Meet the reasons why every non-Muhreen budget is going to get

>>32279723
whatever it takes to get space marines.

>>32279723
I'm not seeing the problem with a competent, effective force that actually gets things done getting the resources and funding it deserves.

bait

Fuck marines, gibs more to airforce or I report u

>>32279781
marines are a waste of money

>>32279723
Muhreens get less money than anyone else. Mad Dog isn't going to show our branch any favoritism. Thread is bullshit.

>>32279888
Trips of truth.
Air Force best force

>>32279771
this. Let the zygote implantation begin already!

>>32279888
>>32280017
Smells like vagina, beta male, and insecurities.

>>32279723
>let's give more money to the branch that will actually exterminate ragheads

I see no problem

Who cares?

>>32279781
Because if marines got the resources they needed, they wouldn't be an effective fighting force.

Does this mean that the Marine core is going to have standards and start firing its shitty infantry?

I am all for that.

>>32279723
>bawwww who will fund my $10 trillion unarmed littoral fishing trawler now?
>bawwwww who will fund sensitivity training powerpoints for fatass army POGs?

neck yourself

I don't fucking care as long as we can start mass kebab removal via saturation carpet bombing, artillery salvos, orbital bombardments, etc.

Trump's idea of what the military does is similar to what you would get if you made a topic on IGN circa 2003 asking posters to come up with suggestions on how to make the greatest military.

>fund der MARINSE

>>32279723
welcome to the future.

shoulda been more competent, sorry other branches

>>32280816
Trump is an ignorant fuck, but hopefully Mattis can talk some sense into him. He seems like a pretty cool guy to be honest.

>>32279723
The Marines are the most wasteful Branch but Mattis is a fucking upgrade from Aston "My qualifications for SECDEF include being gay" Carter. As an Air Force I welcome General Mad Dog Mattis to cut some of the more useless bullshit like green dot training and trannie acceptance.

>>32280209
This is the only logical reason to not want the Marines to get proper funding. Or any infantry unit regardless of the branch to get proper funding. You take away one of the biggest factors that leads to all these 18 to 24 year olds being crusty, pissed off dickheads who will gleefully focus that rage and anguish into a firefight and you take away their combat effectiveness.

>>32280816
>>32280958
Berniemediafags gtfo
>reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>32280981
The best thing to come out of Ash Carter was all those senate hearings where he was verbally torn a new asshole.

>>32281037
This peaks my interests, can I have some links?

>>32281022
How about you go to /b/ or whatever, there are lots of tranny and cuck threads over there for idiots like you.

>>32281051
I'm trying to find the exact clip. But the best one is a hearing about Navy Budgets and for a good 5 minutes Carter is just shaking because the entire hearing panel is tearing him up over not submitting a Navy ship budget on time, and all he can do is try and blame someone else.

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>>32279723
>breaking news
>M16A6 to be 200% heavier than M16A4

>>32280981
By what metric would the USMC be considered the most wasteful branch? If anything they provide the best value in capability to dollar. There is no way to argue that the Marines do not contribute a disproportionately large portion of the military's ground and air forces relative to their budget. Even if you factor in the USN providing funding for some aircraft, doctors, corpsman, and religious personnel you still wind up with a better value over every other branch.

>>32281268
Dude the Marines are a waste. Most of their larger components overlap with Army and Navy elements. If anything they need to be renovated like the Royal Marines. Lets not forget when they piss away money on shit like buying NEW M16A4s instead of M4s or 1911 pistols instead of a 9mm handgun, which they are doing now. .

>>32280981

THIS

FUCK TRANNY SUBHUMANS AND FUCK GREEN DOT TRAINING

>>32281122
the fuck is that ball thing

>>32281306
Even if you look at the overlapping capabilities that the USMC shares with the Army is still going to be more cost efficient. The single largest cost savings provided by the Marines is personnel costs, because the have a higher ratio of lower enlisted and about half the officers per enlisted. Now you need to consider the benefit of having a dedicated branch focused on expeditionary warfare, and how it has become key factor in the US' ability to project power to parts of the world that contain 80% of the global population. The USMC is built from the ground up around the doctrine of expeditionary warfare. In order to accomplish this most efficiently and effectively they are organized into scale able units that are able to perform all military actions that usually require coordination multiple commands. In order to maximize these capabilities the USMC is heavily integrated with the USN. This requires an understanding of Naval operations and doctrine. So you need to factor in the learning curve and costs associated with the Army building these capabilities from scratch. You also need to consider the human factor of getting the Army and Navy to work together. You would be surprised by the amount of animosity and inter-service rivalry harbored by men that have reached the rank of General or Admiral.

>>32281617

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifleman's_Assault_Weapon

Breaching grenade.

>>32281618
don't forget the know how that gets build up in a organisation that has to do similar task frequently. And the ease of spreading said know how in the more contained branch.
Learning how to operate effectively on the other side of the world with no first class port or airstrip for hundreds of miles would be hard on any formation that doesn't learn where it can cut some corners to stay effective.

A separate branch will also allow you to draw on recruits coming with different goals and attributes. The marine core is a bit like the french Foreign legion. You know you will be deployed and have people shoot at you. You want to get stuck in, but you don't make special forces muster.

it's all about specialization.

>>32281617
Floatation device. Marine weapons don't know how to swim.

>>32281660
I figured it would go boom, just not what kind of boom
thanks anon

>>32281617
It folds out and becomes a warclub

>>32279723
Huh, I guess Trump isn't stupid. If he can hold power long enough, he's lining thing up to go full Emperor.
Marines as his Praetorian Guard as his police forces are not into war-fighting. Get control of the monies by downsizing the government (of people who won't sign on to his winning coalition). Setting up systems to grind domestic opposition into paste. Setting up for eternal war (with China) after curb-stomping (stops funding) ISIS.
Pity about the environmental collapse thing and the next iteration of peaceful Islam removing the Saudi family.
#DarkDecade #StartTrainingNow

>>32279771
Trump gene seeds WHEN?

>>32279781
This.

Theres a reason people say "XXXX isn't made like it used to"

Good on the high school drop outs to say no to political correct sjws numales

>Trump is LITERALLY replacing the government with military leaders

This is a coup

>>32284416
What the fuck did you think drain the swamp meant fag?

You think Trump was just gonna nicely ask all the corrupt shits in washington to stop being corrupt traitors?

>>32279723
Honestly I just want more MARSOC videos of them killing sand niggers.

>>32284416
It was for the best. Hillary and her pals wanted to disarm the US population and flood the US with a "first wave" of 300,000 ISIS rapefugees.

The Alternative would have been much worse.

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>>32284416
>LITERALLY A COOOO
>WAKE UP PEOPLE

Only question is if you're a bernie-bot or a Hillary youth.

>>32284522

> You think Trump was just gonna nicely ask all the corrupt shits in washington to stop being corrupt traitors?

Yea, he's just going to replace them with the CEO of Exxon Mobile and Goldman Sachs.

Not ANY of an improvement, since politicians can't openly be greedy fucks, while those two can and have.

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>>32284522
>What the fuck did you think drain the swamp meant fag?
I can tell you what it didn't mean.

>>32284625
If only we voted Hillary. She would have stopped that corruption.

Trump is electing the best men for the jobs and libtards still get mad?

There can be no pleasing them.

>>32284625

>How dare Trump appoint economic experts who have been highly successful in the private sector to run the economy instead of the bought and paid for puppet ""politicians""!

>>32280788
LITTORALLY
SHAKING

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>>32284665
>Trump is electing the best men

There's the problem they have with it.

>>32284770
It really is quite magical that she failed at "don't be worse than trump."

