Possible G36 replacement on the horizon. http://www.thefire

>>32483798
Why would thy pick this over the widely used and proven 416? Almost as idiotic as dropping a good rifle like the G36.

>it melts meme
No it doesn't.

>>32483810
Was there ever an actual issue with the G36?
I remember the MG4 had quite a few issues,
but with the G36 it became never really clear.

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>>32483798
>Be the bundeswahr
>Have the G36, arguably the most pants-wettingly a e s t h e t i c assault rifle in service anywhere
>Have it also be a good rifle that's been the inspiration for the SCAR and every other polymer assault rifle under the sun, a game-changing landmark of a weapon by any and every metric
>Replace it with another fucking AR clone

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32483829
politics and beuracrats.

>>32483810
>No it doesn't.
But it loses accuracy due to overheating, which makes it absolutely unacceptable as a service rifle. What's the point in having a modern rifle if it loses its zero in any extended firefight? Might as well just go with an AK system or something.

>>32483916
Not sure if I agree with it being ground breaking, but the g36kv is the single most aesthetic firearm to date

>>32483927
It suffered from a wandering point of aim after doing magdumps on full auto nonstop for 24 hours. That would shoot out the bore on literally any rifle.

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>>32483937
I personally prefer the G36C. Nearly the same a e s t h e t i c s at a much shorter length.

>>32483950
http://www.dw.com/en/heckler-koch-g36-the-rifle-held-in-all-the-wrong-places/a-18402772

>A strictly classified series of tests conducted over the past months by three different applied science organizations, two Bundeswehr-related and one independent, was presented to von der Leyen at the end of March. The results, which were leaked to Reuters and select German media outlets, raised eyebrows well beyond the Defense Ministry.

>All it takes is two magazines (60 rounds of ammunition) to heat up the barrel to an extent that "serious accuracy degradation" occurs, the researchers found. At this point, the accuracy degradation can be as severe as 50 centimeters at a range of 200 meters, and a full 6 meters at a range of 500 meters.

>>32483956
http://augengeradeaus.net/2015/08/g36-von-maengeln-im-gefecht-steht-nichts-in-den-akten/

>>32483810
The gun loses a lot of accuracy as it heats up.
Why aren't they going with the 416? Probably because the German military is salty with H&K. They tried suing H&K for failure to live up with the contract, but a judge sided with H&K.

>>32483956
see >>32483973

The entire controversy was cooked up by the defense minister in an attempt to gain political capital.

>build rifle for cold war scenario
>intended to be used in european climat
>Wonder that it works different in the desert

Wew

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>>32483798
>Steyr

The spacegun company strikes again

>>32483973
All that's saying is that the Paratrooper case was not caused by overheating and that the analysis on other battles and operations is still ongoing and will be revealed when the report is published. It says nothing about whether or not the G36 loses accuracy in heat, which it does.

>>32484013
ok
http://www.dw.com/en/heckler-and-koch-vindicated-in-g36-accuracy-row-but-lobbying-concerns-linger/a-18781312

http://www.dw.com/en/heckler-koch-seeks-court-vindication-over-g36-accuracy/a-19298196

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/14/hk-vindicated-no-problems-found-with-g36/

>>32483810
Cheaper parts.
Greater parts compatibility.
Excellent, streamlined design with nothing extraneous.
Works with a massive COTS market.
Design is open-source.

>>32483798
>forward assist
The retard who thought that's a good idea deserves to be beaten to death with a shovel.

>>32484045
Why? It has no fixed bolt handle to do the same job, and there's no good reason to take it off the design, either.

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>>32484036
You should read your own links. The rifle loses accuracy and the government is corrupt. The only positive thing stated in the articles is that the soldiers themselves did not feel it was an issue.
>Tests found that accuracy degradation reached 0.5 meters at a range of 200 meters, and 6 meters at a range of 500 meters

> But even as the champagne corks popped at H&K headquarters in Oberndorf, southwestern Germany, state TV network ARD released details of an internal Defense Ministry report that found "intolerable management behavior" between H&K and the Federal Bureau of Bundeswehr Equipment.

