HE WAS A SKATERBOI, AND TRUMP SAID TO HIM LATER-BOI https:/

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>>32299990

>>32299990

He is going to miss his twitter over the next 4 years.

I would be surprised if that account doesnt go dead on Jan. 20th.

juan end ay heff gorillian dollaroos

Trump is going to shitpost the F-35 to death!

Hail Trump!

>>32299990

Neat, time to buy cheap LMT.

>>32300014

Don't count on it.

>>32299990
>not making mexico pay for it as reparations for their cartels

I hope Trump will finally kill this thing. And the LCS too.

>>32300014
?
why would he do that?

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Whooooooooooooooooooooop.

>>32300072

what do you propose replace the jets that are literally falling out of the sky, then?

>>32300084

T-50s, obviously.

>>32300082
Kek

>>32300084
PAK-FA.

>>32300072
Whats his secdefs position on the F35?
Id find it hard to believe that a former marine general would cut the F35b.

>>32300078
Thats hardly something he will decide for himself.
Others will decide what happens to his account.

>/k/ hates the F-35
>Trump makes a comment how it's shit
>/k/ suddenly loves the F-35

really makes me think

I'm really curious to see how long he can keep this up.
Is he going to spew retarded shit every single day for the rest of his presidency?

>>32300088
>>32300092

You cant be fucking serious, jesus christ...

>>32300109
He's been doing it nonstop for the whole rest of his life, so probably.

>>32300109
Yes, and hopefully he does.
>>32300105
/k/ doesn't hate the F35, fool, /k/ actually think it's gonna work, just need more money.

>>32300110

Now you have to guess whether either or both of us were serious.

>>32300120
>just need more money

lockheed pls

>>32300105
The amount of concern trolling this board has seen since the election has been fucking real.
>Hillary's nofly zone proposal for Syria was just fine my dudes, for real

>>32300098
I'm pretty sure that a PRESIDENT is allowed to decide for himself whether he wants to tweet on his personal account retard
He'll also be shit posting from @potus

>>32300153
This is the best timeline.

Alright, who can make a better F35?

>>32300084
Joint development with China, J-31 turned into a F-31.

>>32300161
Fairchild

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I like how they take all the pics of the F-35 from slightly above so you can't tell how fat it is, like a chubby millenial whore on Tinder.

>>32300161
avro arrow 2

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>>32300153

>He actually thinks its the president who personally tweets from @potus.

lol no

>>32300176
It's pretty fat.
But you know what they say.
More cushion for the pushin'.

Alright pack it up boys, it's time to buy the PAK-FA.

>>32300184
bet he will

>>32300168
This.

J-31 with better non smoking non Russian engines (F404) would be the F35 done right.

>>32300184
Pretty sure the guy who manages to consistently shitpost on social media at 3AM like a /b/fag will have absolutely no issue.

>>32300196
>J-31 with better non smoking non Russian engines (F404) would be the F35 done right.
You have no idea what its kinematic capabilities are, to say nothing of 5th Gen characteristics.

>>32300204
>In b4 Trump tweets some monster shitpost and then claims Obama still had the password and did it.

>>32299990

I predict that all F-35 support on /k/ will evaporate by the end of the week.

Posts denying that /k/ ever supported the F-35 at all will begin in the next couple minutes.

>>32300084

F-22s for actual war
Super Hornets for bombing sand people and launching Harpoons at shit

>>32300194

There is no fucking way in hell (((they))) give him access to the POTUS twitter account, that would be overkill.

>>32300084
Maybe you should buy the Chinese

inb4 Trump goes retro-futurist

The future is limitless, there's nothing you cannot meme!

F35 has too much money already sunk into it. Not only that but all of our allies are invested in it as well .. killing it would leave nato with out a standard plane.

>>32300098
It's like you don't understand what CinC is.

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>>32300176

If the f35b is "fat", what do you call the aircraft it will replace?

>>32300227
Literally too big to fail.

Fuck it!

>>32300232
That's bear mode nigger.

>>32300207
It is not as far and a lot more fighterized than the fatty sparrow that is the 35.

Stealth, with the appropriate coatings , is basically the same and the new 2.0 version has even F22 like single piece canopy. EOTS and DAS are also installed in the 2.0.

And it has two engines.

>>32299990
If you're going to be a faggot at least be a faggot whilst getting the lyrics right.

Dear god did we our nation vote in a b tard?

>>32300246
No, a /k/lansman.

>>32300238
never post again

Now we see liberals defending the F35.

Never thought we are gonna see this day.

>>32300238
>Pictures
>Videos
I'm not going to repeat myself.
>Two engines!
Sure thing Trudeau.

>>32300246
It was either that or a fucking sith lord. Give me the /b/ tard any day.

>>32300088
>>32300092
>>32300168
>>32300180
>>32300192
>>32300196
>>32300221

Behold, this is what people on /k/ ACTUALLY believe.

US Congress will cut a program that employs 35.500 people in something like 40 states and award a gigantic contract to the chinese or russians...

>>32300216

Try launching F-22 from carriers

Also what the fuk are all the Wasp-class carriers gonna do with no aircraft

>>32300263
They are gonna be made in Murica, m8.

