Pooinloo here. So the Indian AF have started the process of replacing

>>32339654
A decent one. Rafael is a strong option when all is said and done.

>>32339654
india has an airforce? i thought they were busy with all the drinking problems and casinos

>>32339713
Yes we do. No thanks to the USA though. They somehow still prefer fat muslim paki cocks being shoved down their throat.

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Interested to see how they'll perform in the next war with the Chinks.

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>>32339726
Weren't we offering you numbnuts block 60 F-16s and Super Hornets?

>>32339654

>Is this a good move?

No. You could be buying F-35's.

>>32339744
Nope. Matter of fact we asked for help multiple times at the start of the 1971 Indo-Pak war and you still supported the pakis along with the UK. Russia was the only one to back us up (granted it was to halt US influence). We still won though (we practically reduced the paki population by half).

>>32339751
Because you dont sell them to us you fuckwit.

>>32339654
Fuck yes. I respect the SU30mki but its too fucking big and it cant do stealth for shit. Its also much heavier.

>>32339731
Well our gear doesnt spontaneously catch fire and we do have a tad bit more experience.

>>32339654
>replacing the SU 30MKI with the Rafale
That's not what is happening.

>>32339654
Yes. The Rafale might be overpriced, but Russian stuff is overrated.

>>32339654
What? The Su30 isnt being replaced. We're just buying 35 Rafales as well. Putting the Su30 out of service would be fucking suicide.

>>32339830
>>32339843
Just re-checked. My bad.

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>>32339784
>Nope.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/deborah-lee-james-air-force-secretary-f16-india-trip

http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/boeing-pitches-advanced-super-hornet-india-fighter-deal

>US Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told reporters she discussed the possible sales of F-16s and Navy F/A-18s with Indian defense officials to help promote the US defense industry and further military cooperation between the two nations.

At least try to do some research to make your lie more believable.

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>>32339816

but how will you overcome their loo advantage

>>32339862
We have developed special missiles that have concentrated poo in them. We will launch them at the jets and they'll crash because they cant anything.

>>32339857
>The issue of technology transfer is likely to be the sticking point on whether the US government sanctions the potential move of Lockheed Martin’s F-16 production line to India, the US Air Force’s top civilian said Wednesday.
>Sanction

So really we're still sanctioned but now your CONSIDERING selling us tech. Also after all these years of supporting pakis you pick NOW to cooperate? Fuck off.

>>32339857
Hes mentioning 1971 not 2016.

>>32339654
Not a bad move, not the best move.

Why does USA like pakiloo and not indiaoo

>>32339955
Nixon and Obama

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>>32339654
Pakistan's AD network isn't that good, Rafale can perform in the strike role there.

Rafale has long legs and big payload, making it pretty good for the anti-ship strike role in the Indian Ocean, either augmenting the Navy in the Arabian Sea against Pakistan or operating from the Andamans against China in the Straits of Malacca

Rafale is a true multirole fighter so once Meteor is fully online it will be capable of taking on the Chinese or Pakis in A2A to augment the Su-30MKI.

All in all it cost a lot of money but it does what India needs it to, and Western munitions/sensors are a helluva lot more accurate and useful than Russian ones so it will far outperform the Su-30MKI in the strike role.

>>32339816
>Ship flips over in the fucking shipyard
>Planes fall down like shit every day

Are you serious?

China is 1000 times more competent than any loos out there.

>>32339955
India claimed non-alignment but leaned more towards the Soviets. Pakistan was the natural enemy of India so the US chose the country it could push its influence on more easily.

>>32339976
Accidents happen all the time. At the end of the day, we are the one that won both wars against Pakistan and China with limited options. Im sure the Chinese have a million accidents with their shit everyday as well. They're better at covering it up but thats a separate thing.

>>32339983
> leaned more towards the Soviets
But thats fucking wrong you imbecile. Nixon met Indira and essentially went "fuck you". We only signed the treaty with Russia AFTER you told us to fuck off. And since we wanted to be neutral, we wouldn't have been in the way of your war with the Soviets.

>>32339654

Shouldn't you fucks be replacing your MiG-21s and MiG-27s instead!?!?

>>32339961
Obama is the one trying to build a closer relationship with India.

>>32340401
We already have phased out the 21s. They'll be used for training and museums. Once the new jets come in the 27s will be gone as well.

>>32340410
Not really. He absolutely hates Modi.

>>32339654
I regret why my country sold you these beauties... Probably 10 Rafales will be lost after 2 years of commission due to a pooinloo pilot or maintenance idiot...

>:(

>>32340438

The Indian Air Force still operates over 100 MiG-21s upgraded to "Bison" standard (capable of equipping the BVR R-77 missile)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/units/others/281-fleet.html

>>32340539
The Bison is a pretty badass plane. It's amazing what you can do with an old airplane when you slap on a isreali jammer and radar.