>That government office has for several years kept a test center at the H&K factory in Oberndorf, ostensibly to avoid the safety headache of transporting weapons across the country. ("That's a scandal in itself," said Buchholz.) Now, without naming its sources, or quoting them directly, ARD learned "from government circles" that an internal ministry commission complained of a "lack of professional distance" between the equipment bureau and H&K.

>"It doesn't surprise me," said Christina Deckwirth of the Berlin-based watchdog LobbyControl. "Heckler & Koch has caught our attention often. There are various relationships between Heckler & Koch and the government that are just far too close."

Does this mean we'll be getting G36 parts kits?

Why not just get the 416? Works for the Norwegians(except FSK because of muh colt heavy barrel). Isn't France switching out their Famas for 416's now as well?

>>32484045
>The retard who thought that's a good idea deserves to be beaten to death with a shovel.

Considering a forward assist was still one of the SOCOM requirements for the SCAR (which is met with the reciprocating charging handle), I think they want to keep their potential market as big as possible for this rifle. So that means putting in a forward assist to please everyone. Sure, it's superfluous, but some people want it. And those that don't want it can simply not use it.

Why didn't they just go with the HK416

If you're going to use a meme AR, might as well pick one that already works

>>32483798
>Configurable as an assault rifle, light machine gun or a machine gun

This is going to crash and burn just like every other attempt to make the LMG and the service rifle the same gun.

>A “special surface coating” that allows the gun to work without gun oil

lol

>>32483937
It's groundbreaking the way Nirvana was. Nothing Nirvana did was really new (metal-inspired heaviness, post punk-inspired distortion and dynamic variance, punk angsty lyrics), but they way they combined it became the standard by which 90% of the next decade or two of alternative musicians would attempt to write their shit.

The same goes with the G36. Others had tried integrated optics and ambidextrous operation on a 5.56 assault rifle (Steyr), others had tried polymer frames on a high-durability weapon (Glock), and others had tried stuffing AR-18 guts into an innovative package (the SA-80), but nobody at the time had decided to do all three in the same gun.

The only reason people don't see it as being as innovative as it was is because to this day its development and roll-out was overshadowed by its failed older brother, the G11 and the collective disappointment in the fact that the cold war ended and Germany never got to field their mondo expensivo clockwork spacegun.

>>32483916
Hi anon, this is 2016 calling

Everyone here recognizes that the AR is the best modern rifle platform

>>32484114
>Why didn't they just go with the HK416

Misleading title is misleading. Steyr holds no fucking contract for replacement of anything, they're just doing a bid.

>>32484074
lololol no
They will forever be the price of a downpayment on a house

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>>32483927
>>32483985
there are more than 28 countries using the g36. none of them having this issue. except germany.
it was some political bait shit i believe. to kick out the ministre of defence. she took the bait and now we will lose this godlike assault rifle.


im in the german army. believe me: THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE G36. you can treat it like a bitch, no cleaning, whatever ive never ever had 1 jam with this gun.

pic related my favourite version the G36 A3

>>32483916
this

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>>32484124
Can't say I wanna knock Steyr though, they make my favorite raygun

>>32484013
>It says nothing about whether or not the G36 loses accuracy in heat, which it does.

>which it does.

go home faggot youve never shot this rifle to its limits did you?

>>32484151
>muh anecdote is more trustworthy than official governmental reports

>>32484136
Aren't most of those users police forces? At least that's what it looks like on Wikipedia. Obviously they wont experience problems when their weapons are barely in use.

>>32484124
And HK416s are fucking expensive.

>>32484072
Considering no one else has been able to replicate it and no other country has had an issue, and originated from a Der Spiegel report; I'd be hard pressed to actually believe it.

>>32484072
There was a pretty good documentary on WDR about a gun tester who was bullied out of serivce after he complained not just a few times about various problems with different HK guns.
http://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/die-story/sendungen/gefaehrliche-waffenfreunde-100.html

>>32483956
>>32483937
>>32483916
>G36
>Good looking

Pick one.

