What is the Chinese big 7? I don't know shit about Chinese

escalators, gutter oil, lead paint, intersections, sparrows, heavy machinery and basic empathy

>>32462001
T-72? Seriously? that tank was design for export

>>32462033
designed

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>>32462033
have a (you)

>>32462001
Chinese ground forces aren't as relevant to the US to put them into some Big 7 chart.

But I'm sure that there is one with Chinese naval vessels and fighter jets the US regularly encounters.

T-55 with chinese engines

Su-27 with chinese engines

destroyers without modern missiles

ICBMs that can't reach mainland US

2 millions of cannon fodder

zero wartime experience

global expansion ambitions

>>32462042
Kek

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>>32462033
low quality bait

Guards tank units in GSFG were equipped with T64s and 80s, but the 72 was still present in other units, especially in the second line.

Attack Helicopter: CAIC WZ-10 (various chin autocannon options, 4x hardpoints, 57mm rocket pods, up to 16x HJ-series ATGM or TY-90 AAM)
MBT: Type 96 (125mm smoothbore)
IFV: ZBD-97 (3 crew, 7 passengers, 30mm autocannon/100mm rifled gun)
ZBD-97 platform can also serve as an ATGM carrier, mounting an AT-10 Stabber missile system.

As for artillery, wiki isn't very helpful as it just lists dozens of systems, all of which are in service, with no information about which are the most widely used/most capable.
Of course, Chinese combat performance depends entirely on which command is in battle - for example, the two best field armies in the PLA are on Beijing duty almost all of the time and are therefore unlikely to ever see significant combat (apart from a Korean meltdown, where they'd probably deploy to the Amrok/Yalu/Tumen river line to stop floods of Nork refugees). Units facing Vietnam probably don't have quite such advanced equipment due to the low threat in that direction, while the PLA Marine Corps is probably getting more attention thanks to the recent stand-offs in the South China Sea.

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>>32462078

Haha, oh wow

> """Modern equipment""" of the People's Liberation Army Ground Force

If the PLA ever gets involved in a major land war, I would not like to be the guy in charge of logistics, that is going to be a mess to sort out. I kind of feel sorry for the PLA, they are the red-headed stepchild these days, with the PLAAF and PLAN getting all the money and attention while >90% of them are still stuck with Warsaw Pact knock-off shite unlike the few show-piece modernised divisions that get shown off in parades.

Isn't the Stryker superior in everyway to the 152MM SP?

>>32462221

Why are you comparing a post Cold War 8x8 wheeled APC to a tracked self propelled artillery piece from the mid Cold War?

That is about as different as you can get

>>32462001
Basically the same as Soviet Big 7 from the 70s.

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>>32462221
>105 mm gun mounted on a BTR knockoff
>Superior to 152 mm self-propelled battalion artillery
Are you a special boy? If Stryker was even competing, if would probably be competing with something like Sprut-SD.

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Or even more likely Nona-SVK.

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Or possibly Zhalo-S.

>>32462028
Hahahahahahha

>>32462028
Fpbp

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>>32462001
Big 7 as in hardware that the West is most likely to encouter in a war against China?

For China, it is basically this pic.

ZTZ-96A MBT, ZBD-86B IFV, Z-10A Gunship

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>>32463113
Type 96A makes up the mainstay of the Chinese modern MBT forces. About 2500 of them are in service.

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>>32462028

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>>32463125
Although for the most likely battlefield to encounter Chinese ground forces; Korea, the West would likely face off with ZTZ-99s.

China's strongest shock-divisions are stationed there in case of a 2nd Korean War.

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>>32463152
ZTZ-99A and ZBD-08 IFVs make up China's 38th and 39th Group Armies (equivalent with oversized NATO-Corps). These are the A-category elite units that are facing Korea.

About a 1000 ZTZ-99 of all variants are now in service.

For the ZBD-04 and 08, there are also about a 1000 in service.

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>>32463152
ORBAT of the 112th Heavy Mechanized Infantry Division, which is kinda a Chinese "Guards" Shock Division.

