AR thread /arg/

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no new AR stuff for a while

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>>32356325
You tricked me, you dirty gote. Would you mind sending that?

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>>32356366
What's the best way to mill an 80% lower if you have a machine shop?

Also what hand guard should I get for a light 14.5" build that I'm cerakoting patriot brown?

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Reminder that PMags are abject garbage and that STANAG is best mag.

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>>32356406

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>>32356366
MREX KDG, Plate carrier, tripod, assorted and sundry accessories

>>32356383
Fagit patch. Are you fagit?

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>>32356406
This is correct.

>>32356423
This is incorrect.

>>32356406
Fagit mags. Are you fagit?

>>32356404
Fagit spring. Are you fagit?

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>>32356392
I will if I find it.

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>>32356423
say hi to the dogman for me

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>>32356449
Thanks, I appreciate it.

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>>32356462
You should have said it was going on a fuckugly Beryl.

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>>32356480
Of course it's going on best AK.

>>32356480
But Beryl is sexy

Can someone school me on why piston ARs are shit?

>>32356400
If you have a machine shop...why do you have to ask?

>>32356530
-carrier tilt
-more expensive
-not actually any cleaner
-bolt lug wear
-louder when suppressed
-more perceived recoil
-answer to a question no one asked
inb4 piston apologists

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>>32356530
See>>32356549
Plus weight

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>>32356366
none

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>>32356532
I have access to one, but very limited knowledge

>>32356568
4 flute end mill

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>>32356568
>>32356596
no, 11 flute

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>>32356633
I wonder what they use to make that

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Looks legit. Best $33 spent on a gun part

>>32356596
Don't just bleet shit like "4flute" endmill, it has to be made for plunging cuts . People get hurt in shops, you know. Throwing chunks of metal out of fixtures isn't a good way to learn shit.

>>32356682
>tfw the best rear sight is also the cheapest


Thank you capitalism

>>32356654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj0Kb_n5jUA

>>32356689
>bleet
kys
>Throwing chunks of metal out of fixtures isn't a good way to learn shit.
i disagree

>>32356568
but seriously, this guy is right >>32356689
i have no clue what i'm talking about

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>>32356719
>mfw giddy gets his arms ripped of by lathe

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>>32356728
i don't fuck with that stuff, handheld power tools are my max

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>>32356400
Geiselle of course.

>>32356760
I have 2 and I don't really like them
Plus they're not very light

>>32356750
>handheld power tools are my max
post vagoo

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>>32356770
Failing that, MI SSK/M are both super slim and light.

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>>32356780

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>>32356400
>>32356770
PWS
W
S

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>>32356366
How much should I expect to spend on freefloating my riflle, including the cost of a mid/low tier tube/rail?

I don't have any of the tools I'd need to remove/replace the gas block or delta ring. Would it be cheaper to pay a gunsmith to do it instead of buying the tools?

pic unrelated

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>>32356794
They don't even make those anymore, they have a newer uglier version now.

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>>32356798
It depends on what quality you're willing to pay for. Also what parts do you have already, if any?

If you already have a bench and a vise, it's almost certainly cheaper to do it yourself and the experience is rewarding.

>>32356786
>>32356794
I'm looking for something really aesthetic
preferably not MLOK or picatinny

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Benched accuracy was like 3MOA with 55gr

>>32356750
>not wanting to get hit in the head by a chuk key flying like a 1000 feet per second that broke a office window to the floor

>not wanting to get hit in the head by a flying 1inch wrench that got forgotten on top of a mill spindle that the user later admitted he was high

So glad I left that industry

>>32356837
you need a better trigger
and optic/mount later

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>>32356835
>something really aesthetic
>not MLOK
Does not compute.

>>32356868
The trigger is just a step above milspec but I don't think that was the issue, I was shooting from a rest, the trigger is a bit long and gritty but I felt pretty good about my own consistency. Now if the mount was walking around on me a little bit that wouldn't surprise me.

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>>32356837
I get 1-2 MOA with wolf steel out of a 10.5" barrel. Based ballistic advantage. All other barrel makers btfo.

>>32356798
Also I would say just buy a prebuilt upper. http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-05/barreled-upper-assemblies.html?upper_barrel_length=1380&upper_caliber=1369&upper_handguard_type=1362

Or if you want to spend a little more, get an Aero upper which uses Ballistic Advantage barrels.

