, wrecking Europe in the process
WW1, WW2, making Europe a colonial battleground for US\USSR
For fifty years Germans are kept under control and all is good, best economical performance for Europe
German riunification, in 20 years they managed to wreck Europe, the economy is a mess, our foreign policy is laughable and we have endless waves of refugees crashing in

Germans, the Eternal Enemy of Western Civilization

>>32553277
he's right tho

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IT IS TIME stormed Deir ez-Zor
Deir ez-Zor himself not PROSHTURMUET
POSHTURMUY Deir ez-Zor, POSHTURMUY Deir ez-Zor AGAIN
WHAT I NEED PLAN OF ATTACK, I HAVE NO TIME TO fuck HIM
BETTER ONCE PROSHTURMOVAT Deir ez-Zor
I Sturm Deir ez-Zor FOR tWICE A WEEK
EVERY STORM takes a few hours
I live an active and fulfilling life
I SUCCESSFUL AND SO FULL DAY struggling with TAGUTSKIM Assad regime
and then Sturm Deir ez-Zor
STUPID PROASADOVTSY war, in short, zaradi DEMOCRACY
AND I FREE FROM zadrotstvo Mujahid
infidels, apostates, mushrik, Taguchi, hypocrites, Raafidis, NUSEYRITY
governorates of Deir ez-Zor loss ratio 12 to 1
Muhajir, Ikhwan and Ansar LIE mountain on the outskirts of the airbase
BETTER I POSHTURMUYU MORE JUST Deir ez-Zor
and fight with the regime BISMILLYAHI Rahman RAHIM
I stormed Deir ez-Zor FULL DAY
GOING POSHTURMUYU
on the right bank of the Euphrates pure and simple
gun in his hands, "Takbir!" AMIR SCREAMS. It's obvious what to do
IT IS TIME stormed Deir ez-Zor
KKOKOKOKOKOKOKO
Islamic state Nusair ASSAD apostates Kafir Raafidis pituh
KOKOKOKOKOKOKO

>>32551222
There are some lists and infographs floating around, but its really only neccessary to know the 10 or so largest groups.

Super simple timeslines can be found a lot on the internets(though full of obligatory "UN is concerned" "Kerry is worried" and so on).
You can look at the wikipedia article for a general overview, though you should keep in mind that especially in the last years there is mostly one contributor who used a Hezbollah media side as main source, so its pretty much useless for more detailed information.
Me or some other anon can probably also give you a general rundown, if you are still interested.

>>32553277

He's not wrong, but it's just sabre rattling. He's not going to close it down.

>>32533844

i dont know why anyone would believe a single thing that came out of an intelligence officials mouth

>>32554479

I'm waiting for Iraq to finally lose its shit and attack Turkish forces in its own country.

I want to see Leopard 2 and M1 duels dammit.

>>32545647
paid for with your taxes you stupid fucking goy

>>32554611
Well eventually someone is going to have to tell the Turks to fuck off out of their country, but the Iraqis have their hands full enough with IS for the foreseeable future, and the Syrians have even bigger issues so I don't see it happening too soon.

>>32549548
1. Not all the jihadis in Syria were in prison in 2010.
2. Assad/SAA never released jihadis en masse from prison.
The defectors and FSA did that.

>>32549764
[Citation needed]

>>32554084
>It's sorta true

Source?

The jihadis were shooting back from day 1. Doesn't excuse the SAA shooting protesters, but the reality is that the protesters weren't nonviolent either.

>>32534663
>google militaty
>join muhreens.

kek

>>32554611
>I'm waiting for Iraq to finally lose its shit and attack Turkish forces in its own country.

Iraqis suck even more than Turks do at war. It'll be Tards With Tanks if it happens.

>>32553277
GOOD! Close that motherfucker. It will force the US to use more naval airpower and I fap to CBG.

>>32546051

The area where Syrians were outclassed is pilot (and crew skill when it comes to SAM's).

>>32537291
>99% miss

Kuz is already pulling out. Wonder how many actual combat sorties were flown off her decks? Zero?

