is the 223 basically a cuck round for grunts who can't aim

>>32391669
More rounds = more dead dudes

>>32391669
Do people just use cuck randomly im a sentance now? It was cute when Americans first learnd the term cuckold, but give it a rest. The rest of the English speaking world is tired of it.

>>32391719
Cuck is literally just like faggot and autist now. Get the fuck over it, cuck.

>>32391669
>Is this thing an utter piece of shit for cucked losers?
>This thing is a piece of shit for losers

Why ask a question when your mind is already made up?

Btw I don't like .223 because it's not capable of reliably bringing down deer, hog, or bear.
Inb4
>Muh $3 per round unobtanium hollowpoints with lucky rabbitsfoot shot placement

>>32391719
>It was cute when Americans first learnd the term cuckold, but give it a rest. The rest of the English speaking world is tired of it.

The rest of the English speaking world can own guns?

>>32391735
lolwhat?
Protip: don't suck at shooting. My grandpa went hunting every year with a .22 JC Higgins single shot rifle and got whitetail no problem.

I thought the military used 5.56 not .223

>>32391784
Technically they do, it's nearly the same cartridge though. 5.56 can shoot .223, not the other way around

>>32391770
Did the shot bounce around its skill?

>>32391800
I know, I was just being a cunt

>>32391735
>.223 cant drop deer reliably
jesus fuck you sadist are you shooting them in the legs? learn some shot placement

>>32391770
>Protip: don't suck at shooting. My grandpa went hunting every year with a .22 JC Higgins single shot rifle and got whitetail no problem.
>My grandpa wounded 10 deer every year but always brought one home lol silly grandpa always had a big flashlight taped to his rifle on those overnight hunting trips too

>>32391800
5.56 has a lot more pressure. The reason you can't shoot 5.56 out of .223 is the gun might blow up in your face.

>>32391828
>>.223 cant drop deer reliably
>jesus fuck you sadist are you shooting them in the legs? learn some shot placement
>I read a cheaper than dirt blog article saying .223 would kill anything up to the God Odin while he was high on PCP during a month when they had .223 on sale

Top let I guess Christmas break has started

>>32391908
With good placement, .223 will even stop hogs, which are considerably tougher and meaner than deer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx66ys4JG5o

>>32391879
Nah, heart shot. You get good at using a fairly quiet rifle when poaching meat to survive the depression then not draw attention to yourself shooting deer at night.
Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it's the same for others. Using .22 to poach game effectively and quietly has been a thing since it was invented. Take a look, it's in a book.

>>32391669
>is the 223 shit?
Nope; it's pretty good. Thanks for asking.

>>32391735
>Btw I don't like .223 because it's not capable of reliably bringing down deer, hog, or bear.
See that's a good reason. "I don't like .223 because it doesn't fit my intended use." Good, excellent. Moving on.

In other news: I like .223 because it fits my intended use almost perfectly.

>but it's so hard, I can't have universal truths to fall back on and laugh at people for.
Sorry?

>>32391921
>With a monkey's paw clutching a moon diamond in my pocket and my dick resting to the left wrapped up under my balls I can totally kill a hog sometimes with .223
>I just proved beyond a doubt that .223 is 100% reliable for hogs

Somebody get this hotheaded kid out of here

>>32391902
That's not true. The spec allows for more pressure although it's measured differently. However no smart manufacturer is chambering .223 rifles in a way that they won't survive the possible pressure of a 5.56 round. The concern is short throats of old varmint .223 chambers and 5.56 tracers which are exceptionally long. Those tracers get jammed into the case causing an over pressure situation.

It's a seriously crazy stars must align problem which has spawned the myth you just regurgitated.

>>32391929
My great grandpa poached deer too, but he used a .30/30 because he wasn't a noguns faggot who didn't understand hunting ethics.

