Getting pretty tired of /k/ and how everyone here is wrapped

>>32363344
>Is there any good forums
welcome to /k/, now Git tha fuck out!

>>32363344
No because talking about drills isnt actually going to make you any better at them and most gun owners dont actually do drills in the dirst place.

>>32363344
There was a thread about this around a week ago.

Just start another once this 404s rather than whining and asking us to tell you where else to post.

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>>32363344
>Getting pretty tired of /k/ and how everyone here is wrapped up in the consumer/gear side of shooting
>posts Travis Haley

Woo, nigger.

>>32363344
How many inches apart do you spread your feet when shooting in a modified isosceles stance when engaging a target at 23 1/2 feet? Can't get a reliable answer.

>>32363543
roughly shoulder width

>>32363344
>Insults a group of people
>Expacts them to help him
We'd lad.

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>why do you people talk about things you want to talk about?
>why don't you talk about what I want to talk about?

because you are a faggot.

>>32363555
Wow, can you be anymore vague? I thought you wanted a serious discussion about training and drills?

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what do you guys think of my finish?

>>32363344
Hey OP, I discovered a great new tool you might like. It allows you to find things on the Internet, it's called "Google."

No need to thank me, OP, my thanks is bringing the light of knowledge to those who wander in the darkness of ignorance and stupidity.

That would require people on this board to actually own guns

>>32363661
It's the pits.

>>32363661
Makes it look like the gun is severely corroded.

>>32363344
You know you can start your own communist anti-consumer threads, right? Just expect to be called a faggot commie every once in a while.

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>>32363344
If /k/ wasn't the best forum I'd have left a long time ago.

Weebs and legitimate faggots permeate this site like leftist leaning in the media.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against gay people, but a good 40% of 4chan is beyond your normal faggot.

But I'm still here, aren't I?

>>32363661
I don't see any cum anywhere.

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>>32363344

Why don't you make a thread, like "Post your best marksmanship guide" or something? This one is ruined.

With that in mind, what you want to hear is that "People generally do the easy thing". Great, but what makes you different? Also, training is vastly more expensive than owning. Finally, training is useless to virtually everyone outside of active SOF, and while they masturbate about it on here, they know it deep down.

Let's say you were a highly motivated person and went shooting all the time. You would have two logical steps:

1. Quit and do something productive.
2. Compete on professional level in shooting competitions.

At those points, you are not posting here anymore. /k/ stuff is a circle jerk and entertainment, so that easily explains the lack of people who "know what they are doing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligUEAJH25E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnhr08aIJs

>>32363988

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j22CGzs5Vik

>>32363661
i think thats pretty fuckin cool

>>32363532
>talks shit about travis haley
>actually recognizes travis haley

maybe stop worrying so much about travis haley and get your own shit straight.
I had no idea who that faggy looking guy was, but I could tell he can shoot.
not op btw.

>>32364028
Yeah he did great shooting when he ND'd on camera

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>>32363716
Yep. Half the people posting all their expert advice don't even own the guns.

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>>32364017
thanks
the gun was kept in a nasty leather case for who knows how long. the bore is still good though.

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>>32364028

This.

>>32364039

>Yeah he did great shooting when he ND'd on camera

He still shoots a hundred times better than you, despite pushing bullshit like webm related from time to time.

>>32364046

Owning a gun is not an accomplishment. Taking pride in owning a gun is like /a/ taking pride in knowing anime and taking pride in it.

>>32364094
Shoot better than me or not he is an unsafe fuck.
Times I've ND'd: 0
Times he's ND'd: >=1

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>>32363988
>>32364094

One more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucBURfCXx9s

>>32364120

That's great, have an image.

>>32364149
THIDF GIT

>>32363344
http://www.saveourguns.com/Ar_Marks_Un_Pistol_Train_Guide.pdf

But, really, do you think anyone on /k/ cares about learning to be a better shooter? From other online retards, no less?

>>32363577
Get some sleep.

>>32363543
>engaging at 23.5 feet
>not 7.62 meters

Stay pleb.

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>>32363344
>Insult board
>Ask board for help

God damn you're fucking stupid.

>>32364120

Haley is a meme like Costa.

