IS destroyed 2 Turkey leopard 2A4 Leopard 2 is confirmed as the

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>>32311240
second Leopard

>>32311240
video you cunt. you cant just post a still frame and say "habib its totally destroyed no one survived, tank is shit lets get fucking kebabs"

>>32311240
Video pls pls pls

>>32311240
if you give a child a m4 and it kills itself, that doesn't mean the rifle is bad. roaches can't fight for shit and the leo 2a4 is ancient.

>>32311246
>posting still images of explosions like they matter

I want to see the aftermath, images of an explosion don't tell you if it's from the missile detonation or the vehicle itself popping

>>32311273
dune coons are notoriously terrible with armour of any kind heck its taken them 5 years to realise they should put spaced armour on their tanks

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>>32311281
>krauts are notoriously terrible with armour of any kind heck its taken them 25 years to realise they should put spaced armour on their leopard 2

>>32311301
>one of "them"

>>32311264
>>32311268
>>32311273
>>32311279
IS only release still image
no video yet

>>32311317

They are probably recording some dank fresh nasheeds to dub over it.

>That drop when the ATGM hits

>>32311240
2 already? Jesus, what an embarrassment to Turkey and Germany.

>>32311333
2 leopard in one place

if you count the one from yesterday, it is three Leopard

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finally the meme of "muh western crew survivability" is destroyed like the shitty myth it is.

only took them 30 years to actually go into battle.

>>32311341
you say while its not even confirmed if A) the tanks is actually destroyed comepletely and B) the crew didnt survive.

and why is fighting dune coons in syria with rpg's and atgms "battle" and fighting t-72's in iraq (talking about abrams specifically) and mountain dune coons in afghan with atgms and rpgs not considered "battle"

Furthermore, as its been clearly shown by western tanks, Leclerc, abrams, merkava4(yes it's considered western) that it's not a myth.

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>merkava
you mean that tank that has hulla armor laugable even by late 60s standards, and worse ammo stafety than a fucking T-55?
lmao

From the looks of the pics it is a monkey model Leopard 2

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>>32311378

>not confirmed the tanks were destroyed
oh i guess that gigantic black flaming thing in place of where the first leo was supposed to be cannot possibly be a destroyed tank

>and why is fighting dune coons in syria with rpg's and atgms "battle" and fighting t-72's in iraq (talking about abrams specifically) and mountain dune coons in afghan with atgms and rpgs not considered "battle"

both of them were 'battles', except the western experience fighting an outdated, badly equipped and supplied army with strategic, numerical, information and technological advantages was used as a definitive case study in how conventional mechansied war against actual soviet or russian adversaries would go for the west. The myth of the invincible western MBT was born as a result of that war, and now it is being disspelled by an other war on the same land.

>>32311341
>decade of war in Afghanistan with almost all of NATO armor represented
>no tank crew members killed by armor penetration
>virtually no tank taken out of action permanently
>roaches lose three (including crews, presumably) in a matter of weeks to kebabiphate on the verge of collapse

>>32311418
they are Bundeswehr Leopard 2A4, sold to Turkey in 2005

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>>32311428
> Afghanistan
>no modern AT weapons
>Syria/Yeman/Iraq 2016
>US/Russia supply region with 20 years old ATGMs
>invincible western MBT burn like matches
Could there be some relationship between these facts?

So if 3 destroyed Leos are an indicator of hiw "bad" it is, anything Russian is worse than the fucking Bob Semple. OP is a massive faggot and this thread is bait.

No tank can take a side turret hit with a modern ATGM

Leopard 2 has ok turret ammo stowage; similar to the M1

Its hull stowage isn't good, though

>>32311451

At least the crew will survive if the ammo goes up with an M1 (and Leopard 2 if the turret ammo goes up)

T-series, no

>invincible

I'm guessing you forgot about the dozen or so M1s that were destroyed in ODS with Hellfire and 120mm FF

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This just proves that you can have really great equipment but that it is useless without proper training.

>>32311333

Why?

ATGMs beat static tanks due to range advantage

>>32311341

Leopard 2 has similar ammo stowage to the M1 in the turret. That's about as good as you can get.

Leopard 2s lost = 2

Abrams lost = 0

Slav and Nazi boos BTFO

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>>32311468

>>32311453
1 year in Syria, SAA only lost 3 T-90

>>32311503

>grief

Fuck off you retard; I only care about factual accuracy.

>>32311486
>leopard
>slav
are you high?

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>>32311486
looks like someone hasn't been paying attention in the past 2 years.

>>32311486
Iraq and Saudi have lost almost 100 Abrams

>>32311451
Kebab crews are disgustingly inept (granted they've been working with bloc leftovers for the past couple of decades). Regardless of the AT weapon, hitting any tank from behind will knock it out. The "invincible" western MBT myth has as much to do with the vehicle itself as it does with the crews behind it.
>>32311468
Also this

>>32311525
fake isis propaganda

>>32311526
shit tier arabs who cant fight dont count

>>32311541

Nah, that's not fake.

That's what it looks like when an M1 is hit in the bustle.

The tank isn't actually destroyed, as it can be repaired.

>>32311525
That tank could actually be returned to action, what you're seeing is the blowout panels going up. Notice how the crewman looks fine and the vehicle reverses slightly.

