How realistic is the fictional Star Wars Clone Armor, /k/? >An

>>32507974
With modern technology?
Fucking hot. Fucking heavy. Like, impossibly heavy.

In a few hundred years? I dont fucking know. If you showed someone from 1960s an iphone they'd flip the fuck out. That's only 60 years ago.

It could turn out that wars of the future are fought with cum powered hedgehogs and it wouldnt shock me.

>>32508050
>Cum powered hedgehogs

Deviant Art in charge of Army R&D

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>>32507974
Gay bitch Disney Star Wars.

Can't even. Planet dropped.

It's called Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi.

>>32507974
It would be cooler if they could shoot straight

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>>32507974

Is it realistic that an only vaguely humanoid race without a history of experiencing war first hand would design a clunky, impractical suit of armor for their troops of different proportions to themselves that was colored in ultraviolet and cut corners to make it mass-producable for a billion+ size army? Of course.

Phase I armor appears to be an attempt used to make standard republic Trooper armor easier to mass produce, nu-canon or no.

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>>32508050
I'm pretty sure the technology is indeed on it's way senpai

Say hello to Nanomaterials, Stronger material while keeping it at a reasonable weight.

Most space suits today also have cooling circulation systems in them aswell

>>32508050
Heh...thats..thats just silly anon...who would do such a thing...
> runs to phone
> calls DARPA section chief
> 'Boss...forget the badgers. Try hedgehogs'

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>>32507974
According to lore, Stormtrooper armor is supposed to be better... BUT all the goddamn time people just punch them in the helmet and they're out of commission.

So, if I had to guess... probably not protective at all. Also, WW1-era Lobster Armor looks less clunky. Realism's kinda pointless because sci-fi.

>>32508776
Part of the problem's that blasters are like getting hit with the force of a hand grenade. The armor mostly just turns "definitely dead" to "probably survive if they can get you to a bacta tank."

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>>32508776
Same anon here, I forgot to mention the Arditi's "Farina" armor.

>>32508985
In the lore, they mostly protect from grazing hits and frag, but most of all area-of-effect energy and shock/concussive force.

>>32509071
Then why do people have no problem punching a Stormtrooper in the helmet and knocking him out?

>>32509118

plot armor.

>>32508133
They don't need camouflage, because droids can see their ass from miles away regardless. Also, they are clones and attack in massive waves that are utterly expendable.

>>32509118
Because the helmets don't do much of anything besides carry super fancy electronics.

The actual armor looking pieces of the armor are pretty shitty at stopping damage; remember, this is mega-mass produced stuff.

It's the bodyglove underneath that does most of the damage absorption, really, and it tends to stop at the neck.

Why? I don't fucking know, I'm just explaining the way books and shit explain it.

>>32509179
The lore is also VERY inconsistent about this how battle-ready the clones are.

One day, the clones are top-of-the-line trained and ready for just about any combat scenario possible - the next, they are 40k-styled Imperial Guardsmen throwing away their lives at the call of battle.

>>32509269
Well, you have to remember that losses in the immediately combat-ready batches on Geonosis were massive, and there were variances in output quality.

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>>32509269
Regular clones are for throwing at problems until you either run out of clones or the problem goes away.
Commandos and ARCs are for when you need a more elegant solution.

>>32507974
its plausible that the armor is extremely effective at thermal energy diffusion but shit at concussive and blunt force., for the same reason Kevlar is less than ideal for medieval warfare.

We see troops go down, but its entirely possible they are still alive, but in shock. We see a monk use a Stormtrooper as a human shield in Rogue One, but the trooper seems to take quite a few shots with minimal support. Star Wars offense > defense, but since they have armor at all it suggests it has a purpose, otherwise they'd run around like Rebels with just cloth and pot helmets.

>>32508985
This is probably the big thing. We know people CAN get shot and live, and we know bacta is a hell of a thing. Leia gets shot at endor even, and Kylo Ren takes a shot in 7. it's doable, if hard.

>>32509269
The truth is somewhere in between.

Yes, generic clones are somewhat expendable, but they arent as much as droids. they have spec ops units, logistics, pilots, and officers. Its probably best to compare them to US soldiers in quality, but since they have identical training and backgrounds the bell curve is probably shifted to "better" (worst troops get cafeteria duty/trash/bullshit). It's iffy on the number too. in AotC, the kamino lady says they had something like 4 million units ready, for a Galaxy spanning war. 4 million "units" could be 4 million troops, 4 million platoons, 4 million companies, 4 million divisions, etc., ignoring wether these are the combat units or if enablers are included.

>>32509269
>>32509311
IIRC the clones' training was always good. The problem, particularly on Geonosis, is that they were given to jedi "generals" with no experience or training.

How do they take off the helmets? It goes under the chin to the neck and doesnt appear to have a hinge.

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>>32509179
But camouflage clone and storm troopers look neat as fuck

>>32510710
They never built any prop suits for the prequels, so the designers goofed and made something that would be painful if not impossible to actually wear. Every physical version I've seen eased up on that neck part.

Lorewise you're supposed to be able to just slap it on and yank it off.

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>>32509269
>Jedi have been at peace for almost a thousand years.
>Clone wars starts
>Be given a command of a clone army.
>Be shit at tactics, strategic, and operationa
Those clones never stood a chance in surviving a battle that was led by a jedi. Especially a Padawan.

>>32510865

I will never understand why they though it was necessary and/or a good idea to render every clone in CG.

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>>32511067
It was edgy at the time.

>>32510867
>>32509269

Why anyone would put a peacekeeper in charge of a military is beyond me.

>>32511087
>why anyone would put super soldiers with the ability to see into the future in charge is beyond me

Yeah, knowing what your opponent is going to do next on top of having the mental and physical speed to utilize that knowledge is completely useless.

>>32511087
Because they haven't had a meaningful war in so long they literally don't have a standing army of necessary merit.

The experience literally doesn't exist, and studying strategy from books can only take you so far.