>>32555052
nah I think they spent a few days flying off her before realising it was sucking and transferring the relevant strike planes to shore. In terms of actual combat value it's value was effectively none though since those planes could just have easily flown there directly, it was all about posturing and pretending they're playing the carrier game too.

>>32547558
are they really talibs?

They look more like some tajik or pashtun militia.

IIRC the orginal taliban frowned upon wearing pakols, wit them being pretty much a badge of northern alliance and other old style mujahid.

Of course in 15 years things might have changed. I imagine old taliban frowning with disapproval at these damn youngsters.

>>32545310
It wouldn't, no. Although it would probably happen in the Russian one

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>>32544551
You are going to pay 30 dollars for an overpriced sock with a hole arend you :DDD

Sew your own balaclava. It is not hard and you get exactly what you want.

>>32537373
persistent air support is capable of greatly reducing VBIED in a 'conventional' warfare operation. Insurgency operations are more difficult, you can't realistically close down a major highway or say "no driving within 100m of coalition" every time you want to patrol the area.

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>>32537253
We wuz first

>>32533603
Will we see a change in guerilla warfare after Syria? I mean wire guided missiles proved their efficiency, will TOWs become AKs of the new generation insurgents?

>>32545220
I don't think it does. What the fuck is RoE?

Has the Russian aerial withdrawal a link with the T4 airbase attack and the loss of russian helicopters ?

>>32556030
That's going to depend on their availability in future conflicts, in Syria they've seen so much use due to IS capturing truckloads of them from a variety of sources, notably the Iraqi army in the early days, plus multiple external nations supplying significant quantities to their favored actors. A similar conflict breaking out elsewhere may very well not have such copious supplies available, at least to all parties.

Also the terrain plays a huge role, the Syrian conflict has often taken place on open country with minimal soft cover, making 2+km ATGM shots perfectly viable much of the time. If you're waging an insurgency say inna jungle you just don't get those opportunities very often if at all, and already pretty commonplace unguided rockets will do a similar job on vehicles/infantry concentrations just fine at close range.

>>32556170
But assuming that guerilla warfare is being done with the support of another nation, wouldn't it be the supplying countries better option to give out wire guided missiles? Because they are successful, easy to operate and bad for the morale of the opposition. So availability depends on who is supporting who as always in guerilla warfare.

Also they may not be viable in jungles but in a territory like Afghanistan I can see them being used from mountains even if there's cover available. Actually Yemen proves this is the case. They're viable in most kinds of terrain.

>>32541575

They tried to do that, but ISIS puts sniper at every checkpoint, they did the same thing during 2003 Iraqi invasion

>>32556225
For sure if the other country(s) has a suitable stockpile of ATGM that they can afford to just give away it would make sense, but bear in mind all the groups in Syria combined have a pretty significant list of external benefactors that all have large budgets for dumping into the mix, not every such conflict is necessarily going to have your US/Russia/Iran/Saudi involvement/willingness to dump so many weapons in.

Afghanistan/Yemen actually fall pretty close to Syria in having large areas with next to no vegetation and either open plains, or long valleys often with wide flat floors, which adds up to huge uninterrupted sight lines being extremely common. Even a moderate amount of trees or tall growing vegetation can do wonders for reducing those sight lines, sure ATGM are still useful for those times you can control the hilltops, but the fewer good spots there are for their use the easier it becomes to keep control of them, and proportionally the easier it becomes to close distance before engaging, making the ability to strike accurately from literal miles away less critically valuable than it is somewhere you often have little chance to get in close before engaging even if you want too.

So what I've learned is the only way to really have peace in the ME is to stop the support from backers like Saudi royalty, rich fucks from Qatar, for the US to stop arming "rebels", Iran/China/Russia to stop giving away weapons like candy, etc.

For the major powers I can see they are just dumping surplus weapons for the most part. I just don't get why a Saudi prince or some guy from the UAE/Qatar would want to stir up shit so close to his country.

I can't see arms manufacturers making money off the various conflicts since ISIS can't write them a check.