>>32284806
That leftmost chick looks like she'd be a devil in the sack.

>>32284828
>chick

Those are all mentally disabled people that think they are women.

I really shudder at the thought of what Hillary's cabinet would have been. Her SECDEF pick would have likely been some one armed Muslim woman with dyslexia for dem diversity points.

>>32284661
Hillary was not corrupt, the Democrats are the party of transparency

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>>32284861
To be fair, Trudeau did that and it wound up literally being his only solid cabinet pick.

>>32284696

> economic experts who have been highly successful in the private sector to run the economy

The Exxon CEO is being appointed for Secretary of State, not of the Treasury.

TBF I never thought I'd see the day when /k/ shills for Goldman Sachs.

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>>32284961
>Hillary was not corrupt

>>32284987
Idiot Trudeau manages to get 1 pick right.

>>32281617

Its the shoulder thing that goes up.

>>32284990

>appointing a businessman = appointing the business he used to work for

Good thing your opinion is utterly worthless.

>>32284990
>The Exxon CEO is being appointed for Secretary of State, not of the Treasury.

Nice try CTR. the SEC State appointment hasn't been announced yet but is leaning towards Petraeus.

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>>32284416

>>32284416
>Lol Trump has no idea what he's doing Hillary is experienced
>Trump get elected
>Trump appoints people who know what they're doing
>OMG Drumpf is going full dictator

kys

>>32284990
>Look this up
>only thing that confirms this are the typical fake news liberal hit piece sites that claim "insiders" told them.

Nice try CTR.

>>32285196
>green frog

>>>/pol/ you fucking stormweenie.

>>32284416
>obama purges the government's ragged neocon biblefuckers with retarded neoliberal shills
"HOW PROGRESSIVE"
>trump replaces them with competent military leaders and businessmen
"literally hitler"

>>32280981
>green dot training
?

>>32285283
Its another please don't rape others training that the Air Force started up. Now the Air Force has TWO please don't rape programs (the other is SARC) that teach the same thing while wasting work hours and paying "specialists" up to 6k per base visit to explain why rape is bad or how sex with a drunk woman is rape, or sex with a coworker is rape or sex with two consenting people is rape if the woman regrets it later.

>>32284806
So, who are these things?

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>>32284416
>with military leaders
Didn't they kind of found the country?

>>32285359
>So, what are these things?

ftfy

>>32285378
Yeah but they were fucking white men

>>32285427
So are the ones Drumpf is appointing

Where is the DIVERSITY

>>32285427

>implying white men aren't the greatest and most successful group in human history

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>>32285462
This is what a political party should look like.

ITS THE CURRENT YEAR FOR GOODNESS SAKE.

>>32284416
Trump has retired generals run security posts, retired teachers run education posts, business people and jews run business posts, and black guys run urban development posts

It's crazy from the days where Obama just put in some black SJW straight out of college or law school to run shit.

>>32280017
>>32279888
More like Chair Force.

>>32281306
>piss away money on new M16A4s
>Instead of M4s
Now I'm no expert on military capabilities, but the Marines like riflemen alot. Why would they buy a shorter, less capable rifle if every Marine is to be a rifleman?

>>32285722
>muh standardization
>muh newer model

M16A4 is a perfectly fine platform for a rifleman. In fact, wasn't the current service round for 5.56 intended to be fired out of the 20" barrel of the A4?

>>32285722
The M4 has 50 meter reduction for maximum effective range for a point target in exchange for a collapsible stock and lighter weight and ease of stowing it in APCs and other vehicles, while having a smaller risk to flag your barrel when building clearing as well as being much easier to use when wearing full PPE. The M4 is the superior choice.

>>32285768
> In fact, wasn't the current service round for 5.56 intended to be fired out of the 20" barrel of the A4?

No. M855 and M855A1 was designed for a 14.5 inch barrel.

>>32285829
> M855
lying on the internet. Go away NG faggot. I'm already there where you're about to move the goalpost btw.

>>32285985
I really I can't decipher your nigger babble.

If you're talking about M855A1, the US marines don't use it and use a repurposed match grade round instead. M855A1 was designed for the 14.5 barrel of an M4 from the start.

>>32286051
>M855 and M855A1 was designed for a 14.5 inch barrel.
the m885 was not. Like I said, i'm already here at your new goalpost, the M855A1. Now just be a man and and realize when you fucked up and stfu.

>>32281096
Christ, I saw that, no fucking spine. I can see why the minority idiots and procurment jew were able to roll him. What a joke the administration has been.

>>32286112
M855 was designed with the CAR-15 and later the M4 was deigned around it you sperglord. It's even mentioned in the book blackhawk down that XM177s used M855 while M16s and M249s were being fed M193.

>>32285768
m16a4 is a trash musket. need 16 inch barrels with free floated rails.

>>32285768
>In fact, wasn't the current service round for 5.56 intended to be fired out of the 20" barrel of the A4?

>the m885 was not. Like I said, i'm already here at your new goalpost, the M855A1.

M855A1 is the current service round and has been for awhile so you appear to be the retard here.

>>32286174
>>32286156
nice samefag autismo. I said the m855 was not designed for the m4, you did. I actually say nothing about the other round. How pathetic can you get?

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>>32286210
>In fact, wasn't the current service round

The current round isn't M855. Perhaps you need to get your attendant to explain this to you.

>>32286156
>6] The U.S. designated the SS109 cartridge the M855 and first used it in the M16A2 rifle.
like we both know your some pathetic autismo bot desperate to be right when making bs claims on internet and then being called out. Just go do your own research. There are many links and we both know your sweating over this claim.

>>32286225
look retard let me hold your hand, this is the original claim.
>No. M855 and M855A1 was designed for a 14.5 inch barrel.
I say that wrong about the m855, not mentioning the A1.
you go ahead and pretend this is what was being referred to desperate for damage control. Now you're just going full autismo.

>>32286228
Perhaps you should learn how to spell "you're" before claiming others have learning disabilities.

Again,

> In fact, wasn't the current service round for 5.56 intended to be fired out of the 20" barrel of the A4?

The current service round for the US Army or US Marines is not M855.

>>32279888
fuck the air force, it's nothing but a fucking funding blackhole with countless aircraft projects that go no where and shit like the F-35 program.

>>32286251
that wasn't my claim. That was another poster. I was correcting you about the m855 like I said many times already. Desperate for damage control. Remember when I said this?
>i'm already here at your new goalpost, the M855A1
because I knew you were about to go on some long ass bs rant about how you didn't mean the m855 or some shit like bs argument like it and here you are doing just that. The M855 was not designed for the M4, whatever you are talking about I don't care. I was just correcting that misconception.

>>32286253
The US Navy and US Marines also threw money on the F35 burn pit. Lets not forget the Navy's LCS and Zumwalt bullshit.

>>32286268
>that wasn't my claim.

M855A1 isn't the goalpost. It's the current round. Stop crying.You need to grow up if you can't handle being destroyed on an anonymous imageboard.

Get some thicker skin son.

>>32286251
>deigned
>Perhaps you should learn how to spell "designed" before claiming others can't spell and diverting the discussion from ur damage control autismo bot.

>>32286278
>Stop crying.You need to grow up if you can't handle being destroyed on an anonymous imageboard.
lol the irony. I made one simple claim, a correction to your post. You are in fact wrong. I said the m855 was not designed for the m4. You did. fucking pathetic child.

Austim speaks

>>32286282
M855A1 is still the current round.

Try to live with yourself.

>>32286296
I never said it wasn't idiot. WTF are you even talking about. Are you drunk?

>>32286294
If anyone is a child it's you. The irony is your posting is a textbook example of autism in written form. I feel sorry for your parents, whom I'm sure you still live with.

