What is /k/'s thoughts on the beretta 92fs? I'm a noguns

>>32495093
it's alright
not exactly the greatest

get a glock or other striker-fired polymer-framed 9mm instead
or go cz if you insist on hammers and steel

>>32495107
Is this glock 19 okay? Again, I'm a poorfag so the cheaper the better but I don't want stinky shit either

http://www.centerfireguns.com/glock-g19-9m-us-15r-fs-ui1950203.html

Army uses the beretta.

Police use the glock.

They're both perfectly functional and utterly boring guns.

>>32495093
I'd be surprised if you could find one that cheap. Good gun, too big to conceal for most people and I personally don't like the ergonomics. I second getting a polymer striker fired gun in 9mm like a Glock 19

>>32495093
It's a good gun. I prefer it to a Glock 19 because I personally shoot it better than I do a Glock 19. Your results may vary.

>muh concealed carry

I do not work at a job where concealing something as large as a Glock 19 all year round would be easy or viable. I have a different gun for CC.

>>32495093
>a quality pistol under $500
the 92 fs isnt that
you can get posurp 92s for under $500 but those have the heel release

>>32495107

>look ma, i can meme too

>>32495546
92s is like 300. Somebody needs to make a grip for it with a thumb mag release adapter like fab does for the makarov but with a rail like the recover tactical grips..

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>>32495093
They're good. Don't let anybody fool you into thinking they are "big". My brothers 5'8 gf loves the way it feels in her hands. They're also not heavy either.

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>>32496107

inb4 poppy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTeK63hVOF0

>>32496141
FUCK YOU

>>32495093

Bulky for concealed carry, excellent reliability (if use used assuming springs are ok and good mags), mechanical accuracy usually excellent, trigger travel damn long, ergonomics fairly ok (very large grip, don´t like safety). Sights are ok. I have owned one almost 20 years and put maybe 10,000 rounds though it. Otherwise a good choice, but if you intend CC'ing save bit more for better choices.

I have not used mine much lately, since decocker safety sucks in action shooting (IPSC etc).

(Likely) typos and grammar: Written after drinking bottle of champagne.

>>32495229

Utterly boring, but why invent the wheel? No average Joe is ever going to have real possibility of testing various available pistols anywhere near the scale that military and police use for testing their possible next service weapon. If it wins and gets accepted it cannot (usually) be half-bad.

(Likely) typos and grammar: Written after drinking bottle of champagne.

>>32496296

Should be: ...why re-invent the wheel...

>>32496141
This made me hard

>>32496124
>1.06oz lighter than the Jericho/BHP
>5.92oz heavier than P226
>~3oz heavier than SP01
Mebbe next time compare it to other alloy/aluminum-framed guns huh.

Also, once fully loaded with a 15rd mag it weighs more than a fully loaded 1911, even when comparing 115gr 9mm to 230gr .45acp.

>>32496124
>t-the beretta isn't heavy guise!
>See, I'll compare it to guns everyone also bitches are heavy, being among other heavy guns totally makes it not-heavy!
Your reasoning skills are shit. That's like me saying "the m240b isn't heavy! Here, let me compare it to a bunch of other stupidly heavy GPMG's like the FN MAG or the MG42 as if that totally doesn't make it really suck to carry"

>>32495229
>They're both perfectly functional and utterly boring guns.
The Beretta is far from boring. It's sexy as hell. It's very common, but not boring.

The Glock is boring. No features, no sex appeal.

>>32496243
>since decocker safety sucks in action shooting (
why?

>>32496418
Reverts it to DA instead of preserving the SA, changing the trigger pull.

There's a reason DA/SA pistols are extremely rare in action shooting like IDPA, USPSA/IPSC, 3-gun, and Steel Challenge. ESPECIALLY IDPA since hammer-fired guns have to start hammer-down in most if not all divisions.

>>32496404
>heavy
>rusty
>steel
>phosphate
>sexy

One of these is not like the others.