At least these peacekeepers have magical reality warping powers that can sometimes help them even in their inexperience, and the army comes with its own leadership structure below them that's as competent as it's possible to be short of having actual experience.

>>32508115
Prequels werent even disney you sperg

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>>32511093
>>32511108
Didn't save them

>>32511087
>>32511108

Also, given they were up against a bunch of tech worshippers who also had no military experience and thought they could mass produce robots of high enough quality to do a soldier's job, and the setting's fairly soft space opera where a lot is still accomplished/has to be accomplished by warm bodies?

I don't think they were that bad off.

They did win the war, after all.

>>32511087
They're peace keepers in the same way Captain America is a peacekeeper.

>>32511123
Palpatine won the war

>>32511132
And the jedi were working for him, right up until he issued order 66.

>>32511125
Pretty sure they never put Captain America in any kind of strategic decision making position, bub.

The Jedi look flash and scare the piss out of minor aggressors, and are on the higher end of the ass whipping scale on a personal, maybe even tactical level.

But neither of them were ever trained or intended to command armies.

Lead them? Sure. Lead by example, kick ass and win morale victories. But command is an entirely different ball game.

>>32510751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE

Yeah, I don't know why I am trying to put logic into Star Wars. It's not like it's Star Trek.

>>32509833
Kevlar is ideal for medieval warfare, it just need to be produced differently from it's current form.

Look up stab resistant vests and kevlar hard pannels.

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>>32511182
>Yeah, I don't know why I am trying to put logic into Star Wars.

>>32511160
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_meditation

This shit right here, is why you put jedi in command of armies.

>>32511196

I think the point is more that you can't make armor that's perfectly viable against every threat, especially if you're trying to produce it at literal galactic scale.

Your kevlar can stop bullets or it can stop stabs or it can stop smashes, but if it's good at stopping one it's gonna be shit at stopping the others. And if you want it to stop all three then it necessarily won't be as good at stopping any one as a dedicated panel would be, unless you throw a shitload of resources at it.

So you armor your clone troopers against their primary threat first (blaster fire), and then secondary threats (explosions, slug guns) as budget allows. And even then, your armor can only be so good because you only have so much production to throw at it per unit.

>>32511197
That was the right call

>>32511212
You do know if the Jedi Dies you just fucked over you army.

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>>32511218
Point taken.

>>32511212

This was addressed earlier.

>>32511108
>At least these peacekeepers have magical reality warping powers that can sometimes help them even in their inexperience

And that's still a tactical advantage at absolute best.

It doesn't enable them to make sound strategic decisions, it somewhat mitigates their untrained attempts at strategy by enabling their fleets to clutch like absolute monsters.

But they're still shitty at grand strategy because they've had no training for it, and no experience with it. There is no accumulated institutional knowledge beyond what the archives can tell them, and the use of that is limited because the nature of warfare is always changing.

They were better off than the CIS and their canned soldiers, but it's like pounding a nail with a frozen banana. Yeah, it works better than if you'd used a regular banana, and yeah that banana's really tasty if you instead decide to thaw it and eat it, but it is still hell on the banana and you'd be much better served with the actual tool for the job - a hammer.

It sure as fuck didn't save the Endar Spire.

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>>32511197
>>32511233
>Those shitty brick pistols
>That guy not even holding his weapon

God damn this makes me want to learn to draw just so I can draw gun porn that's actually realistic.

But man, imagine how things would have gone if the local clone trooper garrison had befriended the things rather than go full Astan on 'em.

Then they get to trade shiny baubles and candy bars for delicious local foods, take neat pictures with living teddy bears to send home to the family, and when Space Jesus and co. show up the little bastards tie them up and deliver them on a silver platter

>>32509118
Because Troy did not design their helmet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPXlnswYvs

13:25

>>32511250
>It sure as fuck didn't save the Endar Spire.

Didn't the Endar Spire get gangbanged by multiple destroyers and only have two jedi on board? One of which, was a padawan, and the other who had effectively zero experience, and wasn't even aware of his powers. On the other side, you had multiple sith, and Malak's right hand man, Darth Bandon.

>>32511302
What are you talking about two jedi. they were atleast a dozen. Just so they can keep an Eye on Revan.

>>32511302
This is exactly my point.

It was a shitty strategic decision that put them in that scenario in the first place.

They hoped that Basket Case and her handlers (The jedi that were killed in the tutorial) with her battle meditation would be enough to clutch the battle, but at the end of the day superior strategy won out.

You can have all the tactical advantages you want, if you fuck up your strategic level decisionmaking you'll lose gloriously and in a pile of dead enemies and spent charge packs... but you'll lose all the same.

>>32511306
It's been years since I played KOTOR. Also, unnamed scrub jedi don't count, the only important jedi on that ship were Bastila and Revan. No names can only stand against other no names. Of the named force users on the ship, one was a dark lord of the sith, and I believe I already mentioned the other two.

>>32511314
>but at the end of the day superior strategy won out.
>superior tactics

Malak having access to the Star Forge is what won him battles. He couldn't be beaten because he had an effectively infinite amount of resources to throw at the republic. IIRC the opening text crawl says that Bastila's unusually strong affinity for battle meditation is the only advantage the republic had, and the only thing keeping them in the fight.

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>>32511323
That and Malak Betrayed Revan at a Critical moment.

>TFW Revan was first of two jedi to know on how to formulate a Strategic battleplan

>>32508120
Woild be better if they used cover rather then all stand in formation like if it was nepolionic war fare the whole shit is dumb as fuck also all clones? What happens if tje enemy finds out what genetic diseses the clone is sustainable to they whole army dies

>>32508776
Not ture the clone armor is suppse to be heavier and better the storm trooper armor is cheaper and lighter and also weaker in providing protection

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>>32511276
>negotiating with primitive xenos

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>>32508050
>>32508177

>>32507974
>fictional Star Wars Clone Armor
lvl II protection - pretty possible. Remember - Teddy bears can kill you with bows and arrows
>>32511093
They are not soldiers, that's the problem. They know shit about tactic and strategy, they know about diplomacy and martial arts. Droid army had >75% chance of winning, and it's a CANNON now.
https://youtu.be/eCsUudYwOvY?t=49

>>32511087

To get those peacekeepers killed.

