New prototype rifle made by Finnish gun smith student: https

>>32323060
Look pretty alright desu. I like the charging handle but the rifle as a whole doesn't really stick out too much. Seems very standard

mämmi

>>32323060
That.. actually is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. I like that the AK mag is now close to straight insert and drop free with the push of a button. It being a short stroke piston suits my tastes as well (M1 carbine and SKS ftw).

So.. can we get the blueprints for this...?

Looks hot. I like long things, barrels too.

No iron sights, no bayonet attachment, less than stellar caliber, no cleaning rod or provisions for a kit, questionable amount of rail space in non useful locations, no dust cover but may have provisions for one.

Great mag release addition, charging handle on the left, nicely profiled, seems accurate (with handloads)

Looks lukeva g3/CETME grip fcg housing, lower also looks like plastic.


Overall preddy guud for a prototype. Doubtful the Finns would adopt it as is

>>32323219
This. For a student its 10/10 work. Real life its 6/10. Might be viable after some major work.

>>32323219

>seems accurate (with handloads)

Those are factory Sako 7.62x39 ammo, cheaper and lower quality than Lapua.

>>32323243
Alright i retract that point. I read handguard as handload.

Who does yellow lettering?

>no last-round hold-open

Come on people; it's 2016!

>>32323219
What year are you living in where you want your cleaning rod on your weapon? Bayonets are a meme at this point and you could easily add irons onto the top rail.

>>32323060
its interesting, and I like the mag release, but it looks like he ripped off my idea of copying the VZ52 gas system, until there is more info on the operating mechanism, (which he shouldnt release yet anyway if he can patent it) I am not as impressed as I could be with a prototype. but I am very impressed with the student and his work

>>32323219
>no irons
are you fucking retarded
>no bayonet attachment
The US is getting rid of that anyway, who cares
>less than stellar caliber
like its not the most popular round on the damn planet
>no cleaning rod or kit
no, its not an AK, and its also a fucking prototype
>questionable amount of railspace etc
you best make some more coffee because i dont think your brain is working properly
>no dust cover
so. fucking. what. unless you mean for the ejection port, in which yes there are provisions for one, ie; holes

>>32323321
Found the tacticool faggot who thinks combat is fought on a bench rest.

>>32323060
You did a good job OP

>>32323333
with respect to your trips, its a fucking prototype and EVERYTHIGN you listed as lacking is easily remedied. idiot

>>32323346
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
THOSE ARE QUADS YOU FUCKING MONGOL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32323292
That was just a poor choice on mags.

Even if it was designed with a receiver mounted bho the mag doesn't have any way to trip it.

>>32323321
Iron sights are a must unless you intend the gun to only be for DMRs.

>>32323346
You misczeched him dude. Not cool

>>32323346
He got quads. But you are right about the fact that it is subject to drastic change and improvement.
>>32323060
Made my dick hard. Hope he dicks around with a version in a different caliber. 7/10 prototype.

>>32323346
No shit. But without an honest feedback loup all you get is a participation trophy.

Hes clearly passed the "does it work" phase.

>>32323060
Looks like patent infringement to me desu.

Kind of hard to call it a prototype when it looks exactly like a gun that's been in production for 3 years in a different country (CMMG Mutant).

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>>32323060
I now have a huge urge to buy one
T: Finnfag

>>32323346
>Quads

Pretty cool a student was able to make something functional. I doubt the design would go anywhere, but probably a great resume booster for the student

>>32323060
Looks good, but I am not an expert, so what ever.

>>32323364
>>32323379
>>32323384
>>32323403

yeah yeah im more focused on "fuck you you rail loving faggot, what are rail mounted accessories for 500 Alex" than I am on his sheer dumb luck of a get.

>>32323373
do me a quick favor, websearch 'rail mounted iron sights' and then shoot yourself in the hand so you stop typing for a while

>>32323402
My only issue is the choice in x39. Otherwise, looks like a pretty nice gun.