>>32549922
>>32551275
>>32554723
https://news.vice.com/article/the-young-men-who-started-syrias-revolution-speak-about-daraa-where-it-all-began
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-schoolboys-began-the-syrian-revolution/

If we go back, the first group to start protesting were the Kurds, one even cooked himself
(http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/329590)- This was in February 2011

Than on March 6, kids write graffiti. They get arrested. Their families get involved on 16th. On 18th more protests (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-12791738)

Shit goes into spiral through April. Protests, dead protesters, burned down Baatah party HQ.

On april 25th Assad send in Maher to crack down. (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/30/world/la-fg-syria-protests-20110430 http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/04/25/syria.security.forces/)

With siege of Daraa the civil war starts, desertion, attacks on soldiers and police.

The whole shit started probably because some security official in Daraa wanted a promotion. So when he got the chance to arrest some "enemies of the state" he went head first. Arrested some kids and with those kids being from powerful families, managed to piss the entire city off.

At the same time, Kurds were protesting, burning themselves, were shoot in mass and no one gave a shit.

I still can't figure out how an Arab would make the mistake of going after kids of powerful families. Arresting them is understandable, but holding them for weeks, now that was stupid considering how pride/honor oriented is Arab culture, and especially in Daraa, the most tribal part of Syria.

Also for the mutilated kid. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/how-a-13-year-old-became-a-symbol-of-syrian-revolution/article4260803/)

If you don't like my sources, feel free to copy the headline and find the ones that hold up to your strict journalistic credentials.

>>32556945
>the only way
The only true way to stop the conflict (any conflict) is to completely wipe out the opposition, including women and children.
I'm not sure how ISIS does write checks, but they do have control of several major oil fields which means they have a relatively massive income, and I assume they are able to procure weapons with this money.

As to why Qatar and Saudi finance them, I would imagine they want their neighbours to be divided and weak, and a sunni movement like ISIS would be an enemy to Iran and keep others occupied while they fight in Yemen. This is all speculation though.

>>32537470
> they seem stupidly effective against everything.

Maybe because IS is just uploading the successful videos? For each of these nicely executed blasts you get 10+ failed tries.

>>32537547
>then later in the day what they thought was another VBIED was coming, so they fled.

One would imagine that setting up proper defenses would be the thing to do.

>>32557196

Thats what Russians tried in Chechnya, Arab countries in Israel or Europeans during turkish independence war, you cant defeat an enemy without proposing him a decent exit door, or he will fight to survive and the war will never finish

>>32544559
>>32544593

Or maybe there is no central organization where IS hands out weapons to fighters. Maybe this M4 is/was his own.. looted, bought or who knows where he got it from. Maybe he don't want to share his stuff with his "friends" and rather take it with him?

>>32545495
>Europe is the communist self-loathing shithole it has become

Literally no country in Europe is communist these days. Not even Belarus.

>>32557196
The Sauds regularly support Salafists abroad a way of merely dumping off people who could cause trouble for them at home.

>>32549060
>>Germans invent communism with Hegel, Marx and Engels
>Germans

Yeah right.

>>32549060
The western cuck allies could have allied with hitler and steamrolled stalin though.

>>32557239
I'm talking in more speculative terms (not sure if this is the right word), if you do kill the opposition there is no conflict, like the mongols did throughout the western eurasian steppes.

It's very true that you need to leave the enemy a path to retreat into, but the real detriment to actual genocide is modern mass media. Even a displacement of people into more or less homogenous areas would work, like those done in the balkans following the the balkan wars of 1912-13 and those done in the 1800's by Russia in more or less the entirety of the northern caucasus.

>>32557276

No, actualy Saudi central government is trying to stop Iraqi financial support by inducing the takfir notion, but the Najd families and federal leaders pushes ISIS and rebels support to stop Iran's expand in the region, and eventually let them make a step in arabic peninsula like they tried in the 80s during Shia islamic revolution

>>32549257
>Why would rebels give up their only playing card which is the water source to all of Damascus?

Because they want to live to the next month.
The Government is know to keep their deals. That has been proven again and again, but it also has been proven that they can (and will) crush pockets that resist. And threatening and even cutting the water supply for Damascus makes that certain pocket the number 1 priority of the whole SAA now seeking a new "job" after Aleppo has been dealt with.