>>32300248

Unironically kill yourself.

>>32300264

Super Hornets are good enough for all carrier ops missions

>>32300270
I'm sorry?

>>32300256
They turned into McCarthy-tier Russophobes overnight, this is fucking nothing on the long journey that will be the lefty 2016-2020 Salt Express.

>>32300286

I remember last week when /k/ still disliked slavs.

>>32300014
He gets to shitpost as @POTUS though. The final boss of shitposting.

>>32300272

Their airframes are from the 1970's, you gotta think ahead, they will be seriously out matched by most developing counties aircraft in the next 20 years

>>32300298
Super Hornets only first flew in the 90s

>>32300294
That's supposed to be the right's job, silly.

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>>32300088
>>32300092

Axaxaxaxaxaaa

>>32300294
I think it's literally impossible to like slavs, I just think it's also hilarious that the DNC, of all fucking things, is the one itching to shoot down slav-piloted jets and claiming the next POTUS is a Russian plant.

>>32300298

Super Hornets will have superiority when working with the fleet for any realistic future, as their mission won''t change; China doesn't even have a working carrier; neither does Russia. Let that sink in.

No manned planes are going to be within eyeshot of enemy ones in a 1st world conflict, and only drones and missiles will be used for stand off weapons

Just make more of them; new versions. Throw in stealth and ram and upgraded shit, and you're done for another 100 years.

>>32300218
>when Twitter access is bigger issue than nuke access

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>>32300321

Interestingly it seems like national security commentators have given very little thought to how easy it would probably be for Moscow or Beijing to penetrate Trump's account.

>>32300333
Considering what he tweets, chances are they're just laughing and letting him go at it. Don't think they could be doing a better job of making him look like an idiot in a dangerous position.

>>32300238
>has even F22 like single piece canopy
gook shill detected

>>32300333
Beijing is too mad about Trump's tweet about Taiwan.

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I vote for the Rafale-M

>>32300333
>implying he won't just start using the state emergency broadcasting system starting Jan 21st
>wall to wall hourly unblockable rants on your phone from everything about how big Hillary lost to how stupid China is
this is going to be an amazing four years.

>>32300362
>F-35 is a waste of money!
>please buy our overpriced shit instead, its got less capability but fanboys would love you!

>>32300362
80M euros only!
Bonus: it flies!

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>>32300397
B E S T
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S
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T I ME L I N E
I
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this is going to be a fun 8 years
>BWAAAAAAAAP BWAAAAAAAAP
>fuck China
>THIS HAS BEEN A MESSAGE FROM THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST NETWORK

>>32300338
>>32300344

No, you're missing my point. Trump's addiction to Twitter presents a strategic weakness beyond compare.

For instance, imagine if four years from now we're in the end stage of another close presidential campaign, and there's an immense amount of racial tension in the air once again. Putin, cognizant of that vulnerability, could order the GRU to hijack Trump's account on the eve of the election, and publish a tweet to effect of: "MEXICANS AND BLACKS ARE ACTING TO RIG THE ELECTION RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES!" Enough people would immediately respond by taking violent action that the country would probably tip into civil war.

Or, in light of Taiwan: If the California independence movement really gets some traction under it and secures a spot on the 2018 ballot, China might spend the next couple years subtly indicating that it would welcome a new independent California into the broader Asia-Pacific community, encouraging more Californians to vote in favor of secession. Then, right before the election, Beijing hacks Trump's account and puts out a tweet that says he'll fully support Calexit if that's what the state wants. Suddenly, you have a landslide, and China's revenge against America for fucking around with Taiwan is complete.

>>32300397

Nah, he's smart enough to know you don't force content down consumers' throats. You let them come to you.

>>32299990

the program did have cost over runs, there is no doubt about it.

Notice how he didnt say no more F-35's, he is just upset about the over runs.

A second look, a presidential audit if you will, wont hurt anything, make company's justify their prices, and if they cant, find another company that will do it cheaper or better.

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>>32299990

At this point Mike Pence should use the 25th amendment to take control as soon as he's sworn in. We CANNOT have this retarded ogre as president.

>>32300427
>Enough people would immediately respond

This is where you show your base ignorance of america and its population.

Trump could tweet his followers to jump of a bridge, doesn't mean they will.

>>32300430
Get your logic out of here.

>>32300427
Damn, we would probably applaud them for hacking and speaking the truth.

California is best gone.

>>32300427
>implying a calexit would not be the greatest thing to happen to the republican party.

Democrats literally could never win a national election again.

>>32300147
It was fine. Fuck Russia, don't see why we should have to pussy foot around the fucks.

>>32300441
I'm eagerly waiting for January 20th.

>>32300459

This.

MAGA is not being russias bitch, or chinas.

America is the worlds sole superpower, why not act like it?

>>32300184
If anyone will it's goddamn trump

>>32300459
>meanwhile, let's pussyfoot around China lol

>>32300403
>overpriced
It's literally the cheaper modern war plane... (amongst equivalents of course)

>>32300444

>Trump could tweet his followers to jump of a bridge, doesn't mean they will.
No shit. But there's a lot more people willing to start killing people at a signal from the president than to jump off a bridge.