>>32391719
>Do people just use cuck randomly im a sentance now?
Yes, it's /k/'s meme word of the year. Previously it was "fudd". It HAD a meaning, then lost all meaning

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>>32391993
I wonder how loud a .30-30 is compared to a .22
Surely if you're doing something illegal you'd want to draw the least amount of attention to yourself?

>>32391719
Cuck You

>>32391974
Is too

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>>32391669
Where do you nogunz window lickers get this bullshit?

>>32391730
tired, played out, and kind of annoying?

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>>32391669
Superior

>>32392029
/pol/

>>32392028
>Is too
5.56 NATO 430.00 MPa (62,366 psi)
.223 CIP 62,366 psi (430.00 MPa)
.223 SAAMI 55,000 psi (380 MPa)

Even if you want to assume that companies are proofing rifles only to the SAAMI spec they would still proof at well over the ~7,000psi difference.

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>>32391669
OP is retarded.

>>32391908
>>32391963
Almost nothing will kill deer reliably without good shot placement you fucking idiot. If you can kill a whitetail with .300 WinMag you can kill one with a .223 loaded with any one of a variety of PSPs.

You just don't know how to fucking shoot so you overcompensate with a larger caliber.

>>32391669

5.56 will kill the shit out anybody as dead as 7.62 nato within 600 yards and a soldier can carry more of it.

the army did a survey on how the infantry fights, tl;dr the average soldier doesnt need a .30 caliber rifle

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Rapper name: yung cucky

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Hello everyone, has anyone heard about our lord and savior 7mm rem mag?

-Deer
-Hogs
-Elk
-Bear
-Sand Niggers

On top of that it's commonly available at every Wal-mart and Sportings goods store.

Did I mention that amazing ballistic coefficient? Supersonic out to 1350m!

Need to explode something? More than enough energy to punch through mild steel at 1000m.

Convert today for a free coupon for Arby's

>>32392015
>using .22 over .30/30 to poach because it's "quieter"
>during a time when the US had less than half its current population

Either you or your grandpa are full of shit

>>32391669
I have several thousands of each. I also have a variety of weapons that will shoot each. Some bolt, some semi auto...etc,etc.

That being said, I also have different quality of each. from M855A1, to regular green tip, to BHA hand loaded stuff.

I buy whenever I find a good deal, on both. I shoot both regularly too.

>>32392155
>hear .22 pop at dusk
Hmmm, someones shooting pests
>hear .30-30 across half the parish at dusk
Hmmm, wonder what he's doing?
He poached well into the 90s until his second stroke put him pretty much out of commission.

>>32392063
if that aint the damn truth

>>32391908
so admit your shot placement is shit? why else would you make such a noguns fudd-tier statement like "223 cant drop deer"
>b-b-but i made a funny quip about online stores and odin

>>32392074
This would appear to say .40 has quantifiably more stoppan power than 9mm.

>>32392091
>>32392194
>Muh bare minimum with perfect shot placement

Just thinking that you will always be in a position to get perfect shot placement shows you children have never hunted before.

>>32392091
>Almost nothing will kill deer reliably without good shot placement you fucking idiot.

My old 40mm would beg to differ

>>32392276
No, can't say I've ever been in a rush to get the deer then run back to the camper for the rest of the day.

>>32392294
>That guy who calls himself a "Hunter" when he sits a tree house waiting to shoot anything that wanders over to his pile of apples 30m away
>He goes hunting with a camper

Its like I'm talking with literal children...

>>32392276
>.223 cant drop deer!
>shot placement is a meme!
>im a master hunter!
you sound like a mall ninja hunting with an AR that lefties are always worried about. shot placement is king you fucking fudd

>>32392074
>>32392260
Even a little more than 9mm +P+

>>32392317
I was talking about you hoss. If you have to shoot at a deer the minute you see it so you can go back to the camp and sit in the trailer for the rest of the day, then whatever makes you happy.