>>32323400
CMMG mutant is DI, not short stroke piston
CMMG mutant uses AK mags but has a standard rock and lock action for the magazine, not push button drop free.
CMMG mutant has standard AR charging handle in standard shitty spot

Other than caliber and a passing resemblance, these are two entirely different weapons.

>>32323321
>He ripped off my idea of ripping someone off

lol

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>>32323458

I think the whole point of the rifle is the caliber so many of the reservist shooters in Finland already have cheap ass ammunition, mags, etc. for it.
And it's the same caliber the army uses.

Of course the whole concept is nothing new, but the fact that he has made most of the rifle himself really makes me appreciate it.

>>32323427
Your making stuff up desu

Nobody said rails are bad. Just there is needless amount of rail in places accessories don't normally go. Why do you think (lawl) that mlok and keymod became popular? Both of which require a non standard mounting solution.

Right now you would have a sub optimal location for bipods amoung other accessories

Hard mounted iron sights will always be better than rail mounted back ups. This particular rifle can't even mount them at the far barrel end, a design limitation only made acceptable by the solid mount the rear could achieve .

>>32323427
>>32323403 (ME)

I got you. Pretty much all of the criticisms are things that can be fixed if this gun went into full production

Also about it being 7.62x39: This is a Finnish student. Finland still uses 7.62x39. Why wouldn't he make a military style rifle in the round used by his country? The likelihood of this design going anywhere isn't high but if he had any desire for it to be adopted it'd probably be best to stick with what the Finns (and a host of other nations) still use.

>>32323060
Brass ejection angle seems inconsistent. Otherwise, neat as fuck.

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>>32323522
just shut the fuck up
heres a picture of why youre an idiot, try to think of what it means before you post again

>>32323507
heh someone got it
for real though, the vz52 gas system (which is really fucking cool) is the only explanation I can see for the odd gas block, since the video doesnt show much of anything about operating mechanism.

>>32323561
the absolute only problem i have with 7.62x39 is the case taper, which makes extraction and feeding behave differently than straight walled cartridges. And if you design a operating mech/system around that tapered case, you can run into problems later trying to adopt the same operating mech/system to a straight walled cartridge in the same platform, and vice versa. ie: 762x39 ar15s

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>>32323686
None of those are the pictured rifle. Please go back to your hugbox so you may receive your participation trophy.

Its called constructive feedback. Something lost in the millennial and later generation.

>>32323427
You need to respect the digits faggot

>>32323427
The rails are too short for have a useful sight radius.

>>32323725
do you really not know how easy it is to make a longer handguard? the student in the OP has his that short for two reasons
1: to access the gas block without removing the handguard
2: a 10" piece of aluminum is cheaper than a 14" piece of aluminum
bonus#3: its a fucking prototype. a proof of concept for the operating mechanism of the gas system and the mag release, the IMPORTANT things the make the rifle actually FUNCTION and take actual WORK to DESIGN. the shit you are complaining that it lacks, can be bolted on as a complete afterthought because they are not essential to the function of the weapon. Kinda like how your car can function without a stereo or passenger seats, or a paint job

No bayonet lug? How is anyone supposed to use it for home defense without a bayonet?

>>32323870
And that's why it will not make it to serial production, desu senpai

>>32323855
>Tries to argue a short rail can be easily mafe longer
Alright
>Then tries to argue a short rail cannot be made longer in this case because the gas system
Right.

So how are we going to bolt on a useful rail system that doesn't limot the iron sights to a short radius?

Oh right by having hard mounted iron sights as the original comment stated.

But wait that still leaves it terrible for bipods, peq2 lasers, flashlights, and anything else that works better at the end of the barrel.

So we this current design we cannuse vertical forgrips and drink caddys


So we have an abnormally high amount of dead weight in the form of rails.

Lets just give the kid a pat on the bacl and say goodjob instead of offering improvements. That way he wont feel bad or something.