>>32300456
>>32300458

Yes, I know /k/ uses Calexit as a masturbatory aid, but it would be disastrous for the country.

>>32300459
What fucking obligation do we have to protect some brown people and islamic rebels?

>>32300088
>>32300092
>implying Putin won't pay him to buy these

>>32300474
Not really, California is a fucking no man's land.

Its existence literally makes the United States blue-er.

>>32300474
>but it would be disastrous for the country.

It would be bad for the military, especially for the navy, but i said it would be great for the republican party.

Because it would.

>>32299990
Saved, not canceled you concern troll motherfuckers.

>>32300268
They are both a literal fucking downgrade from the F-35.

>>32299990
He wasn't good enough for her

>>32300495
PAK-FA is gonna be cheaper and easier to make, m8.

>>32300492

>Implying Trump won't just screw things up and make it worse

>>32300480

Why would Putin have to pay him when he could just facilitate some favorable real estate deals?

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>>32300478
>Hate Russia = love Muslim
That's not how it work Mr. Ivan

>>32300498

Yeah, inferior planes normally are.

Also, if you move it to the US where you have to pay your workers more than beets or rice, and i guarantee you it wont be cheaper.

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>>32300478
>Look at this bleeding little kid, don't you just want to start killing Ivans and that meanie Assad anon!?

>>32300482
>It's existence makes the United States blue-er
Oh, so its bad for the GOP, not the country.

Why is the F-35 so blown out of control? Are contractors doing it to milk more money?

>>32300518

I dont need a BTFO kid to want to kill russians or commies.

Reminder that russia aided in the creation of the modern left and SJW movement. Thats all i need famalam.

>>32300506
So why, exactly, should we shoot down Russiam jets over Syria? For the sake of it?

>>32300518
I do desu
Poor kid. Life is so fucking unfair.

>>32300520
It's bad for the country because the Blue-er the US, the more gun laws got compromised.

>>32300531

Turks did it for the lulz, why not us?

>>32300523
F-35 is actually cheaper than most (if not all, havent checked the prices yet) modern western 4th gens now.

>>32300518
wtf i love hillary now #draftmydaughter

>>32300344
Beijing was actually unexpectedly calm about it

>>32300542

Their shills sure as fuck are not.

The chicom shilling started IMMEDIATELY after the call

>>32300523
It's classic contract selling

Give an estimate that's much lower than you can actually manage then start charging more when the buyer has sunk too much in pull out

It's too bad nobody ever learns from this and lets these companies keep getting away with it because muh military spending has to be a bigger number than everyone else

inb4 Trump's Twitter is literally just a bit that grabs random posts from /pol/ based on keywords and reposts them

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>>32299990
>First flight: 11 January 2011
>Introduction: 2016

lol

>>32300538
The entire country's fate doesn't rest on gun laws.

>>32300492
Is that what Lockheed stock is saying?

>>32300553
>Introduction

Its not at IOC you crazy chicom.

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Frogs and their shitty Rafales...

>>32299990

Based Trump

Lockshart fags BTFO

>>32300539
>F-35 is actually cheaper than most (if not all, havent checked the prices yet) modern western 4th gens now.
[Citation needed]

>>32300542

That's because Chinese governance is outwardly nonvolatile. They keep their shit in check and focus on the long game.

Put another way: China is a responsible masculine figure, compared to the US (where controversy is constant and every little political statement risks chaos), which is highly emotional an feminine.

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>>32300531
>Need a reason to kill Bolsheviks

Look at this cuck

>>32300564
It is m8.
First 3 are operational

>>32300539
>F-35 is actually cheaper than most (if not all, havent checked the prices yet) modern western 4th gens now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale

>>32300573
That's just the culture. No outward emotions. Shouldn't you know from all the chinese cartoons you watch?

>>32300539
>F-35 is actually cheaper than most (if not all, havent checked the prices yet) modern western 4th gens now.
Nigger you fucked up.

>>32300605
None are cleared to fire weapons; they're only just now allowed to have Chinese fighter pilots learn to fly them.

>>32300622

>That's just the culture.
Yes. Culture informs politics. It's fortunate that you grasp this basic principle.

>>32300568
Its at 112 million usd as of last year, with engine.

Rafael M was at €79M. After exchange and inflation thats at 117 million usd.

Euro fighter is 90m euros in FY 2011, thats 121 million dollers USD BEFORE inflation.

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>>32300605

No?

They are still training on them, ground crews are starting to work on them, etc.

If you want to use that metric, the First F-35 (x-35) flew in late 2000, the First LRIP bird rolled off the line in early 2006.

>>32300616
see
>>32300642

>>32300642
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Currently 1 dollar = 0.94 euro
The eurofighter is at 95M dollars...

>>32299990
I hope he does go into it.

I hope it changes procurement for decades to come.

I don't care who you are, the military wastes millions. It wastes as much as any other agency run by D.C.

>>32300697

Not in FY2011.

>The eurofighter is at 95M dollars...