>>32356406
What do you do for a living? Are you rich?

>>32356904
That's really good, but why pay a premium for an accurate 10.5" barrel

>>32356904
>I get 1-2 MOA with wolf steel out of a 10.5" barrel.
No you don't. Post five five shot targets right now.
inb4 i dont save targets and other diversion tactics

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>>32356825
Oh god, that's horrifying. RIP PWS rails.

>>32356835
Yeah the new ones look pretty disgusting.

>>32356893
That happened to me the first time I tried out my strike eagle. Forgot to loctite the mount.

>>32356835
Is keymod also out of the picture?
Because that leaves proprietary stuff like PRI

>>32356914
It was dirt cheap, I think I paid $115 shipped from Granite Ridge.

>>32356916
If I go and poke 5 holes in a piece of paper and take a picture will that make you happy? Or maybe I go out on the internet and find a picture of some guys 10 yard grouping inside of a nickel.

>hurr ur lying and if u respond at all or dont repsond at all its a diversion tactic

But I will say it wasn't typical wolf steel. I bought it from SG ammo once and haven't been able to find it again, wish I saved the SKU. It was full copper... not bi-metal/magnetic, ran very clean. mythical cheap/good ammo never again :(

>>32356893
I bet your groups would shrink 3/4" at least if you got something like an MBT

>>32356872
MLOK can look good, but I dislike using it

>>32356904
And I get .5" from my $400 Ranier barrel

>>32356916
>almost 2017
>not knowing shorter barrels are inherently more accurate
shit

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>>32356947
No, I like keymod
It's either that, or something with direct threads like the geissele mk3 or CMR rails

>>32356633
Carbide 11 flute for aluminum? Makes no sense.

>>32356951
>If I go and poke 5 holes in a piece of paper and take a picture will that make you happy? Or maybe I go out on the internet and find a picture of some guys 10 yard grouping inside of a nickel.
The fact that you haven't saved a single image of a one MOA group produced with your rifle, despite a one MOA group through an AR being an unusual achievement even with match ammo, is all the evidence needed.

You're a liar and a braggart. The real surprise is that the tripcode didn't tip me off before I even posted. I have regrets at having some expectation of humanity, honor, empathy or integrity from a tripfaggot.

I saw that shit about decibels too, you're a pretty unintelligent individual.

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>>32356853
sounds like you were just too retarded for it.

>>32356907
>having nice things makes you rich
i guess by /k/'s standards

>>32356453
Breh, I've had it in the oven at 350 and this shit isn't budging. What the fuck did you do?

>>32357003
what are you trying to do

>>32357001
The place i was at was fucking shit

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>>32356998
>despite a one MOA group through an AR being an unusual achievement even with match ammo

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best groups are not the same as average groups and this is where i feel the divide is.
i call my 14.5 a 2moa rifle because i know it will never shoot outside of 2moa with match ammo but some would say sub moa because they can get a sub moa group once.

also, it's how many rounds you shoot, 3rd groups are easy to get sub moa but 10 is much harder.

>>32356997
almost like it's a joke

>>32357019
Post five five shot groups from your rifle 1 MOA or less.

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>>32357020

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>>32356962
bretty gud. +$300 for another 1-1.5" isn't worth it for me, but if I was into competing I might spend it.

Fortunately hogs don't care if your bullet hits them in the temporal vs. parietal lobe.

>>32356998
Actually the real surprise is that you took the time to type all that out.

>>32357001
I have money but buy cheap things purely to upset /arg/.

>>32357019
He's upset, best just to let him be.

>>32356837
either LWRC a shit or you need to git gud

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>>32356998
>getting this mad at the retarded kid on the playground

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>>32357020
.

>>32356904
>>32356951
>>32357032
can you post some groups? im dubious as well

>>32357034
Probably a little column A, a little of column B

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>>32357020
>>32357039
That's totally reasonable, both as an expectation and as a claim. But saying you shoot 1 MOA with the most trash blasting ammo on the planet is ridiculous. If I shot several 1 MOA groups with match ammo I'd have pictures of that. If I shot a single 1 MOA group with Russian garbage, I'd be interviewed on scout.com.

I should have learned my lesson from the decibels thing. The kid is just damaged.