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>>32364090
>pemington

>>32364094
>that meme grip
>that sloppy grip transfer
>that 9mm carbine
>that lack of fire discipline

Yeah, he sure is a great shooter.. yup yup.

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>>32363577
Now that's a shitpost

im starting to get convinced the only people worth talking to about guns are those who don't talk about guns

>>32364710
Good, you know where the door is.

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>>32363344
This place, like so many others, is full of gear queers who don't do much shooting at all and way to many nogunz yuropoor gamers. There are a few forums out there for those who put in a lot of trigger time. The Brian Enos forums are a good place, and the Doodie Project. These are both competition focused forums, but, both places with guys who are shooting 20k+ rounds/year. You won't find patch threads there or discussion on Rhodie vaporware.

>>32364094
>pride
if you don't own or shoot guns you aren't exactly in a place to give sound advice on them are you?

>comes to 4chan for actual advice
>gets upset when the /k/ version of figure collectors post about things

>>>/opchan/
is a better home for your autism.

>>32364975
>if you don't own or shoot guns you aren't exactly in a place to give sound advice on them are you?
This is /k/, a place where documented and verifiable experience is considered a liability and gets shouted down by a legion of nogunz experts.

I always loved when I posted match video and the experts came out of the shadows to tell me how bad I sucked despite being A class in Steel and wining my division at IDPA (sometimes by as much as 40 seconds).

This place will always be full of those who know nothing at all but blather on like they do and they're experienced experts.

>>32364806

on the PSR side of the house there's SnipersHide.

Benchrest has 6mmBR.

not sure about bullseye or the clay disciplines or olympic or smallbore.

i need to get un-hurt so i can compete again.

>>32365005

apparently flying fighters for a living doesn't qualify me to talk about air combat.

>>32364806
>>32365005
This. It comes with the territory. 4chan's boards are all more or less general/intro tier in their own respective specialties.

Make your own thread about shooting or actually go into a competition for yourself. Put yourself out there, and stop whining about what people do here.

>>32363344
Does anybody have the link for this video from the webm?

>>32364758
the door to the internet?

is that in your grandsons room?

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>>32365036

*PRS

>>32365048

yeah i think that's part of it. /k/ is a generalist board, and posting about how you hand-fit a new PT EVO grip on your 2011 gets you a lot of "gross those holes kys"

>>32365048
>Make your own thread about shooting or actually go into a competition for yourself.

I do and I do. The created thread generate nothing but jealousy and rage. God forbid you share a match video. You'll get banned for that, but, sell patches and that's fine.

The only reason I post anything here is to see the rage that will result from staying on topic and totally relevant to weapons. Ready, watch.

Here's me falling down, not getting a DQ and getting center mass on the targets. I'd love to say this is something I practice all the time, but, I think it was a lot more luck and know the rules and planning for this sort of thing to happen.

https://youtu.be/SCq8xcxLeqs

>>32363344
Id love for /k/ to be focused more on techniques than spending habits. Start posts that discuss it. Id love it if /k/ migrated to operatorchan where topics could be organized a little more, but /k/ will always be /k/

>>32363344
>im tired of how things are and i do nothing to help prevent that or bring any meaningful content
and stay out

>>32365088
You catch hate for being one of the shittiest tripfags this place has ever seen, quite an accomplishment in its own right, but burning through three trips with permabans and then creating a troll YouTube channel to spam here is going to be seen as annoying by non spergs. If you want a sympathetic audience, go suck Nutn's cock and fly your autism flag proud.

>>32365088
you are confusing jealousy and rage with namefag hate and trolling.

>>32364094
Bretty good

>>32365098

operatorchan has always been a cancerous tripfag circlejerk since day 1.

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>>32365088
>The created thread generate nothing but jealousy and rage. God forbid you share a match video. You'll get banned for that

That's a shame dude, I'm not on /k/ often but I appreciate you getting the word out there. I participate in matches once in awhile(got into it recently) and there's something about going and shooting for yourself and seeing others shoot that gives you a lot of confidence and perspective on what's REALLY important.

I could not believe, for example, how many failures of 1911's there are. Or how tunnel vision really does hit you. Really gave me a bit of perspective. Also, running and gunning is a COMPLETELY different experience than single lane paper shooting.

If only /k/ would try out matches themselves you would see the posturing and all that noise drop INSTANTLY when they realize 80 year old guys with oxygen tanks shoot better and faster than they do.