The G19 OTOH is the archetypical perfect pistol. Enough rounds for a two-way fight, but small enough to conceal and not a boat anchor. Perfect reliability and durability, and perfectly simple. There's a reason every SOCOM unit uses it.

>>32496445
>hammer-fired guns have to start hammer-down
That's the answer I was looking for.

With DA/SA there's often no reason to use the manual safety since the DA trigger pull is heavier than that on most striker fireds, if not all.

Kind of bullshit that their rules basically just make it a 99% Glock tournament.

>>32496418

Way too many stages starting with "loaded & chambered but safety on" in here - with 92 FS you have to first flick safety off and then fire the first round with long & heavy hammer down trigger pull. Much easier to do with pistol that does not decock with safety on, if you actually shoot to compete and get better at it (as yours truly)...

>>32496517
Welcome to the world of competition, both for sport and military contracts.

>>32496461
>Perfect reliability and durability
Since you're a Glock fanboi you should read "Glock: America's Gun" it will give you a dose of reality on your little baby.

They're no more reliable or durable than most other popular guns on the market. They're no more complex or simpler than most. Their capacity is equal to most popular guns on the market.

The reason why Glock has grabbed so much of the market share is featured in the above mentioned book. They came about at the right time and sucked the dick of military and law enforcement very hard. They sell the guns to LE and Military barely above cost (around $300-350) and they often give them free replacements. Its a pure dollars and cents move.

Glock was basically giving them away. Once a few police adopted them, other police wanted to see what the deal was, so they asked to look at them.

When Glock sells guns, they wine and dine you, they come and train you, etc. Companies like S&W and Beretta just send you a sample and ask if you want to buy it.

Some people in the military who are allowed to choose their own guns choose Glock because it's what they like to shoot, but Glock has been passed over every time it comes up for a big military fulfillment order because they do not meet the minimum standards. Have the time they are not even allowed to enter the contract bidding phase because the gun doesn't meet the features list

>>32495093
IF, and that's a big IF, you can find a cz 75 of some kind in stock somewhere then buy it. They are pretty much impossible to get ahold of right now. A brand new CZ 75 Omega (or base mode 75B) can be had for ~$450 online.

>>32496610
>they're no more reliable or durable than most other popular guns on the market
True
>they're no more complex or simpler than most
This is NOT true. Glocks are pretty much as simple as a semi-auto handgun can be made, with 10-15 fewer parts than most others and 4 fewer than the next closest.
>their capacity is equal to most popular guns on the market
NOW, yes. Back in the late 80's when they came stateside, no. They had a humongous capacity advantage over things like the Beretta 92 series and the S&W boat anchors, or the P220.
>but Glock has been passed over every time it comes up for a big military fulfillment order because they do not meet the minimum standards
>half the time they are not even allowed to enter because the gun doesn't meet the features list
This is at least partially because the features list is fucking retarded.

>>32496676
CZ is heavier than Beretta 92 and less available and you're getting similar set-ups.

Get the Beretta, OP

>>32496707
The SP01 and the Omega series have aluminum alloy frames and weigh significantly less than a 92. The 75B has a steel frame and weighs more. The SP01 weighs less than a P226.

>>32496381
>~3oz heavier than SP01

Than a CZ SP-01? Pretty darn sure a regular old CZ SP01 is ~1150 grams.

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All these Glock suckers. Don't you know Glocks are the iPhones of firearms?

Chunky pieces of plastic, kindergarten sketch design.

>>32496720
>>32496715
Well, I fucked up. I grabbed the weight of the P01, not the SP01. The P01 is the one with the aluminum frame, and weighs 28.7oz (~813g). Yeah the SP01 is a steel frame and is heavy.

I could've sworn I read somewhere they were moving the Omega line and the SP01 line to aluminum frames.

go into a gun store and handle some guns, see what you like and what you can afford

>>32496461
>The G19 OTOH is the archetypical perfect pistol.

