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>>32254833
A bunch of people with rifles can. One man, no. Did Ian get retarded on us?

Hes right. A rifle is just a single tool in the toolbox. Acting like its the one and only tool is what gets you blindsided by shit like SOPA and PRISM, which is exactly what he said.

>>32254833
What timestamp did he say that?

>>32254833
most of you Idiots are the problem

He is right.

your vote or lack of it further increases the size and overreach of government yet most of you dont give two shits about limiting the government and preserving the constitution as long as you have MUH RIFU which sits in the closet 350 days out of the year.


The founding fathers built a revolution in our system of government.

Its every two years at the voting booth. Take responsibility. Spread the word of liberty, basics of government and economics. the necessity of the constitution and its republic

>>32254908
about 28 mins, its the drone thing.

Realistically, what percentage of gun owners would resist if the ATF rolled up to grab?

I think <5%

Hes right.

I'm not sure what Ian is implying here. If he's implying that a rifle is an insignificant factor in a violent insurrection, and that you need a lot more than guns and bullets to make one successful....Then yeah hes right.


But if he is implying MUH DRONES and MUH TANKS without any consideration for asymmetric warfare, then obviously he is wrong. I don't think Ian meant this, he knows way too much about history to make such a dumb argument.

>>32254943
If you're fighting the ATF when they roll up to your door, you've done something wrong.

>>32254982
>2016
>USA
>asymmetric warfare

nice meme

>>32255017
I've got this sneaking suspicion you don't know what that term means

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>>32254876
Until the day Hillary can kill me over the screen all that spy shit over the internet means nothing. If you a en't a drug dealer, kiddy porn producer, money launderer or some such who leaves traces of that on the net they can't do anything to you. The weaponization of media and the net is highly overstated here. They tried to use it for Hillary and failed miserably like with any other government program ever. If rifles aren't the way you wage war and keep people in line and away from your privately owned shit, why are their enforcers dressed up like they are going to Helmand province, Afghanistan?

Obviously a lot goes into a good "insurrection" like shaping public opinion and making sure you are always percieved as the good guy and the actual victim but without being well supplied with weapons none of that matters.

>>32255017
There is no way for citizens to own M1A1s or Predators or Apaches, so I cant see how a hypothetical insurrection could be anything other than asymmetrical.

>>32255029
>I've got this sneaking suspicion you don't know what that term means

shooting isosceles is symmetric and weaver is asymmetric right?

>>32254914
I agree... mostly. The damage is done and voting/having faith in any political party is useless to have any kind of actual freedom.

Part of the problem are guys like you who say the way to fixing this is voting. Yeah...to a degree. This country is so devided and fucked up though. All I'm saying is with all these mass shootings, I wouldn't frown at all if one of those wackjobs dropped a bunch of politicians.

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He literally says you should do things IN ADDITION to having a rifle. Rifles can solve some problems; not others.

>>32255068
>I wouldn't frown at all if one of those wackjobs dropped a bunch of politicians.

The day after all your ARs would bei seized. You think senate would allow themselves to be targeted by citizens? Really?

>>32255087
It's clear they don't fear the people anymore.

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>>32255093
It' a good way to escalate things, paint yourself as the villain they have been claiming us to be and in the end loose horribly. Every instance in history had that result. Just look at the assasination of the Kaiser in Serbia that led to WW1. The Serbs didn't benefit from that.

>>32255087
>The day after all your ARs would bei seized.

Last I checked the overwhelming majority of states don't have registries, and the ATF would literally have to comb through every gun store in the country to even attempt such a move. Even if they tried it, people would see it from a million miles away and already start making preparations for the happening, because kicking down doors in the United States is the quickest way to start a violent insurrection.

>>32255115
I wouldn't want it, but if you're going to make fun of people who own guns for security because they fear the government...go turn in yours.

>>32255049
Look, there is far more going on in asymmetric warfare than equipment.

Like how would you go on about recruiting people?
If you don't want to be some crazy gunnut hiding in the woods you would need to organize yourself beforehand.

>>32255133
>I wouldn't want it, but if you're going to make fun of people who own guns for security because they fear the government...go turn in yours.

No, I [i]am[/i] those people. I'm just saying, killing people first, especially politicians, is what you wanna do if you want to loose.