>I'd love to say this is something I practice all the time, but, I think it was a lot more luck and know the rules and planning for this sort of thing to happen.
oh for sure, you can dry practice and stuff but there's not really a way to simulate live fire and dozens of pairs of eyes judging you the same way at home(unless you have land and other family members that shoot competitively)

>>32365162
I don't know if I should applaud that you dropped the name or tell you to turn it back on. So I'll just call you a faggot, faggot.

>>32365141
No, they're pretty much the same thing going by another name. It's the way it's always been here and always will be.

>>32365138
>three trips
Your count is off. This place doesn't even rank as on of the top 20 referral sources for my channel views. Its' like your read absolutely nothing I posted above.

Maybe you hate that I'm over 40.
Maybe you hate that I own a lot of toys
Maybe you hate that that I shoot a lot for competition and fun
Maybe you hate that I'm covered under LEOSA
Maybe you hate that that you can't run me off
Maybe you hate that that I've been here for almost a decade
Maybe you hate that I've traveled the world and shot on three continents.

I really don't care which one it is. I'll keep posting weapons posts and videos. You anger is for you to deal with.

>>32365162
Competition 1911's are a joke. They ever run right.
Once you add some movement, everything changes and you quickly realize that what you did in a single lane with a single target wasn't enough.
Timers are fun when they induce that stress when you first start shooting matches. Once that goes away, you get real competitive

>>32365199
I'm not that dude, I swear. I just like matches because aside from being fun they're SUPER educational in the sense that you see what works and what doesn't.

It's also the closest thing you can get to real life shootings at least for a civilian. That we have them in the US and that they're so prolific is something /k/ should DEFINITELY take advantage of. You're literally missing out on a gem of an activity especially with how shit on guns are.

>>32365088
>Ready, watch
And like clockwork.

>>32365138
>>32365141
>>32365199

See how fast that happens?

Ready for some more. How about shooting a full auto FAL in South African, one that belongs to the South African Police Services and was used during the last gasp of Apartheid and the township uprisings.

https://youtu.be/WKvt1xQBznQ

>>32363577
Wow you did it.

>>32365005
Maybe don't shoot faggot steel at 7 yards.

>>32365209

you'd think you'd see more Open Glocks/CZ/Tanfos then.

guns that get shot in competition tend to break more often because they're shot more often.

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You can go on youtube and listen to hours and hours of advice from people who have actually plugged nogs.

Unsub from sootch and nutnfancy.

>implying that anyone on /k/ has decent advice to begin with
>implying
>inplying
>inferring

What the fuck do you want from a bunch of edgy teenagers?

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>>32363661
Out would really get that old thermos look if you had gone with green.

>>32365224
>being fun they're SUPER educational
Given the number of /k/ommandos in the SE PA area, I've tried to get guys to come out to steel shoots and IDPA. No luck. There's always and excuse. I have two theories as to why, but, they don't really matter. Yes, the matches are very educational and humbling for a new comer who things their shit doesn't stink. I have a great story about the USAF security forces kid who came out and it was constant bitching and blame for his poor performance. He wasn't getting that it was a learning experience and really didn't learn what he could have.

>>32365253
Steel is a hit or miss game and it's all about speed. Distance is irrelevant. Per the rules, 7 yard is the closes which also happens to the Tueller line (I'll just make the mistake and assume you know what the Tueller line is and why it's so important.)

>>32365261
Open division is like F1 racing. You're shit is either flawless on that day or it leave you broken in the pits trying to figure out what went wrong before the next match.

>>32365209
Nah, no one minds you posting videos, but...

If you're gonna brag, make sure the video looks impressive. No one cares about your time when you're clipping the arm of a silouette at easy ranges. If you can't center of mass, no ones gonna be impressed.

Namefagging is just gonna get you trolled.

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>>32363344
What do you expect from a board where half or more of the posters are noguns? Threads are dedicated to "muh meme patches" and "muh milsurp camo" as well as weebshit faggotry. Some of the /k/ulture is ok, but there is too much bs that prevents some decent discussion/information sharing. Plus attention seeking tripfaggots shit up every thread they are in and contribute nothing.