>>32484172
Pretty much expectable when your governments in bed with H&K.

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Our very own Meplat cut open a G36 in the USA at the request of a police department and found a melty trunion?

It's possible this issue has been addressed, this was a gen 1 G36C I believe (though I could be wrong).

The plastic around the trunion just warps. This can cause zero shift. The question is how severe this actually is and when it occurs?

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>>32484163
Swedish SF, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Spain, France, Norwegian KJK.
>pic related, guy in the back
>>32484167
No they're not
Civilian prices ≠ government bulk purchases

>>32484045

You're a fucking moron. The forward assist is an absolute must on any AR that is going to get dirty and stay dirty.

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>>32484196

>>32484214
What's wrong with their faces. Are they OK?

>>32484214
Norwegian KJK doesn't use the g36, they tested it because the Norwegian Army was originally supposed to replace their AG3's with G36's. But the Norwegian government went with 416's instead. Except for FSK, they stayed with colt c8cqb/sfw.

I dunno about the other forces, thought the Swedish SOF used 416's as well

>>32484196
Pretty fucking bad, to be honest.
>All it takes is two magazines (60 rounds of ammunition) to heat up the barrel to an extent that "serious accuracy degradation" occurs, the researchers found. At this point, the accuracy degradation can be as severe as 50 centimeters at a range of 200 meters, and a full 6 meters at a range of 500 meters.

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>>32484235
kek
>>32484242

>>32484163
>Obviously they wont experience problems when their weapons are barely in use.

ive used mine like an mg. there is no such problem. its all made up. you can shoot till the barrell turns red and you will hit with this gun

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>>32484254
Hmm, actually didnt know Swedes still use g36, I should probably pay more attention.

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>>32484270
H&K shills on your /k/? It's more likely than you'd think!

>Germany is so cucked that leftists are trying to cuck the Bundeswehr out of everything good by fabricating issues with the G36
or
>Germany is so cucked they can't even make service rifles worth a shit anymore

wtf I miss Hitler now

>>32484566
>now

>paying extra for a piston AR just so you don't have to directly admit the Americans got it right 50 years ago

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ITT
H&K haters basing their hate for the G36 on an article which was based off of information leaked to a newspaper with no credible source vs
Testimonial evidence given by claimed end users with as much validity to their claims as the magazine articles quoted by the other side, this will continue until the thread reaches it's limit.

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>>32486290
see
>>32484196
>>32484230

The cut & analysis was done by someone that used to frequent /k/ & OPchan.

>>32483916
>Have it also be a good rifle that's been the inspiration for the SCAR and every other polymer assault rifle under the sun, a game-changing landmark of a weapon by any and every metric
That would be the AR18. The G36 itself isn't particularly innovative, since the AUG was already doing the Polymer frame/integrated optics/clear proprietary mags meme 20 years prior, while also having what is essentially an inverted triangular AR18 bolt.

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>>32483956
>that picture

Sure is AusbZSpezlOp in here.

>>32483798
>Muh piston

France picks hk416
Germany picks hk416

Euro caliphate army service rifle soon?

>>32483985
H&K has been getting too many attaboy contracts as it is. They had been suffering because German and EU political bullshit so Germany and the US bought the MP7, G28 CSASS, M320 and 416. G28 winning CSASS and M320 replacing m203 were bullshit at their highest level, now the corps is going full 416

>>32483829
Yes, the trunnion was melting, but that has been long fixed. There some other minor issues, but I'm sure they were also ironed out.

>>32484122
It is when it doesn't have a gas piston grafted onto it.

>>32486503
Correct, the gas piston is within it, in the bolt itself.

>>32484136
Most adopters didn't even adopt the rifle only the K or C carbines. Most users have C's, new adopters have KV's. Bundeswehr only adopted K's and the Rifles

>>32484136
Spain has had issues as well. Most countries only adopted the carbines

>>32484196
Was that a G36C or a K?