>>32255127
there is no need for registries. All they need is an exec. order saying it's illegal to own self loading weaponry and you are obligated to hand them in. So then, if you are caught with one during whatever encounter you have with poopoolice you go to gulag. Don't fall for the nirvana perfect solution fallacy, they don't need to actually physically take every gun. Also, they can stop ammo manufacture and sale to civilians. Good luck making powder, cases and primers.

>Guerrilla Warfare
>Massive government surveillance detailing how often you masturbate to /d/

Pick one.

>>32255068
The quality of a nation's politicians is a direct reflection of the overall quality and of its citizens, especially when it comes to the United states.

>Part of the problem are guys like you who say the way to fixing this is voting

Then where do you begin if not at the voting booth, What do you do when informing yourself and those around you of basic economics and government is for some dumb reason not an option?

Voting on its own wont fix it Obviously, you send a population of useful idiots to vote thinking it will fix anything is foolish the power of the vote is behind an informed citizen.

If you walk into a voting booth not knowing the damnest thing about basic economics or how our system of government operates then not only have you irresponsibly done yourself a disservice, but you have also failed your country and country men who truly love liberty.

The country is divided because of ignorance on all sides, If you truly love freedom It's YOUR responsibility to spread the word of basic economics ,government and the necessity of the constitution.

>>32255169
>there is no need for registries. All they need is an exec. order saying it's illegal to own self loading weaponry and you are obligated to hand them in.

Yeah that will totally go according to plan. I don't see that going wrong at all.

>Good luck making powder, cases and primers.

Cases are recyclable.

Primer reloads can literally be made with matches.

Black powder is incredibly easy to make. Anyone with even a basic experience with chemistry would easily be able to manufacture smokeless powder.

>>32254982
Actually, insurgents use IEDS because a guy and his rifle kept getting BTFO'd by regular forces. Keep memeing about moldy labia though.

>>32255217
>Insurgents never use small arms

k

>>32255169
>No, I [i]am[/i] those people. I'm just saying, killing people first, especially politicians, is what you wanna do if you want to loose.

Again I'm not saying I want violence but would you feel very civilized if all of your votes never did anything? I think our country is one day going to entirely stop having a Constitution. Democrats and Republicans have both passed agencies and laws that are complete bullshit. How much you are willing to take might not be what your neighbor can take.

Look I'm not trying to make you a bad guy or me sound crazy. I just think America is close to some serious violence. I hate to use sjw's as an example cause fuck them and their vandalism ways. Or maybe the kkk and black panther start a race war. Meanwhile in capital hill they want to take your guns away. I don't care who's Republican. I wouldn't trust 99 percent of them. Our society is heading in a bad direction and having the tools to defend our family if no one is there to, is critical. The government should fear even thinking about taking guns...but they don't.

>>32255224
Wow, you sure showed that strawman.

>>32255115
They got an independent Serbia.

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>>32255211
>Yeah that will totally go according to plan. I don't see that going wrong at all.

We are talking about the beginnings of a civil war here mate.

>Cases are recyclable.

Yeah. How oftenc an you resize and reuse rifle brass? 3 times recommended... Let's say you do it 4-5 times. Fine. But brass will eventually wear out and I wanna see you collecting brass in a firefight...

>Primer reloads can literally be made with matches.

Go back on YT.

>Black powder is incredibly easy to make.

OK. But Your AR will not run more than one mag of it. Glocks will eat it, so will AKs for a time. Still, talk about being disadvantaged.

>Anyone with even a basic experience with chemistry would easily be able to manufacture smokeless powder.

Make a YT vid of you doing it. I wanna see that.

>>32255267
>I'm 13 and only know what my friend's dads with guns tell me.

>>32255267
So do you have any real rebuttal's, or are you just going to continue nitpicking?

>>32255267
>But brass will eventually wear out and I wanna see you collecting brass in a firefight...
The point of an insurgency is to not get into firefights, because of the implicit recognition that you wont survive a direct confrontation. Shoot and scoot, so on. This is why the Vietminh became masters of camouflage and ambush tactics, because they knew if they operated openly the french would firebomb them into oblivion.

Actually I blame all of our countries problems on women being allowed in politics...or hell to really do anything.