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>>32463178
ZBD-04A/08 IFV belonging to the Armored Infantry Battalions.

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>>32463213
Not few in number anymore.

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>>32463217
Artillery Platoons in each Armored Inf Battalions have those PLZ-05A 120mm mortars.

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>>32463243
While the 120mm tracked mortars are organic assets to each Armored Inf. Battalions, the regimental Mechanized Artillery Battalion gets proper 122mm SPHs.

Pic are the PLZ-89 122mm SP Howitzers

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>>32463279
The Regimental Artillery Battalion is also home to the self propelled AAA.

In the Cat-A units (but increasingly in the CAT-B as well) the PGZ-07 SPAAG is the organic air-defense asset to protect the artillery battalion, as well as the mechanized/armored infantry units.

The PGZ-07 SPAAG is equipped with two 35mm Oerlikon guns, capable of firing AHEAD sensor-fuzed airburst ammunition that can take out incoming munitions as well.

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>>32463311
In less well equipped units, the PGZ-95 quad-23mm SPAAG is the mainstay.

four 23mm guns and four FN-6 MANPADS.

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>>32463325
Now, the Division's Artillery Regiment:

They have the biggest guns. The PLZ-05 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer is their mainstay.

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>>32463342
The Division's artillery regiment's 1st Artillery Battalion has 18 of such guns.

Here, we see them firing extended range rocket assissted laser-guided 155mm rounds.

>>32462042
wew lad

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>>32463356
The Artillery Regiment's 2nd battalion has medium caliber guns:

Another 18 PLZ-89A, 122mm SPHs.

A bit redundant here, since each maneuver Mech. Inf Regiments all have a 18 guns 122mm medium howitzer battalion for direct organic firesupport as well... But the PLA ground forces are well known to be very very artillery centered.

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>>32463379
The 3rd Battalion of the Artillery Regiment has 18 vehicles of the 40-tubed PHZ-89 122mm MRLS.

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>>32463404
The recent reforms and modernization has replaced these vehicles with the new PHZ-10 tracked MRLS.

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>>32463415
Like the PHZ-89, they have a similiar auto-loading capability.
The PHZ-10 thus can quickly reload its entire rocket load by carrying a ready-to-fire magazine.

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>>32463426
This system is also available as wheeled variant. The reason for the replacement of the quite reliable PHZ-89 with the PHZ-10 is the modularity. The PHZ-10 can fire different calibers by installing the respective modules.

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>>32463465
And there is a huge selection of 122mm rockets available. Even guided ones that can hit moving targets! (via pulse control gas vanes)

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_artillery_vehicles_and_weapon_systems_uk/sr5_sr-5_guided_multiple_launch_rocket_system_gmlrs_mlrs_122mm_220_mm_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_11601162.html

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>>32463498
Now, the 4th Artillery Battalion of the Artillery Regiment:

This battalion isnt as simple as the previous three, as it has three seperate companies each with different systems, but they have in common that they are all playing the Tank Destroyer/Assault Gun role:

4th Bn, 1st Coy: Previously PTZ-89 120mm self propelled anti tank gun.

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>>32463540
But since 2016, the PTZ-89 120mm TD is getting decommissioned in the heavy mechanized units (Tracked Units). The replacement is unknown. Maybe that 125mm L70 "Monster Gun" will be the candidate?

In any case, this gun was last spotted onboard of a ZTL-09 8x8 IFV, which would indicate that it might be for the light mechanized units (wheeled units).

This gun on a tracked chassis would be pretty good.

>>32462028
>escalator
>that one vid of a mother who fell through service panel and literally eaten after pushing her child to safety

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>>32463563
4th Artillery Battalion, 2nd and 3rd Coy:

AT missiles.

Pretty much anything from HJ-8 SACLOS ATGM, HJ-9 Laser Beamriding ATGM and the new AFT-10 Optical Fiber NLOS ATGM.

