/OG/ - New Year, New General

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actual current serving memeber of 22nd Special Air Service Regiment, my name is Captain Jean-Luc Picard 2ic of B squadron 9 troop currently on strip duty in an undisclosed location in ur mums ass, AMA

pic related its me and me team hunting al Qaeda terrorists in tower hamlets

>>32526060

go fuck yourself you stupid piece of shit s

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>>32526071

>>32526060
How do you train for small unit tactics? Thinking 2-4 men clearing a house (trying to keep questions/answers manageable).

How is the team usually equipped? How are they usually positioned?

I've heard of having odd number of team members (3, 5 etc). The philosophy is that one person will always maintain overwatch, and the rest of the team can operate in pairs. But this leaves the overwatch man alone. Any thoughts on this?

Hope you stick around

>>32526071
>T. /GQ/

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>>32525897
How do clear caves?

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>>32526847
How do abandoned house operating?

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>>32526910
How do innaAppalachia operating?

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>>32526946
do anyone of you queers fucking get out and do shit?

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>>32526060
>>32526071
>>32526394
>>32526498
If I hand out a (You) will ya'll start bumping?

>>32526498
Lights on weapons and a headlamp. ID's your people from the opfor. You want want a breaching element and ideally a exterior element to prevent retreat.

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I guess everyone who walks the walk are on deployment or /out/.

>>32527013
>Crossing the doorway
Is this how Americans try to >get shot?

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>>32527452
Yeah, and we stop to take pictures while we first walk through it too.

>>32527326
or maybe your thread name is retarded and cringey

having training and tactics doesn't make you an "operator"

If you want to be an operator, PT your ass off, go SF or 75th RR, and take the long walk

>>32526910
fucking tape your sling swivel dumbass, no metal on metal contact.

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>>32528098
Tape wears off. I paracorded it after the link broke.

>>32527013
>You want want a breaching element and ideally a exterior element to prevent retreat.
that's not what breaching means

breaching means creating an entryway where there was none. has nothing to do with entering, and oftentimes the breacher has to be the last one into the room.

you mean an entry team / assault cell / everyone has different verbiage for this.

>>32528182
i think your finger might be broken

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>>32528196
>everyone has different verbiage
Mine was breaching team.

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>>32528217
you should see my damn feet.

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>>32528254
Love me some canvas shit

>>32528231
Then that's a fucking stupid thing to call it. also if you're making entry with your headlamp on that's also full retard.

What's everyones opinion on TREX arms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C7jmi9MWtg

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>>32528294
while I disagree on the word game, room clearing isnt my doctoral degree. I figure each man has two lights on them, one where they are aiming and another where they are looking. Lights can be cheapass Walmart head lamps but they work to disorient whoever they are aimed at and possibly mask numbers: If your bad guy sees two beams of light in a hall he would think two people.

>>32528330
autist with a big ego
somewhat of a good shooter at least on camera

no original thoughts, just parroting things he learns from more accomplished shooters

specifically a lot of the "concepts" he talks about are ripped directly from what people have been saying on pistol-forum

>>32528366
he doesn't care if he sees two people, he's shooting them both. Also pretty much no headlamps put out enough to really disorient someone.

With a weaponmounted light you can control the switching. With a constantly on headlamp you are stuck with a big target on your head.

If you're clearing rooms in a team environment in daylight hours, then weapon mounted lights only.

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>>32528504
>doesn't care if he sees two people, he's shooting them both
True depending on context. In combat yes. In Police situations, maybe. But Ill cede and pocket your ideas.

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>>32526946
>>32526969
Appalachiabro
What/do you carry on the trail?

>>32527013
Interesting topic: how to ID squadmates quickly and surreptitiously. Almost paradoxical. Do you keep your headlamps on the red light/low-vis mode?

>>32529428
Interesting topic: how to ID squadmates quickly and surreptitiously. Almost paradoxical.

how about don't lose visual contact with them, establish a recognition signal just in case

>>32529515
>recognition signal
Elaborate pls. Like sign/countersign?

>don't lose visual contact
Even the best laid plans of mice and men...

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>>32529428
I carry an A2 clone, ITLBV, 3 quarts water, IFAK, bayonet. In grenade pouches there are wound dressings and in the butt pouch is a woobie, MRE, rope, energy bars, Enoo hammock, and some other odds and ends.
Pic related is old, I traded the 20's and flecktarn to fit a woobie. The AR I rebuilt into an A2ish shape.

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Anyone actually encounter strangers while in kit?

>>32526847
With a vicious pack of Belgian malinois. They're better than raptors in tall grass.

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>>32526498

Book Related. It covers the basics.

