http://www.war-doll.com/single-post /2016/12/22/The-Security

It's obviously not true at all, noone is mobilized and ready for an invasion like that

Even small pockets of defenses could delay their forces for days

Obviously it is correct in that Europe doesn't have armies anymore and are totally incapable of defending themselves, and their population is far too old to fight + the huge fifth columns of shitskins will be a problem.

>>32476103
First:
Why on Earth they would do that?
Second:
Article V.

>>32476139
I think it's more of a hypothetical situation. There's no reason it would happen even if things are being made to look bleak.

>>32476103
Maybe, but how would they hold it all if they stormed clear through to the other side of Spain in under three days?

It's sort of like streaking across a football field. It's not ever even if you reach the other side.

>>32476198
>It's not over even if you reach the other side.

As soon as you get a foot on France you get uranium enriched, that's our doctrine

Ridiculous.

70,000+ Russian soldiers couldn't overrun 3,000 square miles of Georgia in five days.

>>32476255
>As soon as you get a foot on France you get white flags and french bitches begging you foreigners to put it in their butt
ftfy

>>32476133
>Obviously it is correct in that Europe doesn't have armies anymore

I wonder if you're trying to make a really obvious joke or if you actually are that stupid

>>32476103
Intel would have us ready, so not true.

Also look what was achieved and how much was tied up by a few guys hiding out in forests in WW2. Against the entire of Europe they'd get held off long/forced back enough for the rest of the world to turn on them and demolish them

>>32476275
>Intel would have us ready, so not true.
Because it predicted Crimea and Russian involvement in Syria wasn't a surprise.

Russia's has shown no ability to do force projection beyond immediate neighbors or bombing runs that literally anyone with a jet and a ally in the area willing to let you use their base can. The idea they can manage to beat several countries of nigh equal military spending being a sure thing is ridiculous, in a literal blitz is even more so.

>>32476310
How do you know the US wasn't aware that Crimea was looking at an imminent invasion?

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>>32476313
>meme projection

>>32476310
The size of those forces, a major factor in how hard they are to spot, is radically smaller then what the Russian Federation would need to wage a actual war with every nation West of it up to the sea.

>>32476318
Because US still is not aware, that Crimea is a Russian territory, lol.

>>32476339
You don't have English as a second language by any chance

>>32476327
>Power projection
>Domestic military exercises

I think both you and the creator of that graphic don't know what power projection is.

>>32476313
>The idea they can manage to beat several countries of nigh equal military spending being a sure thing is ridiculous, in a literal blitz is even more so.
How many helicopters does germany have?
How willing to fight is the average german?

>>32476318
Because of the butthurt on /k/ when Russia took Crimea from Hillary and Co.

>>32476327
The difference between holding a exercise and supplying logistics for a extended war are radically different.

Try again when the roads are bombed to hell and your supply lines get attacked by enemy combatants.

This ignores the fact most of what you've showed takes place within Russia itself.

>>32476359
Believe it or not /k/ isn't privy to what the US military knows.

>>32476354
The "Average German" doesn't need to fight because they have a active military which has already taken those willing to fight.

Not to mention the war won't just be Russia fighting every nation in a 1 on 1 till it gets to the UK, if Russia invades, every European nation is gonna send their forces to the front, so while Russia has Germany beat slightly less then twice in military expenditure, they're only slightly more then France or the UK alone, when all three of the above are gonna be fighting Russia at once.

>>32476310
The US knew the invasion of Crimea could happen imminently.
In fact, when Russian soldiers (sans ID, a war crime) showed up pointing guns at Ukrainian soldiers, the US told the Ukrainians to stand down, understanding it as foreign пpoвoкaция, and not locals.

When Russia starts massing troops on the European border, everyone notices. In order to effectively attack Europe, Russia would need a substantially larger number of people in the "exercise" than it has done previously. It wouldn't be possible to explain it away, and readiness would increase as a result.

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>>32476393
>they have a active military
An active military with how many helicopters?

>how possible is this?

Not at all. The BRIXMIS estimate (considered the more accurate of western Cold War estimates, because the moronic CIA weren't involved) had the Red Army reaching Calais in a week with the use of nuclear weapons. This would be comprised of 3rd Shock Army up the middle, then a large supporting hook through Denmark by the Polish. All of the above was a best case scenario, and prior to 1980. After 1980 it became apparent that the Soviet Union had developed serious problems and would struggle to keep momentum up in that case.