>>32486525
The carrier is the piston. There's nothing inside of the bolt.

>>32486541
>Was that a G36C or a K?

I think C, but I don't remember that clearly. It's a long time ago.

>>32486553
C's are by and large the most sold. Even with melty trunnion that barrel is too short and light with a smaller profile to make wandering zero an issue like the rifles

>>32484230
Gonna need a picture of an unmelted trunnion to get context here.
So far it just looks like the trunnion had the plastic molded to it.

One thing to keep in mind about all of this regarding HK versus the German government is that there have long been elements in their political system that want to end the existence of arms manufacturers in Germany.
By the view point of some Germans HK is no less of a force of evil than the Schutzstaffel.
It's the same mind set that has nearly destroyed all of Britain's gun makers.

>>32483798

>front sight not all the way forward
>rear sight not all the way back

What is this shit?

>>32486613
>Even with melty trunnion that barrel is too short and light with a smaller profile to make wandering zero an issue like the rifles
Don't embarrass yourself.

>>32486972
Irons are purely a backup thing, and Europeans made that picture

>>32483798
>Tool-less barrel replacement
>Three barrel length options
>Configurable as an assault rifle, light machine gun or a machine gun carbine.
>A “special surface coating” that allows the gun to work without gun oil

why do I feel like I've heard this before?

>>32484148

Are these things actually good?

They are very reasonably priced in Canada, Im a little interested

>>32483798
stupid mountain germans think they can steal HK's deal, lol

Rheinmetal is a good company tho.

>>32487127
Rheinmetal is as german as fucking Mauser.

>>32487138
That's true, which is why I'm surprised they've shat out this piece of garbage.

>>32487380
>they've shat out this piece of garbage.
The firearm in question hasn't been revealed. It hasn't been accepted. It hasn't been trialed. It's just going to be submitted to the bid.

>>32487380
Explain how it's garbage.

As long as it's built by steel, it's gonna be good.

>>32487437
Then what is the OP picture and the picture in the article?
>>32487454
It's a piston AR, thus garbage.

>>32485481
>American tier 1 unit asks Germans for ar15

>>32487562
>Then what is the OP picture and the picture in the article?
The STM556. The article explains this in the very first paragraph.

>>32487562
>It's a piston AR, thus garbage.
Delta, marines, SEAL all use piston AR, buckos.

>>32483829
>Was there ever an actual issue with the G36?
No, the issue is Ursula von der Leyden who is trying to make herself look tough by assfucking H&K.

>>32486972
Someone who has experience past "baby's first operation"

>>32487618
I don't care about them, but SEALs have a legitimate reason to use a piston gun. If it's an AR, then they shouldn't have done that.

>>32487562
>It's a piston AR, thus garbage.


look up what are the pros for piston systems
and then look up what are the pros for direct gas systems.

and then stop being a newfag to guns

>>32487852
Nigger please, there's literally nothing wrong with piston AR.

>>32487853
I know more about this than you do, I promise.

>>32487621
>No, the issue is Ursula von der Leyden who is trying to make herself look tough by assfucking H&K.


FUCKING THIS


its political bullshit. even german soldiers are saying this in interviews

>>32484045
>le FA is useless meme
Fucking rangequeen faggots like you deserve to be beaten to death a shovel.

>>32487862
>Nothing wrong
Carrier tilt is not nothing wrong.

>>32487862
Unless you try to shoot it

>>32487879
I've tried to shoot it, never had a problem with it.

>>32483798
That's too bad. I love the fuck out of it. And, like the FAMAS, it'll never enter the milsurp market.

>Fuck my shit up, sempai

>>32487876
Carrier tilt is a 10 year meme that does not mean shit anymore.

>>32487885
Why do you feel the need to lie on the internet?

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>>32487864
>I know more about this than you do, I promise.


>still says piston systems are crap

mademerespondasecondtime/10

>people actually advocating piston ARs in this thread
Never change anon.
>>32487853
I bet if someone asks you what makes a piston AR better than one with the arrangement it was designed for you'll say it's more reliable or some shit, lmao.

