A2's are sexy as fuck, way sexier than M-forgeries, but

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Probably because no one wants 20" A2 upper assemblies anymore.

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>>32278503
I know PSA makes flat-top A4 complete uppers, as do a couple of other companies. Can't think of anyone that does a proper fixed carry handle A2 upper, though. If you want that, you're pretty much forced to build from individual parts.

Could be worse, though. I'm planning an M16A1 clone build, and...yeah.

Either way, it's a shame. Simple 20inch AR's are tragically underrated. IMO, there's a ton of merit to a full-length AR that isn't weighed down by a bunch of tacticool bullshit. Fuck, an A1 is barely over 7lbs. That's stock M4 territory.

>>32278566
You going to do a slab side? Those are sexy as hell, too.

>>32278566
Just ordered all my parts yesterday for a Colt 603 clone. It's gonna be hot as fuck

Here are the parts I used

http://whatacountry.com/colt-m16a1-parts-kit.aspx

http://www.shop.dezarms.com/product.sc;jsessionid=40E163EB037DA4DEC05479213DC9801F.p3plqscsfapp006?productId=121&categoryId=27

And a NoDakSpud a1 receiver

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>>32279108
>http://whatacountry.com/colt-m16a1-parts-kit.aspx
>$700, w/out barrel
Jesus Christ.

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>>32278619
Original plan was and still is to do a conventional A1 as correctly as I can. That said, I've been toying with doing an Armalite AR-15 prototype build.
It'd be considerably more difficult and less practical, but that would make for one hell of a conversation piece.

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>>32278503

FN-15 is pretty affordable and nice.

>>32278503

Try TNTEsales.com

It will take a few months to get your upper unless you buy one of their pre-built ones, especially around the holidays, but the guy builds good stuff.

>>32279542

that big white logo kind of ruins the "military issue" look

>>32278503
You can find them. Ar15sport.com sells decent ones as does windham weaponry. For a real A2 upper you'll probably be better off buying your own. Look at numrich for the best price on a stripped upper and Windham for a 20" chrome lined A2 barrel

Compass Lake Engineering
White Oak Armament
Accurate and Reliable Rifle
Keystone Accuracy

All make and stock proper A2s with proper handguards and they all hide a steel float tube under the handguards so the barrel is free floated.

get wet OP

>>32278566
How did the A2 go so wrong after this?
>Government profile bbl
>A2 length stock
>Stupid grip nub
>A2 sights
>Muh 1:7 twist

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>>32280787
Muh-reens.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a168577.pdf

>>32280787
• Government profile barrels are crap.
• A2 length stock is great in prone, and only slightly a pain offhand. Much prefer too long than too short, but I'm 6'.
• A2 grip nub is dumb.
• A2 sights are amazing. They are some of the most accurate and robust "battle rifle" sights on any rifle ever made. They can be easily upgraded to keep pace with expensive match sights without losing their robustness.
• 1:7 is nice, 1:8 or 1:7.7 is better but with Berger's 82gr bullet in the wild, fast twists are lovely.

>>32280897
I think the only thing the A2 actually managed to get right were its handguards and the rearsight setup.

>>32279754
I've seen some people paint the branding on their glocks in white, you could just do the same with black

>>32280914
I'll grant that a lot of what I like about the M16A2 is what happened to it when companies had to try and fix it.

Free float tube under handguards
Hbar
Adjustable stocks
Good triggers

Here you go, you lazy invalid

http://www.scopeandlaser.com/index.php?cat=&p=6&sp=&cat0=41&cat1=115&cat2=&id=18847&new=&more=

>>32278503
RRA still will do rifles on A2 uppers, as well as NM A2 rifles.

I don't know of anyone who actually stocks them, but you can special order them. The A2 upper is a $50 up-charge on the complete rifle due to requiring a rear sight kit.

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>>32278503
>>32278503
>Windham Weaponry for the barrel kit and Del-Ton for the A2 Upper.

