The A-10 is a piece of shit that could be replaced with superior

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>>32365512
BRRRT
What? I can't BRRRT you over BRRRT sound BRRRT depleted plutoniBRRRRRRRT planefuBRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTT

>>32365558
YA-9 handled better and could carry the same payload.

The only people that love the A-10 and think it's the best shit ever made are normie dude bros that don't know shit about military aviation.

>>32365566
>handled better

>same payload

Well thats fucking wrong.

>>32365512
Why does this look like a forgfoot so much? Did the Russians take notes off it? Some one spoonfeed me.

>>32365644
The YA-9 was Northrop Grumman's submission to A-X. It handled better than the A-10, and could carry the same payload of 16,000 pounds.

As far as the resemblance to the Frogfoot, I'd reckon that it was a mere case of convergent thinking.

>>32365689
>handled better

Stop it with the shitty meme, the A-10 handled better.

The A-10 was chosen because it was more survivable.

>>32365705
>Stop it with the shitty meme, the A-10 handled better.
>The A-10 was chosen because it was more survivable.

which is it Fairchild

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>>32365512

>>32365729

Pucará?

>>32365728
It was going to be a maverick truck anon, they wanted it to launch/strafe, fly away, circle around then go back in the fulda gap. The A-10 handled better with any kind of payload and it was more survivable.

The A9 didn't carry the same payload either btw, it carried a 20mm not a 30mm.

>>32365769
You and I both know the BRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTT wasn't ready at the time.

>>32365786
Granted.

>>32365512
>post superior attack aircraft to the A-10.
loBRRRRRRTTTTTTl

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>>32365512
>Also, post superior attack aircraft to the A-10.

Ok. Here's a plane that actually killed more commies than the A-10 ever did or will.

>>32365705
>dat titanium bathtub for the pilots
>dat glorious lift ratio
>dat massive flight envelope

Its like they took a B-17 and shrank it down to a CAS. Tickets were designed to lose most of their wings and an engine but still fly.

>>32365729
>Fábrica Militar de Aviones
I really love the name of the company.

>>32365729

A FUCKING PROP

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>>32365512

The point of the A-10 is the 30mm gatling.

Otherwise im going to say the C-130 retrofitted for gunship support.
> lets just shoot a fucking tank cannon at everything, if we cant have 30mm then we will let them have 105mm

>>32367286
It's still a turbine engine that burns jet fuel

>>32365512
still salty about trumpu-sama wanting to scrap the F-35?

It's okay Lockheed

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>>32365512
Seriously? Um, 30mm BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT. You're demonstrably retarded, and I can prove it mathematically.

>>32367585
The point of the A-10 is the system, not just the gatling. Noobs see the shiny boomy bits, but the systems are what made Warthog such an effective tank and everything else killer. Mavericks, Rockeyes, other CBU and dumb bombs along with the cannon make A-10 the best CAS platform since Skyraider in SEA.

They racked up such a variety of kills in Desert Storm the crew chiefs had to get creative about kill stencils. Best one I saw taxi by had stick people.

I worked F-16 hot refuel at KKMC down the ramp from these guys. Warthogs are easy to repair and they made the most of that. Losses were light despite intense AAA and SAM opposition.

http://www.2951clss-gulfwar.com/photo_gallery/index.php/

Much love for gunships but they can't operate without total air superiority and are sitting ducks for MANPADS in daylight. A gunship is for colonial constabulary actions like Viet Nam (or Somalia, but idiots withdrew them too soon to avoid pissing off the wogs).

http://www.shadowspear.com/vb/threads/in-memory-of-spirit-03-jan-31-1991.19898/

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>>32365729

Both the YA-9 and -10 were developed before the 30mm cannon was put together; that's why the -9 doesn't have it. Had it not worked out (vibration, malfunction, etc) then either aircraft would have been armed with a pair of 30x163mm revolver cannons similar to an ADEN or DEFA cannon shooting the larger round at a much lower ROF.

Thankfully, BRRRRRRRRRT worked just fine and was adapted into the winning design. Had the YA-9 been picked it would have had the gun designed and installed into it instead, so don't take the gunless prototypes at face value.

>>32365755
Don't call me that

>>32366951
>F-105
>pulled from service and retired after sustaining greater than fifty percent losses

I love the Thud, but come on.

>>32365729
>Poorfag alternative to the A-10/Su-25.

To it's credit, if Argentina ever surpluses them, they'd make amazingly fun civvie planes.

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>>32371066
That high attrition rate is because of failed air combat policy. The top brass just didn't know how to effectively handle SA-2s and a shit ton of AAA. Don't forget putting this dedicated attack jet in in an environment where it was defenseless against enemy fighters.

Plus, any aircraft would have a high attrition rate when it's doing 75% of all airstrikes in an environment full of SAMs, 37 and 57mm AA guns, and MiGs. The F-4s that replaced them took a beating from air defenses, too.

>>32366951

> killed more commies than the A10

By fucking landing on them, maybe.