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>>32356837
What holster is that?

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>It Ain't Me plays faintly in distance

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>>32357057
it's the same as guys who say their car goes 0-60 in 4sec, in perfect conditions it can but in reality, it's a 4.5sec car

>>32357057
I'm pretty incredulous at the claim as well

>>32357034
1:7 16" barrel, what's the best grain to use?

>>32357003
I used a tiny amount of vibra tite, r u a numale?

>>32357011
did you go to the gun show

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>>32357040
>>32357025
>>32356998
fine guys here you go. this is my REAL and VERIFIED grouping from a while back with my AR.

>>32357001
>i guess by /k/'s standards
Was it talking to you?

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>>32357070

>>32357025
I've never taken a picture of groups. Seems pointless

>>32357034
>LWRC a shit
The triggers are
I haven't felt an ALG ACT, but I imagine the LWRC is the same or worse

>>32357032
It's really nice for practicing reading wind at longer ranges.
It's nice knowing if you miss, it can only be your fault
Plus a heavy, 18" rifle length with a light buffer feels really nice to shoot

>>32357078
>what's the best grain to use?
like 75-80

>>32357082
tomorrow when it opens probably

i'm not doing anything today

>>32357087
>referring yourself in the 3rd person as 'it'
you are an anon i guess.

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>>32357078
depends on what your barrel likes but typically heavier stuff will group better out of a 1:7

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>>32356366
Can I post in these threads now? I ordered it last night.

>>32357095
It's just a nickel coated milspec trigger, according to blucarpet it's a lot better than milspec triggers but it's just a gritty single stage to me.

>>32357101
> oh man, he made a spelling mistake, i won the argument

daily reminder tripfags are cancer

>>32357095
>I've never taken a picture of groups. Seems pointless
By stating that shooting a 1 MOA group isn't unusual, are you therefore stating that shooting a 1 MOA group with your rifle is the standard for you? So many of your groups are under one inch at 100 yards that to shoot a group OVER that is unusual?

Or are you just saying that shooting a 1 MOA group isn't completely impossible?

I'm making a distinction here. I said a 1 MOA group from an AR is unusual. As in, not the usual. You disagreed. What is your basis for disagreeing?

>>32357127
It's not unusual, see evidence: >>32357085

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>>32357123
scream cancer all you want

you chose to enter into our containment thread

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>>32357101
i was hoping you went today so I could figure out if it was worth making the drive. im hunting for a garand

>>32357115
those coated milspec triggers are a meme. carbon wipes off them a bit easier but thats it

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>>32357146
>buying a garand from a gun show

i'm just looking for a usp in 9mm, a walther p99 or a gewher 98 depending on my mood

>>32357146
>carbon wipes off them a bit easier but thats it
I really can't tell a difference in cleaning between my NiB carrier and a regular carrier. The nickel just makes the carbon stand out more and makes me more anal when I'm cleaning.

>>32356654
The hardest metal known to man; diamonds.

>>32357082
435 and it ain't budging, I'm salty as shit.
>>32357011
Psi sent me the M300 with a Mlok mount on, I'm trying to get the fucking thing off but this thread locker is not cooperating and I've on the verge of stripping the heads.

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>>32357161
Always go USP.

>>32357161
ya i know camp perry has nothing but winchester specials rn and i dont want a winchester

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>>32357070
mother of god. Assemble the cleaning rods and then band them to the hand guard. If you are gonna do it to it right. also get a bike inter tube and cut it into sections instead of what ever the fuck that is that you have.

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>>32357161
There's a PPQ on Waltherforums for $475 with a kydex IWB rite now.

>>32357105
Having an AR, or guns for that matter doesn't stop people from posting
feel free

>>32357115
I have a pretty well used colt trigger that feels better to me
Maybe it's just a bad LWRC example

>>32357127
>are you therefore stating that shooting a 1 MOA group with your rifle is the standard for you?
Yes

I'm also not just talking about any walmart AR shooting 1MOA regularly with any ammo
If you put one together with money and knowledge of components, it's not uncommon to get 1MOA consistently.
If you have a precision rifle background, you'll be more successful
The FIRST time I shot my SPR barrel, I got 3 5 shot groups that were all about 3/4" with the largest one still being under an inch
I could obviously be lying, but I care more about spreading knowledge than boosting my epeen on a Malaysian analingus forum

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>>32357182
don't you have a propane torch?

or just buy an mlok rail you fucking scrub

>>32357202
>PPQ
fuck off and kill yourself
that thing is visual AIDS

no i've wanted a p99 since i had an airsoft gun when i was younger

>>32357182
kek, remove the sensitive shit and hit it with a torch but don't heat the screw itself.