>>32365283
Jesus christ Hunter, put your fucking trip back on so I can filter you

>>32365283
>Tueller line

I shouldn't have to tell you why you'd be stabbed if you only clipped his shoulder then.

>>32365283

well given how many guys carry a backup Tanfo in Production to a match...

i'm not at the point where i have a match only gun, though. that's always weirded me out.

at least i figured out last week that my failures to feed were 100% ammo related. now to get my shoulder and ankles healed up because the best part of my game is that i can run faster than most people competing.

>>32365315
I think I'll be a tripfag now, prepare for shitposting

>>32365345
>the best part of my game is that i can run faster than most people competing

Top kek.

>>32365352
See
>>32364806
>>32365005
>>32365088
>>32365209
>>32365236
>>32365283
Somebody beat you to it this thread.

>>32365365

it helps to be 30 years old in this sport while having a job that encourages you to keep yourself in shape.

>>32365297
>clipping the arm of a silouette
again. It's hit or miss scoring and it's for speed. Maybe you're a FUDD an everything is slow and bullseye. That's cool, bullseye is dying for a reason and it can use some influx of new, younger, FUDDS.

>>32365334
I had a video up that had 5 shots on 5 targets, from the holster in 2.1 seconds. The Tueller drill is 2 shots on the same target in 1.5. For me, it's not a challenge.

It would be so much easier if you knew a thing or two about steel shooting, the game of it, the scoring, and the results. So much easier.

>>32365372
Yep. See.
>>32365088

>>32363577
You are one obnoxious fuck lord

>>32363607
Ok, exactly shoulder width. Where the outer edges of your feet fall on a vertical line drawn down from the outer edges of your shoulders.

Footwear and clothing can complicate this, because they can give you artificially inflated numbers. To establish true optimum foot placement you need to be barefoot and shirtless. It's also best if you take the measurements early in the day, before you've done much walking or standing. Either of these activities can cause the feet to flatten and spread slightly.

Once you determine your ideal foot spread, you can get dressed and start working on the calculations necessary for compensating for footwear.

Ideally, you'll wear the same shoes to the range every time. Measure the width of the soles at the widest point, then do the same with your bare feet. Subtract the second measurement from the first, divide by 2, add the results for both feet together, and this gives you your exact foot placement for when you're wearing shoes. Do this calculation for every pair of shoes you own, including those fluffy MLP slippers that you only wear around the house.

Is that detailed enough for you? Not the anon you were responding to, btw.

>>32363344
Ar15.com

But they're gonna disregard you because you didn't join in 2001 and say ignorant shit then block you and report you.

I know from experience

>>32363344
You need to find a competition that closely represents the kind of training you do (or want to do), then find the forum that is dedicated to that style of competition.

The problem with your request -outside of competition- is that there is actually very little training that goes on in most shooting communities, so there is little talk of it..

>>32365390
Just to be clear, I wasn't laughing at you

Just imagining old dudes and fat guys trying to run around being tacticool

>>32365036
Benchrest also has, Benchrest Central. 6mmBR and Accurateshooter.com are the same if you are looking.

Service Rifle, Across the Course, National Matches:
http://www.usrifleteams.com/forum/

Long Range Prone Rifle:
http://www.usrifleteams.com/lrforum/

Olympic Smallbore, Olympic Pistol, Bullseye pistol:
http://targettalk.org/

>>32365470
I get the sport, but it is only gonna get laughed at on /k/

No one outside of the steel shoot community cares, since it's useless in a self defence situation if you can't actually land solid hits.

It makes it look like you got lucky/had a good day, not like you're actually very good.

>>32365939

i still get my butt kicked by the old dude shooting Open though.

the fact that factory .40 makes my 2011 a single shot jam-o-matic doesn't help. fortunately Precision Delta and Atlanta Arms sell long .40

>>32365963

/k/ is also convinced that olympic riflery takes no skill since you wear a jacket and shoot a nice anshutz .22 and can put it on a rest between shots. i'm sure they're also sure they can outshoot Kim Rhode with her Perazzi using only a 18" 590 riot gun.

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>>32363344
>is there anywhere that a bunch of outcast pimply misfits of highschool age and college age autists dont go?

yes there are lots of good gun forums without a 60% anime-loving transvestite user base.

no im not going to name them here and risk spreading the cancer

>>32363344
Nah this place is mostly full of fags the army wouldn't take because they're flat footed and overweight. Some of them claim to still eat MRE's and have just had the shits for 6 years.