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>>32365512
You look a little rough buddy.

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>>32365512
>The A-10 is a piece of shit

Don't fall asleep.

>>32365644
Convergent design

>>32365644
of note: the Russians were actually surprised we did not take the YA-9 over the A-10. The same could be said for the YF-23, and a predecessor to the F-15.

>>32365618
MUUHHH EFF THURTY FIIIIIIIIVE
IT CAN CARRY 900 TONS OF ORDNANCE INTERNALLY AND SUPERCRUISE AT MACH 12 AND COMES STOCK WITH A LASER GUN INSTEAD OF A CANNON AND IS STEAAAALTH AND CAN TAKE OFF AND LAND FROM A GRAHAM CRACKER

FUCK OFF, ALREADY.

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SUPER TUCANO

>>32375828
>CAN TAKE OFF AND LAND FROM A GRAHAM CRACKER
kek

>>32376123
The A-X program was created for several reasons.The main one was to get a jet powered replacement for the A-1. Emphasis on jet. Are we really gonna go back in time because some goatfuckers are chimping out?

>>32376735
>Are we really gonna go back in time because some goatfuckers are chimping out?
That's the idea. Get some advanced tools because R&D is good for you and in case a super vilain finally show up, but 95% of the time all you'll have to butcher are angry goatfuckers. There's no need to spend zillions on them.

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Hawker Hunters quad 30mm gun and 600 rounds in the pack was impressive for the time

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Sexy Bird too

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>>32375828
A fucking graham cracker.

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>>32376123

Bronco is better

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>>32377485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uOn_UBINcc

>>32377585
Bronco WAS better. They don't make them any more, though revivals are mentioned just long enough to be rejected. It was hard enough to get them built in the first place, then pussified Air Force jet jocks and USMC jet jocks got rid of them despite flying much more vulnerable helicopters which are far inferior in loiter time, speed and maneuverability.

Bronco had the fastest ejection seat in the US military because it punches straight through the canopy. If you see one at an airshow note the canopy breaker atop each seat.

Bronco is extremely easy to disassemble and cannibalize parts. That's terrific for fleet maintenance and battle damage repair. We had one belly land at Sembach (pilot error, tower tapes included the warning horn going off in the background) and because Broncos are built remarkably like their plastic models replacing the fuselage was a breeze.

The cargo bay was designed to hold paratroopers. The composite door can be removed in minutes for that role. Jump lights were fitted to signal parachutists. Cargo bay was great for hauling tools and parts to support other Broncos.

Bronco could lay tactical smoke. A simple oil pump and reservior for 1010 oil gets that done. The oil is dumped into the exhaust.

AIM 7 hardpoints were included. Bronco was being considered by the RAF as a helicopter killer but nothing came of that.

Overloaded with radios in a Navy attempt to kill it by excess weight, Bronco made a great FAC. Two FM-622 for relaying Army ground comms (you could relay one thru the other at different freqs), one HF 618 T-3, one ARC-164 UHF, and one Wilcox 807 VHF AM meant Bronco could talk to the world. It was the mainstay of Cold War NATO forward air control. There was nothing else like it.

If we had Broncos in A-stan they could have loitered over Marcus Luttrell and bros for direct radio comms while hosing Taliban with WP FFAR and 4xM60 gunfire. Helicopters a shit at altitude, can't loiter + sitting ducks for ground fire.

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may I humbly recommend...

>>32373936
>>32373942

What have they done to my baby?

>>32375569
The Russians also shit themselves in terror watching what NATO pulled off in Gulf War 1.

>>32380184
Meanwhile in real life americans shat themselves in terror realising their best rounds still can't penetrate K-5. Had to rush the development and it still took americans 8 years and the fall of the USSR to shit out one that is at least capable to do shit to heavy ERA. Still to this day no proofs it can penetrate the armour behind it.

>>32380294
>ERA
>adding any meaningful amount of RHAe against KEPs

Way to drink the koolaid, Sergei. 500 billion rubles ($0.05 USD) have been transferred to your account.

Wonder what name the A-9 would have gotten if it got past the YA-9 phase.

>>32380451
>Any Russian ERA newer than K-1
>Not adding any meaningful amount of RHAe against KEPs
American education.

>>32371066
>>32371414

what this guy said. dont shit on the loss rate when their main AO was fucking north vietnam in the late 60s.

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No love for the B-26K?

>>32375828
but anon that's unironically what you spreyfags sound like.

>>32380029
Thank you anon if you're still there. I was only aware of half of this.

>>32365512

IIRC it had gun smoke ingestion problems.

>>32365618
>The only people that love the A-10 and think it's the best shit ever made are normie dude bros that don't know shit about military aviation.

It is best manned aircraft in US inventory for COIN, missions... bit too expensive to run compared to turboprops, but USAF is allergic to any simple and cheap solutions.

>>32365644
>Why does this look like a forgfoot so much?

Same rules of aerodynamics apply on both communist and capitalist aircraft.