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>>32311537
>will survive if the ammo in the turret goes up

questionable at best and situation dependant. We've seen M1s produce infernoes through their crew hatches in yemen, even though the bustle was supposed to protect them.
Also the leopard carries only about half of its load in the turret ready rack. It can throw it's turret and will throw it when hit in the hull just as well as any T72.

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>>32311550
>>32311556
not for this one
the fire is from TC and loader hatch

>>32311560

>crew hatches

I don't see it in the videos where people say it's happening; too grainy.

The only way the conflagration can go to the fighting compartment in an M1 is if the ammo doors are open.

Yes, the hull ammo stowage on the Leopard 2 is poor (though it's better than the T-series as it's only in one location).

>>32311563
I think that one actually was fake, it was an abandoned Abrams they rigged with explosives on the inside.

Don't get me wrong, Abrams have been knocked out in combat, but they aren't the paper tigers a lot of people on this board make them out to be.

>>32311563

That was from explosives thrown in the hatch.

>>32311453
Ammo storage on Leopard 2A4 is arguably less safe than T-72

The ready rack has blowout panels but there are a bunch of others rounds stored next to the driver and they stack some way up the hull's cross-section rather than being as low as possible

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>>32311563

>>32311582

>less safe than T-series

Nah

The T-series will go up with a hull hit from any direction (that has enough penetration)

The Leo 2 needs a front left hit

>>32311585

Fire would have eventually destroyed the hydraulics on the doors here

>>32311563
I think flame cones out of blow out panels, but tank is finished anyway see smoke from gun barrel.

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>>32311486

>>32311600

Spread fire

Not supporting your argument

>>32311593
Isn't FM suggested to stay in tank?

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>>32311606
goalpost moving
undermining your own

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>>32311240

HAHA, you fuckers made fun of Slavshits all this time, and now ISIS have shown that your fabled Western MBTs - the Leopard 2 and M1 Abrahams are no better than a fucking T-72...

AHAHAHAH

Based sand niggers.

>>32311623

>le a tank burning out means something

That would be you moving the goal post.

>>32311621

Yes, as it's safer than getting out of the tank and getting hit with exploding shells

>>32311642

>gets hit in side with ATGM
>still has the turret attached to the hull
>BTFO!!!!!!!

Yeah, no.

What do you expect when a tank is hit in the side with an ATGM?

>>32311341
That strawmaning. That goalshifting. That obvious denial what was ment.

Vatnik butthurt, best butthurt.

>>32311428

>Afghanistan
>Heaviest weapon is an RPG with ancient warheads from the 60s
>HURR, LEOPARD HAS ADMIRABLE RECORD

Yet the second day it gets transported into a theater where the sand niggers have been kindly equipped by Hillary the US State Department with TOW-2s, RPG-29s, Metys-M etc. they get instantly BTFO.

Tickles the grey matter doesn't it?

>>32311652

I believe the one hit yesterday threw its turret.

Keep in mind, the Leopard 2 has hull storage of main gun ammo (next to the driver) which is definitely liable to pop the turret.

Give it another day or two and you'll see.

>>32311642
>Abrahams

what is that?

>>32311240
This video proves that T72's are just as capable, if not more, than the most modern of Western designs.

>>32311670
>Tickles the grey matter doesn't it?
Your seems to be dead for years, it is probaly rotting gases.

>>32311670

To be fair, an IED has the potential to better than any ATGM, and crew were killed in Afghanistan with such.

But yes, direct fire weapons were very outdated. At best they had the odd Milan left over and captured from the French, but there was no reported hits.

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>>32311688

Don't be so upset. Unless you old man was an engineer for the Leopard 2 design team, you shouldn't be ashamed.

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>>32311331

>>32311677

I can't see it

The video shows a burning tank, albeit intact

The pictures show nothing other than the hit

The tanks were hull down, and the hits were on the turret

You need a front left hit to take the turret on a Leo 2; no pictures show such

Of course, fire can spread and get to the hull stowage and send it, but that's not a problem insofar as crew safety goes, as being in a burning tank isn't smart.

>>32311704
>You need a front left hit to take the turret on a Leo 2; no pictures show such

A modern ATGM can burn through the frontal turret armor.

>>32311700
>Tank gets hit by an ATGM in the side and gets killed
>something new

Goddamn, should have bought them T-72, roaches.

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>>32311682
what video?
and you don't actually believe that do you?

>>32311714

I mean front left hull hit to hit the ammo in the hull

Turret hits won't send the turret flying

Kornet and TOW-2A can probably get through the 2A4 turret armor, yes

>>32311722
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>>32311734
Kek, look at this butthurt vatnik

>>32311734
yes

>>32311515
Can you not read?

>>32311511
And how many T-72s?

>>32311734

6/10

>>32311240
pretty sure this would be all over the international news if it was true. could you please post the videos?

>>32311767
You are giving him to much credit, the average vatnik can fart out something like this 5 times a day.

>>32311734
8/10 if it was actually your own writing.

>>32311789
>if it was actually your own writing.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/101767301/#q101768562
Obviously not.
Obviously it is a /pol/tard shitposting.

>>32311772
>turkey admitting to having lost tanks against sand people
lmaoing at your thought process m8.