>>32340539
Ah yeah the Bison. They'll be around till 2022 til the HAL Tejas take over. But Im pretty sure (at least according to reports over here) that majority of the 21s got phased in 2015.

>>32340513
Dont worry Frenchie. They wont be given to rookies. We have abundance of other shit for them to use such as the Bisons, 27s and fuck it even the SU30mkis (since theres soo many).

>>32340596
>HAL Tejas

The fuck is that?

>>32340568

It adds some residual combat value as something that can get high enough to fire BVR weapons and GTFO. Better than solely being a knife fighter which is of limited use nowadays.

>>32340596
For the Air Force, the Indian Navy just announced that they will NOT be using the Tejas to replace Indian Navy MiG-21s

I still think the Tejas is a worthwhile endeavour, it's a painful, expensive process, but once you develop proper fighter aircraft design and manufacturing capabilities they're indispensable for a country th t wants to be 'self sufficient'

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>>32340513
>All that hate

Come on now. We're your new friends! Dassault and HAL Best friends <3

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>>32340649

Indigenous single engine, delta light fighter being developed by India. Same weight class as the Gripen

>>32340672
Any good?

>>32339654
>Is this a good move?
Indian defense procurement is a huge mess. They jump from one project to another and run several weapon system for one role. Like how many goddamn types of fighter aircraft do you use?

>>32340743
All of them

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>>32340733
Hard to say just yet, but odds are that it won't be all that spectacular. The whole point of the LCA program was more to mature the Indian aerospace industry while producing a replacement for their MiG-21s.

It's supposed to have a lot of modern features that you see on later 4th gen aircraft, but at the same time there's only so much you can expect from the first combat aircraft to come out of a country with practically no experience in the field. However, if you look at it from the strategic perspective - maturing the industry so that India can be more self-sufficient with its air force - it's a fairly good idea.

On a sidenote, the whole idea of maturing their aerospace industry is probably why their procurement recently has been so fucky. They're trying really hard to secure technology transfer with their recent procurement programs, but sellers aren't exactly all that enthusiastic about those terms.

>>32340867
But the Su30mkis are all manufactured in India. So don't they already have that industry technically?

>>32339994
You won 1962? I don't think so, poo-for-brains.

>>32340733
Let me just tldr it for you.

No.

>>32340894
Well the whole North Eastern frontier support us and not China. That's a victory.

>>32340867
Stop talking poo-in-brains

You know what the Marut is? THAT is the first "indigenous" combat aircraft from shitland.

Admit it, you fucks are incompetent.

>>32340922
That's not called victory. That's called you suck at fighting agianst the chinese.

Admit it, you are on the same level as the arab armed forces.

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>>32340889
There's a huge difference between manufacturing combat aircraft under license and developing an indigenous design. The Su-30s may be produced domestically, but everything about those aircraft from the airframes to engines to avionics are Russian. What the LCA is supposed to do is cultivate a base of skilled engineers to let them do more indigenous development. Unlike just about everything else in Indian service, the Tejas program entailed
>Kaveri engine program (failed)
>joint development of an AESA radar with Israel
>domestic control systems
>domestically developed EW suite
>high amount of composites in structure
>relaxed stability design
All of which are important things if someone wants to get a domestic aerospace industry running. Note that a lot of the planned domestically-developed features are sidelined for now, with foreign parts used for the time being to get it into service faster

>>32340954
u wot m8
The Marut was just India hiring German engineers. The Tejas is a more substantial effort to kickstart their aerospace industry. I'm not saying it's a good plane at all.

>>32340966
It's not really a win for gooks either. All they inherited was more wasteland lol

>>32341001
Nice DRDO talking points.

Marut is an indian aircraft. You had the infrastructures in place. You did not deliver.

>>32341010
First of it, poo-for-brain, its chink, not gook

Second, it stopped nehru's push beyond the LAC and restored them back.

That's the chinese objective, thats what china achieved, thats why china won.

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>>32341018
m8 I'm not actually Indian. You're right - the Marut represented the first failed attempt for India to get a domestic industry going. What's your point?

>>32341071
He was probably talking to me. I'm one of the poos here. But no idea what specific post he's replying to.

>>32341071
At least it looked okay. Kinda looked like an F5.

>>32341071
My point is that your post tried to downplay the failure of the Marut by upplaying the german angle.