It was part of Palpatine's plan.

>>32511314
I guess the republic didn't realize that battle meditation =/= leadership. Sure, it's a pretty significant buff but if you don't have a strategist you're basically just throwing crap at the wall.

>>32511619

Precisely. It's why I love the Geonosian arena battle; it perfectly demonstrated just how far out of their depth the Jedi were in war. They came out swinging their sabers, acting like the galaxy's biggest badasses, but as soon as droid infantry started pouring in, the whole thing deteriorated into a free-for-all. They had absolutely no idea how to fight as a unit; they had never trained for it.

They had not faced a true challenge to the existence of the order or the Republic in a thousand years, and it showed.

>>32511738
That and because none of them knew how to deflect blaster bolts. Ie. Soresu or shien

>>32511123

>They did win the war, after all.

Ehh, more like they fought the war for a few years until the guy who orchestrated the whole thing flipped the "off" switch for one side of the war, because it got him what he wanted out of it.

>>32511770
They all learn that, there's just a point where not even masters can keep up.

>>32511087
>that's the joke

The Jedi weren't peacekeepers, they were a bunch of warrior monks who always thought themselves the better. Rather than leak reports the chancellor is a Sith Lord to the press to destroy his credibility they went off to launch a coup like idiots.

>>32512020
But palpatine is the senate

>>32511087
>>32511093
>>32511108
>>32511123
>>32511160
>>32511250

Reminder that Palpatine wanted the Jedi to suffer attrition, fatigue, be busy, and be stretched dangerously all while trusting the clones. He needed a war of attrition, so thats what he got.

Jedi leading was all part of the plan to get them killed (since it would put jedi on the front lines) and if a bunch of clones died in the process so be it.

>>32510751
that helmet looks like a regular scout got stung by a bee

>>32512122
Fighting in the war was screwing them up spiritually too, making it even harder to detect his fuckery through the force. Palps killed the order before he literally killed it by twisting it into something it was never supposed to be.

>>32511738
>>32511770
>>32511846
Part of the problem too was that a lot of them, most of the fallen in that fight, were diplomats and mediators who did the minimum training with lightsabers that they could get away with.

>>32511250
their experience came from Mandalorian warriors, who have basically been in centuries-long Balkanization.

there was at least SOME institutionalized knowledge.

B1 Droids on the contrary just had Zerg Rush programming

>>32512122
That and the failure of Jedi in combat would delegitimize them.

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>>32512686
>Mandalorian warriors, who have basically been in centuries-long Balkanization.
So, clones are, basically, Serbian kebab removers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kohsgr4kLdM

>>32512686
Tactical droids provided more or lest decent strategy, commando droids were on pair to arc troopers and there was fucking Greivous.

>>32512020
>warriror monks
Jedi were incredibly shit. No preparation, no strategy, not even tactics, just showing up and winging it.

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>>32512122
>Jedi leading was all part of the plan to get them killed
It was Jedi who wanted to rule army and prevented military from doing their fucking job. Tarkin was furious about that. They get what they deserved.

>>32511514
>What happens if tje enemy finds out what genetic diseases the clone is sustainable to they whole army dies.

What I'll assume you're asking is why wouldn't the enemy use bioweapons specifically targeting clones. There was a book about that actually. What happens is that somehow the Republic magically somehow learns about it and then they send it a group of special forces to destroy the facility and capture the scientist responsible for it's creation.

>>32512782
>Without the infiltration team there would've been no warning about the attack on the conference

Yeah, RI didn't see that coming either. The only way it was discovered was because they stumbled on the captured ship loaded with explosives.

>>32511738
My inner nerd made me look into just exactly how badly they fucked up there. Of around 210 Jedi that fought there, over 150 were killed. Apparently they lost around 85% of the Jedi the fought there. That anyone would think for even half a second to give Mace Dindu a command after that over even a work detail is absolute madness.

Who are the best troops in the Star Wars universe?

>>32512686
That was around 4000 years prior to the movies though. Even Yoda old as he was, wasn't even 1000 by the time he died. Even if he'd been alive he'd have been pretty much the only one, the order was so many generations removed from that war I don't think you can really say it counts for much.

>>32512875
clone commandos

or they were until Sev died

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>>32512934
>Sev

>>32512934
Aren't the ARC Troopers better individually

>>32512989
Yep, they're trained to be like Mandos, Commandos to be optimal as a squad.

>>32513014
So the ARC troops are the best individually of the entire star wars universe ever?

And the same for commandos but in a squad?
Like are they better than everything that came before and after?

>>32513030
One for One you'd probably be pretty hard pressed to find anyone better than an ARC trooper. Not impossible, but it'd be pretty damn hard. At least in the case of how they were originally written. The in canon depiction its a little murkier. Originally there was only 100 ARC troopers that were personally trained by Jango Fett. In canon now, whether or not those original 100 exist is kinda ambiguous. Clones are just promoted to ARCs if they do something exceptionally badass or show exceptionally outside the box thinking. While these are still badass dudes, you can't really compare em to the guys Fett himself trained, which now may or may not exist.

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>>32508136
The undeserved (you) goes to you anon. I'm sorry nobody has mentioned what you have said yet.
Nano materials, specifically carbon nano tube weave is what you would need for armor. Millions maybe even billions of layers of these weaved layers stacked, compressed and adherred or lined in some polymer coating formed into plates.
Could work. I would love to see tensile strengh tests compared to steel.
Someone with tons o cash get on it!

>>32508133
>billion+ size army
Wasn't the clone army only like 5 million total?