>>32392122
why not just not be a fag, use 30-06, and simultaneously spend less

I don't like .223 because I live in an area with thick woods and want a little heavier round to be effective as possible at short range. Because of this I built an AR in 7.62x39, and am happy with it.

I harvest white tail with green tip 556 every year. Either stop trying to drop deer at >100 meters or learn better shot placement. Preferably both.

>>32391719
It's kind of just become synonymous with "ineffectual", "weak", or "submissive".

>>32392044
You got it

>>32391669
.223 and 5.56 are great rounds, and this is coming from someone who uses a 7.62x51 rifle.

>>32392122
I've owned a 7mag and hated it. For some fucking reason they all come with 26" barrels. It makes them too damn barrel heavy.

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If you reload, you can make a 7.62x40 wildcat from .223 brass. It's the second one from the left. It has slightly better ballistics than 7.62x39 Russian.

>>32391669
>is the 223 basically a cuck round for grunts who can't aim for shit?
Kinda started out that way. But rifle and bullet technology has made it bretty gud. I can lay a headshot on a man at 300 yards with no problem. That is nothing to sniff at.

Also, logistically, it kicks everything's ass, which is why it is still in use over 50 years later.

>>32391750
>ouch

>>32392646
>Hunting with FMJ
KYS

>>32393199
Magnums need more barrel length to burn all that fuckton of powder before the bullet exits. Without the long barrel, it's basically a fucking waste to have a magnum.

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>>32392646
>stop trying to drop deer at >100 meters
This so fucking much

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Here's another .223 based wildcat. It's trimmed and necked up to .257x40mm. It'll fire 80 grain bullets at ~2800 fps from a 16" barrel. Fits AR magazines with no modification.

>>32393310
The problem with .25-45 sharps is you can't shoot long bullets because you are constrained to the roughly 2.250" mag length restriction of 5.56 AR mags. If you could fire a 90-95gr match bullet at about 2900 fps, it would be the tits. But as it is, it shoots an 89 grain short-ass soft point seated deep as fuck, making it's exterior ballistics shit compared to what it could be.

I'm sure you can kill deer with .223 - here in Australia professional kangaroo shooters tend to stick with .223 or 22-250 for full size roos, which can be a similar size to a deer.

It's mandated that you must use >.270 on deer though, due to less risk of wounding the animal and causing unneccessary suffering.

I also wouldn't even bother using my .223 on a pig, 30-30 or buckshot is the go.

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>>32393320
I posted .25x40, not .25-45 sharps. Those are 100gr matchkings in that picture. There's a 5mm difference in case length between the two. Pic related is .25 sharps.

>>32393306
Just watched this today.

>>32391669
Ironic and/or meta shitposting is still shitposting, anon.

>>32391669
Oopsy doopsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG5r71dX5yc

>>32391993
>poaching
>ethical hunting
.22 can kill deer without maiming them. I mustve seen you arguing known historical fact two or three times now.

>>32391669

Its a bullet for shooting coyotes and foxes, and wounding humans.

Overall it has the same effect on a human as a 357 magnum up close, but beyond point blank range it might as well be a 9mm that flies better.
> yeah you can kill someone with it
> yeah it kills better than a pissant round
> but adrenaline jihadi jorge isnt going to care until his heart stops beating or his brains are splattered

(for all arguments about effectiveness based on energy, diameter of the bullet determines how much flesh it pushes out of the way WITH its velocity. Its got twice the velocity of a 9mm but nearly half the diameter so go figure).

>>32392055
>Russian
>steel case

dropped

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>>32392318
>you sound like a mall ninja...you fucking fudd

>>32392055
I would agree.
Thing comes out flying sideways and makes it look like you got stabbed with a sword.

>>32392091
they use 22 and 22wmr to kill alligators by shooting them in the eye socket, dont wanna ruin the hide with a bullet hole

>>32392110
the army did a survey of how the infantry fights and they discovered that dudes usually dont even spot the enemy or engage them until they're within 120 yards
> can your rifle shoot accurately to 120 or even 200 yards? good then it works well enough

>mfw the soviets knew their fucking shit when it came to designing the AK-47 and keeping that lame ass round the developed at the end of ww2. Many dead vietnam soldiers would agree.

