>Combine plate armor and SAPI plates >become fucking invincible

>it only weighs 100lbs!

Only problem is we would probably kill ourselves after the first couple hours.

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it don't work that way

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>>32335791
>yfw this is feasible on lower gravity planets like Mars

>>32335791

The Thinnest level IV plates are too thick for your autistic plan you fool. The thinnest are like 1/2 inch (12.7mm) or more.

Medieval plate armor is 16 gauge (1/16th inch or 1.5875mm) or thinner.

>>32336553

No O2 or ATM can u even use firearms on mars?

>>32337488
> what is oxidizer

>>32337488
Only thing that would fuck up is your zero. Y'know, way less friction and gravity and all.

>>32335855
git gud

>>32335791
>>Combine plate armor and SAPI plates
>>become fucking immobile
>Wow that was dumb
FTFY

>>32335855
Actually medieval Knights carried less weight than a modern soldier. Or in my case US Marine.

Ask me how I know?

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>>32335791
>no SAPI brigandine

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Yeah no. The purpose of armor isn't to make you invulnerable, it's just to reduce the likelihood of instantly dying should you get hit.

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powerarmour when?

>>32338213
You made it up on the spot because marines can't retain information past 30 seconds?

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>>32335791
>heat is an issue
>SAPI plates are thicker and weigh more than the metal that suit is made of

I wish to one day make platemail out of titanium.

>>32335791
Would always rather just carry more ammo, you're certain to die if your position gets overrun. Not saying some body armor isn't a good thing, but it has it's purpose.

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>Not making a shield out of AR500

>>32338316
Not him, play behourd. My kit weighs 37lbs. Max weight for armor in behourd is 50lbs. Has to cover head to toe (helmet, gorget or aventail, cuirass or brigandine, arms, gauntlets, legs and sabatons). Must be 1mm of steel thick, which is as thick as it was irl except for helmet which must be 2.5mm thick. Only unrealistic part is breastplates irl were about 2-3mm thick in center.

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>>32338220
>what is 6B4, 6B5 soviet body armor
Didn't work well though. Small plates were literally driven by bullets into human body with very dangerous behind armor trauma.

>>32335791
Plate armors were mostly made from 1-1.5mm mild steel.
Fan fact: M885 round penetrates soviet Ssh-68 steel helmet t from 950 meters. Helmet is made from 1.2 mm high toughness steel. Knights BTFO.

>>32340586
shoddy soviet stuff

>>32338230
....That's wrong though, and always has been.

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>>32340941

OK, point to a time when armour made one invulnerable.

>>32341035
>50 cal

What's up with the 50 cal in that filename?

50 inches?

>>32341059
The way that works is the gun is 50 times the width of the bore. So a 16 inch 50 cal gun is ~66 feet long

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>>32338181
You'd have way less holdover. That and lack of atmosphere would reduce drag, keeping the bullet faster for longer. There would be almost no sound as the incredibly thin atmosphere barely transmits the vibrations from sonic boom and weapon report. I'm too lazy to do the math, but the gravity is a little over a third, about 3.7 m/s^2 compared to our 9.8 m/s^2.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could get 1000m supersonic out of a .223

>>32341035
http://www.thearma.org/essays/Lalaing.htm
Only ever injured when the armor was avoided, same for most of his opponents.

Modern armor is and always has been meant to STOP whatever it is rated against, not
>just to reduce the likelihood of instantly dying should you get hit.
Armor that is penetrated is considered to have failed, and always has been.

>>32341465
>James lowered his spear and thrust at Herve's face. However, he missed his mark; instead, his point went through the left sleeve of Herve's surcoat and glanced off of the armor underneath. Herve, stepping within distance, struck Sir James so hard on the head with his polaxe that he knocked him to the ground, stunned, face down.

Herve immediately looked to see whether his companions needed assistance, since that was allowed by the rules. As he did so, Sir James began to recover, rising to his knees. Seeing this, Herve struck him to the ground again with numerous blows of his axe. As he turned to aid his friends, Sir James rose yet again, and the two fought briefly with their polaxes. At this point, seeing the danger that the Scottish knights were in, the king ended the fight.

Poleaxes, meanwhile, are dangerous enough that modern practitioners don't use them at full speed. Even rubber heads can easily kill.

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The protection of full plate is overkill since melee combat only occasionally happens in modern combat rather than most of the time like the days of yore.

Maille under a plate carrier or vest should be more than sufficient.

>>32338598
I looked it up once. Somebody made armor out of titanium, but it wasn't very effective. It would transfer more force to the user compared to steel, as it would spring into the user and spring back into shape. So the armor looked fine, but the user was more banged up.

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>>32341035
>>32341465
>>32341547
Fucking exactly. People experimented with, improved, painstakingly crafted, bought, practiced in, and wore armor because it fucking worked. It didn't just sort of dampen the effect, old school plate armor was ridiculously hard to penetrate. The only reason it went away was because it became easier to just pay a bunch of dudes to shove daggers up the one heavily armored knights ass and eyeholes than to actually outfit and train a medieval samurai nearly from birth.
Check out the sweaterbrit's video where they test a fully drawn longbow against actual armor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3qjUzUzQg
I'll spoil it for you, if you are lazy. It literally doesn't scratch it. From only a few yards.
Increasingly modern guns and changes in how war was conducted necessitated the change in armor. For a while, it made sense to wear full plate, then merely breastplate and helm, then just nothing. Then armor started catching back up and we got helmet, helm and plates, and soon we will have full terminator power armor and we've come full fucking circle.