>>32357227
If you have only one rifle (I don't know you), then you got very lucky with your specific build. 1 MOA is not the usual for ARs, with any ammo. 2-3 MOA is normal with bulk ammo, 1-1.5 MOA is normal with match ammo.

I'd be more inclined to believe you if you had photos.

>>32357227
People spend thousands of dollars chasing 1 MOA, go browse around ar15.coms precision forum some time. 1 MOA is definitely not the usual.

>>32357182
Just drill the screws out if you're not using the mount. Jesus

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>>32357254
it is if you buy larue parts

god bless

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>>32357182
you must become giddy to solve this problem.

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>>32357261
he probably hasnt even heated it, he's probably just bleeting angrily hoping the screws will back their way out in fear

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>>32357278
How many patches do you have?

Has anyone tried E-lander magazines?

How are they?

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>>32357182
Use an impact driver.

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>>32357296
only 4 i think, and one is a shit midwest industries patch. rookie numbers.

>>32357308
Don't forget the one(s) I sent you

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>>32357308
you are like a little baby

>>32357331
i hope he burns those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF8I-PotoK8

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>>32357358
i hope those are ironic

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>>32357358
i only own a few bc most are turbo faggot, including like 3/4 of those

>>32357244
I have 7 complete uppers
Most of them shoot around 1-1.5MOA
The SPR and a few others almost always shoot under 1 with the ammo they like.

>>32357254
A lot of their rifles are probably 1MOA guns where the shooters are not
The shooter is obviously a huge part of potential accuracy

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>>32357261
WELL MAYBE I WILL
>>32357278
I am perfectly calm.

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>>32357372
Oh course.

>>32357375
I've got more coming in. :^)

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>>32356998
>despite a one MOA group through an AR being an unusual achievement even with match ammo
It really isn't tho. Basic bitch 14.5" will do ~1 MOA when I put a magnified optic on it and actually shoot for group.
>>32357127
>100% Pure And Unfiltered Austism.

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>>32356837
shit gun or shit shot?

both :^

>>32357409
you're not in colorado are you?

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>>32357386
i do want the benis defense patch for my benis nugget

>>32357406
>Basic bitch 14.5" will do ~1 MOA
ok nutn'

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>>32357413
WA

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>>32357447
did you two touch tips

>>32357409
Not Cool

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>>32357494
it's an AR not an AK
you can actually use the sights on it, alright?
i know you're new to the whole concept of actual accuracy

>>32357409
looks good man

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>>32357512
>African trigger discipline

There's something you don't see everyday

Also
>g3 confirmed for African poverty

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>>32357470
:^

>>32357494
back2akg ya go

>>32357522
ya missed out senpai. we gotta do one more before he leaves

>>32357578
I think I'll stay just on account of your rudeness

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>>32357594
that's ok mr 3moa

>>32357406
Post five five shot groups of 1 MOA or less.

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>>32357578
yup just give me a date and I'll plan for it. If selling sfmb let me know

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>>32357576
You're a bit behind the curve on that one.

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>>32357603

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repost old photos from ar over and over again thread

>>32357614
do you think that's hard?

>>32357617
it will be in the second half of January, not sure yet. I'll sell the brake to ya

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>>32357655
But muh memes

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>>32357660
these are new, I promise.

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>>32357664
sweet let me know how mch you want

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Here's a recent picture of the SPR
It's a PA platinum 1-8 if anyone's wondering

>>32357664
>do you think that's hard?
it is, go set up 5 golf balls at 100m, how many shots does it take to hit them all

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>>32357697
whatever ya want to pay desu
I don't plan on using it ever again

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>>32357726
RIP

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>>32357714
How do you like it? I've got the 1-6x in my 16". I'm gonna sell my 16" and probably keep the scope to eventually put on an SPR upper.