Everyone should realize for a defense force, a strong GROUND force is everything, air force and navy are supplementary/force projection.

We need to spend less on air/sea but more on land.

I propose a final switch over of M4 to internally suppressed HK416 already.

>>32286301
>get proved wrong
>n-no u u -u are stupid one and live with mommy too, lol i win!

>>32286306
>HK 416
>Paying extra for HK shit

Nah just make FN build M4A1s with pistons.

>>32286307
M855A1 is the current round in the US army for 5.56 weapons. I'm sorry you can't handle that information and will stay up late bitter over it tonight.

>>32286320
HK is already used for NATO forces, there's no need to waste more money developing another piston AR design.

What needs to be done is for HK to open a factory here and starts cranking out HK416.

>>32286329 refer to because apparently you can't read.
>>32286297
oh and i'm just going to assume you pretended not to see this as well to save face
>that wasn't my claim. That was another poster.
referring to you thinking I said this
In fact, wasn't the current service round for 5.56 intended to be fired out of the 20" barrel of the A4?

but we both know that and you're just pretending to be stupid so that you get a "get out of jail" free card for making the claim that
>No. M855 was designed for a 14.5 inch barrel.
for which my only response and opinion on the matter was calling you out for the M855 committing the A1 for that exact reason...or else I would have included it as well when mentioning your post....right.

>>32286339
Fuck that. It isn't rocket science. Replace gas tube and A frame with piston and flip down front sight. Add in a surefire suppressor adaptor and full auto. Boom. M4A2. Tell colt and FN to make it. Should cost us half of what HK would want.

>>32286358
Man, you really need to get a life already. M855A1 is the current round in use in the US Army. Even if it wasn't the M855 does fine in the M4 and the M16A4 is outdated and is past it's service life. Just accept that you have inferior opinions and learn from your mistakes.

>>32286371
>M855A1 is the current round in use in the US Army.
I never said it wasn't. I've told you this multiple times already
>Just accept that you have inferior opinions and learn from your mistakes.
haven't made one subjective statement regarding actual discussion

I have only said that the m855 was not designed for the m4. Are you fucking retarded?

>get a life already
this desperate to move the goal posts and will say anything to divert the discussion away from your claim. Stop pretending that i'm
>>32285985

I've told you i'm not multiple times. My first and only claim is>>32285985
Where I mention the m855 ball not the A! and predict your full blown diversion from the fact that the round designed before the m4 wasn't designed for the m4.

>>32286419
this is the guy you think I am, i'm going to assume because you keep quoting him as me
>>32285768

>>32286362
Colt and FN aren't really cheaper than HK, ya know?
>Add in a surefire suppressor adaptor
Is that good?

>>32286306
>Everyone should realize for a defense force, a strong GROUND force is everything, air force and navy are supplementary/force projection.
You're retarded and need to learn what geography is and how if affects military strategy.

>>32286454
Please explain the point of a strong airforce/navy in the defense of the USA against a foreign invasion.

>>32285242

>muh /pol/ boogeyman

you people are seriously fucking pathetic, below SJW's even

getting triggered over a picture of a cartoon frog, sad!

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>>32279771
>After purging the Army.

>>32286497
>>32286497
Get a map.

Look at the big fucking oceans an attacking force has to cross.

Look at the big fucking mountain ranges containing movement of ground assets, but not air.

>>32279888
>chair force

>>32279888
Wow. My 3 year old daughter is more capable than you "wahhh I hate Marines" posters.

Stay a bitch. I'll stay laughing.

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>>32287223
>Tfw I got 1 556 get once
>The I just got a 223 get

I need at least 1 fag to check me. I like caliber gets.

>>32285342
It's a shame guys still rape after all that

>>32284293
this

>>32287268
>I like caliber gets.
Me too.
>.268 USA

>>32280051
Jesus.
And you didn't sign up for that, WHY?

>>32287293
Wew. I almost thought nobody would check. Thank you anon. If you land yours I'll reciprocate.

>>32286596
>Implying the Army doesn't become the Imperial Guard.

>>32279723
I sense some intense butthurt from this OP.

What do you all think, washout?

>>32280958
yeah he's such an idiot, and yet he just won the presidency despite next to zero support from the party he run under, spending half of what his opposition spent, while turning solidly blue states red for the first time in decades - oh and he's worth $10billion, and has a huge family of well adjusted successful people

stay mad, bern victim/lolberg autist

>>32287282
they're called niggers

and telling a nigger not to rape is like telling a dog not to bark

>>32280051
It's about da kill count, earth-bound.

>>32287468
How many men have you killed?

Tell me yours, I'll tell you mine. No video games.

>>32287416
Why do you sperg out like that over criticism of Trump ?

>>32287630
Because it's a dumb criticism.

Here in America, we care about results, not fucking how.

You just call a man who is now a billionaire-president an idiot.

>>32287416
lol, he won because flyover country is full of dummies

>>32287642
Generally I don't elaborate on here because no one bothers to read.

Trump doesn't work through rational arguments and thought. He isn't capable of fully rational and constructed speech. He also has a lower mental age and acts both childish and aggressively to criticism or conflicting opinions. This is pretty much the textbook definition of an idiot.

Also, elections don't require a president to be particularly smart, he needs to show the image the people want to see, while saying the things they want to hear. Trump is loud, makes outrageous claims, tells people he'll make their country great again and so on. That's exactly what was needed to be voted in.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate him at all. I think he's been surprising me positively a few times since he's been elected. I'm just hoping he delegates enough on matters he doesn't even grasp, or at least listens to others, while he takes care himself of the issues he understands. For example, I'm hoping he doesn't base his politics with Russia on his Info Wars level of knowledge of the country, or fucks up alliances and partnerships in the world because of his 12 year old understanding of geopolitics. On the other hand, I'm hoping he removes all this retarded SJW shit in US schools (and everywhere else), starts having reasonable policies towards immigrants and so on. Fucking with China also is a good idea, but hopefully he listens to competent people on the matter.

This is why I said Mattis is a cool guy. He's an intellectual, he promotes brains even in the lowest soldier grunts, he understand geopolitics and isn't going to let anyone weaken the US and its alliance game.

Okay now you can give a reasonable answer without sperging out.

>>32287690
Here's my reasonable question to you:
>Trump doesn't work through rational arguments and thought. He isn't capable of fully rational and constructed speech. He also has a lower mental age and acts both childish and aggressively to criticism or conflicting opinions. This is pretty much the textbook definition of an idiot.
How do you know all this?

>>32287755
Well everything he says gives a good idea on his speech capabilities, his arguments give an idea on his argumentative capabilities and logical train of thought, the reaction to criticism gives us an idea of his behaviour to it and so on. Unless you're claiming that everything he said is either a CNN propaganda scheme, or he's somehow playing dumb.

Of course, expression shouldn't be taken too seriously, in the sense that some people are just bad at expressing themselves. But generally his whole behaviour provides quite a few hints. He doesn't seem very smart for a president, which is actually the main issue I've had with him from the start.

>>32281618
>personnel costs
Theyre all on a government pay scale, its equipment where the real cost (and benefit) come in.

>>32287801
You don't know him, you just listen to his speeches and think he's dumb.

Which is dumb itself, because his result is what matters, and he's the president-billionaire, a dumb person cannot be that.

>>32286253
>>32286269
there are actual retards here who are still anti-f-35. holy shit go join the green party nd preach about how nuclear reactors are just bombs waiting to go off lol dum dum.

>>32284696
Who do you think was buying and paying gor the politicians you greasy fuck?

>>32287810
Yes, I already explained I don't know him. Are you claiming he just plays dumb ? That everything he did was a whole persona, even though it correlates exactly with his attitude before he tried to become president ?