This isn't a car radio. Ask any Californian how important mag release is.

This is not a proofe of concept, it haz a very high attention to cosmetics and non essential parts (muzzlebrake, railed handguard, gucci stock) this might of been a 'finals' type piece and is a prototype solely for pre production should he go that route.

>>32323964
congrats, you trolled me gud

>>32323964
> $50 magpul stock
>gucci stock
>gucci
Faggot

>>32324800
Its not an a1 or m4 stock. Also its in Finland so its imported

>>32323219
>less than stellar caliber
>wow, another gun in 5.56/7.62 that takes AR mags

>buffer tube

FUCK

man, daytime /k/ is shit

>>32323232
Dem digits doe

>>32327241

/k/ is always shit. It's just slower at night and filled with shitposting Aussies, snobby Europeans, North American NEETs and people with insomnia.

>>32325067
As would an M4 or A2 style stock be you fag. Magpul furniture is cheap and readily available pretty much everywhere.

>>32323458
From my understanding the Finns really like 7.62x39 because of the heavy foliage in their country, which a heavier bullet has an easier time going through than a lighter bullet like 5.56 or 5.45.

Needs a last round hold-open and a bolt release button or lever. Otherwise looks pretty slick.

>>32323156
To me it seems like mag insertion is still nose-in, rock back. In the video he does it smoothly and the mag well covers the top part of the mag so it's hard to see, but I think it's just a standard AK mag insertion but with a button mag release.

>>32327834
The button release would in theory allow the mag to just be shoved in there forcing the catch back.

Also bolt hold opens are mag dependant, something the ak never had until later. Might be the lacking magazine

>>32323219
Biggest issue is lack of a bolt hold-open device.

>>32327443
Makes sense then. Plus, Russia is next door, and considering the scuffles they have with them, it's good to also be able to chamber your weapons with the ammo of your enemy

>>32327443

Leaves don't stop bullets.

>>32330365

Russia has not used a rifle which fires 7.62x39 for more than 30 years.

>>32323060
Kinda cool. About as marketable as a submachine gun after WW2.

>>32323060
pretty cool. If they're imported into the US I would probably pick it up as my first AK type rifle.


it'd be best if it had a side folding stock and a last round hold open.

>>32323060

interesting.

>>32330555

You really that Russian military is not still using also various rifles of AKM-family that are in 7.62 x 39. Newsflash - they are.

Just because their manufacturing shifted from AKM to AK-74 about 30 years ago does not mean that older rifles would not in still in use as well.

>>32332311
Should be:
"You really think that Russian military is not still using also various rifles of AKM-family that are in 7.62 x 39?"

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>>32323060
What exactly is new about this rifle?

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>>32332405

>>32323232
what do you call those repeating gets?

>>32330555
>Leaves don't stop bullets.
No, but branches can divert bullets, causing them to miss. The heavier the bullet, the less likely it is for it to dramatically deflect from hitting small trees or big branches.

is Finland the coldest of Scandinavian countries? (ignore Iceland)

>>32332527
>>32330555
>>32327443
In addition to the foliage interfering, usually the maximum engagement distances in finnish landscape not including lapland are around 150-300 yards.

>>32332405
For one its not another fucking ar-15.

>>32332654
Finland has some of the coldest places in fennoscandia. I'd say it has the coldest average temperatures, if not the coldest recorded temperature.

>>32332468
meta quads?

>>32323275
People who watch old anime

>>32332654
Finland isn't in scandinavia.

But Norway has islands in the north and also clay in antarctica, so it'll probably win.

>>32333140
>YFW some people still use VLC

>>32323060
Looks quite alright, would feel adequately armed with.

>>32323219
>No iron sights
It has a toprail.

>no bayonet attachment
Might not be intended as a service rifle.