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>>32357755
F

>>32356366
Except that you fucked the cord for the switch up. You really are retarded.

painted guns are ugly and make me sick

i know it conceals outline at distance but they are a ugly shit

>>32357386
Awoos a shit

>>32357843
ok

>>32357843
I kinda want to paint mine battleship grey and put ship style white numbers on the magazines.

Does anyone else ever feel like their rifle is lacking?

>>32357719
5?

Anyone got a line on Christmas deals? Looking for lower build parts and descent triggers around $70-100

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>>32357859
Yes
And I fix it

>>32357772
It's pretty nice. The 1x isn't as good as a 1-6 can be, but neither are the S&B and Leopold's
It's quite clear, and the turrets work normally

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>>32357859
No. I feel my range is lacking though. I need more IDPA plates or something. Maybe a musical gong setup.

>>32357859

as long as i am without a suppressor i am always feeling a lacking on my rifle

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geissele meme spring confirmed no sprong

>>32357859
just a peq and nvgs

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Does anyone know what handguard this is

>>32357910
Garbage

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>>32357910
the stock one from the Springfield Saint. I doubt they sell it separately

>>32357910

yes its the melty supreme

>>32357910
BCM

>>32357726
yeeee

>>32357899
We knew that already, catboy. Why do you think we all bought them.

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>>32357946
how many gbp ya got

>>32357953
>catboy
dlete tis

i have no idea what the fuck this 'sprong' imaginary issue is

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>>32357968
hellonoguns.webm

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Howdy folks. Couple new picks is all I got. Blasted a snattlerake with this thing this morning.

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Whats the most best looking completely upper?

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>>32357979
>picks
lol

>>32357968
I've shot some cheapo ARs that have a "sprong" sound in the tube. It's a non issue but these tards need to spend the money to make it super quiet for operationally operating their pics on the internet.

>>32357614
No. I shoot my guns at the range, I don't waste time (especially when it's -5F like it has been) posing for pretty pictures with my guns. I also almost never shoot my ARs for groups. I like to do fun stuff when I want to have fun.
>>32357719
It'll take 5. A game my dad and I used to play when I was growing up was throw a few gold balls down range at 100 yards and take turns hitting them with out 10/22s. That was with open sights.

>tldr git gud faggit

>>32357978

or maybe i just dont have a shitty ar that goes sproingy sprongo springaling........................

>>32357966
right now few because of Christmas + kids = gbp going bye bye after the first of the year though i'll be back on track.

>>32356406
>says the anon who posts a pic of ETS (enhanced tactical shit) mags

>>32357899
gd that's dirty

>>32357980
KAC mod 2 upper

>>32357978
>still didn't get the paint all off

>>32357979
Skin it and use it's pelt on your AR.

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>>32357979
hello sigfam

>>32357980
mine

>>32358000
post it bb doll

>>32358004
no worries senpai. you can have it whenever and pay me when ya can

>>32358018
sweet man thanks

>>32357726
What saddle?

Are hydraulic buffers a meme?

>>32358016
stay tismd m8

>>32358038
tripod was from amazon for $25 and I modified the top part with a metal bracket and foam I had.

>>32358053
he has a point tho, looks like aids, fix ur shit

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>>32358045
everything is a meme

>>32358012
just how I like it bb

>>32358062
one day

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>>32358016
I'm already back home. It's dropping down to 19 degrees out there, but warming back up in two days.

>>32358018
Hola

>>32357244
>1 MOA is not the usual for ARs, with any ammo. 2-3 MOA is normal with bulk ammo, 1-1.5 MOA is normal with match ammo.
The 18" SPR upper I built my dad from the clearance section of MidwayUSA does 1.25" to 1.5" with PMC Bronze.

Believe me or not, either way I know you're talking out your fucking ass.

>>32358104
>1.25" to 1.5"
Unless you're talking about 150 yards, that is not 1 MOA. Your AR falls into the standard category of "not 1 MOA."

Go look up what a minute of angle is.

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>>32357892
Cool. I've heard good things about the 1-8. My only real complaint is that it's a little on the heavy side.

>>32358133
Did I say it was?

>>32358182
yes

>>32358182
You just said he was talking out his ass when what he said is true. Your mediocre rifle doesn't prove him wrong.

>>32358206
>>32358213
>2-3 MOA is normal with bulk ammo, 1-1.5 MOA is normal with match ammo
He is talking out of his ass if a clearance bin rifle can shoot 1.5 MOA with bulk ammo.
>mediocre rifle
It is. That's the point.