That's a retarded argument. Explain to me why you need to either be smart to be a billionaire if you started with a fortune, and why you need to be smart to be the president.

>>32287801
You are aware that is an act, right? The minute he's having a one to one interview he has a completly different face. You don't like his tone, which can be a valid argument and criticism but you are dead set on him being some moron who tripped into bussiness success.

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>>32279771
Where does one sign up to become become a sword brother?

>>32287825
Wall Street? The CEO?

But now Trump got actual CEO and former Goldman Sach into it, there's gonna be a huge conflict of interest, which will benefit the government.

>>32287416
yeah it was that and not his opponent being one of the slimiest cunts to run for office in recent memory. and it definitely wasn't his racist bigoted comments and irl shitposting that resonated with idiots.

>>32287828
Or what he does isn't dumb at all, and it's exactly what get him into power.

>Explain to me why you need to either be smart to be a billionaire if you started with a fortune,
Because he still has to take risk.
>and why you need to be smart to be the president.
Because you have to generate appeal in order to get votes, you cannot do this without being smart.

>>32287841
>and it definitely wasn't his racist bigoted comments and irl shitposting that resonated with idiots.
Daily reminder that this is modern /k/ right now.

>>32287844
Except him being dumb is what got him into power.

>Becuase he still has to take risk.
Any idiot can take risk

>generate appeal in order to get votes, you cannot do this without being smart
That would be the case if you had to generate appeal towards smart people. He got votes from idiots. That doesn't require brains, that requires to be naturally appealing to idiots.

>>32287856
>Except him being dumb is what got him into power.
So he's smart for being dumb then?
>Any idiot can take risk
Yes, and idiot loses, while Trump wins.
>That would be the case if you had to generate appeal towards smart people. He got votes from idiots. That doesn't require brains, that requires to be naturally appealing to idiots.
OK, brah, so you are saying all people who vote for him are idiots?

>>32287848
>Modern day/k/are
Ftfy

I wish I had the vim and vigor to take b8 on a Sunday morning

>>32287863
You are really optimist about this.

But I'm looking forward for this kind of cuck resistance for the next 8 years.

>>32287861
You're really starting to confirm the idiot supporters I mentioned, considering you keep making connections where there are none.

There's nothing smart about getting into a high position, if the test for that position isn't an intelligence test. How hard is it to grasp such simple concepts ?

People who were convinced by his claims, persona and promises certainly are either idiots, or really ignorant. People who voted for him out of compromise weren't individually stupid, but acted stupid as a group.

>>32281617
nerve gas

>>32287883
Yes, there is nothing smart about being a billionaire and now a billionaire-president.

Fucking listen to yourself.

>>32287900
>what I assume in life without even thinking about it literally cannot be wrong

If it was that obvious, how come you can't make a compelling rational argument ?

>>32287922
I'm already making a rational argument.

You are calling Trump idiot and Trump voters idiots, while I tell you that he is the new billionaire-president of the US, sure is good being an idiot huh?

>>32287801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx651fvHMPo
Yeah, just listen to him being an idiot here

>>32287929
m8 you need to understand anti-trump faggots are about as knowledgeable on natdef as Carterites. Their know nothing uneducated faggots. don't take them to seriously. If it was up to them we would be doing nothing but Pierre Sprey delusions for natdef.

>>32287957
Just humoring the guy.

To be frank, if an idiot gets be the president, then "smart people" don't deserve to be called smart.

>>32287929
>doesn't even know what rational means

Come on now.

army here and I'm glad Mattis is replacing carter. At the worst there's no way he can't be better than that cumsucker.

There's two routes I see this going for the army.
1. Funding cut to useless bullshit programs and all the fat permanent profile fucks who haven't passed a pt test in years gtfo
2. The weakling crowd keeps their bullshit programs and we actually cut funding to training budgets because of political pressure from people who have never held a gun let alone seen combat.

>>32287949
If that sounds smart to you, I have really bad news for you...

>>32287979
Rational means shit makes sense.

Cause: Trump is smart.
Effect: He is now the billionaire-president.

But no, he's actually an idiot, and everyone who votes for him is an idiot or compromised.

>>32287987
OK smart guy, hope to see you run for higher position in 2020.

>>32287982
I just hope we keep f-35 in full. It's a fantastic aircraft. LCS might be ok to cancel at this point and seek a replacment runoff prpgram. And as much as I love the Zumwalt the autists who slash and whine'd it a decade ago did so much damage to the program it's going to be hard to justify the cost. I mean as a ship Zum is fucking fantastic but muh reduction of orders by more than 10 times ballooned costs.

>>32287416
Spending was closer to 3/4ths. Trump spend 66 million of his own money and like 340 million of donations while Hillary spent about 550 million in donations.

The real kicker is Trump got back millions of the money he spent by renting his own properties.

>inb4 that's smart!
Also a bit corrupt when you're doing it with other people's money.

>>32287874
Oh fuck off with this shit, you're not the 'real' /k/ and you never were.

You think because people bitched about niggers and stuff before Trump came along that we were a bunch of mouthbreathers like you faggots who can't go 2 posts without bitching about "muh SJW's" or hating on anyone who isn't white?

>>32288069
stop sperging my dude

>>32288069
I'm sorry but I'm the real /k/.

Any never Trumpers and serious Hillary voters should seriously rethink their life choices.

>>32288037
It's okay, he wouldn't take salaries for the job.

>>32285494

>no negros

What a fucking racist. Of course, what do you expect from a Frenchman.

>>32288097
Yeah, this shit. The fuckers who put politics before guns, aren't the 'real' /k/.

And you turn every thread into a whine-fest about political correctness, or blacklivesmatter, or whatever the bullshit of the week is, and accuse anyone who doesn't believe 100% of the things you do of being a newfag cuck who doesn't belong here.

So fuck right off.

>>32287949
I bet no one in those rooms ever imagined he'd become President.

>>32288137
Nigger please, I put guns first when I vote for Trump.

Anyone here who seriously voted for Hillary deserves to be purged.

>>32287994
>Rational means shit makes sense
Now if only your argument would.

You're looking at the effect to determine cause, for one thing. Why is Trump the "billionaire-president"? (the way you keep repeating that specific 'title' ad-hom is telling as well) Because he's smart! How do we know he's smart? Because he's a billionaire-president! Which adds circular reasoning and confirmation bias into the mix as well.

If he runs his companies like he's apparently running the government, he's delegating all the important jobs to people who actually know what the fuck they're doing, while he focuses on picking the fucking drapes (something he was literally doing last week, or maybe the week before, for one of his hotels). Being smart enough to delegate to people smarter than you is a kind of smart... but not the kind you're talking about here.

>>32288159
>I put guns first when I vote for Trump.

>I voted for a NYC billionaire who has supported the Democrats for much of his life and who has no qualms whatsoever in backtracking on what he says because this is a man who feels the same way I do on the 2A

Hillary was worse. But if you voted for Trump because you think he's pro gun then you're a moron.

>>32288173
There's actually nothing circular about it.

Trump is smart, therefore he maintains his business and now he gets to become his president.

>
If he runs his companies like he's apparently running the government, he's delegating all the important jobs to people who actually know what the fuck they're doing, while he focuses on picking the fucking drapes (something he was literally doing last week, or maybe the week before, for one of his hotels).
So how do you know how he runs his companies again?

>>32288176
But Trump is pro-gun.

>>32288176
>man endorsed by the nra is anti fun
way to out yourself as a first time voter. go home schoolboy

>>32288176
I feel people still don't understand this, he personally doesn't give a shit about much except the economy. Everything else he will defer to Republican base for votes, there is a reason why the NRA endorsed him so early.