Most of these idiots probably can't shoot worth shit.

>>32365963
>since it's useless in a self defence situation
Speed and hitting an 8" plate are useless?
>defence =/= defense.
So self defense is probably banned where you live.

What do I know about defensive shooting? It's not like that's something taught to every LEO in basic training and the annual continuing ed classes. Shit I only qualified last year with a 118/120 and a 100% on the shoot/no shoot laser shot simulator with .16 splits between center mass shots.

It would be great if you went to steel shoot, but, we know that's not going to happen. So you can keep armchair QB'ing from Canada or England.

>>32366267
For what it's worth, I've seen some of your other threads and appreciate that you at least try and discuss guns on a level beyond brand memery. Don't let the nogunz shitposters rile you up too much.

>>32366400
>Don't let the nogunz shitposters rile you up too much
They always try with the same juvenile antics we've seen above. They just highlight why this board will always be what it's always been.

Let's face it, when a high number of posts revolve around hiding your nugget under your bed so your mom doesn't find it, there isn't a lot of hope for this place. That's why competition threads die so fast and patch posts thrive. If we started talking about shot timers, splits and fun like that. They'd blow a gasket.

>>32363344
You do know that you are allowed to start your own thread? Kind of like you just did? About anything /k/ related you want? GTFO

>>32365066
>what are idioms for 200 Alex?

>>32366453

As I said elsewhere, flying fighters for a living makes me less qualified to talk about air combat, bombing, SEAD/DEAD, CAS, etc. than a guy who plays DCS.

Anyway since I'm at REI now, I currently wear older road running shoes when I compete because they're light. Gravel and grass bays, lightweight hiking boots if it's muddy/cold. Any reason to get Salomons?

>>32366491
>Any reason to get Salomons?
Trail running shoes? Grip on those stones seems to be the popular answer. I think the return on the investment is really small. Salomans are expensive. In the warmer weather I shoot in the same shoes I run in. New Balance 1080s after I've cycled them out of the running rotation after 350 miles. Then again, for all the crazy trail running I did I always wore road shoes on trail. I never liked the more firm less flexible sole of trail shoes.

>>32366522
That's pretty much what I'm doing. Blown out shoes aren't nearly as much of a pain when you're running maybe 100m.

>>32366554
I never got the Salomon crazy. I think it's people looking to gear for a competitive edge when the gear isn't the problem and the money would be better spend on more ammo and match fees.

I've never had an issue where I said "man, these 1080's didn't give me the traction I needed at the match. The fall video I posted had nothing to do with footwear, it was all in the footwork and me being about 8" short on where I should have placed my leading foot. Took the fall, got the shots, didn't get a DQ. So I was happy with a little bit of blood on the knees and a good video to tell the story.

>>32366589

One of the things about the sport is gear queerness though. Like do I really need an Alpha X when I have a Race Master? Probably not, but it's a better design and less likely to work itself loose under the weight of the gun as I walk around. So I'll probably get one.

>>32366795
Sure and there are things that do make a difference that you can measure. The holster and is really important. With a holster you can measure draw speed. I know some people think a 1/10 of a second isn't that much, but, over 10 stages that's a full second of time and a sport where the first ten shooters can be with in a second of each other, a 1/10 does really matter.

>>32366864

It's the same insert on the Alpha X and Race Master. My draw isn't really going to be faster with an Alpha X, though having the correct insert would smooth things out. It's more having a more secure holster since the pivot point is closer to the center of mass of the gun, and not having to slather red loctite and bring Allen wrenches to every match. The added consistency might be worth it, but it's not really going to shave too much off that drawing daily on a par timer wouldn't fix.

>>32366899
>not having to slather red loctite and bring Allen wrenches to every match
That alone would be enough to make me make the switch. That sounds like a royal pain in the ass.

>>32364217
At least Haley can swim. Costa can't.

>>32366267
>Speed and missing center mass is useless?
Yes.
>So self defense is probably banned where you live.
Nope, castle law.
>What do I know about defensive shooting?
A reasonable amount I'd guess.
>It would be great if you went to steel shoot, but, we know that's not going to happen.
Got me there, not a big thing where I live. I prefer precision target shooting.