>>32358203
catboy go take a bath

>>32358232
>bath
what am i 5 years old?

im curious if there is even 1 ar-15 owner here that has an AR-15 that will function in a windy enviroment where there's moonsand

>>32358243
No you're like 12 and wheelchair bound. Psi says you like to roll around in your litterbox you little freak, go clean up.

So since we're on th topic of ammo and MOA and shit, what ammo would you guys recommend for an 18" gun with a 1:8 twist? I'm using some basic ass PMC 62 gr green tip and my groups range from .8 to 3 MOA and want something more consistent.

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>>32358253
well someone's gotta hose me down

>>32358259
ADI 69gr

>>32358133
>>32358227
Post some targets and I'll even believe you when you say they were shot with that ammo at 100 yards.

>>32358259
Roll your own with 75gr Berger VLDs.

>>32358291
Again, most people don't take pictures of their groups and I don't care if you believe me or not. My experience proves you wrong.

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These look legit? I'd like that sweet 23+1 in my M&P.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Extended-Magazine-Base-Pads-For-Smith-Wesson-M-P-9mm-40cal-/272400372315?nav=SEARCH

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>>32358259
>my groups range from .8 to 3 MOA
see, this is the problem, your rifle doesn't change, the ammo is 3moa and you just aren't firing enough rounds if you ger .8moa

try some heavy shit like hornady amax or black hills.

pic is an actual .5moa rifle, notice how if you overlay all the groups it never goes above .5"

>>32358304
Amazing how nobody can back up their extraordinary claims.

The burden of proof is on YOU when you claim your bottom shelf garbage gun shoots 1.5 MOA with shit chink ammo.

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>>32358253
hes so fat he needed the giant off road wheel chair today

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>>32358291

>>32358321
>burden of proof is on YOU
Here? Nah. Literally couldn't care less if anonymous retards on the internet believe me or not. I know what I've shot with what.

>>32358304
>My experience proves you wrong.
no it doesn't because documented results prove you wrong.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/279218_The_Trouble_With_3_Shot_Groups.html

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>>32358291

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>>32358331
You aren't shooting a $400 rifle with sort-by-lowest-price ammo as that guy claims.

And your "close enough" measurement method flares up my tism pretty fierce.

>>32358346
>implying
I zero with 5 round groups. So yes, my experience does prove him wrong.

>>32358354
I'm not in your argument with anon just postin groups.

>close enough measurement
all my wat

>>32358343
>couldn't care less
You sure seem to care a whole lot, repeating it multiple times while replying again and again that you don't care. If you want people to believe you, post proof. If you don't care if people believe you, stop repeating it as though you do.

tl;dr You literally care that people believe your lie.

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>>32358364
>So yes, my experience does prove him wrong
you sound like a liberal. no, your EXPERIENCES don't change facts, getting a 5rd group that is 1" one time doesn't make your ar moa.

this is what pissed me off when i posted multiple groups and retards like you just said that i couldn't shoot for shit.

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>durr you cant shoot
and this was with a very good barrel from a real mechanical rest and 16x scope, but you TNP'ers just claim that the best group you ever got was the normal when 90% of the groups were 2 or 3moa

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>>32358389
>getting a 5rd group that is 1" one time doesn't make your ar moa.


DING DING DING. giddy wins, end of argument.

>>32358389
Because you have to use a fancy bench rest

>>32357714
Ooh baby

You mind shooting me a parts list?

>>32358277
>>32358319
I'll look into these. I usually end up slicing the 4th or 5th round in a 5 round group. I thought it was me just not shooting that far often enough, but its starting to seem as if it's consistently inconsistent.

>>32358296
When I relocate I plan to reload. Buying factory .300blk is dumb and I hate it

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>>32358379
Nope, just bored while I wait for my wife to get home so I can go to dinner.
>>32358389
>You sound like a liberal
>Proceeds to strawman my argument.
I didn't say the budget rifle shot 1". I said it shot 1.25" to 1.5" with bulk ammo contrary to his claim that they will shoot 2-3 MOA. Your links to ARFCOM don't change the fact that this rifle will do this consistently.