Still 6.5 is the king and it always has been. Its always been the ideal mix. The only reason armies have switched was morale and in doing so typically screwed their own soldiers into carrying less ammo. Either that or somehow they actually fubar'd the round design and it wasnt as accurate as it could be.

>>32392289
them flechettes
> sounds gamey

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>>32393883
>wounding

>>32393269
Having had to hump a 249, 240, and for 3 miserable weeks a m2 you raise a often overlooked point. 556 is very portable compared to other cartridges. The difference in range for me between saw and 240 was 300 meters starting at 800-900 (accuracy by volume) but it is remarkable how a longer sight radius or bdc optics make 556 area denial viable

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>>32391929
>Take a look, it's in a book.

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>>32392006
It's really more a /pol/ and alt-right thing that has become overused here because they can't keep their shit in their containment board.

>>32392318
Got anymore of dem buzzwords?

>>32392646

You must live in the south.

>>32393883
I remembering hearing about two guys that got killed in Iraq after putting three bullets into a sand nigger's chest. The sand nigger was still able to kill them before he died.

>>32391719

Sounds like something a giant cucklord would say, cuck

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If you live in Australia where factory ammo can be expensive af .223 is a common option when spotlighting for foxes, cats and Roos. Typically you're not shooting much further than 200m so larger calibers are not really necessary. Anything bigger actually tends to piss off the farmers due to the noise.

>>32394102
>I actually believe the Hollywood myth that guns instantly incapacitate you

>>32394138
5.56 sure as shit doesn't.

>>32392646
B...b..but that's the only reason I like hunting in the North West...

Granted I'm not trying to drop an Elk from 100+ meters with a .223

>>32392318
>hunting with AR
>fudd

Lolwut

>>32393914
I didn't understand either. He's just shitting out buzzwords.

>>32394102
That's happened with .30 cal rounds too, bud.

>>32394243
I doubt it. Maybe with a fmj found, but anything .30 caliber that expands of fragments is going to be lights out in a hurry.

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>>32391719
a new word gets picked up, abused, run into the ground, and forgotten every year. I didn't think the next one would be worse than last year's but it always is. "Epic" was probably the beginning of memetic word proliferation to the point of national fatigue. Last year was "beta", a word so annoying I continually block the memory of it from my mind. The unifying factor for them all is the dramatic shift in meaning to something completely at odds with the actual definition, usually when illiterate mouth-breathers and children start echoing it because they think it's a cool inclusive word. When the word shows up in local news broadcasts it's officially dead.

And .223 is really good at killing things.
>>32394102
>FMJ's

The best thing about this thread is that most people who own a .223 caliber rifle and hunt with it, and have brought down game with it probably wont even bother to grace the idiotic OP with a (You).

5.56 NATO is objectively better in most use cases, aka killing a <300 pound animal at <300 yards. It's lighter, quieter, cheaper, and easier to shoot.
7.62 real fuckin' NATO is a viable alternative that can do more than just the average work at the cost of increased weight, report, cost, and recoil.
Which you should use depends on how often you need to shoot something really big and/or really far away, not internet memes. One is not better for everyone, otherwise the other would not exist. You all suck and I hate you.

>>32394177
>hurr durr
Depends on the bullet, barrel, and shot placement. M855 needs a 20" barrel to have enough velocity to tumble instead of icepicking clean through. M193 does pretty well from shorter barrels against soft targets but sucks against body armor. M855A1 has reliable component separation from both 14.5" and 20".

And I guarantee you there's plenty of "hit by 7.62 and kept going" stories out there you idiot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

>>32394276
So you're saying out of the hundreds of different .30 caliber rounds that have ever been used in war, no one has ever survived multiple shots from one?