It's true, and has been for hundreds of years.

This is the thing. You being armed doesn't prevent you from being the victim of political corruption. It doesn't stop you from being drafted to fight in a war, nor does it stop your representatives spending your money on ridiculous vanity projects. It doesn't stop illegal immigrants replacing your culture and undercutting your work. Having a weapon is, as someone else pointed out, a tool in the box that you use in select scenarios. It is not, and never really has been, a guarantor that government will leave you alone or respect your choices. The US has probably the highest instance of corruption in the developed world, yet has the most armed people. The day to day stuff that actually effects you; falling education standards, stretched and crumbling infrastructure, massive overspends, health, obesity, white collar crime and so on isn't influenced at all by how armed you are.

People sneer at Europe, but they've worked under this reality for a lot longer than the New World have and as such are a lot more familiar with it. They know that the only way to escape government incompetence is to either ignore it (as certain countries are doing with the EU), or change it through violence(Ukraine, Croatia, Bosnia, etc etc). In the USA people live under the impression that they are capable of doing that, yet for everything that actually matters no one does a thing. Life is too good.

Timothy McVeigh was pissed over Waco, Ruby Ridge and Clinton's ATF/FBI projects. Yet, if he actually sat down and thought about it he would have figured out that government had been fucking him, personally, way worse for much longer.

>>32255244
>Again I'm not saying I want violence but would you feel very civilized if all of your votes never did anything?

I already feel that is the case.

>I think our country is one day going to entirely stop having a Constitution.

The ATF and -gov are breaking constitutional law every single day yet the only people who see to care is dissidents who they have labeled as gun nuts and probably have on watch lists. Things like that don't happen without the consent of the people.

>Democrats and Republicans have both passed agencies and laws that are complete bullshit.

Yes.

>How much you are willing to take might not be what your neighbor can take.


>Look I'm not trying to make you a bad guy or me sound crazy. I just think America is close to some serious violence.

The serious violence is already happening. Imagine if it was Trump supporters who, had Trump lost were, beating people up in the streets for voting for Hillary.

Posturing and virtue signaling are the new WMDs. Maxico has constitutionally anchored that Mexico's demographic makeup must not be changed - yet americans are evil evil islamophobe racists when they don't want unvettable masses of middle easterners entering their country. Why can Mexico do that but the US can't?

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>>32255316
Speaking of...one of my pipes cracked under the house. Crawl under to inspect. See this.

>>32254833
I'm curious why are you trying to strawman him.

He said that while gun ownership is important, in modern day controling your data and privacy is more.

>>32255337
>Posturing and virtue signaling are the new WMDs. Maxico has constitutionally anchored that Mexico's demographic makeup must not be changed - yet americans are evil evil islamophobe racists when they don't want unvettable masses of middle easterners entering their country. Why can Mexico do that but the US can't?

Seriously.

>>32255293
>So do you have any real rebuttal's, or are you just going to continue nitpicking?

No. I think you expect to be doing far too much with faar too little. If you have 10 spam cans of 545 somewhere you are much better off than thinking you'll be manufacturing ammo de novo in SHTF. That's 10800rds for about $2600. That's much better and more slimeline solution to the problem then looking for the raw materials that go into ammo manufacture.

>>32255359
>in modern day controling your data and privacy is more.

why? what? am I a kiddie porn producer? what can they glean from my mails that can lead to my destruction in any way shape or form?

Anyone got the pics of what would happen if the government waged war on it's citizens? It was the results of a training program some trip took part in. Like 3 pages long.

>>32255376
>Seriously.
I don't follow, where am I wrong?

>>32255403
I would be optimistic just cause there are a lot of people in the national guard that would side with civilians.

>>32255409
Nope I agree.

>>32254833

He's not saying a rifle won't protect you. A rifle will protect you from what it's meant to protect you from: Anything it can put a hole into. That's good; nothing bad about that. It's just that you need more than a rifle to defend yourself from the government as it is today should things get out of hand.

Think of it this way...
>Government knows where you are. Essentially, always.
>Know your routines.
>Know your interests.
>Know your possessions.
>Know your friends and relatives.

Pretty much knows everything about you. Want to own a rifle? More power to you. Will it help in the instance that shit hits the fan? Yeah, probably. But will it be able to solve all of your problems the same way owning a rifle many years ago would have? No.