>I went with WW for my barrel kit and BCM for the upper

Because I'm #niceguy

http://www.compasslake.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23&products_id=219

http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-3-1.aspx

https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/a2-service-rifle-upper-post-ban-1-7-1-4-min-pinned-rear-sight-0-62-front-post-1205.html

http://www.accurateandreliablerifle.com/BUILD-YOUR-UPPER.html

http://www.keystoneaccuracy.com/servicerifles.html

>>32278503
probably for the same reason it's difficult to find a VCR now.

A2 upper with fixed carry handle and 20" pencil barrels are sex.

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>>32279542
>A2
>detachable carry handle

>>32281761
I'm building one right now myself.

They are sexy as fuck as OP says.

Dominion Arms DA556 (aka Norinco CQ M311-1)

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/dominion-arms-cq-556-rifle/

>>32281734
I worked with a guy once who "insulted" me by calling me a VCR.

>>32278503
Windham weaponry makes a model with A2 styling.

The real question is whats the best optic to mount on an a2 carey handle. Aimpoint witha gooseneck is legit, but so are those scopes colt made. Not a huge fan of an acog on them though, bit trijicon did make some weird reddot that im also a fan of

>>32278503
They sell what the markets want. Agreed though, I want me some lightweight 20" uppers

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WW bbl kit and RRA upper

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>>32279165
Euphoric.

>>32282549
The answer is always irons. If you want glass go flat top. The position on top of a carry handle is terrible.

>>32278503
Why did they switch from the triangular handguard to he circular round ones ? The A1 style handguard is sexier IMO

>>32282938
Because if you lose one piece of a triangular guard you need a whole new set. if you lose one piece of a round one you only need the half that you lost.

i'm sure there we other reasons too.

>>32282549

>>32282920


IDF often mounts meprolight products on top of their carry handles, so you might want to try that, Is suppose.

>>32282920
While the irons are fantastic and chinwelds sort of suck, i just want to live out my 80s operator fantasies.

And i think most of them look cool.

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>>32278503
There's a bunch of em.
Mine was from ar15sport.com

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>>32282920
>The position on top of a carry handle is terrible.

I'm 100% fine with mine.
Haven't fully sighted it in though

>>32278503
just build it already and stop complaining fag

>calling ar-15 s "m-forgeries" in the first place

I wanted to do an A1 or A2 build in 6.5mm, but I can't seem to find a non-match/bull/fluted 6.5 barrel.

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I was thinking a quasi A2 build, really just something light.

What's better, an old A1 pencil barrel, or an A2 profile barrel with fluting done on it?

Because everyone wants to be an opr8r m8, havent you heard?

But seriously, I think the A2/A4 is sexy as fuck.

>>32285753
Better for what? An A2 profile is not any better than an A1 because they're the same under the handguard. For most people a pencil barrel in 1/9 is fine.

>>32283025
>on top of
Not usually. The mepro sits on a mount in front of the carry handle, so it cowitnesses with the irons.

>>32280846
>Army fucks M16A1.
>USMC adopts better rifle.
>M16A1 is better!
>Army adopts M16A2.
>Army adopts M4.
>Less accurate, less reliable, less lethality.
When will the Army get disbanded?

>>32286541
There wasn't anything outright wrong with the A1.

Give the A1 some A2 sights and a collapsible carbine stock and it's pretty great.

How much barrel do you actually need for 5.56mm?

>>32286820
14.5" minimum or else the performance becomes too shit.
16" for legality
20" for best performance for a combat rifle.

Olympic arms probably still sells an a2 clone. I got mine in 2008 though.

whats the difference between A1 and A2?

>>32286836
>16" for legality

Wut.

>>32286849
BOI

>>32286849
In America, rifles must have at least a 16" barrel to be legal without jumping through NFA hoops. Below 16" without jumping through NFA hoops is a felony, and NFA hoops are both expensive and time-consuming.

>>32286836
It's funny how shorter barrels actually have less power than longer barrels.

>>32286871
Sounds retarded, considering how bullpups effectively have very short barrels.

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>>32278503

M203 heat shields need to make a comeback

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>>32286923
I almost bought a Title 1 M203 receiver to register as a DD. Some cunt did buy it now and got it ahead of me.