>Canada or England
Why not France? But, I'm actually from Murica.

>>32367325
>But, I'm actually from Murica.
And yet you spell with British English. Nice try. Your local PC settings would show defence as a misspelling and you would have grown up spelling it defense.

How about you do this for us. Take pick of one of your firearms, with a $10 bill and a power outlet in the pic. Time stamped of course. I bet we're not going to see the standard type a or b outlet with U.S. currency.

I bet you can't do that.

>This is what you losing looks like.

>>32365283
>I'll just make the mistake and assume you know what the Tueller line is and why it's so important.)

You are now aware that the 21 foot rule is being reanalyzed by Martinelli & Associates, because it turns out there's no valid science behind it. Which John Tueller stated when he first came up with the drill, but you already knew that, right?

I'll just make the assumption that you know who Martinelli & Associates are, and why they're important to LE in the US.

>>32367702
I will, but only if you agree to post a pic of your favorite handgun next to a toaster and an electric kettle.

>>32368003
It took you long enough to dig on that. The line is really 30ft today and there doesn't need to be academic science. If you're letting someone get within 30' of you and their armed with any weapon, you better be out of the holster and on them. It takes most people .22 seconds to even react to the movement of a threat and another 1 second to get out of the holster. Try coming back when you become a LEO, which I am, and tell me about what some academics are studying from the comfort of an office.

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>>32368092
Game on shithead.

>this is what you losing looks like. How is england this time of year? Sun down by 3pm?

>>32368003
>Martinelli & Associates are, and why they're important to LE in the US

They're not important. They're an extension of the law firm and what they do is for use it courts. Now if it was NIJ/DOJ/FBI doing the study, there might some validity since what they study will certainly make into municipal officer training around the country.

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>>32368146
>Euro-Pro Toaster
kek


Uh oh, you got me.

>>32368365
Wow, you actually delivered. It only took you like an hour and there no timestamp in the photo...Outstanding. Why can't you correctly spell defense?

>>32366589
That blood on your knees isn't from falling at a match

>>32368457
Original bro, so original. We'll just put you under the nogunz jelly column.

>>32368095
>doesn't need to be academic science

Try explaining that in court, sometime.

>>32368095
>tell me about what some academics are studying from the comfort of an office.

"Dr. Martinelli is a retired law enforcement officer who directs the nation's only multidisciplinary civilian Forensic Death Investigation Team at Martinelli & Associates, Inc. "

Source: http://m.policemag.com/article/2742/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule

>>32368486
>jelly
How do you expect to draw your weapon when youre carrying 5 boxes of jelly donuts to your police moped?

>>32364187
What was it?

>>32368499
Martinelli isn't relevant. You may think they are based a few articles they write, but they're just hacks selling "science" to the highest bidder.

Graham v. Connor is what matter in Le use of force. Not armchair science from a one off law firm.

>>32368555
You should try reading that totally inconclusive article that has nothing to back it up. That's like the first thing you found on Google.

>>32368410
>Why can't you correctly spell defense?
Because I'm English

>>32368567
Just the ultimate shitpost.

>>32368576
What does this have to do with you being unable to hit a man at 7 yards?

>>32368675
Right, are you back on that? You have some more videos to watch. You can watch me put two center mass shots on the move on a moving target followed by center mass shots when falling.

You Brits are as good at trolling as you are at tooth care.

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>>32365054
It was a short clip from his instagram feed.

>>32368675
https://youtu.be/LTts1ug6Yks

Zoom ahead to 1:30 for the fun stage. 35 yard shots on the droppers on the move.

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>tfw you're strongly considering on selling all of your Sigs, your M&P's and your Berretas and just going all Glock for familiarity

>>32368716
>center mass shots when falling

I saw that one, hilarious.

>>32368818
Center mass is center mass. That's something you stand in place and shoot guys don't really get. There is no 10 ring. And the clock matters.

>>32368146
Is that what they call a toaster in Euroland?

Where I'm from, we call that a toaster-oven. A toaster is a gizmo with 2 or 4 slots in the top, that you drop bread slices into. Then magic happens, and you get toast.

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>>32368754
I'm not sure you hit that dropper until you were at 25 yards. And we're looking at more than 3 shots taken.