Since then, the Red Army is no more. Russia has proved far more capable than it was in the 1990s, but it simply does not have the power to undertake such an operation. It wouldn't matter if there was no NATO presence in Europe, it doesn't have the reach. The bridge-laying capacity isn't there, nor are their amphibious forces up to scratch. The support they would have got from the Eastern Bloc nations, particularly Czechoslovakia and Poland, would have allowed them a decent head start. They don't have that. They have Belarus, and that's about it.

If Russia were to attempt an invasion of continental Europe it would run into serious issues, even if it were to do so virtually unopposed. Are there serious issues with EU nations and their militaries? Yes, absolutely. But they've made a fair estimate - the Russians don't have the eyes or the stomach for heading west.

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>>32476360
>supplying logistics for a extended war
You mean, like they are supplying a half of fucking Syrian army? European part of Russia and Europe itself has a nice roads.
Try to bomb columns and organize resistance, when your communication are under heavy jamming, special forces wrecking your HQs and civilians are panicking, because light, internet and civilian means of communication are shut down. You will be busy with organization of evacuation of civvies more than fighting with Russians.

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>Russia would overrun Europe in about 60 hours.

>270,000 Russians vs

>120,000 British
>112,000 French
>100,000 Poles
>100,000 Italians
>67,000 US EUCOM
>60,000 Germans
>26,000 Austrians
>22,000 Czechs

>>32476103
>Ignoring the fact that this was written by a leaf, how possible is this?
It's not. Read the RAND document this moron is citing:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html
>Across multiple games using a wide range of expert participants in and out of uniform playing both sides, the longest it has taken Russian forces to reach the outskirts of the Estonian and/or Latvian capitals of Tallinn and Riga, respectively, is 60 hours.

Russia in full mobilization could capture the capitals of Estonia and Latvia in 60 hours, not overrun europe.

>>32476464
Half a billion people live in Europe. It's a vast place. The British might be leaving but they've still got 25,000 troops in Germany (along with the thousands of Americans) that, if attacked, would potentially spark WW3.

It's not just a case of kicking Germany about and putting the shits up Switzerland, the US and British presence in Germany alone is enough to put the Russians off.

>>32476268
Ebin /b/ro x)

>Gulf War
>a year of preparation and planning
>weeks of bombings
>ground campaign ends after 100 hours
>one country
But Russia can overrun a continent in 60 hours

The guy that wrote that should be fucking shot

>>32476486
Holy shit that entire article is based on the fact the retarded author didn't read his source?

>>32476493
Yes.

There are some extremely clever people who work as defence analysts and in the military intelligence business.

The author is not one of them.

>>32476393
>German military

They fail to reach their own very low recruitment target each year. Even after they lower it further they still fail to meet it.

>Germany
>Military

>>32476393
>they have a active military which has already taken those willing to fight.

Lol

They have to use broomsticks during drills and their guns are wildly inaccurate. Germany would fold in an instant and welcome Russian troops with the same love they have for refugees.

>>32476476
>>Russia would overrun Europe in about 60 hours.
Original materials was about 60h victory in Balt states.
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1200/RR1253/RAND_RR1253.pdf

>>32476493
Shocker, some rando on the internet spouting insane claims is full of shit.

I'm more surprised I was the first one to actually look at his cited RAND study - I don't even think he read it I am fairly certain he just misread the abstract and went to write some trite bullshit blog to sell t-shirts.

>>32476464
>You mean, like they are supplying a half of fucking Syrian army?
Sending munitions to already engaged parties at your own pace =! being able to independently supply expeditionary maneuvers across Europe at breakneck tempo against an enemy capable of interdicting anything, anywhere.

>>32476443
Total numbers mean nothing, out off Russias 400 helicopters, how many can they afford to keep in service 1,500 kms out of boarder? Where as all European forces can send their more limited numerical stuff completely through friendly territory.

>>32476133
>32476133
yes, because the 5th column muslims would be such allies of the russians, with

>>32476456
>Czechoslovakia
>doesn't exist

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>>32476476
Does Finland not get in on the fight?

>>32476540
When referring to something that would have happened in the past, like the Soviet Union going west, it's not incorrect to refer to the nations they would have received support from as opposed to the ones they split into after the fact.