>>32509833
>We see troops go down, but its entirely possible they are still alive
In the lore the armor is actually pretty damn good at protecting from blaster fire. Most of the storm troopers who are "dead" are just knocked out from the energy diffusion

>>32512858

"Alright everyone, here's the plan. We're all going to infiltrate a large, open, public arena on a planet that is actively creating a droid army large enough to challenge the authority of the Republic. We're all going to loudly announce ourselves, brandish lightsabers, and hope this group dedicated to open rebellion, lead by a former Jedi Master, will surrender. If we encounter resistance, break off and engage the enemy on your own initiative. We have no fallback plan; we need no fallback plan. May the Force be with us."

>>32513153
Consider also nanofabrication techniques as well now. I remember something like ten years ago a college lab made a metal-rubber composite that was flexible while being impenetrable to regular knives.

>>32513265
The combat-ready batches.

>>32512858

And if it hadn't been for Yoda showing up with the cavalry, it would have been 100%.

Of course, I hate to even imagine the loss of clone troops, given that the Jedi promptly used them as NAPOLEONIC LINE INFANTRY!

>>32511520
Pre-disney the stormie armor is actually supposed to be far better than phase one or two clone armor with the plates being extremely hard to penetrate with any physical projectile or melee weapon while dispersing the impact of a blaster bolt and minimizing damage to the wearer giving them a better chance at survival. The uncovered portions of the black body suit is the major weakness of it that even murderous teddy bears with bows can penetrate. It also does not protect from things that would snap limbs anyways. Clone armor was particularly good for shrapnel and MIGHT save you from a bad shot if you're lucky. Clone armor vs stormtrooper armor is basically IIIa vs III. Clone Commando armor is the exception here and definitely above stormtrooper armor in many ways including protection of the wearer.

Post disney stormies still don't just die from a blaster shot. In Rebels they're regularly shown squirming around on the ground like they just got hit in the gut with a sledgehammer but still plenty alive. Clones die by the truckloads in the Clone Wars series from similar hits.

The biggest problem across both versions is that the stormies were garbage compared to the clones when it came to actually being soldiers.

>>32513014
Who out of all the arc troopers is the best?
And who out of the commando's?

>>32513485

That it provides any protection at all from blaster bolts is impressive. Just think about what they have to do to your body; they kill through thermal transfer, not blood loss. The wounds they cause don't look so bad from the outside, but they cook your insides, flash-boiling fluids that tear up organ tissue.

Same reason why getting stabbed with a lightsaber is so lethal. You'd think a thin blade that instantly cauterizes a wound wound be more survivable than most gunshots, but while it's in you, it's doing to your guts what it did to that blast door Qui-Gon was stabbing in Ep. 1.

>>32513265
5 million units
It's speculated that unit means battalion

>>32513265
>>32513852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtZB-qU9_iY

>>32513852
>>32513969

All those copies of one dude. Even if just a fraction of them reproduced, imagine how many descendants they're bound to have in the human population. Jango Fett is going to end up the galaxy's Genghis Khan.

>tfw you will never cut down filthy rebels in the name of the Empire

https://youtu.be/bF2NxpSvwR8

>>32508120
Clone trooopers and stormtroopers aren't the same.

>>32509833
From what I've read about the Kaminoan's and specialty clone troopers, they can genetically modify certain traits, such as intelligence, strength, and, most importantly, free thought. It's literally like having the create a player skill sliders from a sports game, except on a clone. The more specialized yhe clone, the greater the skills given. That's why most the named troopers we know, that portray distinct personalities, are Commanders, ARC troopers, and etc.

>>32514036
are you fucking dumb.

Of course they're sterile.

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>>32508050
>60s
>60 years ago

>>32511212
>muh space magic
no

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>>32514221
>CGI Leia at the end
she should have had at least another 10-15 years. fuck this gay earth.

>>32512782
what is this from? the Tarkin book?

>>32514770

It's almost 60 years ago. 57 or so years ago.

To 70 is ten years, to 80 is twenty, to 90 is thirty, to 2000 is fourty, to 2010 is fifty, so 2017 is 57.

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>>32515048
The CG series. After the episode where nearly the entire top military brass for the Republic was killed.

>>32514652
theyre not. there was an episode in the clone wars where one raised a family with an alien.

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Daily Reminder.

Jedi are violent liberals who killed people because they believed differently then they did.

Jedi started the New Sith Wars.

>>32515114
That weren't his kids, their biological father had died long before he deserted.

>>32515141
>Killing vicious, back-stabbing edgelord tyrants who nearly "just as planned" each other into extinction
>Bad
You're a retard.

>>32515253

Found the triggered Jedi.

>>32515096
Again, though, what the fuck would have happened had the droid team not stumbled onto the plot and set off the bomb early?

The CIS would have fucking succeeded, that's fucking what. It was a near-perfect surprise dick-punt from behind that Tarkin's hindsight wouldn't have prevented.

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>>32512782
>talking about how the defacto good guys in a fairytale who got wiped out tragically DESERVED IT

4chan, you're adorable.

UHH EXCUSE ME, ITS PLASTEEL.

>>32512122
So Palpatine basically pulled a long-con?

Nice

>>32515141

Believed differently than they did, haha as if that is an excuse.

So when you go out and some african dude tries to rape your gf, you just go "ah, he thinks differently, its normal back there, go ahead mate"? No, you fuck him up.

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>>32515428
Cruisers aren't cheap anon.

>>32515485
Technically the long con started a thousand years before with Darth Bane. It was just finally put into proper action with Palpatine and the Trade Fed blockade to get him into the right place of power to start his endgame.

>>32512631
Yeah, that's kind of the whole point being made.

>>32515529
I know they're the bad guys, but I'm continually impressed by the cunning and patience of the Sith lore-wise.

Something Disney seems to have forgotten.

>>32508115
The Clone Wars shits on all other canon Star Wars content.