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>>32311772

>Turkey
>Transparent about military losses

Erdogan operates like Stalin, he has little public consent, nor does he care, he's pretty much using the military like his own play-thing now.

Remember that Cobra shoot-down video? It was reported as a technical malfunction.

>>32311642
>M1 Abrams in battle of Easting
>Zero destroyed
>only three bradleys destroyed in total
>160 Iraq T-72s were obliterated
>600-1000 Iraqi KIA
>12 Americans KIA
>1300+ Iraqi prisoners
>How much gunpowder do you have to snort to think the M1 Abrams is not better than a T-72 anon?

>>32311810
>Remember that Cobra shoot-down video? It was reported as a technical malfunction.
That is pretty russian tier.

>>32311803
actually a roach here, I know better than anyone how full of shit our government is. but sandniggers will yell and scream allahu ackbar and claim they killed 10 infidels even when they hit a trash can with a bottle rocket.

>>32311821
Your country should be nuked, fucking roach.

>>32311821
>one trash can
>at least 10 roaches inside
math checks out.
(no hard feelings m8)

>>32311810
but sooner or later they had to face the truth, mostly due to quality camera work of the kurds.
similiarly, an F-16 crashed yesterday near an airbase. the official claim is obviously "technical difficulties"

>>32311832
kek

>>32311813

There were 3 Abrams losses leading right into the Battle of 73 Easting, with crew casualties and penetrations, just a minor correction.

Still, it was a great military victory, but the sand monkeys are hardly a worthy adversary, and their locally assembled T-72s were some of the worst ever made. The crews didn't even know how to use the obsolete active night vision equipment.

>>32311846
Breddy sure they didn't even have night vision.

>>32311810
>he has little public consent
lol

you know nothing of turkey

the majority of the people of turkey support erdogan

>he's pretty much using the military like his own play-thing now.
people in turkey approve greatly of the military actions

>>32311900
> Majority of people
That majority should gas itself with other ethnic minorities such as rebel kurds and turkey will be a fine secular country again.

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>>32311900
>People of turkey
>Turkey
>People
lmao

>>32311906
>post picture of Abrams get hit by rocket
>doesnt show aftermath
POSTER-A-SHIT.jpg

>>32311927
the cockroaches of turkey if you want yes

>>32311924
secularism is over rated anyway

>>32311317
So then how can it be said that the tanks were destroyed?

>>32311424
>oh i guess that gigantic black flaming thing in place of where the first leo was supposed to be cannot possibly be a destroyed tank

A scorch mark is now a destroyed tank?

How asshurt are you?

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>Anti tank weapons can kill tanks

well, fuck me backwards with a telegraph pole, who would have thought?

>>32311240
Probably drove away. Which is why ISIS isn't releasing video or pics of the destroyed tank.

Once again, German Armor is superior.

>>32311933
like when K/ucks kept posting the video of the VBIED blowing on on the abrams only to discover that it was completely fine bar a black smear on the front right skirt

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Is this the third Leo?

>>32312025
well from this picture we can clearly see JACK SHIT

>>32311900
public consent =/= affirmative action of a bunch of bootlickers

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>>32311981
>mfw they cant show what happened after, because one leopard turned its turret to the camera afterwards and starts shooting them

>>32311906
>>32311933
>>32312007
And similarly with most photos of blown Merkavas. I even remember a video from 2014 that was poorly edited enough to show the tank being intact after getting hit.

ITT: random explosion stills
guise another leo was destroyed since the posting of this >>32312025
completely obliterated to smithereens

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sorry forgot my bulletproof evidence

>>32312048
not forgetting the one showing the active protection working

>>32312056
OMG! Armata destruction confirmed!!!! VATNIKS BTFO!!!?!! Will they ever be able to recover?

>>32311418
>muh monkey modelsssss guys

Why don't we all just wait for actual proof instead of a shitty couple of stills which don't show anything other than a fireball, which to a tank can be nothing

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I'm CIA

flames from turret hatches of 1st leopard seems plausible

hull ammo probably hit + cook off

>>32312111
inaccurate

>>32312111

>didnt say "I'm CIA" at the end of your post

DEBUNKED.

>>32312118
4u

>>32311854

All T-72s have NV but with exception of new upgrades like T-72B3 and PT91 it's shit that requires active IR illuminator to see something like 800m distance while thermal imager equipped tanks can spot the T-72 to 3km+ in the night.

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>>32312025
sorry forgot vid

>>32312150
looks rekt to me

>>32312111

If there's a cookoff, it's probably the rear turret bustle going up

The hull ammo hit would send the turret flying

>>32311386
+1 virgin deposited into your martyr account

>>32312150
how can you tell thats a leopard and not any of the shit tonne of m-60's sabra or not that they have?

Help /k/. I'm singaporean and we only have Leopard 2SGs, I'm not sure what my government modified them with. Can we effectively fight against the rice kebabs near us ?

>>32312182
Its up to k/ to investigate

>>32312183
literally the only threat to you is jihadists in Indonesia, and tanks arent going to help you there

>>32312183
They'll just lob artillery over to you, you're fucked either way.

>>32312150

Source of vid?

Leopard 2's aren't invincible. It's possible they got rekt, but damn these are some shit footage. Daesh ain't no Southern Front when it comes to ATGM videos.