You're an honorary loo now. Go forth and defecate

>>32341129
>Go fourth and defecate

Sides destroyed

>>32341001

Actually the AESA radar tender is OPEN! Anybody could get it now! But it looks like it's either back to Israel or possibly the US

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/hal-floats-radar-tender-for-its-light-combat-aircraft/articleshow/56002616.cms

>>32339784
>bitching about Cold War bullshit from 45 years ago
>ignoring all the nuclear power plants and fighter jets we've been begging to sell you

DESIGNATED

SHITTING

POST

>>32341210
>begging to sell

Dude your considering selling your shit to us. Big difference burger

>>32341308
Because you retarded fags take 10,000 years and 100 Billion crore shit rupee bribes to get anything done

>>32341365
Yes because bribing US officials also isn't a thug right? Fuck off go take some more paki dick up your ass. And offerins help after 50 fucking years doesn't mean shit.

>>32341410
a thing*

>>32341365
Lmao.

The most corrupt deal in history is the American F-35. Trump is going to fix that though.

>>32339713

underrated

>>32339654
They don't replace the SU30. They replace kinda everything else in the mid spectrum and a2g role in addition to a single engine plane that will be bought under more or less the same tech transfer conditions that were initialy envisioned for the Rafale, due to the fact the Tejas Mk.2 is a very modest plane and will stay at the technological demonstrator level. Keep in mind the Rafale contract comprises 2b for indian specific modifications development cost, which is kinda disproportionate if you only want to buy 36 of the things, and apparently 3b for the preparation of two airbases to house up to 190 Rafales. There will most likely be more orders. Since it seems they figured out they don't have the know-how to assemble them in India, they will likely be divided into multiple small "no need to create a local line just for this" orders, and the Make in India objecive will be shifted to the single engine jet they want to buy. Since Lockheed already said they will assemble their latest F-16 variant solely in India, they are the most obvious contender for the tender.

>>32340513
Stop being butthurt for no reason. They flew Mirages 2000 just fine for decades.

>>32341493
>Congress giving a fuck what Trump thinks about the F-35

Enjoy watching your retard cuck get told to sit down and shut the fuck up for the next four years.

>>32342090

Seriously, Obama got into power hoping to change shit on a wave of populism with both houses (including a Senate supermajority for the first few months), the full support of the DNC, and the media incapable of criticising him for anything because muh first black president, yet he still struggled to get anything meaningful done, doubly so after Ted Kennedy died.

If anyone thinks Trump is going to be able to do better with modest majorities in the legislature, the RNC nurturing a grudge, and the media adding a toothbrush moustache and swastika to everything he does, they are sorely mistaken.

How many Rafales does everyone think India will get in the end?

MRCA was supposed to be for 126 aircraft (with most manufactured in India), but after that was scrapped India ended up making that buy for 36 from France.

Will India keep buying them from France? Will India get a factory and start making them itself? Will they get the M variant for their speculative CATOBAR carrier? Or will this be like Canada's Super Hornet buy, just something interim to tide them over until they make a more permanent decision?

>>32339654
>So the Indian AF have started the process of replacing the SU 30MKI with the Rafale

No. The Rafale will replace Mig21, jaguars, Mig 27s. Not the Su30, the Mig29, or the Mirage 2000H.

It may also become the navy fighter the indian navy will use aboard its next catobar carriers.

>>32339731
Only thing I can say is there is a clear indication in chinese pilots manuals to not engage a Rafale at less than 5000 feet and 450 knots in WVR.

>>32342442
36 From France, there may be 54 built in India through "make in India" policy since they need more of these. This is still in discussion.

There is also a big market for the future indian navy fighter. having both Rafale C/B and M would be clever (80% commonality). Also, considering the Kaveri engine is designed with the help of Snecma and India would be offered with some tech transfert in case of a new big contract, it may be a good idea to build efficiently a capable and cohesive force.

In the end France may sell from 50 (low estimation) to 100 (high estimation) Rafale, and the Indians building 2 to 3 times these numbers as well.

So it will be between 100 and 300. IMHO.

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>>32342442
In the end around 300 +50 if Navy wants them too

They'll get the 36 from France and MII the rest. All the offset stuff I've seen seems to have been aimed at bootstrapping the Indian aviation industry and the subcontractors to level where they can actually deliver the MII-dreams which was the main reason why the earlier 126 deal fell through.

>>32342520
>(80% commonality)
I hear it's more like 95%

>>32342666
>I hear it's more like 95%
between the M and C single seaters it's around 90%. Everything is the same but the gear and hook.
between B and C, the cockpit is different (twin seater and single seater). The commonality between all three versions is thus around 80%.

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>>32342790
With what math is different front landing gear and sturdier hook 10% of the plane? From logistics point of view that's only couple unique SRUs that M has

>>32339654
There was an indian pooposter here a while back claiming the TEJAS was better than the rafale though....

>>32342934
As a poo I apologise on behalf of that fuckwit. Some are just too blinded by poo.

>>32342934
Some can be a bit delusional like that.