>>32514866
>Abuse cocaine and alcohol for most of her life
>Somehow make it to 50
>She should have made it to 65
>Most healthy people are lucky to make it to 65-70, nvm coke heads.

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>>32515428
>Good guys
>Leads a slave army made up of artificially aged 10 year olds.

Pick exactly one. They were government servants with magic powers that got out played by a smarter government servant with magic powers and a different view point.

>>32515711
They didn't consider the ramifications of who they were leading, just the threat of a severing of the Republic with an opponent with armies that did shit like the Defoliator.

>>32515711
Fucking this. When viewed objectively the Stars Wars universe is actually pretty ambiguous about what "good" and "bad" really are.

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>In this thread a bunch of idiots calling palpatine smart due fufilling a thousand year plan that was head started by every other sith before him and after bane.
Blinded

>>32511738
They tackled this in the EU (rip) with the imperial knights. Basically jedi, but they're only loyal to the emperor. Training focused on small unit tactics and martial prowess.

Then Darth Krayt happened and you can't really beat Darth Krayt. (They used a Skywalker to throw him into the sun.)

>>32515096
oh i must have forgotten, its been a while.

iirc, Tarkin was one of the few people who was a military officer before the Clone Wars, albeit it was a glorified Coast Guard

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>>32516031
Speaking of superior strategists...

Why doesn't this man have his own trilogy?

>>32516060
Because nobody likes a mary sue

>>32516060
Because Disney killed the EU then brought him back after everyone bitched.

>>32508776

A solid punch and a hit with a blaster or bullet are two different impacts.

You get knocked around the head with a stick, with any kind of helmet, and theres a good chance youll be knocked out.

They dont make you invulnerable, just keep your head in one peice.

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>>32516060
He's too busy painting shit on his Star Destroyer.

>>32515871

I remember them. The Imperial Knights were badass. Basically a Jedi Order that focused on martial aspects without embracing Sith Edgelordery.

>>32515485
here was the con:

1- work their way into the government
2- use business and gov't ties to keep the Republic from doing anything (literally drag it into procedure and courts). This delegitimizes the Republic and makes the leadership weak
3- become Chancellor, be a reformer to slowly centralize power. at the same time, push a succession movement. this is around Phantom Menace time.
4- fake a crisis (Clone Wars) to centralize MORE power. at the same time, make the Jedi occupied and weaken them in both number and morale.
5-Order 66 to kill the Jedi
6- Declare self Emperor, bringing peace and stability to a ruined galaxy
7- Expand, occupy, and rebuild. Make your new order. tie up Senate remnants in procedure.
8- Eliminate/liquidate remaining militias, etc. Eliminate Senate
9- Rule with overwhelming power

It was a long con, but it worked up until the Rebels get Luke Skywalker and blow the Death Star

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>>32508115
The Clone Wars show was surprisingly good.

>>32516089
Since the EU is fucked anyway, there should be a trilogy that follows the meteoric rise of Darth Krayt and Thrawn.

Rated R.

I'd watch it. At least Krayt has a great story and actual character arc, and thrawn is a tactical winning machine.

>>32516060
He's in Rebels, but im not sure how long they will use him.

it would be awesome if they do more with him.

>>32516079
Idk, people love Luke

>>32516114
kill yourself immediately

>>32511196

The only time a stab was used in medieval (sword and sheild) fights was as the final finishing move on a downed opponent.

The rest was bashing, often with the sheild, or hilt of a longsword.

Does Kevlar protect your bones from hammer type blows?

>>32516114
as far as i know, Ventress is still running around

>>32516145
Because of how wide the medieval period is as a time period, your post is vague as fuck and wrong for vast periods of time.

>>32512252
All reasons why palpatine is one of my favorite characters, and one of the greatest fictional masterminds

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>>32516144
Try watching it. The first season is kind of slow but it gets a lot better. I'm glad to have something that's not always focused on jedi.

>>32516150
Nah, she ded.

>>32516207
>Sidious vs maul and savage

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>>32516226
I thought I had that webm but apparently I don't. Sidious kept up with his sick spins.

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>>32516207
Phase II clone armor is so fucking cool.

>>32516207
why are the robots so shit at shooting and aiming what a lot of shit
also why do the robots get scared

>>32516255
>>32516226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg

Watch Palpatine in his glory

>>32516302

>also why do the robots get scared

Self-preservation. They can't do their job if they're scrapped.

>>32516122
That's actually not a bad idea.

Goes from tusken raider, to jedi.

Order 66 happens, gets pissed, kills all his clones, becomes a tusken warlord.

Territory gets close to Lars homestead, obi wan beats him, disgrace him in front of his tribe.

Becomes a bounty hunter (maybe hang out with Boba) captured by melt faced sadists. Tortured until he falls to the dark side, and breaks himself out.

Finds sith holocrons from bane, andeddu, revan.

Says fuck the 2 sith rule. I rule.

Removes emperor fel, smashes imperial knights.

Betrayed by his number two, "dies."

Comes back "more powerful than you can imagine." Literally cannot stay dead at this point.

Skywalker plot armor defeats him, then gets thrown into the sun.

The ending kinda sucks, but since he's not canon anymore they can play around with it.

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>>32516302
In order to prevent a repeat of repeat of the battle in Phantom Menace, the droids were made to be independent of a central intelligence which gave them personalities because reasons.

>>32516207
>Nah, she ded.
Not likely. She's even bereft of her lightsabers as of the end of the series, and bounty hunting's a great way to stay under the radar in the outer rim.

>>32510027
Do you know if that was ever acknowledged as a bad idea by the relevant authorities? Did they change that? I'd figure that jedi barring some command aptitude would work well as a kind of political officer.

>>32516302
it would seem that they were made as cheap as possible. it didnt matter how dumb they were, for every clone there was literally like 100 B1s, with the CIS army being like trillions strong.

iirc, the B1s were poorly made even by Naboo-era standards. they mainly existed to be cheap mall security, who were given guns.

