Ask a technician/ballistician at a small ammo company anything.

Do you like design the profile of bullets?
ballistician sounds like a wicked neat job but im just not sure what it entails


I cant think of anything to get people for christmas besides booze. Help me out

I want to buy bulk 12 GA From Hell rounds.

How much.

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>>32279748
What is the next big meme cartridge called?

>>32279748
What is bulet?

>>32279748
Does material choices affect the performance and durability of the round and case? Brass? Steel? Tin? Lead?

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>>32279798
Well, I lean more towards general technician than ballistician. I study ballistics, but haven't turned my ideas into proof on a CNC mill yet.
I work at a smaller ammo company that loads the bullets we like on the cases we like with the hot charges we like
Can't go wrong with scratch offs. I like the $10 bin at wal mart if I'm stuck and can't think of anything
>>32279815
We don't load any shotgun right now, but you could do it for like $1 a shot if you buy your own press

>>32279748
Can you design and sell AP ammo in rifle-only calibers like 8mm?

>>32279748
What do you think of Bryan Litz?

>>32279748
What cartridges do you work on? Do you design bullets or formulate powders?

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>>32279835
Not OP, but if I had millions of dollars at my disposal I would make a cartridge called .308 Dickkicker. Basically, it's a 30mm cartridge that has been necked to .308. I don't know what rifle can fire it, but I think about .308 Dickkicker every now and then.

>>32279748
How does it work for you guys getting licenses to produce proprietary rounds? Is it reasonable or do company exercise their monopoly strongly. FN's 5.7 and HK's 4.6 come to mind

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>>32279859
Absolutely. The material that the projectile is comprised of is very important. Lead is extremely soft unless you add antimony to make it a hard cast, which still isn't as hard as copper, which still isn't as hard as brass (certain alloys). Solid brass projectiles are wonderfully tough with the right alloy.
Case strength is dependent upon the pressure you wish to make your ammo. Standard pressure 9mm and 45ACP does fine with a soft aluminum case, but you want brass for +P and +P+ loads. I like steel cased ammo believe it or not, but brass is still superior for reloadibility and high pressure applications.

>>32279748

How much was the ITAR license?

Will you license something with that guy on ar15.com who worked out how to make reliably expanding ,300BO subs, but got fed up with the ITAR bs?

What kind of education/training do you need? Is it just a job or is it a career?

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How is your average day at work?

You know, the kind that you do 3 out of 5 days usually.

What you do, what procedures there are, what kind of specialists you talk to etc.

>>32279748
Are you guys using Doppler radar to track velocities yet?

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>>32279863
Most .30 cal rifle cartridges with a case longer than 50mm are going to be AP regardless out to 50 yards with with right projectile.
The ATF frowns upon loading with the intent to be AP, but smart choices like solid brass and copper projectiles for rifle can get the job done out to greater distances because it is one material, not lead cored.
Flat nosed solid bullets do better at penetrating armor than pointed nose lead cored for the record.
>>32279872
Never talked to him, but the folks at applied ballistics have done a tremendous service for education in the industry.
>>32279878
More or less deal with customer questions, but I also test the shit out of everything we make at work and at home. We just load ammo, not make any projectiles, but there is a good deal of stuff that goes into developing a load.
>>32279914
Honestly, the things we have now are pretty well available to anyone, other than our gunpowders. We don't deal much in proprietary shit because every company in the ammo industry seems to hate each other. We established good relations with some projectile manufacturers and we keep it there for now, but we're looking at exploring some proprietary designs of our own finally.
No one gets along in this industry. Ammo companies get blamed for malfunctions in guns when 75% of the time the firearm malfunctioned. I've had companies like STI apologize to me before :)

>>32279996
How much of it is just branding and what makes your powders so special?