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>>32312183

I'm afraid you were taken in a large Europussy "weapons" scam. They have no durability, as recent evens show. Only good for "peace keeping" duties and parades and road stops.

If you need a weapon with real world battlefield durability, you will have to purchase SLAV.

Pic related, 5 years in an urban war zone with basically no maintenance and Arab-tier use.

>>32312236
It seem that the video is exclusive
If you can read Vietnamease:
http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/the-gioi/quan-su/xe-tang-duc-cua-quan-doi-tho-nhi-ky-bi-ban-chay-tai-syria-3512524.html

>>32312150

Cloverfield monster confirmed.

Seriously though, what is that? Could be a leopard of a pickup truck burning.

>>32312192
After my lengthy investigation the vehicle is clear.

Its a T-14 armata.

>>32312248

Yep, all countries outside of the West should buy T-72s.

Lots of them.

Do it.

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>give TOW-2 to durkas
>get BTFO'd by your own weapons

pottery

>>32312282

To be fair, the ones shown in the pictures out TOWs

TOWs don't emit black smoke, and the flare is a lot bigger.

They're AT5s, 13s or 15s.

>>32311563
I think I saw video of this that showed jihadis throwing grenades in the open drivers hatch.

>>32311240
>Ancient 2a4
>Crewed by sandmonkeys
>Hit with modern atgms
Do you think that's somehow surprising?

>>32312282
>make up stories since you dont have anything else
like sad poetry

>>32311846

All T-72s would have suffered the same fate as the Ms.

Other than the newest B and B3, where they would have actually had a chance to shoot back due to thermals.

I wouldn't want to be shooting BM-42 at M1A1HAs, though.

>>32312277
>Its a T-14 armata.

Can't be.

ALL of Putin's T-14s were destroyed at the battle of Debaltseve in 2014. But the guy's cellphone battery ran out so he couldn't record it.

Why don't everyone just buy AK, Su-27/Mig-29 and T-72 again?

It's the crew skill that matter, not their equiment.

>>32312345
But not the prototype! It lived...till today.

Finally, with this slaying.....the coldwar is over.

>>32312333
>All T-72s would have suffered the same fate as the Ms.

The B models had much better night fighting equipment, the armor was far superior to a poorly assembled M1 model, the guns and stabilization equipment were superior, newer ammunition would easily defeat the M1A1 armor if they managed to score a few hits.

But sadly, the biggest difference is crew quality, so you are still probably correct - the Iraqis would get BTFO no matter what they had.

>>32312345

Nah, no T-14s made it to the front because all their barrels blew and they broke down

>>32312349

If that's true, the fucking SLAVNIKS got BTFO today.

>>32312364
M1A1 guns and optics outrange the T-72B model, and the desert had plenty of range.

That was the real deciding factor, and why brads were able to kill more than the Abrams, lots and lots of range.

>>32312364

Wouldn't have mattered

M829A1 can pierce the B

BM42 can't pierce the ODS M1A1HA simply because we know the better M829A1 can't penetrate the front hull and turret

Russia needs better SABOT for the T-72/90; the T-14 might be better simple because it's throwing the same rounds faster.

>>32311240
>destroyed

>>32312355
What are you so upset about?
The exact same """argument""" can be used whenever ANY tank gets destroyed in the middle east (ancient models, bad crews, modern atgms).

>>32312412
NO! That only counts for russian models! Everything else is garbage! Everyone telling otherwise is a fatnik!

>no picture made public of the "destroyed" Leopard 2 tank by the ISIS

Says it all.

Worse case would be that the ammo in the turret exploded and the tank was capable of driving away.

>>32312423
retarded manchild

>>32312128
T-90A has gunner thermal sight iirc.

>>32312396
>M829A1 can pierce the B

That's where you are wrong...

They did extensive testing, and hastily developed the A2 and A3 because the A1 was inadequate. The B has surprisingly good armor.

>>32312446

I meant A2/A3, yes. The A1 had problems with the newer heavy ERA.

A2 probably can't, as it's just a faster A1 for all intents.

>>32312446
That was not due to the 72B, it was done due to kontakt-5 in the 80u

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I don't understand why so many anons in this thread can say that this is because of poor crew training.
How can getting hit with an ATGM be the crew's fault? Looks like the tank was engaged in combat, IS flanked and got set up into position with their modern ATGM. A fair kill.

It seems like this is a war with an adapting adversary.

>>32312355
Fascists? I think you mean cucks

>>32312560
If they not only hit you, but ever filmed how they hit you, something doesn't right.

>>32312248

Yeah, because that T-72AV was hit by a TOW/Kornet/Metis, right?

Get the fuck out of here, you retard.

An RPG-29 will send an AV to hell and back from any angle.

Not so much a M1/Leo 2

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>>32312609
>If they not only hit you, but ever filmed how they hit you, something doesn't right.

mfw this thread is now a goalpost moving, no true tank crew thread.

>>32311240
ITT two mbts get flanked in urban combat and /k/ explodes in asshurt accusations and fury.

>>32312659
>implying it is /k/ causing all the ruckus about this
That is where you are wrong.