No one in WWI or WWII ever survived multiple shots from an enemy rifle?

You realize 7.62x39 is .30 cal, right? No one has ever taken multiple rounds of AK fire and lived?

I garuntee more people have survived .30 cal wounds than 5.56 just for the simple fact that so many countries have gone to war with a .30 cal rifle.

>>32394276
There are a ton of Medal of Honor winners who lived to prove you stupid.

>>32391669
Hunting with 308? Are you a girl, a cripple or both?

>>32394522
>no Oxford comma
Are you a mentally handicapped, adopted, or both?

>>32394577
>using the serial comma
>ever
How was community college?

>>32394522
.308 isn't even that good for hunting.

>.270 and 30-30 for deer
>8mm and .300 WM for elk

>>32392351
30-06 is worse in every way, and there's not much of a difference in cost when reloading

>>32394597
>serial comma
>also known as Oxford comma or Harvard comma
>community college

>>32394612
>.308 isn't even that good for hunting
What is, Elk and Hogs?

>>32394612
>8mm and .300 WM for elk
Decided to google what were some recommended rounds for elk hunting. Right in the middle of a bunch of hunters magazines/websites talking about .300 mag and 8mm, was .50BMG.

>>32394673
8mm and .300 WSM are better elk hunting rounds than .308 is.

As for hog hunting there are still rounds that are better than .308. 5.56 and 7.62x39 are objectively better hog hunting rounds.

>>32394709
That's more or less because of the distances some elk hunters shoot from.

>>32394712
>As for hog hunting there are still rounds that are better than .308. 5.56 and 7.62x39 are objectively better hog hunting rounds.

That depends on how many hogs you're killing at one time and which rifle those rounds are being fired from

https://youtu.be/QoTmXyTuE5I?t=521

>>32394712
I know, I just live in one of those weird cities where it's surrounded by nothing but hunting counties, yet in my city there's only one gun store and they literally only sell 30-06 and .308. And I'm too lazy to online order or drive 90+ miles to Brownwood and visit a real gun store.

All I got is .308 and it's worked ok so far

>>32392122
>7mag
Dad uses one for moose. Heard no complaints, I'm gonna grab one for my first serious hunting rifle.

>>32391669
No and no.

With the proper ammo 5.56/.223 is extremely versatile, and VERY good at killing things 350lbs and under. Good enough that when compared to larger calibers with the same bullet there is very little difference.

>>32391735
Fed Fusion, Fusion MSR, Speer Gold Dot, Federal LE Barrier Blind, Winchester Super-X, and Fiocchi's 62gr softpoint all are 60-70 cents a round and are good hunting rounds. People ROUTINELY hunt and successfully 1-shot-kill black bear here with 5.56 AR's using Winchester Super-X, which Cabelas has for about 55 cents a round all the time.

>>32391750
But they really can't.
>english speaking world
So...Japan and England. Both of which have nearly-complete firearms bans.

>>32394789
Then why is English still the EU's chief language?

>>32392070
Don't forget the difference in measuring technique. NATO proofs at the front of the chamber (IE, where the barrel wall is thickest). SAAMI proofs directly over the middle of the chamber.

>>32394728
A majority of hog hunting is pest control, at least around my area. ARs, Mini 14s, and a variety of different AKs in x39 and x54 are the norm for hog hunting around here.

The main disadvantage in hog hunting with .308 is that there isn't very many semi-auto .308 platforms that are relatively cheap and available and most hog hunters tend to stick to semi auto over manually operated platforms.

>>32394817
Because they need to be able to ask Uncle Sam for assistance the first time anything bad happens since they're a total joke of a governmental body with a total joke of a military.

Please, name all the countries that aren't the US where over 50% of the population speaks English fluently.
>protip: That'd be Ireland, the UK, Japan, and Canada

>>32394597
I see you regularly say "you want fries with that?"