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>>32341465

>Tournament.
AKA, a sport. Also tournament armour tended to be heavier than combat armour. Since you know, they didn't have to wear it all day erry day.
The operative word here is "invulnerable," kids get this idea in their heads that if they just pile enough weight onto themselves then absolutely nothing can harm them. This is totally and utterly false. Yes, armor is rated to stop certain things, but it can't stop everything and the guy wearing it is still going to do his level best to avoid getting hit in the first place. If you come under enough fire you will fucking die and quickly, armor or no armor.

>>32335791
Enjoy either dying of heat exhaustion or shredded by machine gun fire.

>>32341604
Wouldn't increased padding help with that?
Though I'll probably end up going with some titanium alloy the dream of Mithril will never stop for me.

>>32341604

That's true for plate, titanium chainmail is a thing though. Works as well as steel and is lighter. Welded stainless is far more economical though.

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>>32337445
>Medieval plate armor is 16 gauge (1/16th inch or 1.5875mm) or thinner.

Not true. Metal thickness depends on the part, where in the part you look and on metal quality. For common field armour breast plates are thicker at the center then on the edges for example. They can be up to 3-4mm thick there and go as low as 1.5mm or less on the periphery. Helmets follow the same pattern being thicker at the top and brow than on the edges, raning from 3 to 1mm. Arm armour can be 1mm and less at the forarm to make it incredibly light. Medieval period armour was not hammered from x gauge sheet like modern reproductions are; a good Plattner (plate armour maker) is able to optimize a give piece's distribution of metal .

>>32341655
Well shit, I mean yeah. You could have the finest Venetian plate of the day and catch a trebuchet's payload in the chest, your ass is Deus Voluit.

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>>32341755
>Venetian plate

Did you just make that up? The finest Italian armour was Milanese.

>>32338181
Don't think it'd take much work to build a martian ballistic calculator that would give you an Earth-to-Mars zero conversion.

The more I think about it, the more fun shooting on Mars sounds.
>Here we are at the precision rifle finals. >Shooters are set up the the 6K range.
>There's a heavy breeze today, but the dust is staying down.
>Never the less we expect to see some truly fantastic shooting.

>>32341792
>Shooters are set up the the 6K range.

>earth: For an observer on the ground with eye level at h = 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m), the horizon is at a distance of 2.9 miles (4.7 km).

>mars: Mars, on the other hand, is indeed a much smaller planet. The radius of Mars is only 3397 km, which means that from the same height, the martian horizon would appear 3.40 km away.

>precision drop in shooting

yeah, nah.

>>32341822
>He doesn't aim using the reflection of the target from a geostationary mirror satellite.
Do you even oth brah

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>>32341822
Oh anon..... I'm aroused

>>32341859
>>32341822
What about the archery?

>>32341844
that's what I meant by
>precision drop in shooting
and I don't believe this BS.
also
>geostationary mirror satellite
>not portable 1lbs drone

>>32341655
Foot armor for tournaments is not any different than war armor. The ONLY specialized toruney armor was jousting harness and it clearly isn't in use-jousting armor has helmets bolted on. You can't knock them off. Nor can you fight in it on foot, that shit doubles the weight of fighting armor.

>Tournament.
>AKA, a sport.
Fought at full speed, with full kit, with sharp weapons, with no blows pulled until a judge calls a halt.

In addition, I never claimed armor serves to make a person totally impervious.

I am refuting the ridiculous fucking claim that it exists
>just to reduce the likelihood of instantly dying should you get hit.
Knights in particular knew they'd get fucking hit. And, yes, they'd let you do it if they felt it was advantageous to do so.

>>32341863
>What about the archery?
like bows and x-bows? sure, would probably be loads of fun.

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>>32341960
>Foot armor for tournaments is not any different than war armor.

Yes it was:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolbenturnier

>The ONLY specialized toruney armor was jousting harness and it clearly isn't in use-jousting armor has helmets bolted on.

>You can't knock them off. Nor can you fight in it on foot, that shit doubles the weight of fighting armor.

true. those frogmouth helmets go as thick as 11mm at the front. some of the scrapes from impact on some of the surviving examples are deeper than foot harnesses are thick.

>Fought at full speed, with full kit, with sharp weapons,

Nope. Sharps were very rare.

>>32341059
>50 cal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16%22/50_caliber_Mark_7_gun

>>32341998
Literally every fight in the link I provided was explicitly fought with sharps.

>>32338316
kek'd

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>>32335791

https://youtu.be/dKJeFZ3Dbco

>>32338213
Yes but that's with relatively thin steel, not thick SAPI plates you twat

>>32338213
You heard it online and repeated it without seeing evidence.

>>32340876
Same for M1 US helmet.

>>32341822
>aiming at the backs of your competitors while the bullet makes a full orbit around the planet

pay-per-view when?

>>32343307

its a fact.

The current US military equipment tots up to about 60lbs minimum, and normally around 90 lbs.

https://protonex.com/blog/what-do-soldiers-carry-and-whats-its-weight/

is just one web page demonstrating that to be fact.


In contrast:
a harness of 15th C italian plate such as Churburg #20, the "avant" armour weighs on average 23kg. An arming doublet with voiders weighs about 4.5kg, a lance weighs about 3kg, an arming sword and scabbard, belt and all other parts, about 2kg, and a rondel dagger about 0.5kg. 33kg total, 72lbs,

and that's a mounted knight, on horseback, not on foot. German plate, the voiders werent used as much, so that was lighter. Same with english armour, which was for on foot, that would be a pollaxe which weighs less than a lance.