>>32476103

wtf is this garbage

The author is either retarded or being entirely dishonest

Take the RAND citation for example, a paper on the Baltic states alone not Europe! And a report that also criticises THE US as also not being prepared!

>>32476103
They'll get stuck in Sweden like they did in Afghanistan, getting shot at by the same Muslims and still funded by the United States and end up collapsing.

>>32476354
>How willing to fight is the average german?

I want this bullshit myth gone that people were more willing to fight back in the day.
If your own country is threatened most men are willing to fight - and if you don't fight for your country you still want to defined your family and your property.

>>32476546
Finland is not NATO because they chose to.

Finland is also not European because they're Mongols.

>>32476571
>If your own country is threatened most men are willing to fight - and if you don't fight for your country you still want to defined your family and your property.
Have you been to germany in the past 10 years?

>>32476571
But Americans have read articles on Fox about refugees so that makes them experts on Europe.

They are extremely angry that Berlin, Koln, Freiburg, Dusseldorf, Bonn and Munich are not the safe white paradises that Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Detroit and Washington are. After all, Americans didn't flee those towns and stood and fought for them.

>>32476546
Finland ain't in NATO

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>>32476572
So Finland joins the Russian Asiatic hordes and rushes over the border into Sweden? I can work with that.

>>32476605
No, but Finland is between Russia and NATO.

>>32476603
I see what you did there

>>32476613
Finland doesn't need to do anything.

Why, if Russia was invading NATO, would they open a second front by attacking neutral countries?

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>>32476623
Baltic sea power projection, Åland and Finland being very much NATO leaning, to the point where it has standardised many of its military functions and takes part in NATO excercises abroad. Nevermind Finland itself hosting US troops in excercises, it's clear on whose side Finland would fight if it came to it.

>>32476623
Norway?

>>32476590
I travel to Germany several times a year and it's laughable to think that all of Germany is filled with cucks and refugees.
Most males younger than 45 went still through conscription and they know very well how the Russians would treat them if the country is conquered.

>>32476267
except there was like 10-15 k and they did it

>>32476507
>>32476511
Germany isn't exactly the best military out there, but they need to be when France, and the UK can get there through friendly territory before Russia can get through the contested Ukraine and outright enemy force of Poland, so German inadequacy won't matter as much as they'll have more competent help.

Not to mention the broom incident was with a command vehicle that is normally unarmed anyway, so I'm fairly certain it was either cheating on the Germans end to make it look like they have more guns, or just camouflage so it doesn't stick out compared to non-command variants with Machine guns.

>>32476489
We aren't leaving Europe, we are leaving the European Union (a political construct)

>>32476684
But anon - the incident with the broomhandles is proof that the German military only consists of 100 men, two tanks and one working helicopter.
After all who needs to do some research on the current status if you can get some opinions on /k/.

>>32476695
Even assuming the worst realistic break down of relationships, the UK would still probably help out the European force here just because a salty EU is still gonna be much more preferable then fucking Russia a channel away.

>>32476711
Europe are still our bros lots of people just don't like Brussels controlling policy here

>>32476749
Eh, I think Brexit was a mistake due to the fact if you'd want to trade with Europe, you'd still have to follow those policies anyway, but I can at least see where the sentiment is coming from and totally understand dissatisfaction with it.

>>32476749
>Brussels controlling policy
There's a lot (a majority) they don't have a hand in and the stuff they do have a hand in....well we (Britain) helped write it anyway.

>>32476500
>what is stratfor
>and saic
>and booz allen hamilton
>and on and on
I wouldn't be so sure of that.

I'm not knocking Rand or real think-tanks at all, but most security and intelligence contractors are fucking full of shit. I worked for SAIC for two years.

>>32476637
Nowadays everyone takes part in everyone elses military exercises.

Just this year the Russians were training with the Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Vietnam etc - all countries which kinda hate each other.

>>32476419
Why did you feel the need to mention war crime?

Norman Schwarzkopf's daddy was the US General in charge of training Iran's SAVAK (secret police) when the Pahlavi was in power. They learned totally not criminal things like torturing dissidents, kidnapping political rivals and other dirty un-American, Godless things like that.

this isn't about tit for tat, this is the fact that all nations, especially America, does some dirty, dirty shit in the name of the US Taxpayer.