Also going to need source for wadcutters doing a better job than points

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>>32279925
We don't export, so we get by with a business license and a proper FFL
>>32279929
I'm taking it as a career because it truly is my passion, but i had no education other than shooting since I was 8 years old and paying attention to each shot. Naturally, I wanted to learn loading too so here I am haha. I don't load much at work though, lots of other things, the engineers take care of loading
>>32279947
My average day consists of at least 5 dumb questions from customers (your .38 super doesn't work in my SW BodyGuard) over the phone or e-mail before I even finish my coffee.
Sometimes I have great phone calls, but usually I'm just answering basic questions like what do you recommend for this or how will that work in my Glock.
Once in a while I get on the horn with other companies and talk business and bullshit, and sometimes I get to make gun companies look like they have no idea what the fuck they are doing when they blame the ammo for a malfunction
>>32279973
Yeah that thing was a godsend. Not affected by light or weather, it makes all the difference on getting consistent readings. Though, if you can't shoot a 10" group at 30 yards with it, your readings will have larger spreads it seems. Not a problem for me, but that's why I test more than the engineers

>>32280096
what do you think about the gap between 223 micro action and w/e-the-fuck-size 308 is? is there a need for a modern 7.62x45 or .280 british?

>>32280046
>>32280046
I didn't say wadcutter, I said a flat point. The Germans in WW1 used to turn their bullets around in the case to get through enemy helmets because the points weren't doing it. I phrased the wrong the first time, we've come a long way in bullet design since WW1. 325gr hard cast flat nose 45 colt loaded in +P with eat level 2a armor like candy for the record.
Check out some of those Nosler safari cartridges that are solid brass flat noses in a magnum large bore case. I've seen those eat 3a plate before where 7.62x54R failed

>>32280096
Wait, why don't you have those barreled actions bolted to a table, wouldn't that be more consistant?

what loading machines do you use?

It makes sense when you think about it. A flat point will simply apply sheering force to what it impacts. A point however will start to penetrate, but then to widen the hole it will need to compress the material.

>>32279748
Have you ever taken a shit at work and not flushed the toilet, knowing you didn't flush and only doing it to be a dick.

>>32279748
what are your preferred carry/home defense rounds for pistol/rifle

Im new to reloading, like this month new, so dont really know anything yet. Just wanted to make hot and cheap 10mm and it go broke at $1.5 each.

I'm interested in making some long range white tail loads. I noticed the BC of most 10mm is pretty garbage (at least compared to a rifle round, not sure vs other pistol) but is that going to really matter at 75yds? What types of bullets have better coefficients?

I'd like to make some AP stuff for fun, would you recommend copper bullets? My friend is a machinist for a Shipyard so has access to legit tools, I'd like him to make me a bunch of projectiles, how would i approach crafting a round? Copy someone else?

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>>32280145
An even more intermediate cartridge? Interesting. Never thought of it.
Of course it does make me think of 6.8 Remington SPC and 6.5 Grendel.
Both started out with a good idea, but both are struggling to establish a foothold in the common market. The military of US and Russia have both conducted experiments on similar cartridges and there wasn't enough of a benefit to take flight and make the armies switch calibers, thus our commercial cartridges are born

>>32279748
What is the ammo/projectile in the picture?

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I shot my G34 yesterday. I used Federal 115 grain 9 mm luger aluminum. I had no failures, but I noticed my accuracy was scary bad. How much does cheap ammo affect accuracy?

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>>32279748

Be honest, you ever jerk it to some weird shit?

>>32279748
What are your thoughts on subsonic .300 blackout?

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>>32280225
God I wish 6.5 grendel had caught on instead of these meme cartidges designed for suppression that drop like a rock past 100 yards.

>>32280162
That was for fun not work lol
>>32280169
Camdex and Dillon 1050s
>>32280195
Exactly!
>>32280199
Not yet lol
>>32280206
I use 9mm for the house and around the farm, and I honestly have .308 and .223 and 8mm and .30-06 and 12ga for the farm and house too. Whatever I grab but the pistol is easiest
>>32280216
Use 180gr and 200gr XTPs for whitetail, seriously, or Nosler 180gr and 200gr JHP
and check out Lehigh Defense for your "specific" task jobs. Be aware loading solid copper, the bullets are longer even if they are the same weight as a load cored. Don't load you r solid coppers quite as hot as a lead cored.

>>32279748
Are those cupro nickel bullets?

>>32280233
8mm 155gr Turkish Nickel Jacket Lead core
>>32280256
Try a 124gr Nosler JHP, you'll love it. 115gr FMJ sucks for accuracy honestly
>>32280260
Sometimes lol, not going to elaborate
>>32280264
I like it for 150 yards maximum with a good set up and a proper bullet. 300BLK is cool, but you have to put money in it to be effective at respectable distances for hunting

How do you like .45 colt? Vs .44 mag?