>>32487915
I don't tho, used the 416 as a conscript and later during work.

>>32487999
Delta, Marines & SEAL advocate for piston AR.

The french and norwegian (vikings) already switch to piston AR too.

>>32487618
416s aren't piston ARs.

>>32488005
Do you speak english?

>>32488003
That's not a piston AR, jesus christ.

>>32488025
Then I'm retarded

>>32488005
No they don't.

>>32488009
If it ain't a piston AR, then whatever Rheinmetal does isn't piston AR either.
>>32488021
Do you?

>>32488041
See Larry Vickers.

>>32488064
>If it ain't a piston AR
It isn't, so stop being fucking retarded and acting like it is and that branches adopting it means piston-equipped ARs are just fine, moron.

>>32488076
If so, what's the problem with whatever Rheinmetal is proposing, since it's also not a piston AR?

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>>32483798
Why not just AUG?
I guess this costs half as much
AUG is the only gun cool enough to replace the G36 tho

>>32488091
Maybe there isn't a problem you illiterate retard, I hope there isn't so maybe you won't have issues telling a fucking M416 apart from some nigger tier bullshit like an Adams Arms AR. Fucking Friday night retards.

>>32488069
>unironically telling someone to refer to Larry Snickers

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Fun facts:
-There were rumours of an alternative variant with a steel connection between optics and barrel.
-The shorter the barrel, the smaller the influence of its weight on the alignment of the barrel against the optics.
-Even if there is/was a metal connection, the plastic handguard and receiver works as a pretty effective insulator, thereby increasing heat problems all by itself. That's physics so basic it should be obvious without testing.
-The stock barrel is also rather lightweight, thereby... you guessed it.

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>>32488113
M416

>itt; a bunch of clueless noguns yell at one another
Just your average /k/ thread

>>32483829
The service period of the G36 is about to end anyways, they are obligued to get new rifles. However, it doesn't sell well in German public if you announce to throw away thousands of perfectly fine rifles to get new ones for millions of euros. So they said that they were just bad.

I for my part want them to use a 7.62mm G36. Not a fan of the 5.56 idea.

>Considered
>A german piston AR(-lookalike)
>A german/american piston AR(-lookalike)
>A german/austrian piston AR(-lookalike)
You brought this upon the world of firearms, americlaps.

>>32488193
5.56 is Nato standard tho. Same reason why Norway had to switch out their sexy AG3's for 416's

>>32487621
>assfucking HK by buying the next 500.000 german army rifles also from HK

>>32483798
yep, germany totally gonna buy a non complete german produced rifle for its army

>>32488205
Tfw American and the only american gun I own is a 10/22
AUG rule
Bullpups are the future

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>>32488397

>>32487895
It will never not mean shit. It's impossible to fix without just making a gun that isn't an AR.

>>32488005
>Delta, Marines & SEAL advocate for piston AR.
They are not engineers, so I don't care.

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>>32488439

>>32488107
The rifle on OPs picture is basically an AUG, just with an AR makeover

>>32488458
>soldiers aren't experts on guns
I hope it really activated your almonds.

>>32488429
>is it a problme
no
>does the carrier physically tilt
no
>is carrier tilt a problem in the countless of guns that has off axis recoil/piston
no
its only a problem in shitty US wallmart drop in kits

>>32488521
>is it a problme
Yes
>does the carrier physically tilt
Of course it does, stupid
>is carrier tilt a problem in the countless of guns that has off axis recoil/piston
It is impossible to eliminate, especially when you keep the AR essentially unchanged as every piston AR does. They keep the upper receiver that has no rails, the bolt carrier with no rails, the bolt with many small lugs.