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>>32476797
Yeah, except Finland is not training with Russia, at all.

No, it's absolute rubbish. I mean, use some common sense. 60 hours?
However, Russians do have a serious military and huge manpower (with at least basic training) and material reserves. European militaries on the other hand are mostly joke.
In case of war, Russians would run wild until American reinforcements come.

>>32476327
Then we look at the gulf war where NATO could muster 700000 troops.
Russia has ever only done simple mobilization exercises where they round up conscripts for prostitution and rape.

>>32476813
Over the span of several months and that was mostly Americans. NATO as NATO is Americans, French, British and maybe Poles.
>muh raped conscripts
Yeah, Russia is perpetually stuck in 90's.

>>32476710
The marine helicopters are not allowed to fly over water.

Of the 25 strong NH90 fleet only 5 can fly.

Only 29 aircraft of the entire Luftwaffe can fly.

Tornados are not allowed to fly during night.

No drones are available to basic recon.

The tank force is down to 150 working Leo 2s.

You're welcome.

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>>32476855
>less working equipment than the FDF

>>32476849
http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/15-02-2007/87441-army_prostitute-0/

>>32476805
You're missing out on something. Different countries dont exercise together because it's fun and the alcohol afterwards is good, they do it to see each others capabilities and how they operate.

You sure you're neutral and not a Nato member in disguise?

>>32476876
>2007
>news article
Okay.

>>32476866
This is your brain on war guilt.

Never do war guilt - just say no.

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>>32476883
>You sure you're neutral and not a Nato member in disguise?
Totally neutral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t8Lsy49fOQ

>>32476139
>article V

Better fucking hope they decide to do it before Trump decides NATO isn't worth America's time anymore, and ruins the single greatest deterrent to war after nuclear weapons.

But I forget, this is /k/ where the majority of the retards around here think using nuclear weapons is a good idea.

>>32476907
It's got nothing to do with that, Germans on both sides had a pretty good military during Cold War.

>>32476855
I'm not saying the German army couldn't be in much better shape - but they are aware that they need to invest more money and they are buying more helicopters, tanks, planes and drones.

>>32476912
>But I forget, this is /k/ where the majority of the retards around here think using nuclear weapons is a good idea.

It is when compared with the alternative of not using them.

>>32476918
It's almost as if the Cold War was an impetus for both Germanies to have a proper army, since they'd be the front lines if SHTF.

>>32476500
>there are some extremely clever people who work as defense analysts and in the military intelligence business

If by "work" you mean contract, yes. DoD employees are fucking useless and suck at their jobs, no exceptions. I'm not exaggerating.

>>32476945
Exactly. Since 90's they cut spending because they no longer needed it. Probably a mistake but it has nothing to do with guilt.

>>32476255
>forgetting polan

>>32476938
>muh more lives saved misinformation
No, it's not. MAD isn't a meme. MAD is how governments actually think. Why do you think Russia has threatened war every time we put an ICBM defense system near them? Why do you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was actually a crisis?

>>32476912

I hope Trump suspends USA's prticipation in NATO.

>>32476995
I hope he doesn't.

>>32477010

Europe contributes jack shit to their own defense.

>>32476995
No problem, Germany, Poland and Italy get some nukes and the USA isn't needed any more.

>>32476464
>You mean, like they are supplying a half of fucking Syrian army?

Supply lines in permissive environments from nearby bases is easy. The supplies for the Syrian Army are not lavish or they'd be winning much faster. Russia is on a budget.

Gone is nearly all the Soviet Navy which would have been dedicated to sinking resupply from the US and Canade.

Gone is any serious threat to the NATO aerial resupply and reinforcement across the Atlantic.

REFORGER exercises were no joke and the US has decades of global deployment practice.

CONUS Air Force units can deploy in days. If needed a fighter squadron can be loaded ready to deploy in one 12-hour shift and if tanker support allows launch the next morning. It can take a bit longer in peacetime (safety, paperwork, convenience) but not much. All US Air Force assets can mobilize simultaneously of course and make their way to eastern seaboard bases en route to England. Strategic bombers could launch immediately from CONUS to fly strikes then rearm in England or elsewhere. If Iceland were amenable the former base at Keflavik could be reactivated in days from bare base status.