Bob: I don't know, Jim, clearly he's an alright shot, but just how good is he?

Jim: I'd say 8/10, Bob

>>32368911
That's true, he never proved he isn't a Eurofag.

I bet he doesn't even have a slotted toaster over there in France.

>>32368956
Look at the clearly visible type a plug on the toaster. Dope!

>>32368925
IDPA is a game and dumping shots is part of that, it drives where and when you reload versus where the stage designer was trying to force a reload on a target halfway into two shots on one target. Plus this wasn't a limited Vickers scoring stage so there's no penalty for the dumped rounds.

>>32368966
But where is the plug?

>Checkmate, someguns.

>>32369011
In the photo, moron.

>>32369011
Er, outlet.

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>>32363344
>Operator General:
>Discussion of training techniques, tactical doctrines (individual & squad), and performance assessment (target analysis, footage, etc)

>May extend to application of equipment, weapons, and technology (comms, thermals/NVG's) in the context of the preeminent topics mentioned initially.

Any fellow /OG/'s out there?

checked

>>32369037
Sorry, I got my fake english mixed up.

>>32369053
Maybe you don't know the difference between a plug and an outlet. That seems to be the case here.

>>32368999

Semi serious question as a USPSAfag, wouldn't that be a FTDR?

>>32369138
No, not at all. If it were a limited Vickers stage, I would have taken a hit for the extra shots. On a Vickers stage you can take all the shots you feel you need to take.

>>32368592
You should try reading the list of references at the end of the article.

References:

The Tueller Drill, Video Interview with Lt. Dennis Tueller (Ret), GunWebsites, www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxeTNnEWmbY, 03-25-11
How Close Is Too Close? (Article) Tueller, Dennis, SWAT Magazine, 03-1983
Understanding & Leveraging the Psychophysiology of Emotional Intensity, Sztajnkrycer, Matthew, M.D., Ph.D., Force Science Institute®, Minnesota State University, Presentation at San Jose (CA) Police Department, 02-08-10
Ibid.
Processing Under Pressure: Stress, Memory and Decision Making in Law Enforcement, Sharps, Matthew, Ph.D., © 2010, Loose Leaf Publishing, Flushing, N.Y.
Some fundamental of Human Performance: Applications to Police Activities, Schmidt, Richard, Ph.D., Force Science Institute®, Minnesota State University, Presentation at San Jose (CA) Police Department, 02-09-10
Violent Encounters – A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation’s Law Enforcement Officers, U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigations, Publication #0383, 2006
Reaction Times in Lethal Force Encounters, The Tempe Study, (Article) Lewinski, Bill, Ph.D., Hudson, Bill, Ph.D., The Police Magazine, Sept/Oct., 2003, pp. 26 - 29
The Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace, Grossman, D.A., PPCT Research Publications, 2004
Deadly Force Encounters: What Cops Need to Know to Mentally and Physically Prepare for and Survive A Gunfight, Artwhol, A, Christensen, L, Paladin Press, 1997
Sharpening the Warrior’s Edge: The Psychology & Science of Training, PPCT Research Publications, 1995
Motor Learning and Performance, Schmidt, R.A. and Wrisberg, C.A., 3rd Edition, Human Kinetics Publishers, 2004
Human Perception and Performance, (Article) Keetch, K.M., Schmidt, R.A., & Young, D.E., Journal of Experimental Psychology, 2005, No. 31, 970-978

>>32369173
Reading the list and reading each source are not the same thing. You should figure that out. No one is changing LEO trading based on this crappy article or its citations.

>>32369195
>LEO trading
What does a Baltimore officer go for on the current market?

>>32368576
>Not armchair science from a one off law firm.

Except they're not a law firm. You should probably research stuff before you shitpost. Or would facts crimp your style?

>>32369423
They are funded and run by a law firm. "one of a kind" that they are for a reason. They exist only to support lawyers and the law firm that funds them.

They are only as legitimate as their funding sources.

>>32369308
Oh, hell, they're giving them away. Buy one, get one free. Keep them out of trouble for a year and you can upgrade to a Fresno cop.

>>32369484
Proofs?