>less than stellar caliber
There are more practical calibers, sure, but ultimately, 7.62x39mm is very common and abundant in Finaland, and being a gunsmithing student, this is a functioning starting point.
When making your first gun, start with a common and conventional caliber.

>no cleaning rod or provisions for a kit,
Doesn't strictly need it.

>questionable amount of rail space in non useful locations,
It's got a quad-rail, which while I personally don't prefer, has plenty of space for mounting whatever.

>no dust cover but may have provisions for one.
I would suggest a dustcover, yeah, not a pressing need, but it's a simple device and not a bad thing to have.

>>32323333
Again, this might not be intended as a service rifle or fighting rifle, but more than anything as a sporting rifle.

>>32323464
>standard AR charging handle in standard shitty spot
There is literally nothing wrong with the AR15 charging handle.

>>32333362
I don't think it's really intended as anything except a one-off student project, and in that regard it's damn impressive.

This dude has designed and built a functional and accurate semi-auto rifle as a student. That's pretty exceptional, most similar commercial projects require whole teams of designers and machinists and take years, and most individual smiths will at most make copies of proven designs. I'm not saying he's the next Browning, as we haven't seen the internals and it's probably pretty conventional, but it's still something to applaud.

>>32333414
Oh yeah, it's quite impressive for a student to do on his own.

>>32333414
This. Even today, most single-man / student projects end up being single-shot pipe guns at best, sometimes with tacked on AR stock and a cheap red-dot sight.

>>32333373
>retarded to charge while shouldering the weapon
>"literally nothing wrong"

pick one and only one

>>32334337
I don't know why people are complaining, I can charge it with my left hand without having to break my sight picture, are you just a manlet or what?

>>32334364
I'm sure you can do that while running and under fire. Get a grip, we are not talking about a plinking/range toy design, but something that is intended for military.

Shitty charging handle is by far one of the worst features on the AR platform.

>>32334364

A non-reciprocating left-side charging handle would still be much nicer, man.

Is there a bayonet that fits on rails?

>>32334457

I want to say yes, but no brands come to mind. I do know that there are picatinny rail adapters for some bayonets.

I'll take two

>>32334450
I would actually prefer a right-side charging-handle that reciprocates.

>>32334399
If I'm running and taking fire, am I going to be keeping my gun to my shoulder and looking down the sights still, or heading for cover as fast as I can?

>>32323060
Soon banned by the EU

>>32334616

It'd be non-restricted in Canada, though.

>>32333414
>I'm not saying he's the next Browning
Probably not, given that his government will, sooner or later, ban self-loading rifles and pistols from civilian use. Gun law in this country went from shit to absolute shit after 1997. Social democracy - the stuff dreams are made of.

>>32326344
Probably just using it to mount AR stocks

>>32326344
Probably just using it to mount AR stocks

>>32323060
suomi mainittu

tortillat avataan

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>>32323060
hope he's not using the buffer spring. folding stocks could be an option if he isn't

no excuse for not having at least an ambi fire selector.

this is a cool rifle otherwise. weight is respectable at 8lbs, he could go lighter if his upper was Al. nice groups.
>possibility to use AR handguards
>AR pistol grips
>AR triggers
all bonuses

the magwell is novel, but negates the advantage of where mags you rock in are easy to load on a closed bolt

as far as hybrid rifles go, my favorite is still the M10X

>>32334911
>M10X
heard their reliability is shit.

why are AR/AK hybrids so fucken sex

>>32335086
for the same reason lightskin girls are the most powerful race on the planet

best of both worlds

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>>32336789
Because sometimes they're done very well.

>>32323232
kek has spoken

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>>32330555
>Russia has not used a rifle which fires 7.62x39 for more than 30 years
Wrong, Russians don't primarily use rifles that use 7.62x39 but they do still use them in small numbers, mainly as a suppressed platform.

>>32323243
Sako is still miles ahead of other European military AND civilian ammo manufacturers. Sako milspec 7,62x39 is better than most civilian 7,62x39.