>>32381831
wtf is that

An updated P61 black widow?

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>>32383081

No. Slightly upgraded WWII A-26. It is really a bomber as much as attack aircraft, but there was already B-26 Marauder. They redesignated it once Marauder was retired.

P-61 has completely different fuselage, twin boom tail.

>>32383105
>Twin tail
>Lack of gunner position + observer
I am fucking retarded.

>>32365558
>>>/Reddit/

>>32383027
>>32375828
This

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Well yea the A10 is neato with its BRRRRRRT gun but I think we must step up our game here folks.

>>32383133
O shit

I think the geneva convention bans the use of more than one deagle in one aircraft

>>32383241

What if one of deagles is deagle brand deagle and other is jewish deagle meant to stop cars or possibly even tanks by shooting trough engine block?

>>32380042
This.

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>>32365729
>only 5 million each
>mini a10
Just get a bunch of conscripts and sergrush the enemy

Why post turboprop planes for missions after its 1960s expiration date?

>>32385773
That's exactly my policy. Given the history of military mistakes, the smaller is better. Instead of building the Bismarck and Tirpitz, totally useless, the Germans could have built hundreds of U-Boots, far more efficient, but with all those ressources they could also have built thousands and thousands of planes from any type, and Great Britain would have been defeated even before the blocus was an option...

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>>32372223

>A-10 never deployed in the Cold War

>F-105D, -F- and -G flew thousands of sorties in Vietnam

As always is said in all these threads the A-10 is no longer a relevant aircraft with its current flight profiles and mission planning.

With Sniper Pod integration and better guided munitions, the A-10's fulfill the same bomb taxi missions at Med-High altitudes that F-16, F-15, F-18 and B-1's all already perform except vastly slower which makes it an obsolete platform with it's current utilization.

>>32386840
Experienced pilots can be more valuable than the planes they fly, the Soviet Union produced thousands of aircraft throughout the second world war yet only actually performed well during the last two years. You can't zerg rush with an air force, its failed every time so far.

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>>32380029

You realize the US military made two new ones and they were helping out over in iraq right

>>32388332
>You can't zerg rush with an air force
Air force vs infantry: air force wins
Air force vs tanks: air force wins
Air force vs navy: air force wins
...
Seriously, build planes, cheap planes, numerous planes, and profit...

>>32388332
Soviet pilots often had single digit flight hours before going into combat for the first time. Most of it was spent practicing take off and landing, and usually not with the plane they would actually go into combat with. They are kind of an extreme example.

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>>32365512
>not replaced with pic related

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>>32380141
its mostly there.

>>32388915
Cute, but Warthog has higher intakes for better FOD resistance. Engine changes on A-10 are easy compared to pulling and pushing them inside a fuselage. They are also further apart so a disintegrated turbine or fan won't take both engines out.

When you consider aircraft, consider battle damage tolerance and ease of maintenence because they are vital components of the total package.

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>>32389092
have some more history. im bored.

>>32388375
They didn't "make two new ones", they uprgraded two old airframes to "G+" configuration. That's very different because while it's easy to overhaul Bronco it's much less easy to tool up for new production.

I follow Bronco and other light aircraft issues since I worked on them at Sembach AB.

There isn't a large pool of used OVs because many were sold off as USAF TASS and USMC units were disbanded. They still operate globally under other flags.

>>32389132
That's just the right size for my living room and already on casters. Me want.

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>>32389261
fastest nosecone on earth.

>>32389092
When I was taking an engines course in high school, I did a project on the A-10's design and history. I fell in love with the thing that year. She's the ultimate in open-ended tech. Did you know that the engine parts are completely interchangeable, no mirroring needed? And you can slap just about any sheet metal on the thing and she'll fly. Most of her fuel plumbing is contained in her fuel tanks, so leaks aren't a big issue.
>>32389132
Is that an X-15?

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>>32375828

>>32389132
>you will never park a Ford Fusion under a Chawnee

>>32389132

I want to fuck that

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>>32365512
Good little goy! keep shilling against the A-10 until the F-35 is fully delivered! 10 shekels have been deposited into your Goldman Sachs account.

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>>32373936

>>32383133
>Not tigerstripe deagle

>>32373936
>>32373942
Strangely, I feel the same emotion sing an old war bird like that as I do when I see the old Vietnam vets at the nursing home I volunteer at.

>>32371066

Extensive losses happened because it was the best aircraft for strike missions in USAF arsenal. F-111 was available only in limited number at last phases of war.

>>32389315

X-15 > SR-71

>>32377585
>>32380029

Bronco confirmed for 3rd plane built in Kerbal Space Program

>>32380042
Unfortunately their engines are not only a nightmare to maintain, but they are also very fragile.
Fit them turboprops and then we'll have something to talk about.

>>32373942
>>32373936
>>32380141
>>32390948
I was at the air museum off of March ARB like two months ago and saw the A-9. Think the one in the OP pic is that one. It was sitting there, complete.