>>32288192
Why? Because he says he is? He's also said that he's a Democrat, and gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars. He's said other things too, which also turned out not to be true.

>>32288196
The NRA were hated on this board for years.

>way to out yourself as a first time voter
If I was a first time voter I'd be the one believing a man to be pro-2A before he's even got into office.

He's a NYC elite who spent years backing the Democrats in that state. Their position on the 2A certainly didn't mean he took his money elsewhere. If you trust that then you would trust anything, so I have some magic beans and a bridge in London to sell you.

>>32288198
Nah, Trump has his fucking spines, which is why he still shills for LGBTQEXD+ and he wants friendly relationship with Russia.

He isn't toeing party lines.

>>32288196
Romney was endorsed by the NRA too despite actual legislative history of gun control.

>>32288186
I don't, and neither do you.

Just like you don't know he's smart, but are undeterred from using 'logic' that would get laughed out of any academic circle in the world to argue that he is.

I'm not even the guy you were arguing with before. I just think your entire method of trying to justify your claim is complete bullshit and entirely laughable from a scientific and scholarly perspective.

>>32288204
>Why? Because he says he is? He's also said that he's a Democrat, and gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars. He's said other things too, which also turned out not to be true.
Yes, because he says he is and there's nothing that says otherwise.

Even he does not support the AWB anymore.

>>32288198
It's because they're simple. Simple people think that people they like (their friends, sports stars, politicians and so on) hold the same beliefs they do.

"I like them and because I like them they like me and the things I like."

Hillary supporters did it too. They genuinely believed she was the progressive candidate, as opposed to a neo-con hawk. Trump supporters believe that he's with them on every issue.

I'll believe Trump is pro-2A when his term(s) are up.

>>32288211
I actually know he's smart because the man has maintained his business and is now successfully politically. His achievements prove his ability and intelligence, which is what matter, and not any bullshit scholar papers.

>entirely laughable from a scientific and scholarly perspective.
Get those scientists and scolars to run then.

>>32288222
Wait for the next 8 years then.

>>32288215
>because he says he is and there's nothing that says otherwise.

That's because he wanted to appeal to the base. It worked. What he actually does is a different matter entirely, because he hasn't done it yet.

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>>32288227
>I'm going to be against him until at which time my feeling allow me to not feel that I don't like him
That seems completely like a completely intellectually vacant feeling to hold my friend. Are you by any chance triggered by my picture?

>>32288236
So wait until he does something anti-gun then, before saying he's anti-gun.

>>32288244
I never said he was anti gun. Point out where I said that.

I said it's ridiculous to trust him on the 2A, as it is ridiculous to trust him on anything else. He hasn't been sworn in yet. There are countless instances of Trump backtracking and changing his position (and his party) entirely, yet you're the one who is firmly of the opinion that he's automatically pro gun. You even said:

>Nigger please, I put guns first when I vote for Trump.

Which is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've read.

I feel we are going to fight never-Trumpers more than Trump in the next 8 years.

But in these times, we need to get back to the fight of getting better gun rights federally and state-wise.

>>32288253
Dude, he says he's pro-gun, and he has no evidences for me to believe otherwise, thus standing against Hillary, he's the clear fucking choice.

If you don't trust him, your fucking choice, m8, can't change your cucked mind.

>>32288270
He was the clear choice for other issues.

>he says he's pro-gun, and he has no evidences for me to believe otherwise
>man from NYC who supports democrats for most of his life says he's pro gun

Should be up there with "politician backs your football team" and "candidate normalguy drinks this beer and so should you"

This is a relatively simple concept. Why do you struggle to get your head around it?

>can't change your cucked mind.
I'm not the one who places complete trust on a specific issue where there is absolutely no reason to do so whatsoever.

>>32285001
>Saddam
>Allegedly used chemical weapons against his populace
>Allegedly
The rest of that is accurate, though

>>32288290
>This is a relatively simple concept. Why do you struggle to get your head around it?
Because if you read about him, the man has been pro-gun since 2001?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm
>I'm not the one who places complete trust on a specific issue where there is absolutely no reason to do so whatsoever.
So you don't trust him, big fucking deal.

>>32288313
>the man has been pro-gun since 2001?

So what, since he was in his mid 50s? Clearly grew up very pro gun and had his opinions moulded by them, certainly not down to political ambitions.

Your source goes from 2000 (when he was in favour of waiting restrictions), then jumps forward about 9 years when he started his political ambitions. Your own source proves what I said to be correct - he shifts quickly and when it suits him, and at no other time.

You aren't very bright, are you?

>>32288227
>I actually know he's smart because the man has maintained his business and is now successfully politically.
So fuck facts and evidence, only smart people can ever be successful, and that's how you know Trump is smart?


Also the circular reasoning comes in because you're the one making both claims. That Trump is smart and that smartness led to him becoming President. And that him becoming President is the proof of his smartness. The confirmation bias there could be mopped off the floor, so to be brief, you negate any point you're trying to make because you're saying something that you have no proof of to explain why something happened, and when people ask for proof, you claim that the result is all the proof you need.

Then again, you were the same idiot who was saying "results are all that matter" earlier in the thread, weren't you? So I suppose I should hardly be surprised.


>Get those scientists and scolars to run then.
When we figure out a way to make elections based on someone's merit instead of a popularity contest, I'm sure they will.

>>32288341
>So what, since he was in his mid 50s? Clearly grew up very pro gun and had his opinions moulded by them, certainly not down to political ambitions.
There is no record for his issues on guns before the 2000, but his record stays clean that he's pro-gun.
>Your source goes from 2000 (when he was in favour of waiting restrictions), then jumps forward about 9 years when he started his political ambitions. Your own source proves what I said to be correct - he shifts quickly and when it suits him, and at no other time.
9 years ain't a short time, bro.
>You aren't very bright, are you?
Why am I not bright again?

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>>32279723

Did these three roll off an assembly line? They look really similar.

>>32288361
Facts and evidences are Trump's achievements, he is smart, therefore he achieves shit. That result is indeed the proof you need.

>When we figure out a way to make elections based on someone's merit instead of a popularity contest, I'm sure they will.
Get smarter then, figure that shit out.

>>32288384

Bankruptcy, lawsuits, scandals and controversy are Trump's achievements.

I expect him to run the country into the ground.

>>32288395
Trump's achievement is that he's a millionaire-billionaire, and now a president too.

Well, try to be smart like him first, maybe you can be president some days.

>>32288260
>we
I see it now, you guys really are this delusional.

Arguing with the fucking retard who says he knows Trump is smart "because he won!" finally made me realize it.

Fine then, it's been too long since /k/ had a good civil war, I welcome verbally raping you idiots over the next '8 years', heh.

>>32288290
They can't wrap their heads around it because they're the kind of idiots who decide that anyone who disagrees with them on politics is a "cuck", no matter how much that person loves guns.

And in fact it even seems like these fuckers don't even care at all if a person loves guns, with how quick they are to demonize anyone who didn't vote for Trump.

Like I said earlier, these fuckers care more about politics than guns. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were using this "we're single issue voters" shit as a smoke-screen to carry out this campaign to push out anyone who isn't a fucking Phil-tier nut.

>>32288410
I welcome the verbally rape, haha.

And m8, if these people love guns so much they vote for Hillary, I got news for ya.

>>32288384
>I literally have no idea how arguing, or even the scientific method works

>>32288400
>millionaire-billionaire
... okay now I'm not sure if someone's just been trolling us this whole thread.

>>32288400

He has a lot of nerve calling Hillary corrupt, considering all the stuff he's done.