I do like Trump scaring NATO though. NATO should never have drawn down after the Cold War but reorganized and re-equipped instead. Serious deterrence requires massive conventional force along with a credible nuclear triad.

>>32477031
>the memes
Compared to the U.S., no one does. Compared to the rest of the world. Europe does just fine.

And I'm sure the only reason U.S. military spending is so high is because of our selflessness in defending our European partners. Tell me what other bullshit you actually believe.

>>32476934
Equipment will promptly fall into maintainance issues forcing the Bw and Lw to ground them and put them into some depot where they will rot away. Or if they're lucky sell them to some Middle Eastern dictatorship.

>>32476981

Note nothing in your post argues against my point.

>No, it's not. MAD isn't a meme. MAD is how governments actually think.

This was not stated.

>Why do you think Russia has threatened war every time we put an ICBM defense system near them?

I can't pretend to know why Russia does, but reasonably you can assume:

1. Political posturing.
2. This does undermine their deterrent.

>Why do you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was actually a crisis?

1. Because the Russian military fucked up massively without consulting the Russian foreign/diplomatic office. They realised a line had been crossed.
2. America's trust in Russia had been betrayed in addition to the serious issue of being able to deliver Russian warheads straight into the heartland of America.

But there's more to it then that.

>>32476952
Many "analysts" are just stealth salesmen who write shit to favor their pet programs. You know this but much of /k/ including many vets are naive about how rivalry-ridden procurement is.

>>32476218
wait that's not how handegg works right?

>>32476956
Schools in Germany are receiving state sponsored peace prices for not letting soldiers enter.

Soldiers who dare to walk in public with their uniform are getting spit on.

The actual disbanding of the Germany military is supported by a political party getting 15 % of the electorate.

There's an actual movement which demands the abolishing of Germany.

>>32477110
Things I've read on Breitbart...

>>32477110
The West needs more terrorist attacks, like an IS WMD strike in Europe and US simultaneously.

>>32477130
Let it run through a translation program. It's an officer voicing his butthurt on a large mainstream news site.
http://www.zeit.de/2013/48/soldaten-deutschland

>>32477083
>it is when compared with the alternative of not using them

Mutually Assured Destruction is not some boogey-man propaganda made up to scare away anti-nuclear activists. There is no benefit to using nuclear weapons against a nation that also has nuclear weapons, unless you can absolutely ensure they can't respond.

The Russians have always threatened war when we try to install anti-ICBM defense systems near them because it removes their capability to respond to our nuclear threat with their own. That is the primary reason.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was actually a crisis because the missiles being that close removed our capability to respond to them in a timely manner. Russian ICBM's could already hit all of our important infrastructure--D.C. has never given a shit about America's "heartland".

>>32476103
Idiot, last report from NATO tactical command in the Baltic, gave a estimate time of 60 hours for Russia to reach RIGA (Estonia) besides, Russia doesn't have a functioning large expeditionary force.

In other words: Bullshit

>>32477151
A single officer is butthurt that he doesn't get free coffee and isn't permanently thanked for his service.

Sure, the Bundeswehr isn't as popular as the Marines - but I walked around in uniform just fine.

>>32477156

Listen buddy, I don't know what your issue is, but you seem to think I'm saying things that I'm actually not.

>Mutually Assured Destruction is not some boogey-man propaganda made up to scare away anti-nuclear activists.

Agreed.

>There is no benefit to using nuclear weapons against a nation that also has nuclear weapons, unless you can absolutely ensure they can't respond.

There certainly is, but that's situational. There's countless reasons why you'd employ nuclear weapons. Same with any weapon.

And you will never be absolutely sure that they cannot respond.

>The Russians have always threatened war when we try to install anti-ICBM defense systems near them because it removes their capability to respond to our nuclear threat with their own. That is the primary reason.

Again, we're in agreement.

>The Cuban Missile Crisis was actually a crisis because the missiles being that close removed our capability to respond to them in a timely manner. Russian ICBM's could already hit all of our important infrastructure--D.C. has never given a shit about America's "heartland".

I've already said that their are other reasons, but I did not list them because I've got the feeling that you're arguing for the sake.

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>>32477031
It would still be beneficial for the United States to have bases it Europe though. If we weren't in NATO it would be difficult for the US to maintain its presence in Europe and the Mediterranean.

>>32476777
Can confirm. I live in DC and know a lot of people working for Booz as well as DARPA. They're not as clever as you might think.