In the 112th Division, the AFT-10 has now taken over the role of the dedicated tank-killer. This system is also being used in the 39th GA, which faces Korea.

This AT Missile system is pretty damn dangerous for any foe: Carrying 8 fiber optic cable guided ATGM, they can attack enemy tanks from 10km over the horizon and over the hills without getting within visual range of the enemy themselves.

The Operators inside these carriers simply steer the missile via TV/ImIR seeker head.

>>32462028
Kek

>>32462042
Why are the chinese not stealing engine blueprints?

>>32463171
Those are just T-55 tanks with some extra panels over the turret.

The spending priorities for the PLA are like this:
-Navy
-Airforce
-Strategic forces
-Space forces
-Reprints of Maos little red book
-Groundpounder peasants

>>32463587
TV guided missiles kind of suck though.

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>>32463587
Guidance is like this;

https://webmshare.com/play/xADY6

>>32463615
It's a bit different, though.

Best compared with the Spike-ER Missile. The operator can steer the missile like a drone, retarget it in flight etc. while still being resistant to jamming, since the missile is connected to the carrier via optical fiber.

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>>32463656
The 2nd and 3rd ATGM companies have 10 of these carriers each.

This gives them 160 ready to launch missiles that have very high Pk due to their NLOS-Man-in-the-loop guidance. If anything, the Western forces in Korea should take caution against these units.

Israel's Spike missiles, which the AFT-10 is basically a copy of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2goq_pr25E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw9SqnXqZQ

Shit is pretty scary.

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>>32463684
>>32463178

Lastly; the Divisional Air Defense Regiment:

The AD regiment has only 3 battalions, compared to the 4 of the Artillery Regt. (and 5 of the Frontline Maneuver Regt.).

The 1st Battalion is the Anti-Air Missile Battalion.

In the 112th Div (and also the Cat-A divisions of thr 39th GA facing Korea), the 1st Bn has 8-10 HQ-17 tracked SAM.

These SAM are the Chinese successor of the previously imported Russian Tor-M1 SAM systems.

The HQ-17, while largely looking like a copy of the Tor-M1, actually has improved search and tracking radar (flat AESA replacing old Cassegrain antenna), as well as FCR.

It is basically a Tor-M2 on a Tor-M1 chassis.

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>>32463730
2nd AD battalion is the AAA battalion:

18x PGZ-07 35mm SPAAGs here.

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>>32463737
3rd AD Battalion is the MANPAD battalion.

Basically some 36 MANPAD launchers.

Mostly, they are moved via APC or wheeled transports.

Here, some guys with FN-6 MANPADs on open top cars.

That's basically China's "Big 7" now.

>>32463751
Literally ISIS-tier.

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>>32463759

>>32463730
Wait is that Tor knockoff?

>>32463815
Do you read the post?

>>32463594

They don't have the material science tech to make them even when they have it

Eventually maybe, but not now

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>>32463869
They already have.

since 2009, the WS-10 became mature. In 2014, around 450 WS-10s were powering the majority of China's Flanker-fleet.

No crash of the J-11B since then.

DD6 single crystal blades are several generations ahead of the directional solified engine blades used in the imported AL-31F engines powering the older Chinese flankers, that suffered more engine related issues.

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>>32463815
Old Tor-M1 related. Note the old-styled Cassegrain antenna for the search radar. About 36 were imported from Russia in the late 90s.

HQ-17 basically is a Tor-M2 on a Tor-M1 tracked chassis.

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>>32464043
HQ-17 vs Tor-M1

>>32464026

I stand corrected, thanks.

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>>32463759
MANPAD battalions come in different flavors.

Cat-B/C battalions are simply MANPAD+transports combinations.

Cat-A are computer/sensor-aided MANPAD+transports.

Like the Smart-Hunter system, which is basically some MANPAD-guy with a HUD and networked datalink system, that gives him and his team target informations.

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>>32464103
They are connected to a radar vehicle.

Previous variants were still wire-bound, but newer ones are wireless.