>>32516401
more like "George Lucas wanted to market it to kids". they didnt act that way in AotC or RotS, or have the eunich voice

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How realistic is MGS5 Phantom Pain's combat armor? It looks heavy as fuck

>>32516483
Tarkin saw it as bad, but consider it like this:

>Be Republic, thats stood 1000 years
>no war, just random pirate raids and drug raids
>Navy is just Coast Guard
>suddenly a foreign military shows up, outnumbering you as if the PRC and USSR joined forces against Sentinel Island tribals
>out of nowhere the Sentinelese inherit the entire US military

seems that the republic wouldnt even ask questions if their only real legendary "warriors" were being given command despite inexperience. It seems that Jedi had a very high and magical place in their society. To be fair, they CAN do a lot.

>mind trick
>mind reading
>moving stuff
>maintaining calm in self and others

really, they are great force-multipliers (pun intended)

>>32515428
>good guys

>jedi

Pick one.

>>32516785
I bet you main Reaper, too.

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>>32516568
I see your point, and with what you said I'd still think that they'd make for some pretty kickass political officer type guys.

>inspire troops
>be a kickass asset in pretty much every combat scenario
>get younger jedi actual combat experience

This sounds kinda awesome. Imagine a dirty ass Jedi coming In from a stint out on some jungle planet with the unit they were attached to.

>>32516976
>playing overwatch
pseudo-weeb waifuist trash game

>>32516226
The best Star Wars fight scene to date, imho. Even with it being animated.

That show was bad for the first season or two, and any filler episode with jarjar is fuckig pointless. But overall I'm glad I watched it, it got really fcking good by the end

>>32516345
Fucking awesome

>>32512020
Jedi were space ISIS. Fucking religious fanatics.

>>32513485
Too much of the Star Wars lore has the Empire needlessly bleeding manpower and equipment. TIE pilots are expendable, okay but that doesn't mean the Star Destroyer under no urgency should jump out without recovering or launching a recovery shuttle to pick up pilots.

The Rebels are shown using medical technology.

>>32513838
>incinerated organs
scrape off the burnt bits and dunk in bacta

>>32515485
Palpatine created a Win/Win scenario.

It didn't matter if the Jedi succeeded or failed, both results would improve his standing or weaken the Jedi.

If the Jedi magically fixed it, Palpatine would have been the smart granddaddy who knew the best thing to do.

>>32516401
is that anakin doing gunkata?

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>>32512875
>Who are the best troops in the Star Wars universe?
Magnaguards.

>>32508080
HOLY FUCKING KEK

>>32509118

Because Rogue One isn't really a Star Wars movie.

>>32514887
>Zero situational awareness while in enemy territory.
>Can't something at point blank range with a dozen shots.
>Stand around in the killzone and fire randomly into fog.
>Ride mechs with no rider protection at all.

Yep, it's stormtroopers.

>>32516401
When you think about it, even with all of the dumb things that jedi did throughout their history, the dumbest thing that they ever did was refuse to use blasters.
With their ability to perceive unseen lifeforms through the force and be aware of incoming projectiles precognitively, they could have actually made gun kata feasible.

They kind of deserved to get wiped out, didn't they?

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I think woven carbon fiber plates would be strong enough to stop some pistol calibers, definitely shrapnel, and depending on if it's polymer infused maybe stop more than that.

It's pretty light stuff, definitely lighter than the ceramic plates we use now. Maybe combine the two somehow and get the best of both? You can form carbon fiber to pretty much any shape.

It isn't cheap though.

>>32510027
>is that they were given to jedi "generals" with no experience or training.
Replace "force" with "intelligence" and it still works.

>the jedi are naturally good at things they do because their intelligence allows them the knowledge and ability to work with that knowledge despite the lack of experience
>the jedi are good at convincing chefs to make their meals extra special because of the intelligence that allows them the ability to obtain knowledge and the capacity to use that knowledge despite the lack of experience

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>>32518538

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>>32516302
>Why? Why was I programmed to feel pain?

>>32510865
>Lorewise you're supposed to be able to just slap it on and yank it off.

>pressure sensors
>hand positioning sensors
>neural pattern sensors
>the helmets recognize the fingers through microchip technology or nanobot technology and unlock when activated
Just off the top of my head.

>>32511592
I don't even want to know what liberal hell bred this hip-firing stupidity.

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>>32518720

>>32518703
Even for starwars that level off inaccuracy from the attackers is just ridiculous.

>>32518750
Isn't this supposed to be a kid's cartoon? Setting intelligent humanoids on fire seems pretty intense.

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>>32518770
Kids need to learn about the Soviet Afghan war.

>>32518793
>Togruta and twilek head tentacles look like hijabs.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>>32518770
Probably has one of the absolute highest on screen death counts for any "kid's cartoon" in a very long time.

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>>32508177

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>>32518837

>>32511250
>>32511302
If I recall correctly, it happened so unexpectedly and so fast that Bastila didn't have time to use her battle meditation.

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>>32518720
>>32518732
this is why we need an R rated clone wars/galactic civil war movie without space wizards. Apocalypse now in space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26hmRbDQFw

>>32518750
>animators made sure their wings light up first before they burn to death like insects
thats fucking metal

the clone wars animated series is the only good thing to come out of starwars since the originals and tales of the bountyhunter.

>>32509179
>attack in massive waves that are utterly expendable.
good to see they've adopted Soviet tactics.

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>>32518793

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Dat space hind, muh dick.

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>>32510751

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>>32518939
He had a rough fucking life after the Clone Wars.

>>32518976
>*gasp* seyv th' dreem

>>32518875
>this is why we need an R rated clone wars/galactic civil war movie without space wizards
This might interest you. Not R rated, but still damn good. Surprised it hasn't been posted yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

>>32519082
And M rated games.

>>32518608

Or a lightsaber in one hand and a blaster in the other. Go space-magic musketeer.