I tutored a girl in math who now works for Booz and she couldn't wrap her head around basic calculus. She now earns
Double what I do in a year. I guess karmas a bitch, I'm a bitter asshole whereas she schmoozed her way to a decent paying job

>inb4 formatting sorry my laptops downstairs

>conscription army
>good

Aside from that, why would I bother reading some chucklefuck's blog post about a war that will never happen because it would rapidly go nuclear? I'm not even going to check if he's on the Soros take, he's full of shit.

Russia's maneuvers are because of the Israelis. I'll extrapolate: Israelis are fucking up/with Syria and Iran, Russia's allies, and the neocon lobby in DC has been pushing for a literal war with Russia for the past three years to the point they were doing the same saber-rattling we saw prior to Iraq, claiming Russia could invade, they could nuke London in 10 minutes, they're going to take over the Middle East, etc. etc. This rhetoric dumps like sewage run-off into European military circles, who honestly believe it because they've not been in a real fucking war in 71 years. That leads to NATO monkeys saying really dumb shit, like expressing desires to put brigades in Ukraine and stave off Russian aggression because they won't let gay people fuck or some such. This leads to Russian exercises on the border. Which then, of course, leads to more neocon scaremongering. And all of this just because Israel wants to swing its chopped dick around and not be threatened by militarily-capable Muslim powers.

Not to bring up old hat election shit, but look up who was surrounding HRC and echoing her calls for a no-fly zone in Syria, a no-fly zone which would almost certainly lead to a war with Russia. It's the same names you should be familiar with by now.

I'm fucking pissed because these neurotics would throw us all into a nuclear furnace if it meant their little made-up dirt kingdom felt safer.

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>>32476268

france does have a nuclear deterrent, and it is french policy to nuke the reds in response to any land invasion.

>>32477091
Virginia will turn back into a red state when hundreds of thousands of these useless twits are let go

>>32476540
? If Russia was invading Europe, they would have large amounts of muslims along. And Turks would be their allies

Yes, non-whites are fifth columns in our countries. In any invasion they will destroy all our major cities with rioting, and we wouldn't have the manpower to deal with it.

Also can't just look at today, where a white majority still exists, what about 50 years from now when whites are a minority in Canada/US/Germany/France, with non-white governments that hate the white population.

>>32477083
>US puts missiles in Turkey
>Russians put missiles in Cuba
>US blockades Cuba
>Russia sends people to fight over Cuba with you
>US and Russia agree to fuck off from both Turkey and Cuba because nobody wants nuclear war
>50 years later: Hurp de durp Russian military fucked up

Are you stupid?

>>32476533
I'm bretty sure Russia's logistical system would also hinder them from advancing beyond the buffer states around her, the RuAF also lacks some heavy lift aircraft like the Ruslan to transport large assets to forward airbases.

>>32476103
>Russia would overrun Europe in about 60 hours

Sure they could, holding onto that ground is what they can't do.

>>32477779
and then call the Legion home with orders to kill anything that isn't French by birth or brotherhood

>>32477110
>getting spit on
Where? Berlin? Oh what surprise harr harr harr

Russia has no wish to takeover Europe.

They didn't do it in Stalin era and they wouldn't do it now.

When you think about it, Europe has no resources to hold, it's much wiser for them to just buy Russia's resources.

>>32477042
Europe's problem not mine

>>32477130
>believing in the "fake news" meme

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>>32477208
>anecdotal evidence

>>32476393
>The "Average German" doesn't need to fight because they have a active military which has already taken those willing to fight.

The only ones being taken in nowadays are "Hauptschüler" who are too dense to learn a trade. I've thought about doing basic right after high school, but talking to a colleague at an internship that did the same made me change my mind.

>>32476103
Why are European faggots always trying to bring us North Americans into shit?

Take care of your own shit, pussies.

just knock out electricity in EU capitals, water pumps also drop with no electricity, cause modern, big cities rarely use pressure towers

EU capitals = "diversity" and class divide, so it would be an absolute slaughter and chaos; bigger cities would pretty much be lost without the need of sending troops

modern civilization is too dependent on everything in the chain functioning properly, if a part of the chain snaps, the chain drops, and that's that

also, EU is very anti-army, anti-war, and western/central EU members have low drive to fight for their cunts, so they would bail to NA

They can't even take Ukraine, forget all of Europe.