>>32280288
It's popular enough, Wolf makes steelcase for God's sake.

>>32280294
I'm curious how the boutique cartridge bussiness makes money, it seems like anyone who cares enough would reload themselves what makes one successful or fail?

What is your favorite cartridge to shoot and why?

>>32280350
45 Colt +P is the only way to compare it close to 44Mag, but not all 45 Colts can handle a +P diet.
I like 44 Mag a little better honestly, the guns are more set up for it with the grip angles.
>>32280354
Be honest and produce a truly exceptional cartridge. We load hot, like maximum SAAMI hot, and we're honest about it. So on complicated loads the novices don't want to try to load, or for older reloaders that are going out of practice buy from us, but also the average shooter who doesn't load likes hot ammo too so, everyone wins haha

>>32279748
What education requirements does a job like that require?

What is the ballistic performance of a nerf dart once pushed past mach 1?

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>>32280420
9mm +P+ from a 4.6" Canik TP9SA, easily 100 yards with the right +P+ load. Love 9mm for distance shooting and close range use for critter dispatching on the farm.
I love 8mm Mauser for distamce shooting because at 1000 yards a 196gr bullet will hit at had as a 158gr .357 at point blank range.
I love .308 for 300 yards, and .223 for 150 yards, everything under 150 I use my handguns and 9mm primarily. 12ga 1 1/4oz slugs for hunting whitetail.

Had a lot of fun on this thread today /k/ thanks, see you soon.

>>32280451
What powder do you use and how many times do you get someone using a chrono and complaining .357 from a 2inch snub is getting 200fps less than advertised?

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>>32280096
>.38 super doesn't work in my SW BodyGuard
He clearly wasn't trying hard enough

>>32280096
929 here, what are employers like yours looking for? I am interested in getting a job in firearms technology but I cannot afford a smithing degree. Also what would you recommend I check out to get a job like yours?

>>32279748
can you please produce hardened steel core AP bullets for reloading?

>>32280451
I run +p in my ranch hand, like it better than 44, bigger bullet

>>32279911
Rip barrels.
Get about 2 maybe 3 rounds before your barrel is GG

>>32280151
>The Germans in WW1 used to turn their bullets around in the case to get through enemy helmets because the points weren't doing it.

are you retarded? the Brodie helmet was like 1mm thick steel. it was never designed to stop bullets and it did not stop rifle rounds

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>>32279911

I made my dream cartridge. It's called .40 LOUDENBOOMER.

It's packed so full of Power Pistol that I have to use a hydraulic press to get the boolet in. I use RIP bullets because they look kewl.

I don't have a rifle that can fire it yet (it's going to be a bench rifle with 2" thick chamber walls) but I still load myself up a box of 20 rounds whenever I'm going to fly anywhere. TSA likes to steal my ammo even after I check it properly, gosh I sure hope they never shoot it.

The box art and branding I did myself (not sharing it here so no one can google it and find anything but the little fake website I set up for it) but since my day job is graphic designer and brand management, it looks pro.

I've also had it on my passenger seat and let some of the dindu diversity hire hick georgia cops on my commute confiscate it illegally.

If I want to reload 7.62x25 and have never done any reloading before, how much pain am I in for?

Do you guys make said caliber?

If you don't, then what would it take for you to consider it?

What is your favorite caliber to test projectiles for?

>>32280607
>the little fake website I set up for it
Kek
How many cop's handguns do you think you've damaged so far?

>>32280689

I have one confirmed kaboom so far.

>>32280700
lel
you get an angry email?
screencaps pls

It's time to diversify my ammo company's brand, though. I'm not getting any more RIP rounds, I think most of my BaboonKaboomers are being saved like some fudds save their one box of Gold Dots, but everyone wants to go shoot some tracers. Next round of production will be fake .40 and 5.56 tracers.

"Guaranteed to be twice as bright as other tracers!"

>>32280562
That's all you'll ever need

>>32279748
what's your take on the 6,5x55 glorious Scandinavian ammo?

>>32280713

No but I saw a box on gunbroker and had a minor panic attack, messaged the seller and told him I had the same batch code (yes I go into that much detail) with multiple squibs and he pulled the auction. Whew.