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>>32464106
Such a Smart-Hunter Manpad team of the OPFOR units during Zhurihe Excercise 2014.

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>>32463759
>moderate-ISIS-tier

fixed for you.

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>>32463605
The Type 96 was the last time that can still be described as T-55 offshoot, even if only the chassis traces its ancestry to it (even though it is longer and has more roadwheels). The turret thne was already all-welded.

The Type 99A is basically nothing like any other Chinese tank before. The chassis is all new, so is the turret.

This is a ZTZ-99A without ERA panels, showing that the basic turret already has that arrow-shaped frontal armor.

The previous Chinese Type 99 and 96 tanks still had a Abrams-styled flat armor design beneath the arrow shaped ERA add-on modules.

>>32464187

This comes to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sQfc0VIRMk

>>32463325

I know it's not their intended use but I never got why SPAAGs didn't get proper articulation so they could be used as support weapons.

I know Russia developed what was essentially a SPAAG on a turret after Chechenya proved MBTs were terrible in cities and autocannon armed IFVs were better at fucking with buildings.

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>>32464216
Tank production is actually kinda comfy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_21a12xvc8

>>32464221
You mean the Afghanski? Shilka without radar and modified for fire-support, basically.

Yeah, Syria also shows how AAA can be used for effective fire-support.

>>32464261
Well any sort of autocannon over 14.5 mm is going to work. It's one of the reasons all IFVs tend to get 25-40mm guns now. Just so useful in urban areas.

I appreciate your info dumping anon.
Procurement/development/arsenal threads are always comfy when the shitposting stops.

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>>32463465
speaking of the devil:

http://www.janes.com/article/66543/indonesia-takes-delivery-of-122-mm-rocket-systems-from-china


The Indonesian Marines Corps is now equipped with the Type 90B multiple rocket system from China
System may be equipped with indigenously developed R-Han 122 B rockets

The Indonesian Marines Corps (Korps Marinir, or KORMAR) has taken delivery of four units of the Type 90B 122 mm (40-round) multiple rocket system (MRS) from China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO).

Sources within the service told IHS Jane's on 27 December that first test firings of the system are being conducted until the end of the month at various undisclosed locations throughout East Java.

The systems have been delivered under a 2015 contract signed between the Indonesian Ministry of Defence and NORINCO. Indonesia is the first known export customer of the Type 90B variant.

According to IHS Jane's Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defence , the Type 90B MRS consists of a Tiema SC2030 6x6 truck with four rows of 10 tubes mounted on a rotating cradle assembly.

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>>32463178
Damn, I love these charts.

here, have a russian tank brigade.

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>>32463178
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112th_Mechanized_Infantry_Division_(People's_Republic_of_China)

>Nickname(s) "Fuck'in-A" division(牛逼师)

KEK

>>32463594
them have them, they just don't have the experience or know-how to make them. everything china makes is based on copying someones work as the base to start off of and jet engines are not something you can copy as easily when you have zero domestic engine background because you've been using other peoples shit forever.

>>32462001
>SPAAG
>SA-8
Wow. Let's just ignore the SA-10/20 for a shitty gun and tactical level sam

>>32462028
>basic empathy
Doesn't make sense, this is China we're talking about

>>32464802
Those are not organic assets of a mechanized division.

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>>32463605
>The spending priorities for the PLA are like this:

While true that the PLA Ground Forces are pretty much down the list of priorities right now, it is not to say that they arent being modernized. But quite differently than we'd think:

Take the 6th armored division of the Beijing MR for example: They might still have ZTZ-88B tanks as their mainstay units (and this wont change for a while), but they were recently modernized with HQ-17/PGZ-07 combo for their air-defense, as well as new PLZ-05 155mm SPH for their artillery units.

And this applies to other PLA units as well, who are still driving Type 59 tanks around: While their maneuver units are still armed with obsolete crap, they still receive modern air-defense and artillery hardware, as well as modern command/communications vehicles.