>>32312687
>implying I implied
I merely stated the result of the situation, anybody with half a brain that's not shitposting can see that the flow of the thread isn't normal shitposting, but the dedicated propaganda of shitposters with an agenda.
If anything, /k/ is the victim today. We welcomed all with a love of weapons anda tragic bout of shitposting occured. These things happen, but /k/ shall endure my friend.

>>32311453
none are confirmed destroyed. probably none are.

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>>32312616

Here's an M1A1M hit by a Kornet and patched up, and back in the fight

>>32312111
You don't get to bring facts

I'm not a tank enthusiast at all

But whenever I come into these sorts of threads I'm always fascinated


Tanks seem to be such a polarizing topic. I have a question though- If the enemy does not have any heavy armor, and if they do not have any hardened defenses, why do you need tanks?

>>32312364

T-72B and T-72B1 both had shit night vision.

>>32312976
To keep them from digging trenches

>>32312976
It is an hard obstacle, that cant be passed without preporations and approching it from an unsafe distance.

Why aren't there pictures of destroyed Leopard 2 tanks?

>>32313026
Maybe they aren't destroyed.
Maybe turkey doesn't want it to go public
Maybe there's more important things to do in war

>>32311482
......how?

>>32313084
Russian experiments, they tried to make the turret not go flip.

>>32313026
They were BTFO so hard nothing remains. Leo's are trash, I've been saying this for years.

>>32313220
Cameraman got shot at by a Leopard and had to leave.

>>32313040
ISIS couldn't care less about what Turkey wants

mein gott mein gott zis is ein nudder Dresden

delete zis aus once tommy

>>32311424
>oh i guess that gigantic black flaming thing in place of where the first leo was supposed to be cannot possibly be a destroyed tank

The pictures are shit. Post pics of the aftermath, then we'll see.

>>32312616

I was referring to the ruggedness of the machines, not just survival. You couldn't operate a Western Parade Poodle tank in those same conditions for so long.

>>32312993

Better than NO night vision on most Iraqi ass-tanks.

>>32313026
>Why aren't there pictures of destroyed Leopard 2 tanks?

Because the positions were not overrun by ISIS?

>>32312314
The comments here are just the usual garbage you get on /k/ by the kids who care more about being a 'badass troll' than weapons.

Obviously a tank that was last manufactured in 1993 and hasn't been upgraded since will have severe flaws in combat.

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>>32311240
>IS destroyed 2 Turkey leopard 2A4
As a former Leopard 2a4 loader gunner of the Bundeswehr I am genuinely angry.
Why are those cunts driving around in an urban area without infantry backup?

Also kill those IS cunts with napalm

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>>32311273
>roaches can't fight for shit
>the only country down there that manages to exist without foreing help
>cant fight
are slavboos still mad about the plane?

>>32314022

>urban area

It wasn't really

They got plinked by long range ATGM fire

Nothing you can do about that other than APS

>>32313220

Leopard 2s are arguably up there with the M1; the hull ammo stowage is what makes it not equal.

The tanks are pretty much the same for all intents other than that.

There's really no actual better tanks in service that are better than the M1/Leo 2 other than the Merk 4 with APS

>>32311418
>monkey model Leopard 2
there are no monkey models of the Leopard 2
germans are the real deal. if the money is right they will sell their stuff to you

>>32314061
No.

And this is why they are trying the Kant now, because France doesn't have that stupid export law.

>>32311900
>the majority of the people
>40,9% in last elections
why dont you die in a fire erdogan cuck?

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>>32314041

dunno, are the roaches still mad about their chopper(s)?

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>>32314110
nah mate. its water under the brindge.

>>32311484

>Leopard 2 has similar ammo stowage to the M1 in the turret. That's about as good as you can get.

It stores about 1/3 of it's ammunition in the turret bustle, with blowout panels like the Abrams, but the other 2/3 is stored in the front hull left of the driver.

Granted that's strong armor it's behind.

>>32314042
Or, you know, don't have your tank sit out in the open where an ATGM crew has a clear line of sight on it.

>>32314148

Eh, it's almost impossible to stay concealed the whole time. You'll always have to expose your turret for defensive fires; you'll always have to move from position to position.

Tanks are better for offense than static defense.

>>32314181
Yeah, tanks have always either been the tip of the spear in an offensive push or held behind the lines in reserve. Unless you have a LOT of concealment, tanks are just too big and juicy of targets to be sitting on the frontline for extended periods of time.

>>32314148
Tanks are good. Just for now there is no good war for them.

In ideal conditions ISIS positions should be overwhelmed by tanks and merchandised infantry even before the ISIS got time to set up their defense.

Using you tanks in static positions is robbing the tanks from their main advantage over ordinary pillboxes.

>>32311418
Top kek

>>32311240
I feel so bad for the Leopards the roaches use, they could have a nice home here in Germany.

>>32314346
Too bad Germany doesn't want them. How do you think they ended up in Turkey in the first place?

ISIS grabbed small Russian camp.

WTF?!

https://jkikki.de/2016/12/13/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D8%A7-%D9%85/

So the side of the turret got penetrated.

I'm shocked!

leopards are known to have shit armor. theyre designed to be fast and have a good gun.

>>32314470
Wrong Leopard you nigger.

>>32312314
more like:
>Ancient Leo 2a4
>Crewed by sandmonkeys
>Hit with ancient Fagot atgm

Besides that ISIS ATGM crews know their shit.