Hah, no. Glocks are like AKs in the sense that they were made to be cheap to produce and pretty reliable. Since reliability goes without question for other major pistols (p226, cz75, 92fs, etc) the only thing Glock really had goving for it was the price. Now that you can get a S&W shield or SD9VE for $100 to $200 less, it lost that as well.

>>32496760
The SD9VE has a HORRIBLE trigger though. It's worse in every regard when compared to the Glock trigger, which is considered one of the worst factory triggers in a striker-fired pistol already.

Fair point on the Shield though. I'd also list the M&P9 Compact in that category, as well as the Sig P320.

>>32495093
slide safety a shit. Big as 9mm guns get. Heavy. Aside from that, awesome guns, fun plinkers, and they look sexy.

>>32496705
1. In terms of gunsmithing the Glock has a slight advantage in simplicity. In terms of field use, most popular guns break down with the same amount of ease/difficulty.

2. Humongous capacity advantage? Over revolvers, sure, but in the 1980s the 92 was carrying 15 rounds to the Glocks 17 rounds. Beretta was also producing 20 and 30 round mags in 1979 for the 93r.

Glock's only advantages other than business:
1. Weight
2. Idiot proof. (Pull trigger go boom.)

Downsides to its upsides
1. n/a
2. Increased accidental discharges. Statistical fact when they were issued NDs went up.

>>32496821
1. I'll give you that. But less shit that CAN go wrong=less shit that WILL go wrong.
2. And the 2 rounds over the Beretta equates to a 12% capacity improvement. And it's either 3 or 7 rounds over the S&W 59xx series (model 59 held 10 rounds, 5906 which is 8 years newer than a gen1 Glock 17 held 14).

The increase in ND's is a result of not having a manual safety and better nation-wide tracking of police ND's. While it DID increase, we're not really sure by how much due to piss-poor reporting and records keeping prior to 1980.

Also the Glock 17 is quite a bit older than most of the other pistols on that list, being first introduced to the US in 1982.

>>32496821
>Beretta was also producing 20 and 30 round mags in 1979 for the 93r
And the launch of the Glock 18 led to factory 33rd mags in 1983. Which is before the 92S existed and nearly 13 years before the 92FS existed.

>>32495138
Not that guy but consult the sticky. It suggests solid guns to start with.

Both the glock 19 and beretta 92 are both great guns. What it comes down to is your preference and which one you like more.

Go to a store, finger them a little bit. See which one you like more. They're good starter guns.

>>32496821
>Glock's only advantages other than business
1. Weight
2. Idiot proof
3. Narrower than everything else by a lot
4. Capacity, by a fair margin (beats closest competitor of the era by 2, beats the average by 5)
5. Cost, both for initial procurement and maintenance/accessories

There. FTFY.

>>32496676
Don't fall for the CZ 75 meme. Get a PO-9.

>arguing about magazine capacity differences that do not exist in the current year
>arguing about magazine capacity in range toy extended mags

>>32496705
>This is at least partially because the features list is fucking retarded.

Or it's a negative of the simplicity you touted.

>>32496402
>>32496381
All this hate and anger. Kinda funny desu.

>>32496381
>when it is carrying twice the ammunition it weighs more

fascinating

>>32496901
Glocks weren't officially introduced in the U.S.until 1986

>>32497143
Doesn't change the fact that 23,000 of them were imported in 1982 for the LE market.

>>32497212
Imported because they were purchased or imported by Glock with the intent to sell.

>>32495093
It's good. However, it's a big heavy handgun with an upside down safety mounted to the slide. If that's OK with you then it's a good gun.

I would say go with a polymer striker handgun, especially if price is a concern. I thought metal handguns were better too, but what you save in price and weight with a polymer gun is worth it.

Glock, FN, CZ, HK, and SIG all make good options in this category, with the most cost effective ones being the FNS and CZ p07.

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>>32497225
Canik TP9SF is a really good budget pistol. Will run you about $300 and so far has had a good reputation. It's been doing so well in fact it's already been used in a successful assassination.