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>>32516114
this

>>32519294
I think that was a fighting style in kotor2, but my memory is a bit fuzzy

>>32518714
Hearty kek

>>32519636
I wish it was.

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>>32519501

>>32519636
It's not

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>>32508115
Did yousa think meesa forget, Padme?

For muy muy years, meesa been waitin, watchin in dejection as yousa be savin da galaxy. Meesa hope youda been enjoyin youself, okee-day?

Because while yousa been senator, meesa been amassin greata terrible army of dellow felegates. Da felegates, if yousa be hearin me, Padme.

Wit yousa no longer around-a to ward off da big boomers, meesa finally escapin meesa prison. Yousa just made big mistake, Padme. Now, meesa return-a home to Naboo during du trade deal and claim what meesa mine!

Together wit meesa felegates, weesa deesa propose immediately be gettin da approval and become-a da new supreem chancellor. Nuttin be standin in weesa way. Goodbye Padme, Okee-day. Yousa bigga city ways no longer be taintin da galaxy.

Deesa be gungan risin! Wit meesa powers du sith, meesa plunge immediately galaxy into du muy muy years of darkness! And the dellow felegates... deesa be wit meesa all da way! Thankee muy muy, Padme!

>>32518770
Geonosis is like dday
https://youtu.be/rC9AZPVIZhU

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>>32520292
Good Lord that lack of Strategy

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>You will never be the Commander of an Imperial Star Destroyer and blow up Rebel scum

Why live?

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>>32520328

>>32511212
Wasn't Battle Meditation rare on a fuckhueg scale? Like, 1 in 10,000 level rare?

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>>32520342
>You'll never fly escort for Lord Vader
>You'll never blow rebel aces out of the water in your cheaply made mass produced fighter
>You'll never drop napalm on ewoks

Life is unfair

>>32519827
>team killing fuck tards

>>32516540

..... Is that a BTR with a fucking katyusha system on it?

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>>32515526
>Trying to pilot capital ships like fighters

God jedi are trash

>>32511280
wut

Their was also a clone who had a family with a twilek widowmaker and deserted the army
https://youtu.be/v-_fbJh5H48

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>>32520575

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Alderaan shot first.

>>32520271
daily reminder that jar jar was supposed to be a sith lord more powerful than sidious

>>32520727
I KNEW IT

>>32520727
God damn it Lucas

>>32511241

God the parjai helmet is so ugly

>>32515301
Found the tripfag

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Are Arc Troopers the navy seals of the star wars universe?

>>32508115
The clone wars is the coolest period of star wars history, kill yaself.

>>32516114

This. There are a few shitty kiddy scenes but that was a necessary evil to get it aired, but there are some legitimately good scenes in there. Same with rebels.

>>32518866
BRUTAL

>>32518939
Top tier filename friend

>>32520352
Clones are fucking badass, following the superdudes into ludicrous maelstroms of gunfire like that.

Balls.

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>>32522118
Nah, IMO they're more marsoc, the commandos tho are more sealish

>>32516255
Aw man, I was just planning to make that very webm today.

>>32520560
Probably, they stopped using real world equipment.

>>32518608
Natural selection did not favor the jedi, at all. They're idiots and their lightsaber-worship is entirely ideological. The sith inherited some of this stupidity from them, but at least their penchant for projectile based applications of the force (lightning) compensate somewhat.

>>32507974
Not really.

The big pro of conventional helmets that don't have everything integrated into them is the bulk.

You can put your night vision googles in your backpack during the day(since having it on your head adds additional weight to your neck which is less than pleasant), same with the gasmask when it's not needed. You can't do this on helmet with integrated NVG/thermal(I assume) and gasmask/other stuff. Now for space era battles it might make sense(different environments may cause the need for this things to be used whole the time) but for earth-based warfare it's stupid.

>>32520707
A venator for a lucrehulk is one heck of a trade.

>>32513969
>ww1 had 60mil dudes in it
WTF THATS NOT BIG ENOUGH

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>>32520271
Bro. No, just no.

>>32515833
F U C K K R E I A
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>>32524987
Rude

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>>32520292
See, this is why in ESB the Empire lands further away from the Rebel positions and does an armored ground assault. Even in Phantom Menace the Trade Federation lands their army on the far side of the planet.

Rather than trying to air assault right into the fire ant nest.

Fucking Jedi.

I'm never forgiving Yoda for leaving Sev behind.

>>32525759
Sev was dead. There was nothing you could have done.

>>32511787
Well, the Republic did send the Separatists fleeing to the outer rim, but Palpatine ordered that they be pursued and wiped out to stretch the Jedi thin and make them easier to eliminate. If it had been an actual war, the Republic would have most likely won.

>>32525759
>Be me
>Sev goes down
>order everyone to exfil zone at end
>single-handedly fight my way through like 12 Supers and expend every grenade and bit of ammo i have working my way through a company of droids
>get to where I left Sev
>he isnt there, just 5 more SBDs
>have to fall back

FUCK. YOU. TOO.

>>32513374
Windu should have taken the Jedi he brought with him and confronted Dooku and the other separatists directly.

>>32515736
That's how it is irl, anon.

>>32516060
Well, he did until Disney axed the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrawn_trilogy

>>32520292

>Heli spam in a 10v10 red dragon game.
>Rushing straight into the enemies guns
>So much disregard for you soldiers lives
>No heavy support from capital ships

Jesus fucking christ jedi were shitty fucking generals.

>>32520634

Aren't those his wifes kids though?

>>32508115

Single reactor ignition.

>>32522118
Red paint is best paint.

>>32527651
makes it go faster

>>32512020
>leak reports the chancellor is a Sith Lord
The Sith were supposed to be extinct. Insinuating that a Senate Chancellor were a Sith Lord would have started a panic.

Now, getting a bunch of wingnuts to picket his house while calling him a shitlord...

>>32527698
WWWWAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH

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>>32527724

>>32516401
They said they were going to ReBoot Star Wars, but I never thought...