The modernization of the PLA is not as "across the board" as that of the Navy and Airforce, but rather selective: To make sure that all PLA ground force units can survive enemy air-attacks and defend themselves from PGMs. And also to make sure that even Type 59 equipped tank units can actually be coordinated and integrated in a army-wide C4ISR network.


Pic: TV news from today showing the newly arrived HQ-17s for the 6th armor division's AD regiment's SAM battalion.

>>32465028
thanks for these posts

very revealing. Smart doctrine from the Chinese

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>>32465028
And the PGZ-07 (here, "PGZ-09" upgrade) combo, for that matter.

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>>32465042
Yeah, they are sometimes going length to integrate even obsolete hardware in their new network;

Pic: Type 59A (equipped with 100mm D-10T gun and simple laser range finder), but with a MFD inside.

Hey infobro. A year or so ago I was hearing about light armor the PLA was developing for usage the far West for mountainous environments.

Is there any truth to this?
Do you have any info on the PLA'S far West army groups? Do they contrast significantly with Eastern army groups?

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>>32465070
Inside a Type 59B (equipped with 105mm L-7 copy). The MFD is part of a datalink/battlefield management suite. Pretty much the core module of the upgrade package.

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>>32465082
Same module inside a Type 99.

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>>32465093
And Type 96A.

That system is standardized across the board.

Literally every Chinese tank, no matter how obsolete, seems to have been upgraded with that system.

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>>32465081
Yeah, there is definitely a new light tank in the works for the Western/Mountain units.

But it seems that the competition for the final design is still going on.

Here is the most likely winning candidate:

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>>32465117
New light tank compared to the Stingray. Said to be around 30 tons or slightly more.

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>>32465129
The recent Zhuhai Airshow showed the VT-5 light tank, which is probably the losing design.

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>>32465081
And as for Western Forces, it depends on the terrain.

Mountain units mostly have Type 96A for now, but are waiting for the new light tank (and have more helicopters organic to the GA), while the units that are stationed in the plains/deserts of the Western provinces are equally heavy in terms of AFVs as those facing Korea.

The Western MRs heavy mech inf divisions also have Type 99s.

Pic: Type 99 of the Qinghai Plateu.

Thanks.

Fuck Chicom designations are confusing.

NATO codes when?

>>32462313
If the game is cracking its hull from firing, a Sprut wins easily.

>>32464187
>The Type 96 was the last time that can still be described as T-55 offshoot, even if only the chassis traces its ancestry to it

ZTZ-96 and 96A literally use an updated T-34 engine, which is why the new engine on the 96B (derived from the 99's engine which is based on an MTU engine) is such a big improvement.

>>32462028
Dont you mean "lack of basic empathy"?

>>32464637
I choose to believe that was simply the first thing they heard an American say upon entering Korea.

Enjoy :^)

http://imgur.com/gallery/wk2zo

>>32467579
Very nice overview.

112th is really the model division for all heavy mech units in the PLAGF. Recent info indicated that the 39th GA is also following the path now.

This is the 38th GA's antehem, with the 112th Div's insignia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWSch6kg2Wo

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>>32467664
Some history in its description:

>钢铁的部队, Army of Steel, aka Military Anthem of the 38th Group Army. Yeah, sometimes, instead of regurgitating that whole communist propaganda mumble jumble, just give them a damn list of all the bloody battles that you've won...all tuned to the good ol' military march, of course. "A few hundred battles," no big deal, you know, "each worthy of praise." This is what elite sounds like.