Euros, in 2009.

>>32300441
edgelord

>>32300498

Because Russian engineers and aircraft mechs work for fraction of what their US peers earn.

>you will never be shitposter in chief

>>32300743
Until Trump tweets that the costs of restarting F-22 production have been out of control, then has it killed.

>>32300743

>Gaytriots fan

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>>32300441
>I'm literally shaking right now

When will Trump fall victim to an unfortunate accident?

>>32300799

When Putin finds it useful.

The F35 was a mistake. It's awful in pretty much every way and has worse performance in nearly every measurable category than the aircraft it's supposed to be replacing.

The entire program should be scrapped, the people responsible for it should be shot, and a new aircraft should be designed without the stupid as fuck VSTOL requirement.

If we absolutely need the Jarheads to have a special snowflake VSTOL aircraft, it should be something designed from the start to be VSTOL, not something that ruins the jet for the other two branches for no real benefit.

>>32299990

Time to reign in the Lockmart Shills.


HAHAHAHAHAAH

>>32300870
HAHAHAHAHAHA

we're fucked because its the only program to replace planes falling out of the sky

HAHAHAHAHAha...

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>>32300092
>>32300088

kek

The Trump presidency is already so damn fun.

Neo-Cons, Kikes, shills, SJWs, Mudslimes, deviates and degenerates constantly BTFO.

It's fucking Beautiful.

>Touching the military industrial complex dough

Whelp this gonna be 4 short years for 1 term president Trump

>>32300859
>It's awful in pretty much every way and has worse performance in nearly every measurable category than the aircraft it's supposed to be replacing.

Well, by all means, get to compareing.

Because you are fucking wrong.

Go ahead, post the F-16 """"""""vs"""""""" F-35 thing. Do it.

So what's going on with the F-35 anyway? When no last checked like a year ago bit was way over budget, the planes were failing constantly, and they were getting their assed handed to them in war games and simulations.

What changed?

And why even develop expensive manned fighters when warfare is moving towards swarms of cheap drones that will overwhelm carrier groups and render them useless anyway? Do we really need f-35's to bomb goat farmers?

>>32300859
>0 losses in 8 dogfights against F-15E Red Air
>https://theaviationist.com/2016/06/27/f-15e-strike-eagles-unable-to-shoot-down-the-f-35s-in-8-dogfights-during-simulated-deployment

>The 33rd FW scored over 110 kills against “enemy aircraft,” supported a surge of 138 sorties and dropped 24 GBU-12 bombs during Northern Lightning.
>https://www.dvidshub.net/news/208740/f-35a-completes-largest-deployment-date

>Not a single F-35 was “shot down” during the joint-force Green Flag exercises testing the jet and its pilots’ prowess operating it in a contested air-support role in the Western U.S. this month, according to U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Cameron Dadgar, head of the exercise and leader of the 549th Combat Training Sqdn. at Nellis AFB, Nevada. This is notable because A-10s and F-16s were defeated in the same conditions, operating in an environment with hostile aircraft and surface-to-air missiles, he said.
>http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-unscathed-hostile-fire-green-flag

>Mo: I was leading a four ship of F-35s on a strike against 4th Gen adversaries, F-16s and F/A-18s. We fought our way in, we mapped the target, found the target, dropped JDAMs on the target and turned around and fought our way out. All the targets got hit, nobody got detected, and all the adversaries died. I thought, yes, this works, very, very, very well. Never detected, nobody had any idea we were out there.
>http://www.sldinfo.com/the-moment-pilots-first-realized-the-f-35-was-something-extraordinary

>>32300891
>like a year a ago

Stop reading there

>>32300891
>What changed?

They fixed the bird, the problems of 2014 are gone.

>>32300889
F-16
>Is capable of conducting flight operations

F-35
>Is grounded because nothing works

This is a tough comparison.

>>32300643
as sweet as it looks, it can't carry shit

>>32300894
Because the Pentagon never fixes the results of wargames to fit their narrative.

>>32300782
>>I'm literally shaking right now
Nah, that crowd is actually more afraid of Pence then Trump.

>>32300925
> to fit their narrative.

Oh the the irony of this post is so sweet it gave me fucking diabetes

>>32300260
hey man the death star was the greatest thing to happen to the galaxy, 3 billion new jobs created and we got to clear out all the shitty planets no-one cared about

>>32300915
Sure will be nice to see your glorious F-16's popped out of the sky by the Russki Gen4+++ crap.

>>32300915
>>Is grounded because nothing works

So you ARE stuck in 2014, because that was the last time the fleet was grounded, after that was certain planes, and currently ZERO are grounded.

>>32300891
>Do we really need f-35's to bomb goat farmers?
No, we need F-35s to replace the F15s, F16s, and F-18s we wore out bombing goat farmers.

If Trump wants to save money on our military, he should reduce our foreign deployments.

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>>32300642
>Rafael M was at €79M. After exchange and inflation thats at 117 million usd.
The most expensive naval variant, the oldest price info so you can fudge the numbers more with "inflation" (in reality the eurozone inflation from 2011 to now has only been ~4% total for that period), messed up the the exchange rate. Pathetic.