He's not saying you're stupid for having a rifle or that it's useless. He's saying there's more to it if you're preparing for government to fuck shit up. A rifle is nice to have, yes, but that's just one thing that's nice to have among many other things that are nice to have or know.

>>32254914
>The founding fathers built a revolution in our system of government.
to a certain degree

lets put it like this, if the American Colonies started as "democratic" but had such a high British majority that they were able to vote in only their politicians and policies, its hard to argue that voting is a form of "revolution" if a good portion of the populace is willing to cling to the government and fully trust it without question

the founding fathers wanted citizens to be wary of all forms of government as they knew first hand why exactly you should be and should be very wary of a governing body that is out of touch with its population

if Hillary was elected and passed a gun control confiscation bill, its hard to say that revolution is "oh just a couple years away at the voting booth" when tyranny is knocking at your front door

by that time the damage is done, voting has failed, so why try again? a broken system cannot magically yield positive results by waiting and leaving it shattered on the floor

>>32255398
>I don't have bank account
>I don't do stuff online that I wouldn't want my employer/family/SO to know about
>I don't have a problem with goverment knowing how many gats I have
do you need more?

>>32255442
>But will it be able to solve all of your problems the same way owning a rifle many years ago would have?

Damn dude you are fucking retarded.

In what era of human civilization was a rifle the answer to all of your problems?

>>32255484

When wasn't it besides now and ancient times?

Want food? Get a gun.
Want protection? Get a gun.
Hate someone? Get a gun.
Want a home? Probably want a gun.
Bored? Get a gun.

I think you're retarded. I don't think you understand how valuable a gun was to people who still had to use a ramrod to load them.

>>32255522
>shooting anyone and anything at any time is "solving all of your problems"

You have to be 18 to post on this website.

>>32255522
>doesn't answer the question
>just repeats his claim and screams insults

You've convinced me. I now accept that I am retarded and you are correct.

>>32255475
>I don't have bank account

Not with illegal shit going on there.

>I don't do stuff online that I wouldn't want my employer/family/SO to know about

I actuallly don't.

>I don't have a problem with goverment knowing how many gats I have

I do but they can't find out about that via my computer.

>do you need more?

Yes pls.

>>32255555
hello dear goyim,

it seems you don't mind about people knowing about your life, so from now on a police officer is going to enter your house and inspect every single corner of it everyday at 5pm, also all your neighbours will be given a key to enter your house as they wish ( they won't be allowed to take anythign of course ), you will also be required to install camera inside your house that are connected to US government servers and to end this, everything you do, including going to the toilet and taking the car to the mechanics will be noted and transmitted in public on a social website.

enjoy your new life, faggot

>>32255546
>>32255554
come on guys your better than this

>>32255590
Strawman. I'm saying if you don't have a digital paper trail of your illegal activities, because you aren't doing anything illegal or are just too smart for them, they can't do anything to you.

>>32255522
>I don't think you understand how valuable a gun was to people who still had to use a ramrod to load them.

I seems even the survivalist/prepper/2ndA types have forgotten that. For most part of the modern era your musket would have been your most valuable and important possession.

>>32255555
>le only criminals should be upset about breech in privicy meme
you're a baiter and probably idiot as well
either way you are not worht any one's time

>>32255040
https://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/

>>32255255
Checked and kek'd

>>32255642
Another strawman. Ofc they should not be allowed to spie on you but if you ain't dirty they will not find anything to hurt you with. If they are planting dirt on you, you are done either way. It's not me giving them carte blanche to spie on us. I'm saying it not as effective a weapon as the guns of the cops, the ATF, the FBI or the Army.

>>32254943
well, only 3% of colonists took up arms against the British, so <5% of gun owners would still be quite the start
plus, people that would resist would tend to group together. You'd get whole suburbia cities with no resistance and then get bogged down in every other small town

and small towns would also have a lot more places to hide their guns
suburbanites would need to travel to hide their stuff
rural folk can throw a few decoys deep in the barn and bury their good stuff out in a field where the ATF'd never find it without dogs
and humping acres and acres of land for three or four different caches on each farmer's land would get real old real quick

>>32255688
>ATF'd never find it without dogs

Which interestingly enough they have: Gun and ammo sniffing dogs! Also metal detectors.