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now, would my groups be better if i shot one ammo at a type instead of switching after every group? probably, but the fact remains that real sub moa means <1" all day long, and that is tough.
anything under .75moa is handload only and under .5moa is rail guns

pic is .5moa

>>32358420
yes, i was trying to be a little scientific and see what the barrel could do.

>>32358430
>shot 1.25" to 1.5" with bulk ammo
bulk ammo implies cheap shit like tula, wolf, or m193 for brass.
that shit is 3-4moa, REAL moa, out of even quality ar's

>>32358259

i'd go with prvi 75 gr loads for cheap shooting and somewhat decent groups

for greentip, i'd go with IMI M855 over other brands if you want consistency, even though greentip in general is just not a good round

i run a recce 16" midlength and i've shot federal m855, prvi m855, danish/swede m855 and IMI seems to be the most consistent for me in 1/7 twist barrel

i really wouldnt run greentip in an SPR build

>>32358441
>under .75moa is handload only
im sure if I put my rifle in a fancy rest i could easily get under that with match ammo. I get under sub moa everytime I shoot off a bench and use good ammo.

>>32358464
But you can't shoot for shit, hence why you had to buy the rest.

Does Giddy have a serious mental deficiency?

>>32358464
>I'm going to arbitrarily change the definition of a term to win the argument
Again, you say I sound like a liberal. PMC is bulk ammo.

>>32358507
Yes

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>>32358493
>>32358508


>>32358498
>But you can't shoot for shit
ok
>hence why you had to buy the rest.
no, i bought it because no one will ever be as consistent as a mechanical device.

>>32358528
>no one will ever be as consistent as a mechanical device
And you can't shoot for shit.

finally got around to refinishing barrel on SPR. pics after it finishes curing on Wednesday.
Next few purchases will be for the pistol build.

>>32358546
Yup, Giddy is still retarded.

>>32358543
does that matter when i use a rest?

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In for I only buy hexmags because pmags are 400% over priced and cuck stores epoxy the base plate on

>>32358528
>that picture
Did you just make that in MS paint? Really stimulated those neurons. I've never actually come across a rifle that will deliver consistent sized groups but put them all over the place like that. Unless you count shooting a quick cold bore group and then shooting a second group 100 rounds later. I've seen that happen then.

Either way, the group in the top photo is still a consistently 1.5" rifle, but seems to have issues holding a zero.

>>32358562
You can't claim that you shot those groups when your rest did the work.

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>>32358481
>i really wouldnt run greentip in an SPR build

Greentip was just what I use when I go shooting with my old man. We normally don't shoot very far so the consistency of ammo has never been an issue. It wasn't until I starting shooting my 18" that I normally never touch that I realized how dogshit greentip is group-wise.

>>32358583
no, the barrel and ammo did that.

>>32358571
holy shit, obviously the pic is an exaggeration to prove a point.
you fucks are hard headed as fuck.

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>>32358565
You could have any mags if you want to fund my next few projects :^

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>>32358623
Wot

>>32358620
No it's a cheap gimmick to win a pointless argument after you straw manned my original post. There is no point that except the top target has a wandering zero and the other one doesn't.

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>>32358629
Buying scrap aluminum or polymer and springs so I can afford new toys

>>32358565
I'll sell you uncucked pmags for $45 a pop

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>>32358640
Eh, nah

>>32358644
Rebuild kits sent in two separate boxes are $20 a piece, kill yourself

>>32358654
ill mail you a case of wolf gold for $500

>>32358654
Your loss. Rebuild kits won't exist in 2 weeks

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>>32358662
>wolf anything

no.

I've got 900 or 1,000 federal 223rn and I'm just gonna make more. I'm willing to bet the background check nonsense fails miserably in this state

>>32358674
Maybe not, but relatives and the state of Arizona will

>>32358684
>I'm willing to bet the background check nonsense fails miserably in this state
didnt it pass? easy money for gun stores

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>>32358684
ill mail you 6 brand new in wrapper pmags for $20 ea :^)

>>32358634
unless you can hit a (x)moa target all day, your rifle isn't that moa.

EXAMPLE: if you claim that a rifle,EXAMPLE, is 1moa, EXAMPLE, because you shoot 5 5rd groups that are all under 1moa, EXAMPLE, but when presented with 5 1moa targets and you can't hit them all, EXAMPLE, your rifle, EXAMPLE, is not moa. EXAMPLE

i see people claim 1moa all the time, but when you overlay the groups, it is 3moa. that rifle would be 3moa, not 1moa.