>>32488545
>Of course it does, stupid
you know you can just physically prevent it from tilting right?
and that the materials will handle the miniscule stresses easily

>when you keep the AR essentially unchanged as every piston AR does
which every us made shitty drop in kit does, and every properly designed piston AR doesnt

>>32488623
>you know you can just physically prevent it from tilting right?
Literally impossible. The off axis impulse will always create a moment in the carrier.
>and that the materials will handle the miniscule stresses easily
Bolt life in pistons guns is going to be less than an otherwise identical gun with the Stoner system.
>which every us made shitty drop in kit does, and every properly designed piston AR doesnt
Way to ignore the second sentence that tells you exactly what they don't do and you can easily confirm that your precious HK 416 or Rheinmetall shit doesn't, either.

You're a European, aren't you?

>>32488674
>>32488429
>>32488545
You sound like the kind of fudd that doesn't recognize 1911s with external extractors

>>32488005

the SEALs and Delta (the man himself, Vickers, who had a hand in the design, says this explicitly) advocated for a piston AR due to MARITIME specific issues and issues pertaining to running a very short barrel.

It has nothing to do with so called reliability issues as much as the kids who learned about firearms from counter strike and read ogre's AR15 article 10 years ago so they think they are experts want you to believe

Case in point, almost everyone in the world of SOF still uses M4 carbines and have done for 20+ years, and were using M16s and CAR-15s before that.

You have no clue what the french use either, so shut the fuck up. In actuality, the french have retarded equipment stores (their SOF units and many kind-of-sort-of-but-not-really SOF units run the gamut: M4s, G36s, SG552s, HK416s, SCARs theyve even got and use a few italian rifles, quite frequently this mix and match behavior is seen even in the same units)

the norwegians switched to HK416s because it was cheaper for them to do so with license production from HK than it was to strike up a new business relationship.

Half the issues in the world of military procurement are not WHATS DA BEST OF DA BEST as nerds are so want to argue over, but rather a matter of business deals. Case in point most of the systems that come under contention are pretty damn similar, and the reason ~ahead of its time~ systems almost never get adopted is because the supplier is usually a small company who lacks the capability to meet the requirements of a military

>>32484136


say germany what happend to the xm8??

oh yeah LOL

MELTY AUTOMATIC 9000

>>32488674
>You're a European, aren't you?
yes, and I've used the 416 and diemacos extensively.
expectedbolt life of the HK is just short of twice of the diemacos, 10k to 6ishK
the bolts always develop cracks in the same lug, the one next to the extractor for obvious reasons.
theres no different wear in the reciever or buffer tube

>>32488742
What are you memeing about now? The XM8 never melted, it just wasn't outstanding enough to be worth the cost of replacing every M16/M4 in US army inventory.

>>32484074
No, Cuckmoney doesn't sell weapons to Americans.

Both due to their government at home, and the American government slightly.

>>32488840
>American government slightly.
pls anon. the only reason you dont get guns are your own government.
fucking canucks can buy the civie g36 and the newer mr223s

>>32486546
The carrier is the cylinder, the bolt is the piston.

The system requires fine adjustment of buffer weights to function 100% in all conditions, not a problem as the buffer weights for various systems are already known (carbine, H, H2, H3, etc.)

The system also does not automatically adjust to having a suppressor attached.

lol at this thread, you fucking retards

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Glorious Upper Austrian products

t. Upper Austrian

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>>32488478
No bro, the AUG has a rather unique build. No individual parts are revolutionary but the design was definitely built from the getgo to be bullpup

>>32488136
aluminum upper G36 when?

>>32483798
Germany will never let H&K sinks by not adopting one of their weapons, ever. Especially not in those times where the government is under fire for crashing the economy with their refugees bullshit.

>>32484122
>best modern rifle platform

For poorfags who want to play dress up.

>>32483798

>replacing a 5.56 rifle
>with another 5.56 rifle

Well done Germany. You are going max retard.

>>32483985

>company fucks you over
>why won't you buy from that company again?

Small arms are insanely prolific and easy to come by. They literally have a thousand other arms dealers to pick from.

That's why BAE and the likes moved to other areas and bought out ports and drydocks so you don't have an option but to involve them.