>>32369512
>You should probably research stuff before you shitpost

Do you own research you fool. Apparently you haven't seen who is paying for their testimony. Most of the work they do is CA POST training, speaking, workshops. That's hardly a premier private forensics consultancy. They are just like any other court experts. They are loyal to who is paying for their testimony. They don't come for free.

As I said before. If they were the NIJ, DOJ, FLETC, FBI or large state training agency, their research would be sound and not tainted with retainer money. Their office is located in a strip mall, the same place that Radio Shack had stores and H&R Block has walk in insta-tax return locations.

Don't be fooled, which is seems you are.

>You should probably research stuff before you shitpost

>>32369545
>Do you own research you fool.
I think you just lost m8

So, back to your lack of a slotted toaster. Why don't you have one, Johnny?

>>32369512
>>32369616

Lance Martini, got his graduate degree from an online school with 130 mini mall campus centers.

Greg Sancier, Ph.D, got his Ph.D as a school that has an enrollment of 40 and doesn't even have a website.

Most of their business comes from teaching California CCW and armed guard classes. If you think this is some large respected think tank, you're wrong. It's two retired guys with diploma mill degrees and a bunch of part time guys teaching CCW classes.

The only one who has a legit education is John M. Greene, M.D. and he teaches, not tenured yet, as Stanford - so his writings are to fulfill his publishing requirement for tenure.

>Do you own research you fool.

>>32369616
>So, back to your lack of a slotted toaster. Why don't you have one,
Who still eats toast from a toaster? It's like you think a big dose of heated carbs is a good breakfast or something.

>>32363372
>No because talking about drills isnt actually going to make you any better at them
durrrrrrrr

>>32369675
>confirmed notoaster

It is when you're in shape.

>>32369616
Hans Halberstadt - Forensic Crime Scene Investigations Photographer

He's never worked a day in his life for a police department. He's made a career out of writing picture books on military subjects, trains, and farming.

Larry Nichols - Forensic Expert/Master Instructor Police Practices, Use of Force, Firearms Training Range Master/Chief Instructor, OSI Firearms Training Program.

He ran an shooting range and taught NRA classes. He never served a day as an active LEO.

These guys are hacks. They give out titles like Master, Expert, Senior... and it's all made up. They are tall hat no cattle. Their degrees come from schools that are far from reputable or established.

>>32369770
Sorry, I'm strictly egg white, humus, or fruit for breakfast. There's no reason to punish your body with excess carbs that only lead to that 10am sag that hits all the bagel eaters.

Are you getting the idea that maybe you should have done some research before that shitpost of yours touting these guys as the end all be all of LE studies?

>>32369662
I asked for proofs, not 3 paragraphs of ranting about what might very well be a different organization.

Specifically, you stated that they are funded by a solitary law firm. So, I ask again- proofs?

>>32369786
>Are you getting the idea that maybe you should have done some research before that shitpost of yours touting these guys as the end all be all of LE studies?

Hey, hey, hey... that's a different guy, you can tell cause of my namefagging.

>>32369794
It's the exact same organization and instructor by instructor I'm going through them. The sham is clear. They pimp out crappy degrees as "experts" to a handful of ambulance chasing law firms from their mini-mall office. Oh, and when they're not being experts, they keep the lights on by teaching "Refuse to be a victim" classes and CA mandated CCW classes and armed security classes.

>Do you own research, you moron. I've already shown that you've done nothing at all. But, here you are posting away. You'd fit in well with that group of hack. It's out there and it's easy to find. See who they testify for and see the law firm that's paying for that testimony. It's so easy to find, yet you can't seem to do it.

I'm done with you now!

>>32363344
>Getting pretty tired of a weapons board talking about weapons

Well get the fuck out then.

>>32363344

Honestly? Just practice. It doesn't matter what you wear or what gear you have or any of that. Get a pistol. Get a rifle. Get whatever you're going to be using. Practice. Practice with that or those only until you're a master at shooting.

That is all you need. You don't need gadgets or gear. You just need you and your gun. Everyone here role plays and plays dress-up.

>>32369865
They say practice makes permanent.

>>32369835
>I'm done with you now!

In other words, you can't produce the proofs.

You speak disparagingly of their credentials, without actually ever listing them. This brings up another question- are your credentials so impeccable that you can do that? What ARE your credentials? How many degrees do you have? In what, from where?