>>32288429
Prove to me the scientific method, get some scientists to run in 2020.

>>32288436
Trolling you on what issue?
>>32288440
What has he done? Tax evasion and fraud?

>>32288205
>and he wants friendly relationship with Russia

A meaningless endeavor, the GOP in Congress won't allow anything of the sort to happen.

Especially not when Cold War fossils like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are still around.

>>32288450
Yeah, we will see about that, m8.

>>32288400

Trump doubled-down on the "Party Of White People" rhetoric.

Not exactly rocket-science.

>>32288238
dat pic like marx and his compatriots didn't fill libraries about capitalism scientifically explaining why it is not optimal.

>>32288468
Maybe you should do that too, see if you can win in 2020?

>>32288457
He can technically forge better relations, but doing stuff like removing sanctions on Russia is out of his hands. That's the job of Congress.

Plus, if the current rumor that his Secretary of State nominee is Rex Tillerson (a friend of Putin), then he faces a hard confirmation in the Senate from both sides of the isle.

>>32288479
As said, we will see about that.

Trump has tamed the cuckservatives, and now he will replace everyone with his people.

>>32288489
I sincerely hope you're right.

>>32288475
Can you spoonfeed us on Marx: why capitalism is scientifically not optimal?

>>32288478

Or I could just cater to the votes of every other demographic group in America, all of whom are increasing in number while white people are dying out. White people don't breed, thank God.

Demographically white people are destined to become just one minority group among many.

>>32288491
Me too, anon, me too.

Frankly, we need to get back to the glorious USA-Russia alliance.

>>32288448
The Trump is smart thing, where the only proof evidently needed is that he succeeded and is now "billionaire-president".

>>32288421
>And m8, if these people love guns so much they vote for Hillary, I got news for ya.
No, I got news for you, loving guns matters a hell of a lot more than who you voted for, because at the end of the day gun rights are only one fucking issue that the election is about.

Fuckers like you love to talk big when you know you never need to worry about your convictions being tested. If it ever came down to it and the pro-guns candidate was huge SJW in every other way I bet there'd be a lot of people staying home on election night.

>>32288497
Now that's modern /k/.

I hope you run against Trump in 2020, m8.

We will see who's smarter after all.

>>32281011
this sounds like a fucking meme

>>32288493
i'm not a marxists i'm all for free market and venture capitalism but they did put in a hell of a lot of work and very serious and deep arguments why communism is better than capitalism.

i guess the main principle is planned manufacture is more resource efficient than competitive innovation and production. which ideally would be but in practice always turned to utter shit because of inadequate and wrong incentives.

>>32288502
>The Trump is smart thing, where the only proof evidently needed is that he succeeded and is now "billionaire-president".
How is that trolling? Trump is smart, thus he's successfully, both financially and now politically.
>No, I got news for you, loving guns matters a hell of a lot more than who you voted for, because at the end of the day gun rights are only one fucking issue that the election is about.
But who you vote is directly related to the matter because that person can be pro-gun or anti-gun.
>
Fuckers like you love to talk big when you know you never need to worry about your convictions being tested. If it ever came down to it and the pro-guns candidate was huge SJW in every other way I bet there'd be a lot of people staying home on election night.
Don't worry, m8, we back that cuck Romney in 2012, we are gonna back whoever who's pro-gun.

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>>32288497
>Demographically white people are destined to become just one minority group among many.

Yeah, probably. Though considering the obvious racial and class-based tensions in the US that this election has shown, I wonder if getting too diverse might cause problems down the line.

Trump is smart, because you don't get to 10 billion from a 1 million loan while living a supremely lavish lifestyle at the same time.
To get to that amount through the stock market, for example, Trump would have to live like a poor man for 30 years to get the same result.

To add, Trump:
Finished top of his military academy class.
Graduated from the Wharton School of Finance.
Had to work with construction workers during his youth.

He had a good foundation to be street smart and cunning at the same time.

If you read how he fixed the Wollman Rink and a New York harbor ahead of time and under budget, you can see his knack for finding solutions and just calling stupid shit out from the get go.

>>32288514
So please put out these very serious and deep arguments.

>i guess the main principle is planned manufacture is more resource efficient than competitive innovation and production.
Explain?

>>32288502

"People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

"Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference."

>>32288540
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=marxist+theory+of+labor+and+production

you fucking retard i'm not going to dig up and pre-chew this shit for you. research it for yourself! pretending these men did not exist and did not put hard work into socialist ideology is beyond retarded. if they are right or wrong it's up for you to decide, i lived in socialism for a long time shit sucks donkey ass.

>>32288514
I think planned manufacture can be more resource efficient, but innovation requires waste.

>>32288566
So you are letting the books talk for you again.

Please talk for yourself.

>>32288533
What do you mean by this?

With the decline of white people, the right is finished.

>>32288525
>How is that trolling?
Well the "millionaire-billionaire" part made me feel like I was talking to a child. And your whole demeanor through the argument. I get that you're not taking your side of things seriously, it's 4chan after all, it's why noone takes things seriously (and then always complains when it's just the other person doing it).

But success doesn't prove intelligence, that's not an argument. Nor is it logical. And so any conclusions based on that position are also flawed.


And a side-note about logic, since it seems so many people around here have trouble with it in general... Logic is NOT math. In math 1 plus 1 always equals 2. While logical thought need not always have the same conclusion for the processes that go into it to be logic.

>Who you vote is directly related to the matter because that person can be pro-gun or anti-gun.
It certainly can be, but who you vote for is not the be-all, end-all determiner of your beliefs. Most people do not consider guns as their primary issue of concern when going to the polls. But that's apparently enough for some people, regardless of who that person voted for, to declare someone anti-guns.

Frankly there's no greater proof that the fuckers whining about "modern /k/" are the newfags, considering that /k/ has held single-issue voters in disdain, even when that single-issue is guns.

>>32288606
I'm wondering if the US could, at some point in the future, undergo a kind of balkanization on racial lines.

>>32288567
they were idealists. capitalism is built on lot's of selfish people that try to provide value for each other out off selfish reasons leads to an optimum in a chaotic evolutionary way.

communism is built on the idea that smart people can cooperatively and selflessly put their heads together and find even better solutions together and go with the best and the rest of the people will also cooperate and do their best for each other and this is a hell of a lot more efficient than the capitalist approach.

both bunches had workable ideas but only one recognized the truth about human nature. even tho we are capable of being both selfish and competitive and cooperative and self sacrificing one works out better at large scale and the other better at small scale.

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>>32288617
>Well the "millionaire-billionaire" part made me feel like I was talking to a child. And your whole demeanor through the argument. I get that you're not taking your side of things seriously, it's 4chan after all, it's why noone takes things seriously (and then always complains when it's just the other person doing it).
What? I'm completely serious about my argument.
>But success doesn't prove intelligence, that's not an argument. Nor is it logical. And so any conclusions based on that position are also flawed.
Success proves smartness, if you aren't successful, you aren't smart or deserved to be called smart, after all, if you are smart, why aren't you successful?
>It certainly can be, but who you vote for is not the be-all, end-all determiner of your beliefs. Most people do not consider guns as their primary issue of concern when going to the polls.
Oh god, this is really modern /k/, where people love guns so much they vote for Hillary.
>But that's apparently enough for some people, regardless of who that person voted for, to declare someone anti-guns.
If you vote for anti-gun politicians, you are anti-gun. Period.
>Frankly there's no greater proof that the fuckers whining about "modern /k/" are the newfags, considering that /k/ has held single-issue voters in disdain, even when that single-issue is guns.
Didn't you just say gun right matter the most? And I'm sorry, you are the newfag.