Arms dealers are fucking scum when it comes to national procurement. As proven by every post 1940s program.

>>32484214
>>32484235

Thats french GCP which is one of their many SOF-lite units that arent even in SOF yet for some reason they blur their faces despite not even having a secret security clearance lol.

France is actually pretty on top of keeping military affairs under wraps for the most part, unlike some countries. For example, a lot of american documentaries will show training footage of combat drills and specialist equipment and what not, in french military this is big no no, most documentaries will focus instead on the personal lives of its interviewees and their families.

That picture might even be foreign legion's GCP in 2REP iirc

>>32492204
It kills idea of cheap plastic rifle made by injection molding.

>>32488691
The difference is the external extractor is actually superior. If I sound like a fudd it's probably because you don't know anything about engineering.

>>32488879
>The carrier is the cylinder, the bolt is the piston.
People keep saying this and I have to wonder if it's because they don't know what a piston is. Pistons move, dude, the bolt doesn't move itself.

>>32484172
He was just bitching because he was a poorfag :^3

>>32492694
the part thats moving is relative, the piston goes inside the cylinder, thats what defines the parts.
the part that moves doesnt matter

>>32492724
Please look up the definition of the word piston.

>The new RS556 looks like a US-American weapon, but is the further development of the Steyr-Sturmgewehr 77.

Steyr-Sturmgewehr 77?

>>32492731
austrian designation of aug

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>>32492731
>Steyr-Sturmgewehr 77?

AUG is named Stg77 in Austria.

>>32492737
>>32492740
Oh thanks.

>>32492730
>a sliding piece moved by or moving against fluid pressure which usually consists of a short cylindrical body fitting within a cylindrical chamber or vessel along which it moves back and forth

>>32492759
>A sliding piece
The bolt doesn't impart motion to itself, the carrier does. Ergo, carrier is the piston.

>>32492769
id you have it that backwards what which part of the gun is the cylinder?

>>32488364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_multilateral_defence_procurement#Products

The translated article has all kinds of google translate tier mistakes and the original author obviously is a nogunz with no experience in the matter

I've sent them an improved version which also has some of the facts corrected, let's see if they accept it

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M A N L I C K E R

>>32483798
Yeah nah, I don't see it unless they fall into bait. That overheating problem can by changing the thickness of the barrel profile. They don't need to waste several million euros and resources for training a new rifle when they can simply change the barrel profile

>>32484074
>Does this mean we'll be getting G36 parts kits
That depends, I know Hkparts got their hands on a small supply. They still have the XM8 conversions for sale. It can be very possible for them to acquire another larger batch of parts kit conversions

>>32487562
No no no. Piston AR CONVERSIONS== Garbage because you are using a system where the upper wasn't designed for. A Piston AR UPPER or rifle work just as fine as any rifle without issues since it was designed for the piston. Get your stuff right anon

>>32486290
>drinking Öttinger
Fucking disgusting

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>>32492935
>>32492731
>>32492740
So they are selling it as a not-bullpup AUG?

>>32483916
>groundbreaking
It's a AR18 wrapped in a plastic body...

>Aesthetic
Perhaps the G36K, but I was never a fan of the huge carry handle and built in optic on the standard G36

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>>32483798
I don't know why but for some reason I can see a butthurt Larry Vickers about to post a 6 paragraph long tirade on FB in the near future

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>>32492935
>AUG gas system
>AUG aesthetic muzzle device
>Dat fore end
>AUG A2 pic optic
>billet upper receiver
>mated to an AR15

I need this in my life for some reason!

so its literally an AUG except in the AR format

thats actually a great idea

>>32488025
>416
>That's not a piston AR, jesus christ.

nigga wat?

you must be trolling

>>32488742
wut? as far as i know another company (i think it was colt) went to court trying to bring a lawsuit up that says: hurrdurr no non-american service rifle for american military

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>>32489571
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>>32484122
>Everyone here recognizes that the AR is the best modern rifle platform

>recognizes that the AR is the best modern rifle platform

> AR is the best modern rifle platform

>AR best rifle platform

nope

no folding stock

ejection port leaves enough space that dirt comes in

not the best for military use thats for sure

>>32492306
this

france got their own media corp in the army, if yo uwant image or video of the french army yo uwill only get media approved picture/videos or them

or you could get leaked helmet camera from random soldiers

>>32493548
>>32493520
>>32493495
I need you to kill yourself right fucking now.