>>32495138
Get the FNS-9. It's $100 less than a glock and leaves nothing to be desired. Glock owners spends hundreds of dollars trying to turn their guns into something like the FNS, but in the end they have some abomination that isn't even ambidextrous and has lolnosafety.

>>32495229
>Police use the glock.
We also drive crown Victorias, that doesn't mean everyone should buy that death trap. I have a feeling we only get glocks because they bid the lowest, and there's massive fanboyism in the firearms training bereau in favor of them (these guys are essentially fudds who refuse anything new)

Someone mentioned the capacity of glocks being a pro. They have shit capacity compared to other guns their size. They always seem to be missing 1-2 rounds over another gun with the same size grip. Maybe it's the plastic mags needing more mass to be sturdy, idk. But I was looking at their new single stack 9, same size as the Ruger lc9 yet holds one less round. Similarly the Glock 26 holds 2 less than the FNS-9 compact (our state troopers got issued the full size of that one) and the difference in size is a baseplate, probably less than a centimeter. And I know from experience Glock mags are hard as shit to load thr last round into, so they're using all the space available. Maybe it's something inherent in the design that makes them have less capacity? That bore axis is low which looks good to the consumer on the outside, but look inside, they lowered the entire action to account for it...

is there any reason to pay more for a beretta 92fs over a 92s?

>>32497261
Buying roach shit

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>>32496990
I have a cz 75 and it's fantastic. Also have two SP01s and a RAMI.

what's the best cz 75 variant for the money? is the cz 75b worth the extra money over the tangfoglios and other clones?

>>32497383

The 92FS has the mag release near the trigger and slightly taller sights. The 92S has the mag release on the heel and more "modest" sights. They are functionally identical otherwise.

In the cosmetics department, the 92S is blued and has a round trigger guard.

>>32497420
I had a RAMI in .40sw that regularly failed to feed

>>32495229
>utterly boring guns

Boring is good. If you want excitement, load either with Lester's ammunition.

>>32497434
The CZ 75b Omega convertible has a lower MSRP than a regular CZ 75b, but with the addition of a better trigger system and the option to switch between either a safety or a decocker. It's MSRP is actually lower than the standard CZ 75b base model because of the cheaper to manufacture Omega trigger system (which is actually superior to the original trigger system's design). When it's in stock, it can be had for $450 or so online. If you can't find that (which online I can't find any stores with it in stock) then go for the base model 75b which is also a fantastic pistol. Look here for the different models http://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/75-85-series/

>>32497434
Stick with CZ. If you must get a poorfag clone don't get one from Turkey, they support ISIS.

I'm not normally someone who advocates political causes, but then I saw the video of those sickfucks beheading a baby. Fuck turkroaches.

>>32497448
>I had a RAMI in .40sw

Any gun chambered in .40 is a mistake. Anyways, I have one chambered in 9 and it has never had a single malfunction.

>>32497480
Pasta clone comes in 10mm too.

>>32497480
>beheading a baby
link?

>>32497451
>boring is good
but that's wrong desu

>>32497480
Just googled/watched the video. Not going to be buying the CZ 10mm clone that I was looking at. Fuck muslims...

>>32497490

I found a censored (blurred out) version of the video. If you want the uncensored video then you can search for it yourself. Fuck muslims...

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/aleppo-rebels-behead-a-child/

>>32495093
I would go for a clock or cz personally. I've heard the 92 is reliable but it's really a bit big for cc, it's jammed on me several times on the range, the controls are awkward, and it's kinda heavy as well. Just my personal opinion, I think they're a bit of a meme.

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>>32497502
>Tanfoglio time

>>32497475
cool. i'm cheap so i'll probably try to buy a used one on gunbroker. I regularly see the cz 75b's for around ~$400 and the tanfoglios for around ~$300. there is a cz 75d pcr compact on there right now for $350 i'm debating on pulling the trigger on

>>32497516
>it's jammed on me several times on the range,

Army?