>>32394869
Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Sweden for sure, it's part of their general education. Surely Germany, 50% is rather low. Switzerland... maybe, no bets on them.

>>32394911
No, no, no, no, and HELL no.

Right now less than 20% of Germans know any English at all.

I've been to Norway and Denmark within the last 5 years and didn't find a SINGLE PERSON that spoke English AT ALL. I don't care if it's part of their education, Spanish is part of the education in much of the US and unless there's an outside impetus to learn it most people retain none of it.

>>32394894
>>32394666
An argument weaker than 308 terminal ballistics.

>>32391770
> bragging that your grandpa likely violated your state's hunting laws because he was a cheapskate.
I bet he also didn't pay for tags because "muh rights" :^D

>>32394954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

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>>32394597

>>32394480
No, what I'm saying is a 110gr .308 varmint round will fuck your world up quicker than a 5.56.

>>32391719
>The rest of the English speaking world is tired of it.
>The rest of the English speaking world is irrelevant

FTFY

>>32395171
Ok. But .30 cal isn't just .308 you fucktard.

>>32393244
I need this 7.62x40 in a gun.

who the fuck cares? it's not like anyone on /k/ shoots anything other than paper

>>32393244
>7.62x39 Russian
Is... there another kind? Are you sure you didn't mean x51R?

>>32391719
>Do people just use cuck randomly im a sentance now?
>now

Have you been asleep for the last year?

>>32391750
No, they are cucks.

>>32392122
>>32391669

>You, versus the guy she tells you not to worry about

>>32395171
Nah. If a single shot of 5.56 to a body part doesn't kill someone, then nothing vital was hit. A .308 to the exact same spot wouldn't be able to do it either. It's a waste.

>>32391730
It's played out.

>>32391750
Non American enflish speaking firearm owner here. 3 are military pattern too.
Cuck is played out as an insult and you should feel bad for using it.

>>32397937
>enflish
hah, shut up cuck

>>32394045
It's really more of a /tv/ thing.

>>32391686
yeah but with mag capacity limits you should get the most destructive rounds and learn to aim real well.

>>32391750
>>32391750
And they say burgers can't into bantz

>>32392122
Doesn't the 7mm mag and and 270 both fry barrels super quick though?

>>32394789
Then why the FUCK are they on this board. Go and stay go you nofun cucks.

>>32397951
>Booty blasted no guns detected
Must suck having no guns

>>32397966

Nope, the total number of rounds you can carry is still determined mainly by their weight/size. You can carry more loaded 5.56 10-rounders than you can .308.

That said, I live in CA and own an M1A, so I clearly think a .308 is fine too.

>>32398355
>M1A
Gross.

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>>32392276
>muh strawman
Faggot.

.223 is the perfectly efficient round, and the AR-15 was the perfectly efficient rifle for killing people until very recently.

>>32398049

Yes

>>32398712

What's wrong with it now?

>>32398812
Nothing. He's retarded.

>>32398812
Modern armor and medical care reduces its effectiveness

also, AR-15 is surpassed by rifles such as SCAR and AR160

>>32398878
>AR-15 is surpassed by rifles such as SCAR and AR160
Because? Why would you even choose the ARX160 that literally no one cares about.

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>>32398878
>Getting a scar in anything other than 7.62 nato

>>32398049
>>32398800

No, you're thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7mm_Remington_Ultra_Magnum

7mmRUM will blow through barrels like there's no tomorrow, 7mmRM has a normal barrel life.

>>32391750
Lel. That shut the poncy git up tickety boo, lad

>>32398878

Isn't m885a1 very effective versus both armor and tissue?

>>32394327
Eh, I bothered to try. Mostly because I like arguing.

>>32398878
>medical care reduces its effectiveness
Lol, no. Getting hit with a rifle round in anywhere remotely important is basically a death sentence. Surviving rifle hits is far from the norm.

>>32391719
I dont cucking know what you mean

>>32392445
Brian?