Rafale C based on French defence budget numbers from 2014: €57.3M per plane or €57.72M with lel inflation and $61.16M with todays exchange rate of 1.05966USD/EUR.

>>32300105
>/k/ hates the F-35

How to tell someone isn't a regular.

>>32300965

I did currency conversion to 2011 USD, then accounted for inflation.

I used the M because the F-35 is also a naval fighter, is it not?

>Rafale C based on French defence budget numbers from 2014

By all means, post them.

>>32300915
F-16 can't operate in contested environments without suffering losses. Huge ones, if the adversary is Russia or China.
The F-35, which isn't out of the oven yet, is capable of doing exactly that.

I'm guessing Trump will try to reduce costs by saying any country trying to buy it had better be paying for it in full price. or if they're a NATO member- they had better be contributing their 2% GDP as agreed upon.
He's not going to (And does not have the authority) to cancel the entire project.

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>>32300427
The sooner Cali fucks off the better. The only problem I can see with that is losing ports for ships. Otherwise it's just a fucked money hole

>>32300965
And you're still getting an inferior aircraft that doesn't have VLO, sensor fusion, or any 5th gen capabilities. The F-35 is worth the price, and cutting edge doesn't come cheap.

I had no idea that Lockheed Martin actually paid people to go on 4chan and shill for their shitty plane.

>>32301037

The real shills are those memeing against the F-35 to make their shitboxes seem better.

>>32301037
I had no idea Trumpsters thought they bloviate on the F-35 and not get shat on.

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>>32300965
>Rafale C based on French defence budget numbers from 2014: €57.3M per plane or €57.72M with lel inflation and $61.16M with todays exchange rate of 1.05966USD/EUR.

And if we look at FY2013 - http://www.senat.fr/rap/a13-158-8/a13-158-813.html#toc178 (FY2014 Analysis of FY2013)
Flyaway cost of Rafale C - 68.8M Euro x 1.328464 (yearly average 2013 conversion) = 91,398,323.20 USD
Accounting for cumulative inflation rate of 3.8% from 2013-2016 = 94,839,928.69 USD.

So your numbers are horrible wrong and I find it great how you hit on him for choosing the "most expensive naval varient" and yet purposely choose the cheapest variant for your figures.

>>32300902
I haven't been on /K/ hardly at all during the election so forgive me, I'm just saying that last I checked the F-35 program was a complete disaster and this used to he the consensus on here. I asked what changed, I admitted I knew meningitis was old and all you can give me is a fucking meme arrow?

>>32300954
Right but would it not be way cheaper to build new old jets than develop something brand new with all the bells and whistles that will be obsolete in a full scale war scenario anyway?

>>32301064
>swing-wings
Can you imagine what a maintenance nightmare that would be?

>>32301102
I knew my information was old

>>32300925
Sucks that you're right.

>>32300987
>I used the M because the F-35 is also a naval fighter, is it not?
But you are comparing it to numbers of the non naval F-35A... Intrestingly the parts commonality between M and C is about 95% vs 25% for 35A and 35C

>By all means, post them.
http://www.senat.fr/rap/a13-158-8/a13-158-814.html
>de 68,8 M€2013 pour le Rafale C (pour 118 avions)
Take away the 20% VAT and you get the just the plane export price and adjust for inflation and exhange rates. The whole package contract price is however a lot more expensive just like it is the case with every other plane as well, nips for example are paying $300m for their F-35's

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To be honest I'm a little nervous since Trump was almost certainly around during the reformer's bullshit during the 70s and 80s when Pierre Sprey was getting on NBC spouting his shitty ideas, and there's a fair chance he remembers that whole phase. Hopefully Mattis and the DoD can talk some sense into him (and at this point Lockheed will probably accept some concessions if it keeps him happy). I doubt the F-35's leaving any time soon, though, no matter how many of the meme-spewing /pol/tards who seem to be crawling all over this board at the moment seem to think so

>>32301144
>Take away the 20% VAT

No. Cost is cost faggot. What the fuck is this shit.

You fucking faggots!
this doesn't mean that the F-35 will be canceled!
this only means that it will get a lot more cheaper!
>F-35
>chrismas sale
>50% off!
we either get more F-35 or the same amount of F-35 with a lower price tag!

all hail godemperor trump!

>>32301102
since you last checked the F-35 has reached initial operations and a bunch of new data has been coming out pretty much suggesting that it's turning out to be a good plen. The anti-F-35 posters on this board remain few but vocal, which is what you're seeing right now

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>>32300084

Rafales for the USN

>>32300531
Ignore these warmongering 16 yrs kids . They are fucking autists . If russia vs usa starts i hope they get drafted on the frontline


Also /K/ BTFO , f35 IS A SHIT PLANE DEAL WITH IT

>>32301178
Best option desu senpai

>>32301144
see
>>32301065

So its 68.8, or 95m USD after inflation.

The F-35A is only 112 million, in LRIP, not full production.

What does it need to meet the Rafael? 10% price drop in Full production? Thats basically a guarantee, they are projecting far more than that.