>>32497510
oh yeah i saw that one before i thought you meant like an infant size baby

>>32497516
Just in
>you have to clean your guns or theyll jam
Holy fuck

>>32497510
Calling Turk's a Muslim is like calling someone who has never gone to church a devout Catholic.

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>>32496404
Glock has sex appeal the same way this car gas sex appeal, the uglieness is sexy

>>32497520
>shit qc, shit customer service, shit fit and finish.

Dude, the heyday of italian firearms is lobg since past.

Don't fall for it anon. I regret my witness elite stock I every day.

>>32497538
Just in, it's my cia dad's gun and he cleans them after every shooting

>>32495093
A 92fs is a great pistol. It's a soft shooter, has a good aftermarket, a widely available surplus of guns and parts, can be gotten in ban states, is aesthetic as fuck and accurate to boot. Down side is she's a big beefy girl so not the best carry gun, and some have complaints with the slide mounted safety, but that's a matter of personal taste.

>>32497510
If this is the video I think it is, the "child" was a soldier.

>>32497539
>turkroach pls go

Ataturk is rolling in his grave right now, thanks to you fucks.

>>32497555
4chan is an 18+ website

>>32497531
I'm the one that brought it up and yes it was an infant sized baby. Not going to link it, don't even want to find it again. I'm sick of being exposed to the savagery of the third world (shit like this and cartel videos), we shouldn't have to deal with this shit.

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>>32497539
turkey is 99.8% muslim though

>>32497573
Now compare how "Muslim" the Muslims in Turkey are to say, Saudi Arabia.

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>>32497539
>Turkey
>Saudi Arabia
they're both roaches to me

>M92

Friend has one. It's fat and the controls stick out and catch on everything. Looks nice though. Always goes bang.

>>32497631
And that willful ignorance played a major role in Iraq becoming a decade long shitfest.

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>>32497658
>Implying it wasn't already a shitfest before anyone ever arrived ever

>>32497662
Thank you for further evidencing my statement.

>>32497667
every middle eastern country has been fucked since time immemorial. if you think it was anyone else's fault but their own then you're only fooling yourself.

>>32496402
You do know the M240 is a chucked up FN MAG right...

Not to mention the 92fs weight compared to several guns with shorter barrels, in which case the centurion exists

>>32495546
local shop has one for 469 it's got a regular release

Bought a 92s from Classic yesterday. Got the call from FFL while I was at work and I can't pick it up til Tuesday.

HELP I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG

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>>32495093
glock 19 should be your first pistol and you can find one for less than $500

Get the 92fs after the glock.

t. someone who owns both

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Its a solid pistol, can hold tight groups at 7 and 10 yards with little effort, smooth and crisp SA with the option of double action, decocker is handyn sight are solid, and it can endure quite abit of abuse

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Have a thing

>>32495526
You shoot Glock 19 better than itself?

>>32497674
The regions been fucked since the Arabs invaded everything. They're savages and it seems savagery eventually conquers all civilization and it thus devolves into chaos. It happened to Egypt, it happened to Persia, it happened to Rome, it happened to Byzantium, and it will happen to all the West.

Light cannot shine forever, it will inevitably be conquered by darkness.

>>32495093
Feels like sex in the hand and trigger is decent, it's an amazing pistol for $500

>>32497677
That still doesn't change the fact that the Beretta is a heavy fucking gun. Just because there are heavier does not reduce the weight of the Beretta.

I swear to Christ you people are fucking imbeciles.

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>>32497708
>glockfags believe this

>>32497539
The people beheading that child in the video are true muslims doing exactly what the Quran asks of them. YOU are the piss poor muslim that's refusing to fight in the name of your false-God. You not being like them makes you both a shit muslim and a better person then they are.

>>32497856
>the Beretta is a heavy fucking gun

It really isn't though, and weight in a full size gun isn't automatically a bad thing.

>>32497856
>That still doesn't change the fact that the Beretta is a heavy fucking gun
its not a heavy gun, you're just a weak little shit.