>>32398969
probably, it's too new to know for sure.

>>32393306
I took a deer at 300 yards with a 556.

What are you going to do about it?

>>32398878
The same can be said about every military caliber under .50 BMG.

An ESAPI will stop just as many rounds of M855A1 as it will M80.

>>32398812
Nothing's wrong with the bullet; people are just healthier now, better-nourished, more resilient and generally a bit larger than they used to be, so now you need a bigger bullet to kills these bigger humans.

>>32399134
>Too new
>Standard issue ammo in Afghanistan since 2010
It works.

>>32399273
M855A1 has been used since 2010??

I didn't realize it had been in use so long, only recently are samples leaking into the civvy market.

>>32399311
Yup. I'm pretty sure it's hard to get as a civilian because the ATF considers it AP pistol ammo with their fucky interpretation. That and ATK is still putting all their production to filling military orders.

>>32399150
I don't care what ammo you use, taking a shot at a elk or any animal at >100 is stupid ego bullshit or you are to lazy to get in closer.

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>>32399333
are you for real??

So... Let me get this straight..

A shot perfectly within the capabilities of the shooter and ammunition is "stupid ego bullshit" and he should "get in closer" instead?

Wtf, why?

>>32391908
Local school calendar says it starts on the 23rd. Your argument is shit.

>>32391719
shut up,cuck.

>>32399323
>I'm pretty sure it's hard to get as a civilian because the ATF considers it AP pistol ammo with their fucky interpretation.
No, it's just because they're fulfilling the military orders first.

>>32399522
That makes me happy. My stockpile is almost all XM193 but I still want a case or two of M855A1 because memes.

>>32399556
Honestly, I don't know why a civilian would bother. You can buy cheap plinking ammo and get much better stuff for actually shooting at living things.

>>32398878
>also, AR-15 is surpassed by rifles such as SCAR and AR160
How? If they fire the same round with an overhead piston they actually lose a bit of accuracy. They are bulkier with a similar weight. In dust tests with proper protocol followed AR-15 are just as reliable.

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>>32398969
It's pretty good.

>>32391686

Which is why i went with .22lr

>>32391669

It's trash outside of a 20" barrel.

>>32399700
*Only valid for M855

>>32393244

But is it really worth the trouble for slightly better performance when I can get x39 for 20 cents a round.

>>32399706

its valid for all 5.56 ammo, it doesnt achieve the velocity to fragment unless fired from a 20", m855 is just garbage period, even from a 20"

>>32399723
Oh wow, it's 2017 and this fucking meme is still going around?

>>32399616
Like I said, memes.

>>32391669
>>32399723
>>32399700
No.
http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showthread.php?415927-Stopping-power-weak-5-56-(explicit-pictures)

>>32399778
Holy shit that guys face

>>32399801
Don't get shot in the back of the head
and you wont end up like him.

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>>32399820
I...ok? I'll make sure to not get shot in the back of the head. Thanks for the advice I guess?

>>32399879
shout out to the memesters who think 556 isn't shit though.
We're not bears. It doesn't take much.

>>32399934
Someone killed a brown bear with 5.45, so I wouldn't say it takes much for them either.

>>32399993
those are very different cartridges.

>>32400028
No.

>>32400035
Yes. Don't be stupid.

>>32391669

OP skip to the part where you say that the .223 is a varmint round and that 30-06 is the only appropriate wartime caliber to use

>>32399993
What? They have very similar external and terminal ballistics.

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>>32400035
>>32400051
not really.

>>32399993
There was a guy that killed a bear with his bare teeth.

>>32400087
>7N6
>M855
How is this an even comparison? Switch it to either M193 or 7N10

M193 and 7N6 are similar enough.

>>32400132
>M995 = M855 now
No.

>>32391669
5.56 works fine for soldiers. 7.62 is overpowered considering the distances we work at. Also .223 is fine for deer and pigs. When you hunt generally you come across the animal without freaking it out; so its all about shot placement, but i dont expect /k to know anything about hunting

>>32400087
That chart is basically made up. I've never even found out where it came from.