>>32527376
iirc, their capital ship was down and the air support was killed by AA batteries

>>32528002

>those acclamators just sitting there.

Fucking come on jedi!

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>>32527937
I hope that was the joke I think it is.

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>>32527723

>>32511119
>heavy droid casualties
Yeah, thats kinda always gonna be a CIS win when you can't actually see the loss of troops. Also, Geonosis was a heavy manufacturing facility at the time so presumably the clones shut that down which would be a big strategic victory.

The clone army was a ridiculously good military force held back by the fact that the Jedi were made generals instead of hiring officers from experienced groups like Mandalorian warriors or some other bunch of well known warfighters. While Jedi are certainly useful only a few of them would have had any business being even near a command position.

>>32518750
>that Maxim water-cooled barrel on a DC-15
I'm pretty sure thats awesome

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>>32524987
It took her a few years what it took bane and his order a thousand

>>32527496
Yep, human father, but he died long before Cut deserted.

>>32528002
So why fly through the AA batteries?

When you're in an unfavorable situation you don't just press your disadvantage.

>>32528276
I can understand not directly trusting Mandalorian or outside groups to lead your army, but the total lack of tactical or strategic planning is simply embarrassing.

Mandalorian advisors and trainers sure, but you'd want loyal oversight.

>>32528968
Those things were pretty cool.
Like immobile artillery, but they can go basically anywhere.

>>32528923
Because the rest of the planet has even more AA batteries. And active fighters.

>>32508050
The thing is that in the lore it says that the layer of fabric underneath the armor adds a layer of cooling/warming insulation that allows them to be in all type of environments.

Why is Phase 1 the most aesthetic Clone Trooper armor?

>>32528973
Loyalty can be bought with credits, status, and a good time. What Mandalorian besides death watch dickheads would say no to a relatively stable life of being paid and holding real rank while having fun shooting battle droids and blowing shit up?

>>32527343
He's in Disney canon now.

That rebels show or something.

>>32529183
putting the mandalorians in charge of an entire galaxy's army is lets say, shortsighted.

>>32529248
Not the whole thing, but they'd be damn good leading men on the ground for sure.

>>32529248

What's wrong with that?

A culture based on conquests and war would make a great army.

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>>32528973
>>32529183
>>32529248
>>32529283
>>32529300
In the Republic Commando books, mandalorians were used to train clone commandos.

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>>32525759
>>32527211

Scorch....calm the fuck down.

>>32512875
The red guys

>>32512875

Arc Troopers. Hands down.

>>32529321

Hell yeah. The Cuy'val Dar were bad asses.

>tfw even Kal couldn't find Sev.

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>>32529525
I mean, Republic Commando the game/bookd aren't necessarily still canon, but the Clone Wars show made Delta Squad canon at least so Sev could still be alive.

>>32529619
EA is supposedly working on RC2 right now. I really hope it's true and I really hope they don't fuck it up assuming it is.

>>32529300

The mandos nuked their own planet into oblivion, got into a civil war, and have nothing to show for it other than the pathetic remnants of a single planet's forces.

>"B-Buh muh mandalorian wars"

Not canon.

>>32530347
And the ones that didn't choose to change their ways were mostly just a band of barely capable assholes.

>>32529433
was it red red green or was it red green red?

>>32512122
These guys get it
>>32511626

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>>32529701
>EA
>Not fucking up
Cute. I mean I would love a good Republic Commandos sequel, but you're just bullshitting yourself hard if you think (Current) EA has even the slightest bit of competence to tackle it and not fail miserably.

>>32531319
A man can dream.

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>>32516274
>StarWars_Battlefront_II

>>32529321
When they canceled the last book in the series, I quit reading Star Wars. It was the last set of characters I really cared about, and they had just finished the Solo kids' death battle so I put them down and never looked back.

>>32509833
>its plausible that the armor is extremely effective at thermal energy diffusion but shit at concussive and blunt force., for the same reason Kevlar is less than ideal for medieval warfare.
That's definitely true of vehicular armor - an AT-ST can be taken out by kinetic impacts much less concentrated than a 75mm AT gun.

>>32529619
>that very faint red on the one at the back right

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>>32531715
Nigga, it's literally Delta squad.

>>32531715
The Kashyyyk mission takes place well after that, basically right at the end of the Clone Wars.

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>>32515066
If you want to wax autistic the 60s ended on December 31, 1969. That's only 46 years give or take a few days.
Thus the 60s weren't even 50 years ago.

>>32515833
>>32524987
every sith before Palpatine tried to conquer the republic militarily.

Palpatine was the first one who had the patient and subtly to use politics to convert the republic into the empire. The jedi were blindsided because the separatist look like another Sith attempt to conquer the republic.

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>>32528068

>space battles in the clone wars cartoons are actually sensible long range engagements instead of age of sail broadsiding like the movies

God why did Lucas have to fuck up the Clone Wars movies so badly?

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>>32507974
It's essentially a full-body flak suit; it won't stop a direct hit from a blaster (not much can). Blaster impacts throw around superheated fragments and sublimated gasses, so wearing a suit like that would lower casualties significantly.

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>>32507974
What about the M3 Pattern armor? Ultimate badasses and all that.

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>>32532759

Mah Nigga

>>32516480
Shes dead. Dark Disciples is a canon story

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>>32529701
IS THIS TRUE?! SOURCE?!!!

>>32518720
>>32518732
>It Ain't Me starts playing

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>>32533333
Quints of good taste don't lie.

>>32533267
For the love of God, we're talking about EA. If the game kills you quickly and painlessly, with your memories of RC untainted, that would be the best case scenario.

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>>32508115
Clone Wars > Galactic Civil War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Whatever is being fought in Episode 7.

>>32533893
I'm not someone who wastes his money on preorders or shitty games.
If there was a sequel and it was shit i'd avoid it, like how i avoided the new Battlefront.

>>32533333
Hell yes