>The PLA 38th Group Army, the "imperial garrison" of the Capital of the People's Republic, is generally regarded as THE best of the PLA. When there's a new experimental weapon, give it to the 38th first; when there's a new reform regimen, use it on the 38th first, and that privilege is certainly earned. Tracing its honourable roots all the way back to the Northern Expedition time, the 38th has fought some of the most gruesome and important battles for the Communist Party: in the Battle of Xiushuihezi, the 38th first implemented Lin Biao's "one point two sides" and "3-3 system" tactics and proved that fluid infantry manoeuvres can indeed defeat substantially better-equipped enemies; in the Four Battles of Siping, it was common for entire companies to be obliterated by KMT artillery in the see-saw battle, and yet the 38th succeeded in securing the first major victory for the CCP; during the Second Phase Campaign of the Korean War, the 38th held their grounds against American attacks so well (even by communist standards) that Peng Dehuai uncharacteristically exclaimed "Long live the People's Volunteer Army! Long live the 38th Army!", and thus giving the 38th the nickname "Long-Lived Army"; even during the 1989 Tiananmen Square Incident, Xu Qinxian, commander of the 38th, refused the order to move in Beijing and reportedly said the famous line "I would rather have my head chopped off than becoming a criminal of history." He was sentenced five years for that.

Pic: Distribution of Chinese Group Armies.

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>>32467579

>The main gun of the ZTZ-99A is an improved version of the 125mm L50, called ZPT-98, of indigenous design that equips the original ZTZ-99. The new gun can fire more varieties of shells and was selected over a 140mm design due to its perceived excessiveness. While the calibre is common with the Soviet 2A46M, the design philosophy of the ZPT-98 draws more from Western guns, especially in terms of accuracy, bore pressure, and barrel life. However, due to the above mentioned properties, the ZPT-98 is relatively expensive and only equips the ZTZ-99 family whilst the more common ZTZ-96 family is equipped with a cheaper, less accurate, licensed derivation of the 2A46M. Mounted above the gun on the ZTZ-99A are a dynamic muzzle reference system and an IFF array. This maximises first-shot hit probability and mitigates the risk of friendly fire.

>The armour of the ZTZ-99A is composed of modular blocks, designed to be replaced when the technology of each iteration becomes outdated. A similar philosophy is adopted by the French Leclerc. This prevents the entire tank from losing relevancy as material science advances. A soft-kill active-protection system is mounted on the turret. This system is comprised of multiple lenses that detect incoming laser beams, and employs a powerful laser of its own to dazzle and, hopefully, blind the source of the incoming laser.

>ZTZ-99As are organised into battalions of thirty-one, consisting of three companies of ten vehicles, plus a battalion commander vehicle. This is based on the Soviet system of thirty-one-vehicle battalions and ten-vehicle companies. The ten-vehicle companies are further broken down into three platoons of three vehicles, plus a company commander vehicle.

sounds like a pretty nice tank.

>>32464052
TOR is for fags

>>32464544
Every China thread has shitposting and "50 cent" accusations. I just ignore them and look at the evidence.

>>32468117
>cant conduct proper SEAD
>blame Pact OP SAM pls nerf

butthurt HATO fag.

When will China go USSR on us and kick off the second Cold War?

>>32468170
The information is useful as long as it is taken with a grain of salt, the pre-written multipost format screams someone earning a paycheck..

>>32463751
Thanks for the elaboration.

>>32463213
What's the difference between ZBD-97/04/08?

>>32463815
No

China is known to have indigenoues Research and Development. It might look like a Tor but it is wholly China made.

>>32467579
Thanks, Bill.

>>32463684
Those are scary.

Sometimes I wish our American doctrine would focus a lot on missile spam from large launch platforms too. We certainly have the money for the munitions and tech to do so if we felt like it.

>>32469815
ZBD-04 has improved armour over the ZBD-97

ZBD-04A has furhter improved armour and a much better FCS, with advanced thermals.

ZBD-08 is new vehicles with a modified layout and further increased base armour (not needing the add-on armour of the ZBD-04A)

>>32470738
They are not comparable to Spike NLOS, despite what 50cent will want you to believe.

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>>32462001
Millions of empty appartements US infantry has to clear room by room

>>32470879
It's vice versa.

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>>32463751
That was incredible informative, thanks.

>>32470879
Please enlighten me.

>>32471134
>hundreds of empty cities

>>32471134

It's already been demolished for years hasn't it?

No army would attempt a land invasion of China these days. Just hit the critical infrastructure and if you wanna go war crime level knock down the three gorges dam.