>>32300925
>He probably believes the Van Ripper meme

Drones are going to completely take over air missions, $100million dollar fighters won't have a future in the coming decades.

>>32301178

>exposed refueling probe

DROPPED

Seriously though, its avionics are not great, and its not very stealthy.

>>32301206
Sexy > Stealthy

>>32301209
>t. I love getting R-77s rammed up my ass by Yevgeny

>>32301178

This is what Rafalefags believe

>/k/ is defending California

Really makes you think

What if instead of wasting money on the F-35, we make a new version of the AC-130 with a dozen GAU-8s?

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>>32301233

>>32301231
Shit is fucked.

>>32301178
>Rafales
The point was to save money anon.

>>32301231
Look, politically and basically economically california is a fucking wasteland.

Militarily, its EXCEEDINGLY important.

>>32301231
In the other thread a guy is bawwwing over Trump delegitimizing claims of female sexual assault and how illegals are just dandy. The infiltration is real.

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My, my... its almost as if a Useful Idiot were undermining the US' military capability for the next 15 years while a replacement programme were undertaken, to benefit an outside agency.

I wonder who could be behind that, eh?

>>32300005
>Going down
Wow! Time to denial is really optimized these days. How can L-M afford to pay for all these mindless shills? Why, they just send the bill to the tax payers!

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>>32300441
your tears will not delay the inevitable, the people have spoken

>>32301285
We should buy some SU-47 to be honest.

It's too late to cancel this program anyways.

The dumbasses have spent so much on it already.

>>32301285
China beat Russia to the punch when they installed Obama.

>>32301303
Shitty Russian meme planes, yeah ok.

>>32301311
That thrust vectoring, man.

And the reasonable cost.

We need Sukhoi!

>>32301303
5th gen F-14 with canards and wings that can also sweep forward.

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>>32301153
That's how the tax madness works in EU. French budget numbers include VAT, export customers don't pay for that.

>>32301190
So full rate F-35 i.e production goes up by 100% (? 100->200/year) is going to bring cost down by 10%? How much do you think cost of a Rafale is going to come down as they are more than tripling the production rate over the next few years due to the export orders?

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>>32301285

Now Trump just needs to shitpost about the AR and praises the AK and the circle is completed.

You will have vets coming out of the woodwork to shitbash the AR.

>>32301325
Russian aircraft are behind literally everyone else at this point. They're a joke.

>>32301206
t. f-16.net

>>32301329
>So full rate F-35 i.e production goes up by 100% (? 100->200/year) is going to bring cost down by 10%?

More, but all it needs to meet is 10% to meet the price of the frog doritos.

>How much do you think cost of a Rafale is going to come down as they are more than tripling the production rate over the next few years due to the export orders?

The Rafale is inferior though, first off, and being that it is already in full production, most likely not a whole lot beyond reduced component cost.

>>32301337
I dunno man, their attack crafts did nice shit in Syria.

>>32301335
I like Trump but I ain't fucking picking up an AK.

AR is clearly superior in all ways.

AK fans seem to always want to complain about the user when the gun itself is lacking in modernity.

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>>32299990
>first Boeing, now LM

Why does Trump hate planes? Is it because they don't have his name in gold font on them?

>>32301352
They used decades old platforms to bomb targets that couldn't fire back.

>>32301357
>AR is clearly superior in all ways.
>>>/arfcom/

>>32301357
Dude, you don't have to pick up the AK.

Just the military will.

And trust me, vets love the AK.

>>32300120
>just need more money.
Need mo money fo dem systems

>>32301352
>their attack crafts did nice shit in Syria.

>No air defense
>Bunch of sandniggers

Ok..

>>32301309
>It's too late to cancel this program anyways.
>The dumbasses have spent so much on it already.
Trump wrote a book on how to cut the loses and make the best out of the mess at hand.

>>32301367
Wrong, ISIS does have MANPADs.

>>32301371
>Just the military will.

WEW laddy.

I mean, 100% wew.

The costs for training conversion alone...for a gun that is equal...jesus.

Is this what getting triggered feels like?

>>32301378
Old, shitty MANPADs that are easily defeated. Flares and IR jammers are literally all you need, they don't reflect the actual performance of the aircraft.

>>32301382
Most american troops already know how to operate AK though.

There is an AK handbook around.

>>32301390
Negro children can become experts in using AKs in a day.

Who needs a handbook?

>>32301390
>Most american troops already know how to operate AK though.

Not to the level and standards of the M-16/M-4.

Then we get into the accessorys, the PEQ's, the optics...all need to be changed.

You are just memeing, right? You are not this stupid...you cant be.

>>32301377
Then given we've already begun getting F35s he should be fine with the overall purchase.

>>32301402
Dude, AK can accept siderail, or you can adopt an AK with pitcanny (shit already exists).

>>32301400
>Negro children can become experts in using AKs in a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoCKlNsolc

>>32301157
It'd be funny if Trump's solution on cutting cost was to do what Lockheed / the USAF wants and buy more F-35s per year for economy of scale

I like having a rifle platform that I don't have to buy a separate optic mount for.