>>32255040
>I don't care about the wider world having information about every aspect of my life from the food I buy to the porn I watch as long as they don't arrest/kill me
Fuck you.

>>32255730
just don't respond to him

>>32255702
yeah, but again, humping a crew with dogs or metal detector through planted corn fields looking for caches out in the country at every farm will take eons and cost a fortune

>>32255040
only if by "failed miserably" you mean "won the popular vote"

>>32255688
They would have to be careful not to shoot their own dogs.
That might be hard.

>>32255662
>Being spied is only bad if they can find stuff you've done wrong
Go fuck yourself buddy.

>>32255139
>If you don't want to be some crazy gunnut hiding in the woods
you are already thinking about it all wrong. 2 or 3 motivated guys in an urban setting who know how to keep their noses clean are much more dangerous than bubba in the woods

>>32254833

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frTNEoCHreE

Seems to work pretty well here

>>32255040
>nothing to hide, nothing to fear
Get raped.

>>32255618
Yeah, doxxing is completely harmless.
So is sending your browser history to your boss, friends and family.
Or preventing you from accessing various public services.

Anyways, it's pretty simple to make things become illegal.
>some crazy knife a bus driver somewhere
>terrorists shouldn't be able to access public transportation
>we'll make a database of potential terrorists
>some obscure commission will survey it
>4chan has been linked to cyberattacks and white supremacist groups (remember the retards that went to a BLM rally?)
>therefore 4chan users are forbidden from accessing public transports
>rince and repeat until you're no longer able to live a decent life due to complete lack of modern amenities.
And nobody will bat an eye.

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>>32254833
Wow, you're such a cuck that you made another thread.

>>32255040
God, you're fucking disgusting.

>>32255087
Not how it works.

Also, it wouldn't happen in a day, and it would a radical escalation, very bad move.

>>32255040
>Not coperators

>>32254833
>patreon
and im out

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>>32255403
This is a good one sorry for micro type

>>32254943

Roll up to grab what? I dont have any guns.

>>32256532
>Roll up to grab what?
Your pussy.
>I dont have any guns.
QED

>>32255049

Disabling a tank crew can allow them to steal it. And disabling the tank turns the crew into infantry.

>>32256586
If you "disable" a modern tank you're going to put it into such a state that you would need access to the factory to repair it.

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>>32256425
thank you komrade

>>32254833
hes not saying a rifle isn't necessary, hes saying the government isn't attacking you physically but online, through surveillance and a gun wont protect you from that.

>>32256532
Why are you replying if you're not a gun owner?

>>32254833
Think what he means is you should be doing your best to keep all your rights before having to result to using your guns to take them back. No fun I know but more practical you know.

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>>32254833
Fuck this Bernie loving faggot.

>>32255017
>soldiers have no family living in the US
>facilities and workers that produce supplies all magically teleported to another country
>roads are now made of solid steel and an automatic turret is placed every 5 feet of every major road in the US
>all rebels are now living together in one building, said building has big "x" painted on it for drone strike
>anyone who wishes to fight against the government will now shave a big "x" into their heads, for easy identification
>all combat veterans are 100% loyal to the goverment in any event
>all current servicemen are 100% loyal and willing to do anything
>afghanistan/iraq is absolute proof that our leaders know what the fuck they are doing, because a civil war is so much simplier than ME conflict

Ian is right, here's why.

>assuming civil war
This will never happen. Even if it did it won't be a band of rebele's and federale's duking it out.

The civil war 2 of America will be door to door searches, and people ventilating cops' heads with small concealable guns. It will be not paying taxes, it will be through haxing and information theft.
The days of high intensity combat are gone and won't return. This is the information age and that's the field that needs to be played.

Killing also won't do shit in ACW2.0 electric boogaloo etc.
Killing on either side only pushes people away from your cause. If you want to topple the government, you take away its paycheck.

What's more likely is that political violence will erupt. We've been getting closer and closer to it and this last election has seen a fair amount of violence and crime based entirely on politics.

>>32259194
Actually, what the fuck does information theft play into?

If it's just different political party getting elected, that's not enough change around here.

Guns, guns is what turn civil war into quagmire.