>>32288628
That could happen.
>>32288644
Did you just call me retarded?

For what reason?

>>32288533
>the diversity is the problem
>not the people who rabidly hate diversity
>to the point that they're fine with using violent means or oppressive laws to oppose it

>>32279723
Ok

>>32288658
Diversity destroys race and cultures.

And enforcing the border is bad now, huh?

>>32288653
did i hurt your poor little feelings? you are one of those pony fags aren't you?

>>32288676
No, I'm just surprised.

I ask for very serious and deep arguments, you call me retarded and link to be a bunch of books.

Why can't you just speak for yourself?

>>32288658
Diversity is a problem when you lack unifying things like language, values and culture.

Immigrants in the past Americanized themselves, retaining only their food and religion. This isn't the case anymore.

Multiculturalism and identity politics just breeds division.

>>32288653
>For what reason?
Not even him, but if you can't figure that out, then you are definitely retarded.

But to spell it out for you...
>So you are letting the books talk for you again.
>Please talk for yourself.
Is the kind of reply that I see all the time from fucks like you... You act like a complete ass the whole discussion, make constant demands of the other party and when they won't or can't fulfill them you get all defensive and subtly hint that their refusal is because they actually have no argument at all (otherwise, he would have explained it to you, instead of linking a book, amirite?). Ironically revealing your own intellectual dishonesty in attempt to accuse another of it.

And it makes you a retard in this case because he clearly said he's not a marxist, and doesn't like marxism, and was just correcting you on a factual basis.

>>32288733
I don't care if he's a marxist or not, I just want him to explain his fucking position using "very deep and serious arguments".

Instead, he links fucking marxist books.

I ask again: why can't he talk for himself?

>>32279723
>That moment when the Marine Corps uses the most outdated technology of all the branches
> "u dont need munee or anyting fggts"

>>32288748
His "position" is specifically that Marx put actual thought his argument against capitalism and spelled it out with much greater detail than "hurr captialism is bad", as implied by the picture that started this. And that he basically did as much research into it as people have done into communism (again, referencing your picture as the trigger for all this shit).

And anon's position is supported by the fact that Marx wrote books detailing his thought processes and arguments on the matter.

>>32288799
And I'm asking that anon to support that position with actual arguments and thought processes from Marx, which he failed to, he just linked Marxist books.

>>32287542
4

>>32287336
>Implying that is possible without a purge.

>all these butthurt defensive marines
Lol

>>32288819
And why does he need to quote the books, simply to prove they exist?

>>32288819
Gee I dunno maybe because the arguments anon would tell you are in the books? You might actually be retarded.

>>32285227
It's on Brietbart and zerohedge you retard, how are those leftist msm sites?

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>>32288842
At least women would see an active combat role.

>clinton is evil, she is succesful and abused the system for personal gain
>trump is smart for being successful and abusing the system for personal gain

?

>>32286306
>All of our potential enemies are literal oceans away from us.
>Guys, the GROUND FORCES need the most money!

>>32288748
>CITATION NEEDED CITATION NEEDED CITATION NEEDED
>no that is a cuck source, why cant you speak for yourself

lol

>>32289236
>Those dirty fucking Russians, look at how these anonymous sources for the WP said that they somehow tried to influence the election. Hillary was totally justified saying she'd shoot down Russian jets over that fuckhole in the Middle-East. The US is not some peon to an oppressive regime.
>Trump accepting a phone call from Taiwan is all the proof one needs to see that he's not fit for politics. He can't even respect China's feelings over this sensitive issue. Totally unfit, and an idiot.
?

>>32289261
Who are you quoting?

>>32289236
Its almost like they're both twisted, manipulative monsters.

>>32288497
>Demographically white people are destined to become just one minority group among many.
It's not destined until it fucking happens
Deportations can occur, sending non-whites back to their homes can occur, ethnic cleansing can occur, genocide can occur

There is no America without whites. What you are talking about is future bloody civil wars where the non-whites are trying to kill off whites, like has happened in every other place whites become a "minority"

>>32288723
Immigrants in the past were white
At the end of the day everything is race

And the Marines are the whitest branch of the military, so i'll support em for that

Question: What is the practical benefit to having the different military branches? I mean, given the overlap they have these days, it seems a bit antiquated.

>>32291610
>put a boat guy in charge of a bunch of tanks
>put a tank guy in charge of a bunch of boats
>???????
>profit

>>32280981
Carter had actually spent decades in the civilian side of the DoD. He was qualified, in my opinion.

>>32291620

Our navy has the world's largest air force, and the other branches have their own aircraft, too. We've got two separate branches dedicated to ground pounding. In fact, I think tanks are just about the one thing NOT shared across branches.

So why the division?

>>32279771
Fpbp

>>32291661

Correction, navy has the second largest air force. And then there is the US Air Force.

>>32291661
Because the Navy uses planes for different things than the Air Force.

Are you familiar with the Goldwater-Nichols Act or Unified Combatant Commands?

>>32291689

Negative. I am not familiar with those. I seek enlightenment on this topic.

>>32289278
The stupid voices inside his head, obviously.

>>32289261
Also, the fucking CIA is saying the Russians hacked us now too. Basically anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows they hacked us, just like China was trying to hack us in 2012.

>>32285121

This. A top executive who commands top dollar in the private sector is a consummate professional and adjusts to fit the job he is given. The whole industry loyalty scare tactic is overblown.

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>>32288723
>Immigrants in the past Americanized themselves, retaining only their food and religion. This isn't the case anymore.

Is there actually evidence to show that assimilation rates are lower than before? Or is this just a meme people have decided is a fact?

It usually takes a couple generations, but America has some of the most successful history of assimilation. Irish, Catholics, Asians, and Germans. The list goes on.

We considered Chinese rail road workers a secondary class and now Asian-Americans often out perform Americans in certain areas of education and income. We enslaved an entire continent of races and while they're dirt poor as a demographic and have a lot of issues it can't be seriously argued that they don't consider themselves to be English speaking Americans.

It takes time. It also takes some effort from governance and the home population to properly assimilate.

> http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/07/10/when-and-why-nationalism-beats-globalism/

Sorry hombre but the race war ain't coming.

By and large the vast majority of people don't really care that much about race of immigrants outside of /pol/acks. They care about the sanctity of their values and culture. It's all a matter of perception more so than real problems. If you start perceiving immigrants as assimilating then you'll find yourself more open to the idea of indoctrinating them into Americanism.

>muh foreigners bad

Doesn't even deal with the issue. It's just an excuse to be mad.

>>32286301
autismo on roids

>>32288871
>>32289011
Yeah, I do think you need to quote the books in order to sustain your arguments.

>>32291851
>Also, the fucking CIA is saying the Russians hacked us now too. Basically anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows they hacked us, just like China was trying to hack us in 2012.
And what is the proof here again?

>>32292347
>Is there actually evidence to show that assimilation rates are lower than before? Or is this just a meme people have decided is a fact?
You have La Raza movement, where they want to make California Mexico again.

>>32292347
>They care about the sanctity of their values and culture.
that's why retarded leftists want to flood europe with terrorists?

because i'd argue that most leftists want any and all immigrants as long as they aren't white.

>>32292347
>It takes time. It also takes some effort from governance and the home population to properly assimilate.
That's one of the major things they don't get though. I've tried explaining it before many times, pointing out how the population of 'Chinatown, USA' tended to integrate poorly and remain insular, precisely because the existing population did everything in their power to exclude them, including cramming them all in one ghetto. Meanwhile asians who've been coming here in the last few decades integrate much better because they're not facing that same kind of behavior.