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What are the best resources to keep up to date on PLA/PLAA/PLAN/etc? Any good sites I should know about?

Older AA tech demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ldl3lmgllQ

Chinese HJ-8 ATGM used in Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTNbZIN4AiE

I'm guessing these are one time use. Why is the launcher backwards?

>>32462001
>What is the Chinese big 7?
Soviet Big 7 was set of vehicles that dramatically changed face of warfare and provided unprecedented (on that time) mobility for Deep Operation strategy.
China has not unique vehicles for their own unique strategy.

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>>32473270
Pretty much only the Sinodefence and China-Defense forums, lots of basic information about hardware and ORBAT there (especially in latter forum).

Or this japanese twitter for relevant news: https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier

>>32471556
Educate yourself on the difference between Spike MR/LR/ER and NLOS.

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>>32473389
I'd say the Chinese AFT-10 NLOS missile carrier is pretty revolutionary in a sense that it belongs to the artillery battalion, and has the range and over-the-hill capability of an artillery, but the accuracy and responsiveness of an ATGM.

This would change warfare quite a bit, since it can be assumed that every enemy tank spotted, even by a normal soldier with a radio, could turn into a dead tank a few minutes later - even if the tank moves and tries to get into cover, which would protect it from traditional artillery.

>>32473302
Does this qualify as soft launch?

>>32473586
IIRC you cant fire a HJ-8 or TOW from an enclosed building, despite that tube being launched backwards. It has something to do with the overall back blast of overpressure etc.

This is basically why the Javelin is such a big deal, as it has something to turn the backblast into something less hazardous.

>>32473551
>I'd say the Chinese AFT-10 NLOS missile carrier is pretty revolutionary
>Pereh
>guided 120mm mortar rounds

>>32473638
The Pereh is basically a NLOS missile. Maybe not as reliable, since it is not optical fiber guided and relies on wireless datalinks that can be jammed under battlefield conditions.

The guided 120mm mortar rounds are nothing new. You still have to either guide them via forward observer using a laser designator (and hence exposing himself to immediate danger), or you have to rely on the unreliable autonomous seeker in each round, which cant be retargeted or distinguish decoy from the real target.

The AFT-10 and Spike-ER are optical cable guided missiles of same size and weight (AFT-10 45kg 10km, Spike-ER 43kg 8km) - they are much more reliable against jamming and decoy because the operator can always see what the missile sees, while the cable-guidance makes it impossible to jam.
The missile operator basically uses the missile like a suicide drone, can retarget during flight, self-destruct to prevent FF and distinguish decoy/fake targets from real targets.

This is the real battlefield revolution.

>>32473881
>The Pereh is basically a NLOS missile.

Which means it has a far greater range than wire guided missiles, and actually qualifies as a type of artillery.

>The guided 120mm mortar rounds are nothing new. You still have to either guide them via forward observer using a laser designator

You know there is INS guidance as well as IR seekers.

>>32473881
By definition it can't be a revolution when it is a copy of a missile in wide service.

>>32474017
>Which means it has a far greater range than wire guided missiles, and actually qualifies as a type of artillery.

25km is good and all, but it is useless if that missile's connection to the man-in-the-loop operator is jammed. And fat chance that there will be a material light enough to enable that missile to carry 25km of cable...

>You know there is INS guidance as well as IR seekers.

INS only tells you the location, IR seekers can be jammed by decoys.
Regardless, these guided mortar rounds cant be retargeted and steered by any operator after they left the barrel. They arent as revolutionary as cable guided suicide drones, but are merely an upgrade that raises accuracy of conventional old artillery.

>>32474055
By itself not, but by being in service to the armed force of an anti-western country, it is.

Before, noone in the NATO must have planned for countermeasures against the Spike, since it is unlikely that Israel or any of its customers would ever fight the West.

But now, they have to.

>>32474076
Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts.

>>32462221
I swear to god people on this fucking board are incredibly stupid

>>32473482
I do very well know the difference between those, your point?

>>32471134
That is pretty spooky.