Any suggestions for a black powder revolver for home/self defense?

>>32292487
Save your money for a pistol when you're 21. Home defense isn't a 3 gun competition.

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>>32292487
I keep my 1858 for defense. The colts have reliability issues, they tend to jam up when parts of the cap fall into the action.
It doesn't happen all the time, but it never happens in my Remington.

>>32292487
Couldn't you buy a 1858 or something and get a cartridge conversion cylinder separately?

I've been thinking about doing this myself recently.

>>32292487
Order a steel framed 1858 (or 1860, awkward to reload but works) and get a conversion cylinder for it.
Taylor's & Co. has an 1858 6 shot for $240, and it'll shoot .45 Colt.

1858 Remington in .44 with a steel frame and 4" barrel

>>32292970
I've got a 1860 5 shot cylinder, it's pretty great. You have to be sure to use very light ammo or else the gun will come apart slowly, or quickly if you go for some kind of Buffalo Bore.

Snub nose colt walker.

>>32292487
I guess you technically could. You know you can also buy an antique cartridge gun, right? Antique Iver Johnsons pop up from time to time and they're not expensive.

>>32292915
If you do go with the 1858, get the 5.5" sherrif model.

>>32292990
Youll probably regret dishing out the extra cost and also i heard the conv cyls arnt rated for full power loads.(cite needed)

Colt Walker is to this day the most powerful standard issue sidearm American soldiers ever had.

>>32293030
Yep on their website it's say "this 6-shot cylinder converts 1858 .36 calibers to .38 SP and converts .44 calibers to .45 LC cowboy ammunition only."

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/hand-guns/cartridge-conversions/1858-remington-conversion-cylinders.html

>>32293030
>>32293002
You're half right that the 1858 will wear excessively with a cartridge conversion but it's only because people stupidly use regular .45 colt in their guns.
Sure you CAN fire modern .45 colt through them, but it's not recommended because the guns frame isn't rated for that pressure curve.
Cartridge conversions can take full power black powder loads all day. But they shouldn't be used with any really hot .45 colt using modern powders

>>32293030
They'll handle "full power" (which in .45 Colt isn't that much), the problem is whether Pietta's potmetal can handle it, since the tolerances of black powder are hilariously low.
>>32293054
>Walker
>standard issue for American soldiers
It was ordered for some Texas Rangers and used in the Mexican-American War. Besides, the Remington Rolling Block is much more powerful.

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>>32292487

>>32293329
why would you round off the front of the butt?

>>32292487
Hey you, yeah you. You must be new around here. Better not let anyone see you with that stupid look on your face, or I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK. Everyone knows me because I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK without even blinking. That's right, even my first day at school I told the professor I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK. These days I spend most of my time dodging the cops, but hell they can go ahead and take me down to the station. If they ask any questions, I just tell them I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK. Now get moving punk, or I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK.

>>32293370
Conceal Carry Faggot.

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>>32293431
you round off the back for that

>>32293329
Hey! Cool to see someone saved my project.

>>32292990
>>32292995
>>32293030
>>32293216
I starting like and think 1858 is the way to go. Im seeing companies like Uberti and pietta. What replica company are reliable?

>>32292487

Remington 1858

if you practice a lot you can get decently quick at hotswapping the cylinders and the design is quite sturdy.

>>32294657
I personally have an 1860 Army because I like the way they feel in the hand better than Remingtons, and because the giant front sight of the Remington always scared me when I thought about holster options.

Uberti is slightly better quality but they're both going to work fine. Any unreliability in a single action cap-and-ball revolver is 100% either user error or something completely out of everyone's control (cap fragments entering the mechanism etc.).

I carry an 1860 Pietta in 44 because its the only handgun I have. Usually backpack or open carry. I kept it loaded in my trunk for 3 months during the rainy season to see how well it would shoot with the powder being left alone for a long time. It performed flawlessly.

Either way, Its better than having nothing, and its in .44. In fact I didnt even have any balls for it, so I just cut some buckshot open and hit them with a hammer until they were slightly bigger around than the cylinder. They still shave off the edges like the round balls, but I can seat 3 of these flat disks into the cylinder when usually you can just fit 1 ball with a normal powder charge.

>>32294943
Remingtons are nowhere near as liable to get caplock as Colts. It's a long term, well known problem of the Colt design.

>wanting a black powder revolver
>not wanting a blunderbuss
>not wanting to shoot paper clips and lego figures through an intruder

>>32292487
Black powder guns are mess to load and make a lot of smoke in the process. Are you sure your family will like that more?

>>32298055
Well I already have a shotgun

>>32298076
While they dont support my love for guns, they aren't against defending our home. And I want some kind of pistol to hold me back one more year till I'm 21.

>>32297827
>Either way, Its better than having nothing, and its in .44. In fact I didnt even have any balls for it, so I just cut some buckshot open and hit them with a hammer until they were slightly bigger around than the cylinder. They still shave off the edges like the round balls, but I can seat 3 of these flat disks into the cylinder when usually you can just fit 1 ball with a normal powder charge.
how much have you actually fired it like that? it sounds like a horrible idea for accuracy

>>32292487
Let's be real, you're not going to use a black powder revolver for home defense. Even Remington 1858's aren't as reliable as your shotgun is. And ignition isn't always guaranteed.

So the real reason you should be buying and using a black powder revolver is for fun and historical appreciation. While Remington's revolver is nice, you just can't beat a good 1851 navy. It handles better, has a greater aesthetic and it's cheaper to shoot than .44 rb.