I honestly believe that the guys responsible for cutting the water there were in fact enemies of the main group in that pocket. Maybe IS supporters or something. There is literally no other reason for their behavior. They could had kept silent and nothing would have happened to them for the foreseeable future, but no, lets draw the attention of literally everone upon us by doing such a retarded thing as cutting the water supply of the capitol right after the SAA victory in Aleppo. Its beyond retarded.

>>32557321

This is not possible anymore, not in the era we are living, Geneva conditons arent just phony promisses, its a tool to not reproduce the WWII scheme where everyone tried to deportate everyone, leading to political strategies and global conflict

>>32549393
The irony about this is actually that France could have ended that war within days by marching into the Ruhrgebiet. The whole german army was busy in Poland and they had almost no ammo left after their campaign there.
But sacrificing an ally while sitting in the cozy bunkers of the Maginot line seemed a better strategy at the time, i'm sure.

>>32554154
>in 20 years they managed to wreck Europe, the economy is a mess

I miss the point where Germany was made to be in charge of the whole European economy.

>>32557369
I agree, which is why I mentioned modern mass media is the greatest detriment to this tactic. If we do ignore genocide there is still the possibility of displacing/replacing populations, and there is a strong precedent to allow population exchanges. That is one way to possibly end the conflict, but it would alter the balance of power so it is not considered. I would argue for a solution like this.

>>32554084
>they weren't doing anything worst than what BLM were doing.

Killing cops is bad though. Doing it in a arab dictatorship and expecting no response in brute force is retared.

If that would have happened in Canada or Swizerland and the Government would answer violent protests like Assad did it with equal violence then the protesters would have the right to act surprised. But in Syria? They had it coming and it was 100% to be expected.

>>32557457
Assad answered peaceful protests with violence. His troops were the first to open fire. WTF were the people supposed to do? Just die?

>>32557565
>His troops were the first to open fire.

The Army did nothing at first. In the beginning it was just gangs vs gangs. (And if you acutally believe Assad ever had control over those Smuggler gangs you are retarded).

>WTF were the people supposed to do?
Not killing policemen, no matter how corrupt they might be?

>>32557600
Police opened fire at the protesters. The government did nothing to punish the police and other security officials that opened fire on peaceful protesters. The government endorsed killing peaceful protesters by its inaction.

If cops shoot at you for protesting and the government does nothing what are you supposed to do? Let them shoot you? When there is no recourse what do you do? It's easy for someone from the west to say you should never shot cops. If a cop shots a protester here, there is a whole system that will hold that cop accountable, but what do you do when there is no system?

>>32557413
well, it all started when some politicians got into the coal and steel market 60 years ago...

>>32557679
You're filling out the captcha for nothing.

4chan will shill endlessly for anything that's anti-American, because America is big and 4chan is contrarian.

America hates Assad.

Ergo, 4chan will shill for Assad.

If something is popular here, you can be almost certain that it's some kind of plague on humanity.

>>32557703
The Germans have carried the most of EU economic shitstorm and have been one of the most compromising countries. Greeks, Slovaks, Poles, Czechs, Estonians, Fins, Danes, Dutch have all been far more ideological, with first wanting free money and the rest wanting the Geeks and the rest to pay every cent.

Germans get a lot of shit, but they are the only ones running around EU, trying to save Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland while also placating the East Europeans, who act like Germans should be grateful that they allow for German companies to employ them.

>>32557565
>>32557679
Contesting views, believe what you want and then go on to accept the actual situation on the field. A moderate opposition does not exist, most of the army who defected to the rebels have returned to the SAA, and the government is slowly winning.

>>32557761
What? /k/ is endlessly shilling for america and american manufacturing, just take a look at russian or chinese threads.

>>32557777
>the SDF doesn't exist
Point and laugh at the retard.

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>>32557777
You see, a substantial contingent of /k/ cares more about weapons than politics or dank memes.

America has the best weapons.

Even then, you get muh scenario stands and based Assad because 4chan can't go five minutes without showing off how edgy they are.

>>32557791
I didn't say that, I said a moderate opposition does not exist.
Stop shilling your 'SDF' jihadi friends and be on your way.