>>32311486
Arabs would honestly somehow find a way to lose an F-22 to a stinger tbqh.

>>32312025
I didn't save the aftermath picture but this one got BTFO by a well-placed missile. In the Middle East Wars General thread

>>32314041
>retardation: the post
>bait: the post

Choose only one.

>>32311486
Innumerable Abrams tanks have been destroyed over the course of several years of operation against jihadists.

It's questionable if the Saudi Abrams has DU; we know the Iraqi M1A1M doesn't. But it's irrelevant, since the DU is only applied to the front, not the sides or rear, which is where videos show them being shot at and brewing up.

>>32314821
Yeah I can't emphasize how ELITE some ISIS forces are. At least compared to their Arab competition.

>>32311906
Rockets explode, who knew?

>>32314821

Probably AT-5 or 15 going by the images of the missile

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>>32311240
if you check the live ua maps event thread, a turkbro explains how the first photo is shopped and one leopard was shot at twice. leopard crew survived, round hit the hydraulics or something near the ammo rack. close call
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/13-december-isil-hit-leopard-2a4-tank-with-atgm-near-al-bab

>>32311240
>IS destroyed 2 Turkey leopard 2A4
>Leopard 2 is confirmed as the worst modern MBT
>first Leopard
>Merkafags
hey, wake me up when they manage to take out a 2A5 or superior
or you know, send some of your merkava meme tanks to fight in real fights against ISIS if it is sooooo damn good.

>>32314981
>turkbro
>turk
>bro
What the fuck anon?

>>32311550

> 20 foot flame coming out of crew hatch

guis guis their fine! murcia.

>>32314964

>15

I should say 14

It's not 13, as that has sparks flying off everywhere

It's not TOW-2A, as the flare is a lot bigger and there's little smoke

I haven't seen AT-4 in use by IS

>>32315009

It's not out of the crew hatches, you moron

It's from the blow off panels in the bustle

You can repair the tank if it's recovered before the fire spreads

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>>32315009
>>32311525

I can never tell if you guys are memeing or not

The tank is moving, thats what blow out panels look like

Abrams certainly have been killed in Syria, I'm not debating that, but that webm is a really fine example of blow out panels working perfectly.

>>32315041
>Abrams certainly have been killed in Syria
>Abrams...Syria
You ment Iraq, didnt you?
>I can never tell if you guys are memeing or no

>>32315015
Kornet (AT-14) don't use flares, only older missiles do. I would put my money on Konkurs like he >>32314964 said.

>>32315075

somewhere in the sandy butthole known as the mid east

>>32314944
It's like natural selection but with more explosions. Anyone who doesn't know EXACTLY what they're doing is either dead or just signed up.

>>32311453
>OP shitposts about how A tank is shit

>replies with "but muh lussia is worse waah!"

Are you sure you are on the right side of the barricades comrade?

>>32311240
>2A4
Dropped, those aren't equipped with urban survival kits.

>>32315202
If we could use the blast from your butthurt, we could travel between stars.

>>32312150
Cameraman either needs to get a tripod or exit the goat.

>>32311437
>2A4
We are currently at 2A7 with plans for 2A8. Do you think any western country would give out their state of the art technology to a secound or third world country?

>>32311560
>even though the bustle was supposed to protect them.

to do that they need to be, you know, closed.

>>32312656

think anon

how was an ATGM team behind the fucking tank? how did they get there? why was the tank either that far forward among enemy emplacements or facing the wrong direction?

where's the infantry to clean out these cunts?

Well some roach twitter says this:

>ISIL hit Leopard 2A4 tank with ATGM near Al Bab, 4 crew members injured

Sounds like a job well done OP. At least better than slavshit.

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>>32312560

Shows extremely poor situational awareness on behalf of the Turks and failure of the basic art of maneuver warfare.

In reality, only the most advanced nations like the USA, USSR and a few others have been able to implement something with so complex with so many moving parts as maneuver warfare.

>>32315315

The difference between the 2A4 and most modern variants is marginal.

Also the 2A4 is by far the most common and numerous version.

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>>32315884
>difference between the 2A4 and most modern variants is marginal.

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Pip pip chaps. What's going on in this thread?

>>32311240
What are the odds the Turks didn't do any maintenance on those tanks?

>>32315836

They're about 4-5 kilometers away.

People underestimate the range of ATGMs.

The crew wouldn't have even seen the shooters, and the crew of the tank will be able to see better than any infantry.

>>32315268

It's not urban combat, though.

It's open combat on the desert with littered buildings here and there

Which is why ATGMs rule supreme

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>>32315884
>The difference between the 2A4 and most modern variants is marginal.

>>32311240
Reminder: roaches can't into tanks.

>>32315142

Kornet will still show a red tracer with its exhaust plume; not as evident as an AT-5, yeah, but it'll still be there. More black smoke = Kornet, but you couldn't tell the difference for all intents unless seeing the launcher. Video quality can make it hard to tell.

It'd be either an AT-4, AT-5 or AT-14. Not AT-13 as that has the weird spiral bursting rockets. All of them are good for the 2A4 hull and turret sides, though.

>>32316210

Newer ones will be able to take AT-5 on the side hull and turret, yeah.

Might be good for AT-14 on the front turret too if they keep up with the M1A2 sep2/3.