>>32286904
No they dont

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>>32286847
A1
>Safe/Semi/Full
>thinner barrel profile
>1:12 twist rate
>delta ring is straight
>rear sights are only adjustable for elevation, not windage
>triangular handguards
>basically no brass deflector
>forward assist is a teardrop shape
>early ones had three-pronged flash-hider, but most have the typical birdcage flash-hider

A2
>Safe/Semi/Burst
>burst works by the use of a cam which stops full-auto fire every three rounds, then resetting, some people don't understand how it works and treat it's behavior as malfunctions when they fire two rounds and then only get one round trying to fire the next burst, or vice versa
>thicker barrel profile, with a step around the front-sight post, for mounting your underbarrel grenade launcher
>1:7 twist rate
>delta ring is tapered
>rear sights are now adjustable for windage, the sighting unit also comes off the carry handle (so it's easy to replace it if needed, without having to chuck the entire upper in case the sights are broken)
>round handguards, similar to those found on earlier carbine variants (such as the XM177) but longer
>a generous brass deflector
>forward assist is circular
>flash hider isn't noticeably different from the typical birdcage
>pistol grip now has a step on it

A3
>same as A2 but has detachable carry handle and the fire selector goes Safe/Semi/Burst/Full
>why burst is anyone's guess because burst is kind of retarded desu and makes the trigger less nice
>was only made in smaller numbers for special forces anyway who would be expected to handle full-auto perfectly well

A4
>same as A2 but has detachable carry handle and a full length quad-rail (often issued with a VFG)
>(the M16, previously known for being quite light, is now starting to get a bit heavy with the thick barrel profile and big quad rail)

>>32287239
>>rear sights are only adjustable for elevation, not windage
Other way around. The rear sight is windage, the front elevation.

>>32287005
"Effectively", they do.

>>32286923
I got an A1 /w CM203 clone.

They are fun guns, my bud has a few registered lowers and I popped one on one time and did a full mag dump without the muzzle rising. The launcher makes a pencil barrel so fucking stable it's ridiculous.

>>32287325
You're thinking of Overall Length

>>32287355
>"EFFECTIVELY"

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>>32287239
A3s are Navy modified A2s that are full auto.

They are marked SAFE/SEMI/BURST but the burst is full retard.

And initially A3s had fixed A2 carryhandle uppers.

>>32278503
Agreed. I want to build an A4 clone though. That knights rail does it for me pretty hard

Just built a 20" a2 from PSA. Wish I bought grey mags now.

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>posts A2 with removable carry handle

Absolutely disgusting.

>>32286923
If the m203 hand guard had a bottom and didn't feel/look like shit because of it, I'd want one even without the 203. Shit's sexy otherwise.

>>32286871
200$ isn't too expensive. It's just that the idea of registering my funs with any government entity is abhorrent to me.

>>32286904
Semantics aside, welcome to America. Go read up on NFA regulations for SBR's, SBS's, and AOW's I'd you want to be confused and angry. It's some of the most retarded shit ever.

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In for A1 goodness,

If you want a good laugh read up om why the govt profile barrel was created

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>>32279165

>>32288339
link?

>>32279108
>>32279135
I built one on one of those jew re-import kits with a green mountain barrel for less than 700. That price is atrocious and what-a-country are a bunch of faggots.

>>32286904
The whole point of a bullpup is to use the overall length more effectively by moving the action back to the shoulder, this allows you to keep a longer barrel than a traditional rifle for the same length. For example one of the more dated designs, an Aug with a 16 inch barrel is shorter than a collapsed M4 w/ 14.5" barrel, a Tavor can pack an 18" barrel into a similar overall length. So they really don't tend to have shorter barrels than conventional layouts, there's little need.