>>32557812
>SDF actually fights ISIS
>SAA does everything in their power to avoid touching ISIS

>>32557812
>assad a gud boi din du nuffin
>dude everyone is a jihadist lmao
You have to go back.

>>32557777
There is no contesting views. Regime opened fire on peaceful protesters. We are not talking about a fucking painting, its not a matter of personal opinion.

Moderate opposition exists, but they are not the most powerful opposition faction. That too is a fact.

Now here is an opinion, I think SAA isn't the most powerful pro regime force in Syria. And I think Assad is no longer an independent actor.

>>32557820
>being fucking retared
Time to get euthanized.

>>32557825
Implying I said any of that, though I do agree that Assad is the best bet for Syria, and that most of the opposition are extremists/jihadis.

>>32557838
There are no contesting views because you refuse to accept or evalute them. Please go back to kindergarden.

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>>32557863
>telling someone to go back to kindergarten
>misspells kindergarten

>>32557863
>retared

Almost as retared as thinking the people with Hezbollah and Quds force fighting for them are "secular" or "moderate"

>>32557877
>ad hominem

>>32557880
They aren't moderate or secular, what is your point?

>>32557909
Well, it ties directly into the stupidity of

>Assad is the best bet for Syria

Nigga, Assad can't govern Syria. He doesn't have enough men to do it, and most of the country would rather die than submit to his rule.

No one faction in the war has the capability to govern Syria any more.

>>32557953
>most of the country would rather die than submit to his rule.
Sources please? Most people don't mind him at all.
>No one faction in the war has the capability to govern Syria any more.
If any one of the various factions has a chance it would be Assad. What you are saying is that you'd prefer an everlasting civil war between extremist factions.

>>32557863
There is nothing to contest. There are facts. I'm fucking done with this ideological bullshit where everything is up for debate because one party feels like it. We have reports from figuratively a hundred sources that regime forces opened fire on peaceful protesters. We have the historic precedent of Tunis, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan. In each of those places, the protests started as peaceful and went one of two ways, ether the government accepted some or all of demands after the initial crackdown failed or the government increased violence against peaceful protesters until they responded with violence which started civil wars, be it in Libya or Syria. Current dead in Yemen are more due to a semi successful counter revolution, in a way similar to Egypt, but in Egypt it was a successful counter revolution.

Now I am to believe that only in Syria, the government, beloved by its people, was attacked by well organized gangs of thousands of Saudi jihadists. While everywhere else it was the people. While everywhere else the protest started as disorganized mass of people only in Syria the protesters where well organized and armed.

If I say I am a girl, it doesn't create a debate about my gender. If I have a dick, I am a man, my feelings have noting to do with it.

>>32558007
Most people in the Shia/Alawite parts of the country don't mind him. People in the Sunni parts that have had nerve gas dropped on them and hospitals repeatedly blown up don't like him.

I really must emphasis this, the only way that the Sunnis can govern the Shia or the Shia can govern the Sunnis is with an actual genocide.

The only solution is a coalition government based on a federal system. There's a reason that in five years of fighting, the SAA and NDF haven't been able to return the Sunni regions of the country to federal control.

>>32557953
If you think Assad being the best bet to try and make something from the ruin of Syria is stupidity lets take a look at the alternatives shall we?
In one corner we have IS, there's a great choice, in the other we have the 'moderate' jihadi's who are notIS.
Over on the sidelines there's the Kurds, who would happily make their own lands up in the north, but have zero interest touching the rest of the country because they consider it nothing to do with them, oh and they aren't an option or anything because lolTurkey.
If you think there is another option for who ends up with the remains of the country you're wrong, the choices are Assad, IS or notIS, and of those Assad is the least shitty of a very shitty set of options.

>>32558065
There is another option. Force a peace negation by saying Assad will go. Force rebels to come to table, most of them will, Assad leaving is one of their major demands, even AAS would be willing to negotiate if Assad going was agreed. Next replace Assad with a Sunni member of inner circle of current regime in order to preserve existing state structures.