>>32530466
Checked

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if you dont wear ex offico while operating, is it really operating

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This entire thread is cancer. Like mall cops needing tac vests. Airsofters thinking they're tactical masters. GearQueer threads without acknowledging that they're really just doing military cosplay. Kids who have seen some helmet cam footage and declared themselves experts.

>>32528098
>If you want to be an operator, PT your ass off, go SF or 75th RR, and take the long walk

This. Improving your physical conditioning and up down marksmanship drills is going to do far more for you and your team than any collection of words in this shithole. It's not some secret tactic or method or trick. It's practicing the basics thousands of times individually, then practicing those basics as part of a team as much as you can, and critiquing it every time and improving the next attempt.

>>32526498
Clearing a known hostile position or occupying a presumed empty building?

t. 11b served in light, rsta, and LRS units

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>>32531450
god damn that's a sexy butt

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>>32530419
I held a meth head a gunpoint when I was recceing my own property

>>32531701
Seems like one naturally follows the other.

Here it is: 2 man team. 2 story house. 4-6 enemy combatants. In terms of equipment, only small arms and plates between the two sides, no explosives or NVGs.

nice another circlejerk subreddit for r/k/

just waiting for the trip/namefaggots

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inn magwell grip master race.

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>being an operator means sitting around watching youtube videos and masturbating on people's resumes

Wow, totally not something like pting because that isn't instant gratification for your pudgy 300lb condor milsurp wearing fatbody.

Fun fact: "gun guys" aren't operators nor do they know what an anti rotation pin is or know what mlok means

>>32532756
the military

>>32532756
Arizona/Mexico border, don't point your muzzle across the border lol

>>32532756
airsoft

>>32532783
You'll cause an international incident with your goddamn nugget

>>32532788
Plane tickets are cheap this time of year

>>32529737
> Like sign/countersign?
yes

> Even the best laid plans of mice and men...
if you've trained with them enough you should be able to identify them in low light by the way they move and their silhouette.

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>>32532336
How do you keep them from fleeing?

Would you have shot him if he ran?

Would you have tried to stop him?

Because your main tool is probably intimidation if it's just a thief.

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>>32526946
>innaAppalachia
What state?

>ignore shit wood and crapco mag, pic is 3 years old

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>>32534505
>apologizes for furniture
>not disgusting overgrown lawn

also,

captcha

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>>32534540
It's an abandoned house

>>32533318
It's all about violence of action
Shined the weapon light in his eyes
told him to drop to his belly with his hands up.
dude did it and patted him down, asked the dude a few questions, and told him not trespass on my property

Would you have shot him if he ran?
Would you have tried to stop him?
Nah if anything I would have shot a hill 90* to my right, just to scare him off.

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>>32534505
KY.

NPAP is good innaAppalachia gun.

>>32534705
But OPAP is better :^)

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>>32534709
But AR > AK

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>>32534746
I have an AR too

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>>32534941
You don't have a bunny.

>>32535484
pwned

Wild rabbit?

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>>32534941

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Found you some matching shoes

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>>32525897
https://youtu.be/w-HSoOFdJ3s


Everybody's guilty pleasure: club raids. How big do you go? Submachine guns?

>>32530419
>>32532735
yeah isn't that practically brandishing? explain

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and people say /ak/ is ruining /k/...

dear lord...

>>32532405
Fuck it, go somewhere else, two guys can't effectively clear a 2 story house, especially if there are known bad guys in it.

This is new. I like this general already

I have a question.
Let's say you form a legal LLC or private club through like Legalzoom or something. Not an actual revenue generating business, but just an organization people could join.

Then you proceed to recruit like minded members who have some sort of private security/LE/military background to join this club/organization. Would it be easier to get into some of those fancy schools that offer tactical firearms and counter terrorism training, since your operating as an organization? So basically every member would contribute $x for their participation, then you all go for your training, which you can then list on a resume or something.

Is this possible or practical?

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>>32541261
my guess is that depends on the organization. They might want full price per head instead of cutting the deal for 22 guys showing up trying to pull a corporate entity gag.

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>>32533223
Fair enough. Still seems like very little to rely on. I always thought flagging could work in some situations. Pretty sure that's what russian advisors in Crimea did...

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bump

>>32530696
Copping this with Amazon gift card money. Will definitely share once it arrives

>>32534746

shoot hte back end off of the rabbit and itll still try to crawl away with the front legs

>>32542013

This is a very offensive picture. At a time when the United States has made it clear that we stand uncompromisingly with the people of Ukraine and Syria against this new holocaust of russian aggression, it is not appropriate to post pictures showing Putin's shock troops in a positive light.