>>32311331
10/10 reasoning

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>>32311240
I read the headlines and came to this thread as fast as I could. Shitposting and Goalmoving asside there is only one true answer to all of Turkeys combustible tank problems. Buy Ikea tanks and lay some delicious 140 mm HE hate on the kaffirs.

>>32311378
talibans don't have totally loaded qataris sending them 80 grand a piece atgms

should've bought Chinese

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>Roaches don't know how to use a tank
>It's clearly the tank's fault
U wat, mate?

>>32316170
Maintenance has nothing to do with surviving a hit from an ATGM.

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>>32311240

This T-90 (more modern than a 2A4) was killed with an outdated AT-5.

>>32316170
I used to work for a company that did contract work for Boeing and lockheed, and I spent some time at a couple TAI facilities.
They used to build fuselage sections for the 767 (don't know if they still do), but they would always be immaculate. I was impressed with their work.
Mexico, on the other hand, was building fuselage components that were absolutely shit.

I got a chance to see their F-16 production line and their F-4 rebuild line. I also spent some time at the base in Izmir. Their defense industry and maintenance standards are matched with ours.

However, I was with a Turkish friend when he dropped his car off at some backwards kurdish auto shop. The things I saw there were pretty scary.

>>32311681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Uf9rsBbhc

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>>32312396
>can't pierce the ODS M1A1HA simply because we know the better M829A1 can't penetrate the front hull and turret


Sauce ?

>>32311386
>lmao
get back to facebook mahmod

>>32316496
That's a big dart.

>>32316496
If they continue with this, the end will be sticking outside at the end one day.

>>32316496

APFSDS penetration formula is actually fairly solid

There's a document around stating the M1A1HA is proof to M829A1 and Hellfire

We also know that M1s were hit in the front with M829A1s without penetration

BM-42 penetrates less than M829A1 (680 to about 700mm)

>>32316729

680mm is actually for BM-42M. BM-42 goes for a bit over 500mm.

>>32314998
whats with the k*rd shilling in this year?

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>>32316142
Nothing right now, mate

Have been recce'ing this thread for a while now. Krauts and everyone else have just realised that the Leopard 2 has finally seen legitimate action for the first time, and it's blown out.

>>32311301
>implying the turret front of the 2A4 isn't thick composite armor like on any other tank in its generation

The A5 ADDED more spaced armor in form of the wedge.

>>32316421
>blurry mess
>oh yes this is totally a T-90 guise
>totally
>like for reals
>it is because the terrorists say so

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>>32311240
I long for the day we see M1A2 Abrams and T-90As in joint operations removing sand dwellers.

>>32312609
Not really though. They tend to have the loader on a missile team lug a camera with him and film it once they fire.

>>32316938
>has finally seen legitimate action for the first time

That was years ago in Afghanistan, try again.

>>32311457
>No tank can take a side turret hit with a modern ATGM

this brings up a good point. where did IS get their modern ATGM?

>*cough*, hillary clinton, *cough* obama

>>32317328
>IEDs
>RPG-7's
>"Action"

Lol, no.

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>>32311246

so did it survive or no?
>inb4 moblity kill

>>32317045
Leave rusfag

>>32317363
IS used to be directly supplied by Qatar and Saudi. No idea if they still are or not. Qatar, Saudi, and USA are supplying other rebel groups though. And those groups have a nasty habit of defecting to JFS or IS, or just surrendering their weapons to them

>>32318371
>IS used to be directly supplied by Qatar and Saudi
Is that why they said they want to fight and conquer Saudi Arabia?

i fucking knew it would happen. thank god turks confirm once again they are as retarded as all other shitskins

>>32312916
>YEAH GUYS THEY AREN'T CONFIRMED AMIRITE?

As if they'd WANT to confirm their destruction so as to give the enemy a victory, and concede that they managed to get the tank blown up in the first place

Try harder next time

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>>32311240
When I read this I read it as a soviet IS tank (Iosef Stalin) destroyed a Leopard and was expecting some butthurt MUH GERMAN ENGINEERING, but this is almost even better.

>>32318058
>everyone who disagrees is russian
иди нaхyй пoжaлyиcтa )))))

>country loses a tank/tanks
>that tank therefore is garbage

pretty sure every tank thats seen combat has taken losses

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>>32318545

>>32316352
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bBUT MUH GERMAN ENGINEERING

Yeah, what they're doing is called "cognitive dissonance"
I dislike Turks as well, but either way, it wasn't their fault that the ATGM penned the side of the tank. People can talk about placement of the vehicle all they want, but in the end, you have to move from cover to cover eventually- and tanks are fucking big.

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>>32315009
>crew hatch
found the retard

these are the people claiming x tank sucks because one got blown up somewhere at some point in time

>>32318621
Its called an Anti-Tank Guided Missile for a reason.

Its a good missile, not a shit tank.

>>32318621
>1990 model tank against a brand new ATGM
It's not the tank that is shit, the missile is just doing it's work. Show me any tank from the 80'/90' that resists a missile hit in the side

>>32315866
>Shows extremely poor situational awareness on behalf of the Turks and failure of the basic art of maneuver warfare.
Could you illuminate how you drew this conclusion from this one incident?