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>Russian invades europe in XX hours

we have this thread every single day.

>>32476103
>couldn't even take Ukraine
>piss poor performance in Georgia
>shit performance in Chechnya until they bought out the warlords
>shit performance in Afghanistan
>bydlo vatniks actually think Russia will be able to take Europe in 60 hours
Best joke of the year and I've heard a lot. Russians are drunk retards.

>>32483000

Wonder if an russkie invasion would kick germany into third reich mode.

>>32476103
>>TL;DR: Russia would overrun Europe in about 60 hours.

So... Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries aren't a part of Europe?

>>32476912
>before Trump decides NATO isn't worth America's time anymore
This would be Trump worst move.
Tacticly is saves US money.
Stragegically, some EU countries are quite Russian-friendly, and facing elections that would bring more Russian-freindly people in charge, namely France and Germany, the core of the next EU defense. It would leave Poland and the Baltics alone against Russia, which would be the biggest backstabbing since WW II to Poland.
This would leave US with a single block on the Eurasian continent, what US of A went to war to prevent in WW II.
So despite all Trump's blah blah, it is not going to happen.

They had no intention of taking Ukraine. They don't even want the Donbass. The whole point was to keep a foothold in the country and stir up trouble so Kiev can't join EU/NATO.

>>32483062
>Germany
>Core of EU defense

lol

>>32483067
They're going to up their spending to 2% of GDP and an extra basis point if everything esle stays the same.
Modernization is not done in a day, it is more of a commitment.
TL;DR
France pays with blood, Germaney with money, ala African operations style.

>>32483063
And take some strategic asset: Crimea peninsula.

>>32476476
>French would run away
>British would just watch for a few years
>Italy can be bottled up
>Germans are drowning in immigrants

>>32483050
>vatniks start invading eastern Europe
>causes massive amounts of refugees to flood Germany to even more epic levels
>reach refugee saturation point
>this triggers the germanic and activates his anger gene
>germanics sack Moscow and pillage through the lands
>french surrender in the confusion

Sounds good to me.

>>32476849
>Over the span of several months and that was mostly Americans
The political game is what took so long and the fact that there was no infrastructure there to recieve that kind if forces.
There are airports and harbors all over Europe tailored to support massive NATO troop deployment and the US army is more or less made specifically to be shipped over seas in a rapid fashion.

Not that it would matter, poorly trained and demoralized russian """soldiers""" would get stuck in Poland alone, not to mention what would happen when russia realizes that they would have to defend a war front spanning from the Kola peninsula to Georgia when the rest of NATO and Europe converges on the subhuman invaders.

>>32483050
>III Reich mode.
They would share Poland between them.

>>32476103
No plan survives first contact with the enemy

>>32476103
If Russia was willing to accept the casualties of World War 2 and possibly more, it would be possible.

Would require a significant amount of cannon fodder though.

>>32476855
kek

>>32483082
Germany isn't doing shit.

They're a conscript army with equipment that isn't maintained.

>>32477110

You overexaggerate quite a bit,but of course there is truth in there.

>>32483044
A muslim hating russian, typical.

>>32483062
This would only fuck Poland and the Baltic States, and these states are fucking idiot for starting shit against Russia anyway, knowing full well Hungary and Bulgary and Romania are now pro-Russia.

NATO is a cuck organization now.

>>32483195

we abolished conscription back in 2011.but nowadays noone wants to join,so we dont even meet our low estimated volunteer numbers.

>>32483307
Germany is cuck land.

In a real NATO vs Rus war, without US participation, it would only be Poland + France + UK + Denmark + Norway.

>>32476103
thanks for the keks
u made my day
>Russia
>overrun
need to stop drinking all the break fluid

>>32476103
They got that 60 hour figure from a report that in fact stated :

"Across multiple games using a wide range of expert participants in and out of uniform playing both sides, the longest it has taken Russian forces to reach the outskirts of the Estonian and/or Latvian capitals of Tallinn and Riga, respectively, is 60 hours."

So the baltics only. Hardly an overrun of the european countries & forces.

Another case of media manipulation at its finest.

>>32476103
maybe our eastern forces but overrun Europe in 60 hours? even running the tanks nonstop they wouldn't come anywhere close to that