And has a bolt-release.

And weights less than 8lbs.

And uses standard NATO ammo.

In the year 2017, marines go back to using AK-103.

That would be a sight to behold.

>>32301413

Dovetail mounts suck major dick, very few options to change LOP, M203's/302's will have to be thrown out, zeroed optics with ballistic drop will have to be thrown out, not to meantion even railed AK's have less real estate.

NORMIES, GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32300263
>US Congress will cut a program that employs 35.500 people

That's 11 million $ per job - just give each of them a million dollar, it does more for the workers and saves you 90 % of the costs!

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>>32301441
You were saying?

>>32300297
But he has more followers on his actual twitter than POTUS. I can see him using the POTUS as official statements with more formal language and most likely being managed by an intern or whatever.

>>32301460

Oh, im sorry, let me rephrase, you can nigger rig an m203 to an AK, but its a fucking abortion where you lose all the ergos of an M203 due to the mag. There is a reason the GP's load from the front.

Trump now just needs to tweet about how AR15 is unreliable piece of shit and how badass the AK is!

>>32301482
That's only due to M203 being a POS.

M302 has no problem, and we can just adopt GP25.

>>32301483
HOLY SHIT THE AK FUCKING SUCKS.

ENOUGH OF THIS RELIABILITY MEME.

THERE IS A REASON ALMOST EVERY WESTERN COUNTRY IS SWITCHING TO AN AR VARIANT.

I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS FUCKING THREAD ABOUT TRUMP AND F-35S TO TRIGGER ME SO BAD ABOUT THE FUCKING AK AAAAAAAAAAAA.

RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32301495
Calm your autism nigger.

AK is the better gun.

Actual wartorn countries use AK, not AR.

>>32300105
>>/k/ suddenly loves the F-35
This is how we know you're from /pol/

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Aside from cost overruns, what problems still persist with the F-35? With all the money spent already on the program, why not see it through to the end? On paper the F-35 is the best multirole fighter in the world. It would be silly to end the program now, and also too late.

>>32301549
Literally too big to fail.

>>32300471
Even the Eurofighter is cheaper than the Rafale

>>32301521
That's because THAT'S ALL THEY CAN GET.

>>32301563
Not really, even ISIS can procure AR from China.

But they still stick to AK74M the most.

>>32301494
>That's only due to M203 being a POS.

Wew laddy. Its a shame the GP-25 has such a SHIT fucking round variety.

>>32301521
Actual professionals who can choose what they use, including ones from said wartorn countries, often choose ARs

>>32301571
>Not really, even ISIS can procure AR from China.

>>Chinese ar

I would not choose a Chinese AR either. Does not mean shit about the AR platform.

You can drop the pretenses about being american, vlad.

>>32301574
Not true, spec ops actually use AK in their OPs, because much more plausible deniability.

>>32300859
Neck yourself, Winslow Wheeler

>>32301584
Chinese AR are pretty decent actually, ask the canadians.

I HOPE TRUMP BANS AKS SO HARD THAT ALL THE GUNS START BLOWING UP IN THEIR USERS HANDS BY SHEER FORCE OF SHITPOSTING TWEETS ALONE.

>>32301329
>That's how the tax madness works in EU. French budget numbers include VAT, export customers don't pay for that.

Yes, and American accounting gives program prices that account for things that European one do not, so you can fuck off

>>32301521
>muh AK
Ivan pls
Pls

>>32301602
Oh please, americans love the AK.

They just cannot make them right.

>>32301594
>Chinese AR are pretty decent actually
No.

>ask the canadians.

Why the fuck would one guy who cant access quality AR's have any opinion of another guy who cant access quality ar's?

I DO remember the canuks bitching about the quality of the first round of QBZ-95's.

>>32301608
Vz.58 is AK done right.

>>32301608

Americans like AK's because they are cheap.

That does not mean you are not from an EX-USSR country, vlad. You already showed your hand.

The Armalite is a sad, sad rifle with a sad history.

I know what our troops need! An American Avtomat Kalashnikov!

t. realDonaldTrump

>>32300643
Would be sexier mono engine T bh

>>32301625
AK are now more expensive than AR, but AK still sell pretty well.

>>32300469
No, fuck China too. I happen to agree with him in that front.
Fuck Russia and fuck China.

>>32301640
High end AK's are no where near high end AR's.

Its time to stop posting vlad...

>>32299990
STEALTH F-20 TIGERSHARK TO REPLACE IT WHEN

>>32300478
If it fucks Russia, fine.
Fuck Russia.

>>32301651
Rob Ski disagrees.

Vepr is cheap and its quality is equal to high end AR!

>>32301151
Fuck this makes me diamonds
T H I C C
H
I
C
C

>>32301626

>shit that will never be said.

The titan mattis's lifeforce alone will rip trumps arms off before he could hit the tweet button.

>>32301624
vZ.58 is assault rifles in general done right.

>>32301661
>Vepr is cheap and its quality is equal to high end AR!

LEL. Vepr gets 1 MOA. High end ar's get a quarter of that.

Any time is a good time to stop posting vlad. You make yourself look worse and worse with every one.