>>32311264
Even without a video, the impact location on the Leopard in the foreground in OP's pic is pretty much a guaranteed penetration with the missiles being used in Syria.

>>32318666
>>32318721
>Implying I ever even REMOTELY said the tank was shit

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>>32318721
>Show me any tank from the 80'/90' that resists a missile hit in the side
I must always remember this when someone talks about russian side armor. kek

>>32317375

IEDs are technically the most devastating ground weapon to tanks

>>32317363

Most Russian stuff was captured from SAA and IA

They have the odd TOW-2A, but not many

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>>32318806
>>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bBUT MUH GERMAN ENGINEERING
It's perfect faggot
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>32316421

Kontakt-5 is on that tank

T-90s were the only ones with that dark paint scheme

It's either a T-90 or T-72B, which are both more modern than the 2A4. So, he's right.

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>>32318999
Beer me.

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>>32311484
> stowage is way bwings us here today

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>>32319195

>>32315315
Saudi Arabia has plenty of brimstone missiles and typhoon jet aircraft. Are you fucking retarded?

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>>32311331

>>32312150

Pro-Tip - All modern MBT's are capable of being destroyed by even moderately good ATGM

THere's no such thing as a invincible tank, who knew.

I really wish the people learning this lesson today, as the "invincible" T-90 and Leopard 2 suffer losses against modern AT systems, were around in the 2006ish days when 4 Merkava's were lost in Lebanon and it was declared the worst tank ever. Or using the handful of Abrams lost in Iraq as an example.

ISIS has taken out T-90's, Abrams, Leopards, T-72s, etc. Really making a collection.

Do you faggots even have a single credible picture of a destroyed T-90 in syria?

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>>32320651
Here's one that the FSA knocked out and put into service as propaganda

>>32319556
protip: thats not true, any modern MBT will have a hard kill APS and explosive reactive armor

>>32316421
>sauce is pro Assad
>This T-90 was killed with an outdated AT-5.
nice try

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>>32320651
yes

SAA lost 3 T-90 in one year
Turk roach lost 3 Leopard in one week

Why cant slavfags ever admit that the T-90 isn't invincible? How deluded are they?

>>32320406
But the Merkava legitimately has a number of generally inefficient features

>>32315852
Lol t90 was never destroyed krautniks btfo

>>32320406
They taken 1 t90 and it was slightly damaged

>>32320669
>>32320742

>external damage = """""""""""destroyed""""""""""""

Show me a burnt out wreck, and/or a SAA/russian admission of its loss

>>32320803
>asking for pictures of a destroyed T-90 = T-90 is invincible

Awaiting your VATNIK_PROOFS.jpg reply.

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>>32320406
>>32312169
>>32316525
Merkava is a legitimately bad MBT though. Its armor is wholly insufficient and only powered by the meme that israel was supposed to know how to do armored combat 50 years ago.

Due to its front engine layout, it cannot physically have similar armor to modern or even old tanks as far back as the late 60s or early 70s.
Oh also ammunition is literally stored everywhere in the tank. the crew is absolutely sorrounded by it, even the area around the escape door in the rear is actually ammo stowage. Its quite laughable.

Its just a fundamentally bad design guys, get over the jew memes

>>32311240
>>32311246
Are you saying the two Leopards are both in that frame? Can see one in first pic. Then explosion in second.

>>32314022
>be a tank
>need soft fleshy human support
Tanks aren't weapons for the modern battlefield

America did a good job giving all those fancy weapons to the freedom fighters.

>>32314396
>implying im going to click that shit

>>32321760
I have no idea what your photo is trying to imply.

APS is the future
https://youtu.be/6WfqLHcUHf8

>>32321974
It's the now

>>32321974
>>32321982
Limited shit

>>32321902
That means you dont know that armor has to be present in a spot for it to stop projectiles.

Basically the israelis put all the protection on the turret and left 60 s tier glacis armor. A modern sabot would literally fly through the tank if it hit the merkavas glacis.

>>32316496
>you now realize that tanks are throwing what its basically arrows at each other at great speeds

War. War never changes

>>32312150
Can't see shit, captain

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Nice blowout TURRET SIDE ARMOR.

>>32321902
Not that guy, but i think he is trying to say that the hull armor is paper thin, bad ammo stowage, the front mounted engine reduces frontall armor thicness.Basecaly the merkava is dead meat if something coughs at it.

>>32318731
>Could you illuminate how you drew this conclusion from this one incident?

Having no idea where your enemy is, for starters.

>>32320742

Those are mission kills at best.

There were no catastrophic write-offs of any T-90s in Syria as far as I know..

>>32321974

But that's ERA, doing it's job, not APS.

What this war has shown is that ERA is better than no ERA. Going forward, we're gonna see a lot more ERA on Western legacy tanks like the Leo and Abrams, since their base level protection is not better than Soviet T-72 derivatives.

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I knew this would happen, 80mm of armor on the side of the turret, if anything goes through you get coated with burning hydraulic fluid, exploding ammo or both.

T-72 tier survivability with the weight and bulk of western MBTs. At least T-72s are sort of small and you have to hit a small spot on the side of the tank.

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What's going on in this thread?

>>32323121
3/10
Here is your (you)

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>>32316729
>We also know that M1s were hit in the front with M829A1s without penetration

La sauce ?