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>>32391669

>guaranteed replies

>>32399333
You must not hunt much. There are quite a few animals that won't even let you get within 200m

>>32391735
>Muh $3 per round unobtanium

60 Cents a round Mk 262 Mod 1.

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/magtech-556-nato-ammunition-50-rounds-bthp-77-grain-754908201815.do

Enjoy

>>32391770
LGS owner told me of an indian woman (feathers not dot) that he knew who would shoot deer on the reservation with a rifle in .22LR she would hide and wait until a deer was only a few feet away before putting a round through its eye. Not saying .22LR is a great deer round but it will work when used like that.

>>32401232
I once killed a deer by throwing a knife at it.

>>32398954
speaking of barrel burners my friend has a rifle in 22-250WSSM I saw one of the rounds and it is even weirder to see in person than on google.

>>32391719
>only Europeans know the true meaning of the word cuck

Uhh Yeah we know.

>>32391719
>Replace the word Cuck with faggot or autistic 9 times out of 10 and it'll still make sense

You sounded like this to the generation before you too

>>32397937
Sorry mate but your air rifle doesn't count as a firearm in the non cucked parts of the world, only in Britbongistan

>That feel when meanwhile Ahmed and his seven wives in the flat next to you have Kalashnikovs that they plan to use in terrorist attacks

#PrayForLondon :'(

>>32394522
A poor fag with a curry Lee Enfield, that's who I am

>>32395495
I guess the m1 carbine might be good for varmints, but I don't really see what you're getting at here

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>>32401232

D-does that woman have a daughter?

>tfw no cutie native waifu to combine our tribes

>>32394480
A Redguard cop in the L.A. bank shootout in the early 90's survived i think three rounds from an AK. Tried to sue the manufacturer of the rifle too.

>>32394102

1986 miami shootout

William Matix: Smith & Wesson Model 3000 12-gauge shotgun, one round #6 shot fired. Killed after being shot six times.
Michael Platt: Ruger Mini-14 .223 Remington with folding stock, at least 42 rounds fired, S&W M586 .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired, Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired. Killed after being shot 12 times.

iirc, platt ultimatly stopped firing after being shot twice with a 12 gauge shotgun at point blank range

>another 90% shitpost thread

man this shit gets tiring

>>32392074
is there a source for this? or did you just make it up yourself?

>>32392260
>>32392325

>believing data with no cited source

>>32391686
>More rounds = more dead dudes

When the M16 was first issued it had the same twenty round magazine capacity as the M14

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>>32404720
But you could carry more mags in the same amount of weight.

>>32404762
Doesn't matter much when draftees are mag dumping into the brush because they heard a twig snap

>>32391963
lol

>>32404811
And? They'd do that with 7.62 as well.

>>32405210
I'm sure less often.

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>>32405222
Yeah, they'd hit less and run out faster.

>>32392351
Glorious 7.62x63mm

>>32394426
And I like you, it's ok to be reasonable like you are anon

>live in scandinavia
>hunt every animal known to roam the woods here

to the retards who say .308 is a meme caliber for elkhunting/moose/hunting or any other hunting.

31.000 moose was shot last year on estimate. most popular calibers to use 6,5x55, 308 then the meme caliber 30-06 for those who cant shoot.

If you know what you are doing when you are hunting you wont need fucking retard ass calibers going 100000 km/s, all that does is destroy a fuckton of good meat and nothing else.

>ITT retards arguing about shit they dont know.

bonus question, why does Americans refer to standard european barrels as premium barrels?

>>32405579
>the meme caliber 30-06 for those who cant shoot.
It's basically .308 with less guns but way better for hand load autists.

>>32394426
>quieter,
You must be retarded.

>>32405776
Pretty much the same ballistics in a factory load in a far larger casing.