It really is a race between HAL and Indian gov on who can get their head out of their arse first. HAL to deliver actually functioning fighter or the gov to figure out they can juts buy the whole damn Saab Aeronautics, set up a production line in India and start producing working """indigenous""" jets that way

>>32341071
is that poo camo?

>>32342952
With the way things are here, I doubt anyone's pulling their head anytime soon.

>>32342442

They bought 36, and there's no real sign of any more. The MoD has already been on record saying that it's too expensive, hence why they're looking at cheaper options.

tl;dr - India's procurement is like a car crash in calender years slow motion.

A more pertinent problem:

Indian nuclear subs. Just imagine the smell when that hatch opens for the first time in a month.

>>32339784
Don't worry India-bro, next war we'll back you so you can take out the other half

>>32342520
>>32343195

Interesting to see two extremes of point of view, one that the Rafale order won't get any bigger, and another than India might end up flying more Rafales than France.

From my point of view, the Su-30MKI is staying in service for a while, the Mig-29K is already in service for their initial carrier (and their CATOBAR one is likely a long way away from being in service), the Tejas is too far along to be cancelled, the Russians will do anything to keep India on board for the FGFA, and I believe that HAL is still working on the AMCA development.

I think it's too late for India's Rafale to ever being anything more than a stop-gap unless we see some really serious delays in current programs. I suspect India would rather get an international partner (potentially France) in on their AMCA, than setting up a Rafale plant.

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>>32343195
>India funds €1.7bn worth of India specific modifications to be developed but only ordered 36 jets (€3.42bn for the platform)
>Upgrades two bases and buys maintenance equipment for them to be able to handle 180+ Rafales
>The offsets are funding investments that Indian companies need to make to be able to do the subcontracting work that making Rafales in India would generate
>Navy is in talks with Dassault for M's
>See, n-no sing of any more

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>>32343303
In the long run they'll be aiming for something like 300 MKI's that then start slowly getting replaced with FGFA's, ~300 jets in the "medium weight"-class i.e Rafales and 300 light fighters preferably indigenous but as TEJAS has been such a shit show they might just get license produced Gripens instead.

Navy is a whole another mater, but they will keep their current Mig's until the hull of the current carriers rusts open. For the new carriers however Rafale is a top contender, but that's not that pressing matter atm

>stubby little chode wings out the side

the fuck dude

>>32340513
How many did we lost due to frog pilots? One of them crashed vertically at mach 2 simply because the pilot died just like that from natural causes lol... The crater is still visible.

>>32343372
As I understand it, the Rafale isn't really cheaper than the Su-30MKI, and while it does have some unique capabilities, I don't see any justification for them to get hundreds of Rafales.

>>32343597
The more you buy the cheaper it is I presume...

>>32343597
PLAAF and PAF have combined ~2500 reasons why Indians would want to get as much modern jets as possible in a reasonable timeframe, and as they don't want to over rely on one supplier the option for more Russian jets is not on the table

Do poos even have any ace squadrons left?

>>32343633
Running with so many foreign black boxes would be such a clusterfuck in a war against China and Pakistan.

India would be so fucking raped in a few weeks.

>>32342539
girls reaction when they see my dick

:(

>>32341010
>China achieves practically everything they set out to do
>it's not really a win for them

Uh huh, tell me more.

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>>32343195
>India's procurement is like a car crash in calender years slow motion.

This. Is there any nation that's worse in military procurement? I swear it's every other week that I read about some procurement deal that falls through because the poos want to change the terms of the contract last minute.

>>32344116
Canada?

>>32344191
maybe, but canada does not have a nuke toting neighbour with a hard on for clay next to it...

OH WAIT

>>32343727
Ching-chongs have a history of sucking at war worse than Arabs.

>>32344265
Good enough for india

>>32344284
They're both shit tier, but India at least has actual combat experience and won some wars in the 20th century. Chongs are just bad.

>>32344306
>literally lost against China
>I'm still talking bullshit

>>32344306
>Lost against China
>Chinese have no experience in the 20th century
>What is Sino Viet war

The Indian military is a joke.
I work with a military think tank and we've run simulations against various scenarios and India suffers extreme losses every time.
My personal favorite was a situation where limited war broke out with South Africa, Falklands style.
The Indian Navy is so comically incompetent that the suffered several losses before any engagement even took place.

India is a paper tiger and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>32344449
>Sino Viet War
>Chinese get butthurt that the NVA is curbstomping Pol Pot
>"W...We'll teach them a lesson!"
>the Chinese advance into Vietnam is singlehandedly blunted by the militia and a bunch of pissed off civilians
>hundreds of thousands of Chinese casualties later
>"T...Take that, t...that's your punishment for attacking an ally!"
>meanwhile the actual Vietnamese army is still in Cambodia and literally didn't have to lift a finger to stop China
>continues to shit all over Pol Pot

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>>32339654
focus on getting plumbing first.