>>32299990
>Gripen for Brazilia
>Gripen for Canada
>Gripen for Murica

Who's laughing now

>>32301664
Turns out Mattis loves the AK too.

>>32301679
An AK is never gonna be as accurate as an AR.

Gonna last longer tho.

>>32301681
Russia and China

>>32300176
>Be American
>Even our planes are fat

>>32301681
You mean SU-47 for America dood.

>>32301682
Nope.

>>32301714
The man fought in the Iraq war, every marines come to love the AK after that.

>>32301695
>Gonna last longer tho.

memes.

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Don't EXPEN$IVE PLANES mean JOBS and ECONOMIC STIMULATION?

https://sputniknews.com/world/201606121041196438-us-kalashnikov-assault-rifle/

>>32301600
European numbers usually include the engine

>>32301720

Nope.

AK is a good rifle for conscripts. AR is a good rifle for marines.

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>>32301723
Not so fast!

>>32301733
AK is good for everyone, Russian naval infantries use AK.

>>32301740

>An ak fag found a problem with the AR

STOP THE PRESSES.

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>>32300925

>highly unrealistic scenario contrived to allow F-16 to beat F-35/ Rafele to beat F-22/ poo in loo to beat Typhoon
>HATO BTFO axaxaxaxaxa

>F-35 beats OPFOR in realistic war game
>r-r-rigged

>>32301748

Thats because their roots are in a conscript nation.

They use AK's because the fodder does.

>>32301771
Or because AK is indeed versatile and can be used by everyone.

Even russian spec ops stick to AK74, m8.

>>32301729
European costs don't normally account for the cost of building the infrastructure into the price of the program.

>>32300925
Fuck off. They restart exercises after losing, because it's a gigantic waste of money to just go home after trying things once.

>>32301754
Believe me, a lot more than AK fanboys are finding problems with ARs...

>>32301785
>Or because AK is indeed versatile and can be used by everyone.

Yes, AK can be used by everyone. Even literal retards. AR requires a solider to be a more effective war fighting tool.

>Even russian spec ops stick to AK74, m8.

Again, because their fodder does.

>>32300534
Too bad it was the moderate beheaders (who Russia and Assad fight) who did this.

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This is what you have wrought, you motherfuckers.

Four years of literally the biggest tripfag the world has ever seen.

>>32301798
>Believe me, my fanboyisim will win you over

lel, no, i wont believe you.

Yet ian, as impartial as they come, found a problem with the AK.

>>32301813
Oh my god, how did I not see this before?

#NotMyPresident

>>32301064
I am forever salty the the F-22N never happened

As an Europoor I'm concerned Trump will cripple the F-35 program, it's quite important for the EU airspace security and leasing some may end up being the only way to replace my country's Harriers eventually.

Lockheed's given their official response:

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/lockheed-martin-message-concerning-president-elect-trumps-f-35-comments

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>>32301839

>>32301997
Stop taunting me ;_;

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>>32302009

>>32302072
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32301636
Sexier, yes.

Slower? Yes.

>>32301894
>they mention Israel
Jesus Christ dragon you're going to trigger all these /pol/ retards.

Why don't we just make the F-12 a thing again?

>>32302479
It's because today Israel's receiving / received (they're not being very public / showy about it) their first 2 F-35Is, which are now being permanently based in Israel (they're the first nation to take their jets home permanently).

But for the record, it's not because Israel = special, but because Israel = special; their pilots haven't even flown a real F-35 yet; they opted to only use simulators at Luke AFB for some reason and won't have enough jets or personnel for IOC until late next year.

>Tfw Trump says he wants to cut costs
>Tfw this is the same guy who wants to bring back battleships

>>32302676
That's a different guy.

>implying they are going to just scrap the whole project after all the money that went down the drain
>implying they will just cancel all the foreign order overnight and tell them "lol jk, better buy some gripens guise"

he's just shitposting IRL in order to rile up some of the retards that still believe him, but in the end nothing will change and he will keep wasting millions and sucking corporative cock
this is what you get for voting a meme president with minimal grasp of actual politics or even real world common sense

>>32302676
Maybe more coast efficient to take battleships in combination with anti aircraft ships to shell targets inside the country, than building zumwalts.

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Is this really the same /k/ we BTFO vatniks with dragon, one tireed s-300 thread after another? What is wrong with you guys today? Of course the F-35 isn't gonna get canceled, that's on par with people claiming Trump will repeal gay marriage. If anything he's going to attempt to unfuck the procurement process, but in all likelihood nothing will come of this at all- measures comparable to obama's reaction to newtown, at worst.

Defending California, shitting on the f-35...is this some sort of newfangled memery I wasn't made aware of?

>>32303216
Quiet Yuro, adults are speaking.

>>32303362
>MUH /k/

kys autistic faggot

>>32303396
>le ebin shitpost XDD
You're a bigger blight on /k/ then I'll ever be.

>>32300184
>president doesnt have the authority to make his own potus tweets

He will make it happen.

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>>32300088
I think you mean MiG-38

MODERNIZED F-14 WHEN

>>32305058
Never.