>>32358708
that one turned out good

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>>32358689
Yes it passed. I don't see how they are gonna do it as it will probably overload the system, and hopefully DJT does something about it

>>32358708
That's illegal friend •>•

>snow
It rained pretty good this week and there's more coming but no snow :(

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Fifty yards. Is dis good?

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>>32358737
Mil spec trigger?
Irons?
From a bench?

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>>32358731
>inb4 you need a stamp for each bullet

Fun fact: Vietnamese sandwiches are the most POWERFUL sandwich in the Earth

>>32358731
>I don't see how they are gonna do it as it will probably overload the system,
i can see that happening. but i also think gun stores secretly want it to stay cause them fees, same thing with full auto collectors.

>>32358745
Laying on ground. Geissele ssa-e. 1-6x

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>>32358749
Oh probably. But again, I have two presses now and can drive to other states.

Fuck California. Putin pls bomb

>>32358759
can you private sell ammo?

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>>32358723
had to resize all of them, over double the limit on all.

>>32358731
illegal? meh who cares.

>>32358766
>had to resize all of them, over double the limit on all.
ya i will need to tinker with most of em on my pc

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>>32358758
>mfw realized that's a dime, not a quarter.

I was about to start shitting on you until I double checked. Looks good m8

>>32358765
Unsure what the law says. People do it anyways

>>32358766
Kek

>mfw no snow

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>>32358766
>Riflechucks
I like your style

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What about this 55grain remanufactured

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>>32358825
Same distance and all?


It's truly incredible how my state gets to blantantly infringe the constitution as badly as they are; banning this and restricting that, and no one is dying over it.

All the evil politicians are just walking free with nothing to worry about because they have their armed guards.
It would be a shame if something were to change all that, huh?

>>32358717
Ok. So your point is that I am somehow lying because I don't take pictures to show off in a general I am almost never in, and I don't know how to shoot.

Sorry, I thought you were trying to make a point that wasn't first day shooting basics so I missed it the first time.

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>>32358749
the FBI has already stated that it wont open NICS to the state of California to conduct the checks so the state has to figure out how the fuck to implement this system.

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>>32358845
GREEN CARPETS MILITIA WHEN?

>>32358592

greentip is p much worst 5.56 you can use for anything but the range and shooting at objects

>>32358825
Yesh. 50 yards laying on a tailgate

>>32358847
m8, read the link, it covers 5rd groups and 10rd groups.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/279218_The_Trouble_With_3_Shot_Groups.html

the point is, people claiming 1moa need to shoot multiple groups then overlay them to get the real moa.

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>>32358858
What sorta groups you get with that log? Been thinking of picking one up myself but can't decide between ash or birch

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>>32358856
I hope it crashes and burns

>>32358858
WAR NOW

I'm really liking the VFG, got it for $9.99 at lgs

>>32358845
>>32358869
Whoops

>>32358856
o kek

>mfw I realize that my newly acquired MBUS Pro offset rear isn't compatible with my Ascend Armory upper project because of the shell deflector size/shape.

I am truly as dumb as Lizerd.

>>32358174
It is very heavy.
I'd probably get a vortex HD if I had the chance again

>>32358425
Yea, from front to back;
Surefire Warcomp
Rainier SPR barrel
JP gas block
DD 12" slim rail
Atlas bipod
BCM keymod short grip
KAC micro sights
Vltor MUR upper
Primary arms platinum 1-8x
Geissele hyper extended 34mm mount
BCM BCG
PRI gasbuster charging handle
Geissele SD-E
B5 grip
Vltor I-mod stock (usually has a B5 enhanced)

>>32358441
>anything under .75moa is handload only and under .5moa is rail guns
>pic is .5moa
no

>>32358900
>no
overlay the targets and it never goes beyond .5" but gets close

>>32358883
>I hope it crashes and burns

They will have one hell of a journey a head of them

>>32358890
yep p funny tbqh

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>>32358882
cheek weld sucks desu. i was at least able to get hits on my 10 inch steel at 100 yards all day long.

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>>32358885
Looks fine to me

>>32358897
Will still work to kys <3

>>32358913
Hopefully it's a journey straight to hell