Also I'm not sure if that guy was being serious about the "food and religion" part, since St. Patrick's Day certainly wasn't anything people cared about until the Irish came in en masse, while there's Cinqo de Mayo from the hispanics. People keep cultural aspects all the time, just that noone calls it that when it applies to the European cultures it seems. Also they're kinda easy to miss because it's largely regional. The local culture, beyond the core of American values, is quite different when you compare Boston with New Orleans.

>>32292630
His argument is literally "this book exists". The content of it is not what's being debated.

The way you keep going on about this just makes it clear that you're a complete ass.

>>32292764
The book exists does not mean the arguments he puts forth exist, because he refuses to make the arguments.

>The way you keep going on about this just makes it clear that you're a complete ass.
What?

>>32292749
No, the asians who come here right now still stick to their cultural hubs, Chinatown USA is not a ghetto.

What you mean by a ghetto is what nigger and mexican neighborhood that whites have abandoned.

>>32292786
>I can't understand why someone won't take the time to explain how a philosophy they don't agree with can have reason and thought put into its arguments
>And until they provide it I'm going to passive-aggressively accuse them of debating in poor faith
That's why you're a fuck.

>>32292811
So I'm a fuck because my opponent refuses to argue?

Nice.

>>32292847
>So I'm a fuck because my opponent refuses to spoon-feed me information which is irrelevant to the whole subject?
ftfy... And yes.

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>>32287841

This

Go home >>>/leftypol/ you're drunk

>>32292891
OK, brah.

Try to argue next time.

>>32292847
>>32292891
Actually, to clarify... he doesn't need to quote anything to prove that Marx didn't just wipe his ass with every page like the image that started this asserted. Whether you agree with his conclusions or not, that doesn't mean Marx didn't think about them and try to explain his thought processes with a logical argument.

>>32292906
Actually, I do think he needs to put forth Marx's so-called "very deep and serious arguments" instead of...not putting forth it.

You can't just say because Marx wrote a book, therefore that book is logical and Marx puts forth a deep argument.

>>32292926
One could likewise say you can't just say "he didn't put any thought into it at all" without showing proof.

Considering the other guy left the thread hours ago and I'm just someone who's pissed off by HOW you're arguing this, rather than what you're arguing. And considering how you've been a passive-aggressive child this whole time, I'm inclined to side with the guy who's not even here.

>>32292982
>One could likewise say you can't just say "he didn't put any thought into it at all" without showing proof.
Yeah, I can say that, because there's no thought being put forth so far.
>
Considering the other guy left the thread hours ago and I'm just someone who's pissed off by HOW you're arguing this, rather than what you're arguing. And considering how you've been a passive-aggressive child this whole time, I'm inclined to side with the guy who's not even here.
Who cares with who you side with lol?

As said, do try to argue next time.

>>32293000
>As said, do try to argue next time
Said the guy who's demonstrated all throughout this thread that he doesn't know how to argue.

Honestly I've suspected for a while that you're doing this on purpose because if you can just aggravate your opponent into leaving (like you obviously did), you can mark it down as a 'win'.

>Trump is stupid
What they really mean:
>Trump's speech pattern isn't congruent with my Marxist proffessors' speech pattern

>>32293033
How do I not know how to argue again?

>>32293033
When will brainlets learn amirite?

>tell people they're subhumans that you want to round up and deport
>dont hire them
>dont sell them houses outside of ghettos
>try to refuse them service at businesses
>whine when they dont assimilate and vote against you

Why are conservatives so stupid?

>>32293101
Because we don't actually want them to be here.

Like holy shit, take a hint.

>>32293114
At least you're honest

>>32293101
>whine when they dont assimilate and vote against you
Yep, that's why they don't assimilate. It's all whiteys fault. Stupid, stupid, angry whitey.

>>32293061
Because you're a faggot who demanded a source and when that source was provided you then demanded they begin quoting the source to you as if you were unable to read it yourself and as if the anon was intimately familiar with the information. The onus of proof was discharged as soon as he provided the link, it's not his fault you whined like a fucking child and demanded to have it read to you like a bedtime story.

>tfw the newfags don't even know how to debate properly

>>32293132
Yes, it isn't actually possible to "assimilate" with people who want you dead or gone.

>>32293167
No, it's because there are too many of them. You can't sustain that rate of immigration and retain your national identity. But keep blaming whitey, it is really helping you win elections. :^)

>>32293150
I demand arguments, not sources, brah.

And to this date, I don't see no arguments.

>>32293209
I don't want unlimited immigration you fag, but wondering why some minority group or another isn't assimilating while you try to stop them is retarded.

>>32293209
This kind of shit is why I really hate Trump. He pandered to fucks like you and when he won it emboldened every gooose-stepping mother fucker from here to the Rhine. It's great consolation that he doesn't believe any of it, and it's going to be great watching him disappoint you over the next 4 or 8 years.

>>32293226
>brah
I've made my point, you don't understand how a proper debate works, and you turn into a whiny passive-aggressive faggot when you think you're losing.

I couldn't give a fuck about Marx.

>>32293209
Be honest, any non zero number is "too many" for you

>>32293235
They're not working with logic anyway, it's pure feels.

It's why they can figuratively (though literally probably happens too) spit on people and then complain about those same people being the problem.

>>32293235
There are too many of them to make assimilation possible. They have huge communities now where no one speaks English. Yes, assimilation is desired by people who don't understand the problem. The people who do understand are saying build wall deport them all.

>you fag
u mad u mad?

>>32293241
>hate
ouch bro

>>32293281
I would settle with keeping the 30% that voted for Trump and throwing people like you out of helicopters.

>>32293295
And the Irish were in ghettos and rioted when "Irish need not apply" was a thing. One they got "promoted" to being white the problem has mysteriously gone away for them. Wonder why?

>>32293321
>I want to murder these people
>why wont they assimilate with me??
>must be a race thing

>>32293321
>let's 'get rid of' 70% of the country because they didn't choose the same person as me
Yeah you sure showed him with that sensible and logical suggestion!

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>>32279781
>Marines
>Effective

>>32293331
Hispanics are only White when they kill little baby black kids who dindu nuffin.

>>32293355
I meant the 30% of hispanics that voted for Trump, you retard.

>>32293341
>why wont they assimilate with me??
You're not paying very close attention.

>>32293385
>I didn't mean everyone, I just mean members of this racial group that I generally don't like!
Yes because that's so much better.

When did you first realize that you were a statist?

>>32293401
You're not paying very much attention. White people are going to be a minority seen. Doing your very best to drive non whites into the arms of the democrat is political suicide long term.

>>32293420
>statist?
lol okay this makes sense now

>m-muh illegal aliens dindu nuffin
>muh 14th Amendment applies to illegal aliens!!!1

>>32293447
>illegal immigrants are the only minorities or residents

Keep deluding yourself

>>32293442
>White people are going to be a minority seen.
Hey, it's like you're doing my work for me. Thanks.
>Doing your very best to drive non whites into the arms of the democrat is political suicide long term.
No, I think you have that backwards, buddy. Democrats drove working-class Whites into the arms of Republicans. Stop avoiding responsibility like the effeminate numales that you are.

Can't we just end the marines? They offer nothing that isn't duplicated by the other services and they fuck everything up with their general fuckery and entitlement.

>>32279723
All of that salad, and not a valor award among 'em.
>"Warriors"

>>32293476
Not that guy but I think both sides are driving away people, but the Republicans seem to be doing it more-so.

Also Dems drove away white because they didn't seem to care, while Republicans are driving away minorities because they seem actively antagonistic toward them.

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>>32293621
>the Republicans seem to be doing it more-so.
That's called media bias, son.
>actively antagonistic toward them.
That's how you're supposed to treat invaders, cuck.