>>32323219
>No iron sights
What are rail mounted sights?

>no bayonet attachment
Bayonets have been obsolete for decades, also it's a prototype weapon, you could easily add one on a more finished product

>less than stellar caliber
7.62x39 is the standard service caliber for the Finns, also you could easily make a 5.56 or 5.45 variant down the road, again, it's a prototype

>no cleaning rod or provisions for a kit
Just like the M16/M4

>questionable amount of rail space in non useful locations
True, could definitely go with less rails

>no dust cover
Once again, prototype, could easily add one down the road

Shits a proof of concept anon, no rifle has ever been perfect in the first stages of its life.

>>32334616
Not if our politicians don't eat their promises, and you cucks sign that online petition.

>>32337275

>Sako milspec 7,62x39

wat

I'm pretty sure all "milspec" 7.62x39 ammo manufactured in Finland is Lapua since they have had the contract with FDF ever since it was called VPT.

>>32337300
M16 and M14 both kept cleaning kits in the buttstock. Not that it matters

>>32323561
That and also that it would be a huge pain in the ass logistically and economically to change calibers for little overall benefit.

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>>32334457
just comedy pistol ones

>>32323686
>And if you design a operating mech/system around that tapered case, you can run into problems later trying to adopt the same operating mech/system to a straight walled cartridge in the same platform
yeah that could actually be an issue later. 7.62x39 extracts easy. He'll need to test with straighter walled cartridges soon if he wants to convert it.

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>>32337243
AK-103 and Ak-104 are standard issued for some police force

>>32342049
all of this is speculation until we see the gas system, I was running on the theory that it was the Vz. 52 barrel sleeve short stroke tappet thing, but you *could* hide a gas tube or piston up in that handguard. I'm super interested in how he did it, I have engineers blue balls

>>32323321
>>no bayonet attachment
>The US is getting rid of that anyway, who cares
Also to other guys who are mad about bayonets.

They are obsolete but the deal is that bayonet lug adds total 5 grams of weight to the gun and just as much to your knife/wirecutter combo(which your soldiers need anyway), which is fucking nothing. Really there is no reason to not have it but it can be easily added so it's not a con.

>>32332419
>RRA LAR-47 Delta Carbie

Can a name be more meme than that?

>>32330555
>Russia has not used a rifle which fires 7.62x39 for more than 30 years.
They do, with subsonic loads as a "we won't give grunts 9x39 rifle for fucks sake but we need something relatively silent" weapon.

>>32323060
looks cool, but also looks exactly like their current gun?

>>32323060
where do we get brass case Sako 7.62x39 ammo

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>>32333373

>>32334399
>I'm sure you can do that while running and under fire
I'm sure you're going to worry about charging your gun while shouldering it when you're running and under fire, nogunz

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>>32323060

what the fug!!

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>>32342262
>also looks exactly like their current gun
Nigga you what?

>>32342233
>and just as much to your knife/wirecutter combo(which your soldiers need anyway),
You're still laboring under the apprehension that this is intended as a service rifle, when it quite plausibly isn't.

>>32323232
>Those digits.
US Military adoption of this rifle across the board when?

>>32334728
Finnish politicians are antigun? I thought they were pro-gun because of the fear of russians.

>>32342307
No. There is nothing wrong with it.

I bet you're bothered by slide safeties too.

>>32323060
Oh wow another ak/ar hybrid, this is sooooo original

>>32342625

AFAICT without seeing the internals, the only component it seems to share with the AK is the magazine.

>>32342625
It's short-stroke.

Also it's not the design itself that's cool, it's that a student put this rifle together, mostly from parts he made himself, it functioning consistently and scoring pretty nice groupings.