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>>32489571

Had to do it

>>32493548
>ejection port leaves enough space for dirt that comes in
Nice meme

>>32483798
If they want an AR why not go with the HK416? Are they jewing out H&K?

>>32493548
>being this obvious noguns

>>32487116
Hickok and life-size potato love the gun

>>32484242
KJK did use the G36, might have transitioned to the 416 completely now, i dunno. But at late as 2012-2013 they used them operationally at least.

>>32493548
>no folding stock
>ejection port leaves enough space that dirt comes in
The amount of noguns in this thread is astounding.

>>32493882
So you think HK should just get a no bid contract? Or do you just have problems with reading comprehension and don't understand that all the article is saying is that Steyr and Rheinmetall are going to put forward a rifle design for the possible replacement tender? Nothing has actually been chosen. It isn't even clear if the tender is going to amount to anything.

>top charging
>non-folding stock
>no recoil negation system
>no empty-mag-eject
>no fresh-mag-closes-bolt
DEAD
ON
ARRIVAL

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>>32493548
>>32488025
>>32488397

Gentleman, I present Autism: the thread

>>32492957
I can't think of a piston AR that actually adds rails to the upper and the bolt carrier. Please go learn some shit.

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>>32492957
>Piston AR CONVERSIONS== Garbage because you are using a system where the upper wasn't designed for. A Piston AR UPPER or rifle work just as fine as any rifle without issues
This fucking thread mang.

>>32494380
>empty mag eject
Why would you need this feature?

>>32484074
LOL no

They will be sold off to africa, Latin America, seasia, or turned into regarding.

The age of milsurp is over.

>>32484136
German rifles are built to a lower standard than export rifles.

The g36 was a cheap stopgap during reunification. Problem is that germany went Full Sweden. Instead of staying awesome West German.

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>>32483956
never liked the G36. its literally plastick shit you cant use as a tool in a fight.

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>>32494380
>empty mag eject
>fresh mag bolt close
Then by that criteria there is only one gun in 5.556 that meets these needs

The new gun should look more like very solide and strong bumm stick with optional optics and not a fucking collection of plastic parts with electronics which soldier will drop away after 2 weeks in the field.

dont know why but even here russians did it better than Germany.

>>32486492
>Yes, the trunnion was melting, but that has been long fixed. There some other minor issues, but I'm sure they were also ironed out.

People say this about guns a lot, but I do have to wonder.

Most of the FAMAS's problems were fixed like twenty years ago with the G2 version, but they only bought a handful of them, and only for the Navy, and made everyone else stick with the old ones.

When they fixed the G36, did they actually recall all of them and fix/replace them?

>>32483798
Is the AR15 now the most copied platform or is that still the AK?

>>32494797
>When they fixed the G36, did they actually recall all of them and fix/replace them?
That I do not know. I honestly wouldn't put it past a military to ignore a fix for an issue with the guns, but for something as serious as a melting trunnion? It's a good question, for sure.

>>32494815
Ar15, counting all the American civilian market copies.

>>32494594
>you cant use as a tool in a fight
What kind of tool?
Have you ever being issued one?

>>32483956
>50 centimeters at a range of 200 meters, and a full 6 meters at a range of 500 meters

What is the G28?
What is the G22?
What is the G82?
What is the G29?
What is the Luftwaffe?
What is artillery support?

>>32495485
>Dang, my rifle's shit
>Better call an air strike

>>32495633
>can't hit that window 200m away after spraying two mags on full auto
>hey Gefreiter Speer, put your MG5/DMR to good use

>>32493548
>no folding stock

What is LawTactical Folding Stock Adapter?