>>32498197
I now want to see you draw a 92fs (perhaps wearing a literal beret) being carried bridal style by a straining manlet while Makarov mocks him.

>>32495229
Socom uses glocks. The rest of the military is replacing m9s. Probably with a glock or glock copy.

>>32497296
stop recommending the squishy you fucking retard.

>>32496722
>Don't you know that glocks aren't the best pistols due to Internet memes?
>here take a look at this tacky Matrix prop

>>32497296
>leaves nothing to be desired.

Except new sights, a new trigger, a non squishy frame, and extended mags (which aren't available).

>>32498858
>The rest of the military is replacing m9s. Probably with a glock or glock copy.

The Army is replacing it's worn out and beat to fuck M9's, and will likely pick the Sig P320.

>>32498220
You have to be 18 to post here

>>32499084
>The Army is replacing it's worn out and beat to fuck M9's, and will likely pick the Sig P320.

Like I said, a glock copy.

>>32499138
>>32497867

>>32497420

BABY SLIDE

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>>32495093
>poorfag

Get a Glock.

>>32495093
I love the Beretta 92's. The best way to find if you love it is go to the local range and rent one if your range allows this. They are big, heavy, not really concealable, and have a slide mounted safety (Not for everybody). This being said, they are reliable as all fuck, they are big and heavy (Takes the kick down to nothing at all, literally on par with firing a .22lr), have a high capacity, and have the simplest take down I have seen in awhile. This will not be a CC gun if thats what you are looking for, and if you want that from a gun, but like the beretta style, take a PX4 Compact or a Cougar.

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Can anyone help me find an all stainless beretta 92, something like the pic related? It drives me fucking insane those black parts on a stainless gun

>>32500408
When you at slide mounted safety do you mean slide deckocker?

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>>32497867
""glockfag""

>>32500654
Its a decocker/safety unless you get the G model (Which i strongly prefer). I have carried one for a few months on the farm, but swifty found myself back with my Alaskan .454 Cas, but I love them. Good guns all around, and if you are a hammer fire person (Which I am) then you will probably love it too. I also don't slingshot my 92, I use the slide release. Never had a problem with it.

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>>32500648

>>32500718
Yes I wish. They completely fucked up the aesthetics with black control, and I mean completely

A 92s is the absolute best choice for the poorfag. It's a solid surplus under 300. When he gets enough change in his tin cup he might even get some nice ksg wood grips for it and make it a fancy bitch

>>32495138
Get a hipoint desu, extremely reliable extremely cheap and will always get the job done

>>32500696
G out of stock everywhere. Ffs

>>32495138
But Cosmoline smells Bкycнo!

>>32500762
You can always have it converted, or if you look at the PX4 series they are super easy to convert.

The 92 takes a bit more work, but id take it to a gunsmith and just pay the 30 bucks to have it done.

How is the beretta surplus market holding up?
Do the people that hate the police trade in going to throw them up for sale or should I avoid those because they're busted up?

>>32495093
It has a really hard trigger pull and some people don't like that.

Otherwise it's a completely vanilla handgun. It has the expected magazine size, acceptable sights, is reliable, has a manual safety.

It's the most normal gun ever.

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>>32495093
The 92 pairs nicely with cx4 storm, as they both take the same mags. I think that'd be the only real criteria for buying one. I carried on in the army, not a huge fan.

>>32495093
92fs is big, not suitable for ccw but for sd yes
its a good gun which will work

>>32497123
>being retarded just for the sake of it

>>32495093
>$500

The Glockfags are going to get buttmad but your best bet is to get a Taurus PT111 G2 if you want something Glock like. They go $200-$250 new and is a fine first hand gun. Spend the rest on ammo/extra mags/range time.

>>32501252
>It's the most normal gun ever.
What other guns let me role-play as John McClane AND DoomGuy

>>32501296
You should stop doing that.

/pol/ here.
just end your faggy life you dumb cocksuckers.

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>mfw I only like Beretta's because of John Woo movies

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Berettas are good and sexy.

You should buy a Beretta.