>>32342474
>I thought they were pro-gun because of the fear of russians.
They´re as much "pro-gun" as Britain, Australia or Canada - in other words, they view private firearms ownership as a privilege, and would gladly concentrate every last lead-breathing babby killer into the hands of government agencies, the police and the military. Conscripts are handed rifles and expected to give their lives in defence of the country, and yet a honest, law-abiding reservist must jump through outrageous hoops to obtain anything more "modern" than a bolt-action rifle or double-barreled shotgun. I weep at the political ideology of my fatherland.

The concept of a right to keep and bear arms for defence against common criminals, the government and foreign nations never landed on Finnish shores. That our firearm legislation remained lax (by European standards) until 1997 is a minor miracle.

>>32343396
>That our firearm legislation remained lax (by European standards) until 1997 is a minor miracle.
>Gun control suddenly tightened in the mid-late 90's

It's pretty telling that this was the case just about everywhere.

As long as globalism requires that we all give up our rights, then it and anyone who espouses it can go fuck themselves.

>>32343537
>It's pretty telling that this was the case just about everywhere.
Stricter gun control was not enacted in every European country after the Soviet era. Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Serbia, and Bosnia are examples of countries that have either loosened gun laws or kept to their old ways.

The USA, on the other hand, has not had laxer federal and (on average) state gun law since the beginning of the 20th century.

>>32342087
Yeah, no. Russian internal affairs ministry buy only AK-105.

>>32343583

The US had a Federal Assault Weapon Ban in the 90's. The UK banned handguns in the 90's. Australia banned. Australia banned semi-auto's, handguns over a specific caliber and even pump-action shotguns. Canada banned .32 and .25 caliber pistols, all pistols with barrels shorter than 106mm, a plethora of firearms by name and confiscated many without compensation. New Zealand introduced a feature-based ban ("MSSA") somewhat similar to the US AWB.

I can go on and on and on. Most countries that tightened firearm laws in the 90's also implemented registration of firearms.

Australia's "International Action Network on Small Arms", IANSA for short, has been involved in restricting firearm ownership the world over and is funded directly by globalist assholes like George Soros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAC2drbnfCg

Skip ahead ~42 minutes to see the head of IANSA get wrecked.

>>32343396
Socialists ruin everything.

would be nice if it had bolt hold open

>>32327241
>>32327356
I try to come back every once in awhile but inevitably I see the quality of posts is really lackluster and leave. 80% of posters might as well be in a /v/ shooter thread.

>>32343665
>The US had a Federal Assault Weapon Ban in the 90's

And assault weapons were so rarely used in crime in the USA that the FBI even came out and said it did absolutely nothing and if it did, its effect was so small it was not measurable.

To claim the Assault Weapons Ban did anything in the USA to lower crime is directly ignoring the FBI's report.

>>32323232
Excellent quintdubs my man

>>32344198
I don't think anyone argued otherwise?

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>>32344198

Do you think any of the other laws I mentioned made a positive difference? Because it's very clear they didn't.

I think you need to re-read that conversation.

>>32343665
>The US had a Federal Assault Weapon Ban in the 90's.
That lapsed, and since then, guns have become less regulated in 90% of states. Adding to that, the Supreme Court affirmed a decidedly individualistic view of the second amendment as the correct interpretation.

>>32346196

The entire point was that almost every western country tightened gun control in the 90's. Whether it has gotten worse since then or gotten better is besides the point.

There was a concerted effort by globalists to disarm the entirety of the western world and there continues to be one but it's a losing fight for them because they have to rely on straight-up lies and circular logic to make any headway because people would rightfully tell them to fuck off if they told them "We need to take away all your guns so that you can't revolt against our One World Government".

>>32334457
Get a solid scope Mount with rings and find a knife that fits in it.

>>32342625
>I only looked at the outside of the gun so I know all the internals n' stuff

>>32323060
I'd buy it if it's below 1k. Either that or I'd buy the specs so I can make a couple for myself and family.

I don't get how no one can fucking tell it's not an AR-15 nor an AK 47. There's no forward assist or parallel charging handle, nor is there any long stroke piston/direct impingement. Are people here that blind.