If Clinton could make peace in the Balkans, any US president can make peace in Syria. All it requires is ensuring that all sides get something, their minimum, for rebels it's removing Assad, for regime it's keeping power and the only party to get fucked is Assad and Nusra. But that requires being willing to draw the line and enforce it, like Clinton did with Milosevic and Izetbegovic.

>>32557767
>Making an endless amount of retarded decisions and turning Europe into dysfunctional hellhole is all good so long as it supports >muh EU
fuck off with your "Union at all cost!" shit, Merkel

>>32558029
>We have the historic precedent of Tunis, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan.
This has nothing to say.
>We have reports from figuratively a hundred sources that regime forces opened fire on peaceful protesters.
And we have tons of reports that protesters or others mixed in with protesters opened fire on the regime.

Why are you even mentioning gender? Go away.
Incidentally I haven't mentioned anything about Saudi jihadis; only muslim extremists. A moderate opposition did exist at some point early in the conflict, but they were displaced by people holding more extreme views.

>Current dead in Yemen are more due to a semi successful counter revolution, in a way similar to Egypt, but in Egypt it was a successful counter revolution.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to imply, or why you are mentioning Yemen. North and South Yemen were seperate nations before the Brits conquered them, the secession of Northern Yemen is only contested because Saudi doesn't want a shia enemy on its borders.

>>32558046
>People in the Sunni parts that have had nerve gas dropped on them and hospitals repeatedly blown up don't like him.
Gas and other chemical attacks have been applied by both sides, and if you do not want your hospitals attacked don't hide within them. It's the same tactic they employ in palestine, painting the enemy as the devil because they attack hospitals etc, that's what happens in a civil war. I'd like to see any of the opposition groups steer clear of hospitals and bakeries if they were somehow winning this war. They are not.
Go wear a Palestinian flag all you want, people will laugh behind you back.

What's that right behind the dog?
Doesn't look like the usual antennas on the BMP.

>>32558173
I'm not the one you need to sell on Assad.

If you want Assad to run the country, you're going to have to convince the Sunnis that he isn't a murderous tyrant.

You're also going to have to figure out how to magic up several divisions of competent fighters.

>>32558346
>You're also going to have to figure out how to magic up several divisions of competent fighters.
This war is far from finished and will continue to hurt the country as a whole as we go along. He has a steady stream of iranian militias at his disposal, most of the army are composed of militias of some kind, though they have the reletively competent Tiger Forces.
And again about 70% of the population supportsd the government, they might not like the government, but they prefer them to the alternatives.
Those divisions of magical fighters are supplied by Iran, they are not competent but do the job just fine.
Running the country post-war will be much harder, but it is not really a point of discussion right now.

>>32558521
If it hasn't happened at some point in the last five years, what makes you think it'll happen in the future?

>>32558550
Be precise, what hasn't happened in the last 5 years?

>>32558151
Well there are a few flaws with that plan.
>Force a peace negation by saying Assad will go.
But Assad wont go, they've been trying to get rid of him for the last few years with increasingly little chance of success, he has no reason to go, so what now? The only way to impose this condition is by force, so have fun with that invasion and being mired in fighting IS in the fight they want, fighting those rebels that feel you're favoring a rival group, and oh yeah, you also just started a war with the Russians who are already firmly balls deep into Assad's Syria.

>Next replace Assad with a Sunni member of inner circle of current regime
Do you really think anyone of the various (relevant) rebels would accept any part of the current regime remaining in place? Transitioning power like that may have been a viable option in the very early days, the groups that hold power now and would have to come to the table want a whole lot more, namely tearing down the whole establishment as it stands to replace it with their own sharia state. There's a reason I referred to the rebels as notIS, they may have different people at the head of the various groups, pledge no allegiance to IS and make fewer slick propaganda videos, but their goal is essentially the same in creating an Islamic state.

Even if we handwavium the first massive obstacle and magic Assad/everyone loyal to him out of existence (and somehow make Russia forget they ever had an interest there) the only resolution that would bring about is putting the jihadi's into power after whatever was left of the prior regime collapsed. If that didn't happen whoever managed to grasp onto power in Assad's place would simply be the new target for the jihadi's, because they would be the new obstacle to their goal of creating a new Islamic state.