>>32542013
if you can see it the enemy may be able to as well

in certain environments you'd wear IR glint tape and IR callsign tags, as well as have IR strobes available. If you have individual radios you can also tell someone on the net to flash a IR light your way. obviously all of these things are very dangerous to do if the enemy has NODs.

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I tried this a few weeks ago and it pretty much died. i wish you the best of luck with this endeavor. That being said.

Individual Movement Techniques

Boiled down to the easiest way to explain, IMT is how to move in combat as a single dude. Arguably you need to figure out this before moving on to buddy, team, or squad tactics. SO lets begin:

Three basic stances: standing, crouching, and prone. Self explanatory, but the rule of thumb is always to choose whatever stance offers the least exposure to the enemy while still being able to engage. Ideally prone behind a fallen tree trunk or jersey barrier or whatever.

Now to movement. As taught to us in the military, movement is to be ideally done either really quickly through running or as low as possible. There are two ways of crawling. The High crawl and the low crawl.

1. High crawl is done in the prone by having the weapon cradled in the crook of your elbows or alongside the dominant hand used for shooting, obviously with finger outside the trigger well. You literally crawl on your elbows, using your knees to propel movement.

2. Low crawl is also done in the prone, however is much more labored and slower, with the benefit of being lower to the ground. To execute, the Army taught to hold our M4 by the triangle sight by looping our thumb through. This was retarded for numerous reasons, so a better way was to sling it if it was safe enough or to hold it so the dust cover was facing skyward. Anyways, the movement is done by essentially inching the body forward by dragging yourself using your arms and toes. Face was kept alongside the ground (hence the term "skulldragging") and not brought up until in cover again. Arms would reach out as low to the ground as possible, grab onto ground, and as the arms pulled forward, the toes would push with them.

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The 3-5 Second Rush

Aptly named, the 3-5 sec rush is done when one needs to gain ground and is under fire, or is trying to retreat under fire. issues I have with the 3-5SR is that, as so eloquently written in Poole's books, it takes roughly 3 second for the human eye to reacquire a moving target and attempt to engage. Therefore, keeping the rush at maximum three seconds, unless cover permits farther, is ideal.

We were taught a short phrase "I'm up, they see me, I'm down". Thats alright, but preferably you just focus on not being exposed and hitting that next piece of cover. Take into account things like microterrain (small divot or crater in the ground that can enable just enough cover against rounds, or things like mounds and such) and volume of fire against you. You probably shouldnt rush if the rounds are impacting right on you.

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Remember your 4 rules guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4m0aQZ-x4

Do you think Tactical Response trained them in Ditch warfare or driving manual transmissions?

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>>32547190
>I tried this a few weeks ago and it pretty much died
Not too surprising, unfortunately. Other generals are populated by kids who have nothing better to do than shitpost. Hopefully this one attracts a more mature crowd: people with jobs, not allowances, who know you're never done training. These are all reasons this general might not get bumped as often, but I'd like to think the interactions and information exchanged here is considerably more worthwhile than in /arg/gq/ak/, where they're too busy shitting on chicom rigs yet rarely have enough ammo to fill the mags they own

>"I'm up, they see me, I'm down"
3-Second (max) Rush is a great subject. Definitely want to explore principles like these, eg:
>Pat Mac says you should never fire/peek from the same spot twice

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MD appalachia

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>>32548207
>Pat Mac says you should never fire/peek from the same spot twice

I agree, I used to peek out at eye level, and if I had the time I would go prone and peek out like that.

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Whats a current issue USMC interceptor vest worth? Hardly used with neck and groin protector with the kevlar, and this set of plates. Anyone know what these are?

I think the vest is real, it's made by "Point Blank" (?)

>>32535484
The thumbnail made it look like two turtles fucking on a dashboard.

>>32525897
https://youtu.be/a6-nuuRhOz0

This is pretty neato

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bump

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>>32545409
Low quality bait.

Try harder.

Here's your (you), you don't deserve it but I thought I should at least let you know that what you're doing isn't working.

Have a nice day.

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>>32548495
Middlength pencil barrel master race

>>32550374
Nice

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>>32526969
A bit. I have to be a bit sneaky as I live in Occupied WNY.

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>/Operator General/ is focused on the discussion of training methodologies, tactical doctrines (individual/team), and application of equipment (weapons, gear, comms).
There is no way this was started with serious intent. Like, none.

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>>32552067
>serious intent
token "do you know where you are?"

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>>32552126
I never forget.

>>32552233
wasted get

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>>32552233

>>32551870
>pencil barrel
Not so sure, maybe for a marksmen. But if you'll be suppressing than the heavier profile may prove worthwhile in order to maintain accuracy