Uberti and pietta are honestly night and day when it comes to quality. Outwardly you won't see much difference aside from piettas awful grip profile - but in reality the truth is in the internals. Uberti is forged whereas pietta is cast. Ubertis have burrs but piettas have a ton more. They're also not as nicely finished.

Yeah colt repros have cap jam issues, just deburr the hammer and polish it up - problem solved. Don't believe me? Refer to duelist54's video on YouTube (he's the black powder editor for guns of the old west magazine).

Uberti revolvers are much closer to the originals and some parts are interchangeable. So why would you compromise quality for a mere $30-$50 in some cases. If you're looking for a cheap new uberti 1851, just buy the one Dixie gun works has for $275. If you're still set on the 1858 it can be had for $285. Best deal online.

Don't buy a brass frame fyi, you'll wear it out. Steel will outlast you.

>Fond childhood memories of shooting a blackpowder pistol with father.
>Something relaxing about the slow methodical reloading process.
>Something satisfying by the audible delay in between the shot firing and it hitting its target.
>That smoke puff.
Nothing quite like it.

I want one bad.

>>32292487
the cabelas 1851 pietta goes on sale for $149 every few months, wait for a xmas sale

>>32292487
Does anyone know about the legality of using BP weapons for HD or SD in Germany?

I haven't really understood all the legalese; I *think* it says muzzle-loaders are free to own but that's it? Not sure here.

>>32293329
dafuq is this monstrosity

>>32298321
I haven't yet but it's the same concept as the judges PD .410 rounds. Except mine are made of lead and it should grab on pretty well.

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>>32299140
2/2. I used bacon grease for a sealer. It's been a about a month and a half.

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Remingtons are nice, but they're like hipoints when it comes to ergos. it's like holding a brick.
Colt designs while they can get gummed up by caps. this is due mostly in part because of the notch in the hammer for the cylinder mounted safety pins. using caps too big for your nipple can do it too. But there are several ways around it, from buying slixshot nipples to filling in the hole with JB weld or something.
They're both fun however, and all of the designs will kill a man dead.

I carry my Navy when i hunt as a periodish correct companion to my flintlock.

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>>32299145
Personally I think the 1860 has a ridiculous design. The full frame of the 1858 looks stronger.

>>32298722
if i remeber correctly you have to get a explosive licence to buy black powder in germany. Or you could go over the border from austria and buy unlimited amounts of black powder without this fuckery

>>32301014
Jesus christ.

My grandparents have a tiny cannon and used to have powder and balls for it. They even fired it for new year's sometimes. But one day an uncle tried to build IEDs for the Algerian rebels and blew himself up (non-fatally, just lost all the clothes and hair on the front of his body) they decided keeping a barrel of blackpowder in the cellar probably wasn't a good idea.

Yeah, well...story unrelated, but that's my family's history with blackpowder.

I have yet to see someone post any pros or cons to the LeMat

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>>32292995
>.44 1858
>4" barrel
I don't think anyone makes them with 4" barrels, 5"5 are the shortest I've seen.

And if you are talking about cutting the barrel yourself, you might as well go with 3".

>>32302678
>Pros
nine shots plus 20 gauge (on the repros)
>cons
as big as a fucking deagle.

>>32294137
I have questions.

1. How did you cut the barrel? Hacksaw or lathe? Did you crown it afterwards?

1. Did you paint those grips black or make them yourself? If so, what kind of wood did you use? I've seen a cool tutorial on how to make 1858 grips out of ebony.

2. Where did you get a black trigger guard from? Blued it yourself?

I always wanted a stainless steel trigger guard, or at least one that looks like it. Any ideas?

>>32302916
>1. 1. 2.
I'm dumb.

>>32302678
>pros
9 shots

Underbarrel shotgun

It's cool I guess?

>cons
Heavy as fuck

Big as fuck

Very weak reloading assembly that is prone to breaking and flying off the gun while shooting

>>32302840
I meant 5"

>>32298269
>already have a shotgun
But it is not a blunderbuss, the king of shooting random shit out of a gun.

>2016
>Not buying a mini cannon for home defense
You should feel like shit.

https://traditionsfirearms.com/product/Napoleon-III-Gold

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>>32299140
>>32299145
>grease over the ball
Stop it, it's a meme. I have to spread the word.

http://www.geojohn.org/BlackPowder/bps3.html

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>>32292487
>>32302840
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=16530

>>32292487
A few tips if you are seriously considering using black powder revolvers for self defense.

First of all, caps are the component that is most likely to fail. You can store BP firearms for years and they will go off as long as the seal is tight and no moisture is allowed into the chamber, but from my experience caps go bad in a matter of days if left on the nipples.

You can prevent that to a degree by using some kind of a lacquer (even a nail polish will do) but they are still far from reliable.

A tight fitting ball/conical is VERY important. A loose fit will hurt the energy of the gun a lot, cutting it by even up to 50% because of all the escaping gas.

And by tight I mean really tight. A .454 ball in a .44 revolver gives much better results than a .451 even though both are technically "oversized".

Keep in mind I'm talking about energy alone, not accuracy. Accuracy is a whole different matter and it largely depends on your gun.

Also, have a look at this:
http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html

Long story short, a 1858 with 8" barrel can be compared to anything from .38 special up to .357 magnum depending on the load. A 5"5 one probably won't achieve .357 levels of power but it can still be as powerful as 9mm or .45 ACP.

.31 pocket remington is puny, the best it can do is half the energy of .22. That said I still wouldn't want to get hit by it and it's really compact.