>>32288773
the tldr
>people use the barrels as pry bars because grunts are in charge of being smart
>.mil starts using gauges to make sure retards aren't bending their barrels
>much to their alarm some measurements suggest barrels are indeed being bent
>they opt to increase the thickness starting at the gas block as the profile closer to the chamber from there needs to be maintained as is for m203 compatibility
>it later turns out that the gauges were reading from on top of buildup under the gas block and thus making some barrels appear to have bent
>they keep the profile anyway justifying it as a heat sink and a compensatory weight on the muzzle end, which the thickness does indeed do but the amount of benefit is suspect
as a result of the a2 handguard design and the barrel profile, it does dissipate heat more rapidly, heat up a little more slowly and keep the user more comfortable but yeah

>>32278566
>Can't think of anyone that does a proper fixed carry handle A2 upper, though.
Del-ton sells them, but the lead time can be a bitch.

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I got a 20" A2 upper from Aero Precision. I tried to build the rifle as close to an A2 as I could get. Pic related is mine.

>>32290582
>That price is atrocious
They can get away with it because those are the only A1 kits left.

>>32286836
10.3 is the bare minimum before performance becomes too shit. 14.5 exists cause we've got all these bayonets and they have to go on something. just copy the 20.

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>>32278503
>A2
>posts a pic of a detatchable carry handle

>>32290582
So people who shit on the government profile are stupid and it doesn't matter in the slightest?

>>32290741
While there are better, more optimized barrel profiles out there, especially if you have a very specific purpose in mind for your rifle and it doesn't need compatibility with other .mil hardware but generally, yes.

>>32290741
Maybe try reading the actual report before saying stupid shit.

>>32290741
well if you think about physics and all that, the chamber end should be thickest because thats where the most heat will be produced. The govt profile barrel did exactly opposite leaving the hottest area of the barrel the thinnest

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>>32290822
Please enlighten me, oh wise Meister of all things AR-15 barrel related, as to why exactly what I said was wrong.

how much is a good condition '80s SP1 worth?

>>32291801
More than you make in a month.

>>32291785
>added weight
>impacts long range accuracy
>all for no benefit whatsoever
>"doesn't matter in the slightest"
Read the fucking report you mongoloid.

>>32290582
>That price is atrocious

To be fair to what-a-country they were charging $450-500 for kits as of late last year, maybe even earlier this year. Add a green mountain and that puts you damn close to what you paid.
I think they ran out of kits for a while earlier this year.

The price has less to do with election profiteering or semitic ambition but instead as >>32290652 says has more to do with the fact they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and are the only game in town.

Cheap a1 kits are kill.

>>32291955
I didn't see a single negative attributed to the Govt. profile in >>32290582

And impacts accuracy compared to what exactly?

>>32292241
Because that's not the report, dipshit.
>>32280846

>>32292241
the balance is crap since all the weight is out on the end for no real reason
its night and day if you hold both side by side

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>>32278503
>A2's are sexy as fuck, way sexier than M-forgeries

Fite me irl fgt

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>>32292483
[vomits internally]

>>32292257
That's why you don't rest your barrel on shit and also why when you use a prone-supported firing position you rest the weapon on the handguard right by the receiver.

>>32292621
>implying the testers rested their barrels on shit for the accuracy tests
>implying that there would be any different results between the two profiles if that was the only factor, considering both have the exact same profile from the chamber to the gas block and the thickened part of the A2's wouldn't do dick to lessen POI shift due to simple physics
Either way, out to 500 the government profile will perform worse in accuracy. Just stop.

A2 front sights are ugly and stop you from using optics.

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>>32294584
...sorry, what?

A1's remain the sexiest of all M16 variants.

>>32292135
No one was suggesting it had anything to do with anything. Just that it's awful. pos contributed nothing as usual. Even back then their price wasn't really competitive which is why they still have stock now, very little to do with why they are faggots in any case.

>>32295049
Wait... A soldier with an M16a4?

Dafuq?

>>32295049
>dat ancient mag

>>32296062
Why is that confusing to you?

Are you mental?

>>32297405
I'm in the Army and I've never seen a soldier use an M16a4, that's USMC gear. Its always been an M16a2 or an M4.

I've seen a2s with hand rails, but never a flat top.

>>32279165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DD_NCM_RJs

>>32292483
Looks like an ok rifle but it's not as sexy as an A2.