>>32280742
Should have let him sell it and get sued.

>>32279748
Is dat like a scientician of the bang or the hurty bit?

>>32280808

I didn't know if he was a TSA fag or a dindu baboon or just an innocent party who one of them pawned it to.

>>32279748
How do the most up-to-date non-toxic primers perform in comparison to standard primers with lead styphnate in them? I remember that the older ones had some trouble with consistency. I haven't had any trouble with the newest ones when it comes to reliability, but that's just plinking- I haven't done anything remotely scientific to analyze them.

>>32279748

so my .40 2011 chokes on standard length ammo, but i just tried out some long (1.175") ammo and it fed flawlessly. just for confirmation it wouldn't even load the first round of some spare .40 i had lying around.

do you load .40 long (1.175-1.180") for Major power factor?

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>>32279911

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>>32279748
Cupro-Nickle pls

You got any advice for a new reloader? Ive fot the basics down from helping my dad but i dont know shit about load development.

I just got my first gun recently and got some 115g and 147g 9mm for it. I assume my accuracy's going to be garbage anyway, but what's the observable difference between them and which should I stick with for range practice?

>>32280096
where did you get that beer shaped muzzle device?

>>32279748
How much of your stuff do end in Syria and Iraq?

>>32280951
I laughed way too hard at this.

>>32281863
Unless he is Eastern European, not that much.

>>32279996
>>32280046
>>32280151

I agree and the reason has to do with avoiding deflection. A wadcutter is a flat as hell bullet and it just smacks into whatever it hits. It also causes twice the damage of pointed bullets and more than a hollowpoint in fact (the hole coming out the back is huge).

Its got some downsides though and thats instability, and that thick armor (like a half inch plate) is just going to dent while a pointed armor piercing core bullet will punch through.

> the ap round doesnt deform and the narrow surface area it acts on is like stabbing with a thin blade

Thats why a Crossbow Bolt can shoot through a kevlar vest despite being ancient technology driven by less power than a .22 rifle.

Its also Momentum that determines penetration not total Energy (though the equation is complex and involves calculus, when condensed down it pretty much comes out looking like Momentum).

Crossbow Bolt being like 10mm in size with a sharp blade point on it... even if its going rather low speed like 300fps its got all that weight behind it (older crossbow bolts usually weighed twice as much as a shotgun slug).

Why keep making new cartridges when we could just reintroduce old ones that are the same thing?

>>32280951
>>32282214
So did I.

Where can I find MOA/scope adjustment parameters for .300 Win Mag by distance?
Trying to start getting into long range shooting and I'm kinda confused.

>>32282367


People bite the kinetic energy meme, but i have a feeling that momentum plays a much bigger role in than it's given, especially in scenarios where the round could be deflected by objects or barriers.

>>32282424

strelok or jbm ballistics.

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>>32282449
Thank you famalama

>>32282444
KE is much more inmportant than momentum when dealing with armour piercing.
Turning bullets backwards in WW1 meant slightly higher pressure and velocities but more importatntly meant the bullet acted more in a punching manner than piercing. This meant more efficient penetration before the bullet deformed.
The introduction of actual hardened AP cores obsoleted this practice.
Check out the latest IAA journals for articles on AP cores and their effectiveness.

>>32282214
>>32282401
I knew i saved it for a reason

How does a soft point tip getting deformed (flattened) affect accuracy?

I have some old x39 soft points and all the tips are in various states of dinged dented it flattened

>>32279748

Abi naber nasılsın?

>>32280571
You are correct, the flipped bullet was for tanks. The idea beung that you could get the armor to fail by shear and not elastic deformation.
Didn't quite work all that well so the 13.2mm TuF was developed.

>>32284874
>tfw no repro t.gewhr

>>32284048
Not enough to matter much in 7.62x39's effective range
If you measured more than 2 inches of deflection in 300 yards I'd be very surprised

>>32284874
not to mention that the average solider was issued 10 SmK toolsteel core bullets towards the end

>>32282531
>Check out the latest IAA journals for articles on AP cores and their effectiveness.
DOI pls?

What's the best bullet for short range (~100 yards paper punching) accuracy in .308?
Everyone I know is using 168 gr and reporting a ranking similar to SMK>>A-Max>>>>Hornady Match.