Why arent gyrocopters more popular as light military aircraft?

>>32222762
Limited range
Limited weight capacity
No protection from weather or small arms fire

>>32222762
Because it's a really retarded idea to implement these into a modern battlefield.

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Was pretty lame in Farcry 4 until you got the M79 and enough fo-tay mike-mike to make it worth it.

>>32222762
I bet you think gliders are valid too.

>>32222762
>why dont we use a machine with no armor or weaponry worth a damn in battle?

im pretty sure someone with a .22lr could take that thing down. is that a good enough reason?

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>>32222762
needs the caption backblast area clear

>>32222762
so they don't go that much faster than wheeled transport

they go way to slow to effectively avoid groundfire

they exponentially increase the logistical strain of the individual soldier. The gyrosoldier requires all the same suport as a regular trooper, plus fuel/parking space/maintenance personnel/spare parts.

they are way more dangerous to operate than boots and a rifle, and you would be giving them to retarded 18 year olds who would immediately crash and kill themselves

can't operate in inclement weather

too loud for stealth insertions

range too short for strategic operations, limited to tactical only
I could see SOF using them as some kind of rapid exfiltration in shitty mountain/jungle/swamp terrain or something, but they're not at all suited to large scale mobile warfare or massed infantry.


Imagine your dragoon force cresting a hill and meeting a shilka lol.

>>32222762

Gyrocopters can't take off or land without runway.

Modern helicopters operate with gyrocopter technology. Helicopters can have rear thrust that acts similarly to a rear propeller.

>>32222762
Because you'd be better off deploying an aerial UAV if you're loitering and striking, an attack helicopter if you're CAS or a transport chopper if it's safe enough.

It might have a niche like the Fultonzl-lift system, but mass scale a program like that would eat more than it would be worth as it doesn't advance new technologies or have widespread applications.

>>32222762
because the light scout concept is dead in military aviation.

>>32222909
They can if they have pitch control for their rotor

>>32223043
Yeah but helicopters are a lot more difficult to fly and maintain. A gyrocopter is practically a flying lawnmower in complexity

For use as personal transport, as a replacement for unarmored transport, i still think its a good idea. They are really cheap. You can buy 5 of them for the cost of a military humvee with out armor.

>>32223084
Alright, it becomes clear that you do not know what you are taking about.

That big top rotor? The one that creates lift? That is unpowered.

Gyrocopters need runways.

>>32223084
because its a singe engine, which no army want. I could literally go on but that alone is a kill.

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>>32223084
Stop, my sides can only take so much stupid.

>>32222762
They are highly popular with anti-poaching units.

>>32223124
>That is unpowered.
Yes. But with pitch controll you can put it in a lift neutral state and use wash from the prop to spin it up. Then once its spinning fast enough, you tilt it to create lift and the momentum of the rotor is enough for you to take off. Its called a jump takeoff. You can find youtube videos of it.

Its not commonly done since its a higher G maneuver and theres really no reason to do it since gyros can take off normally in a very short space anyway, but its possible and applicable to discuss if we are talking about using them for a dragoon force as i am.

>>32223141
From a civilian standpoint for surveying, sure. But for poaching? How do you want to die, the 7.62 in the side, or the horrible wreckage when they crack out your engine?

>>32223212
There is more to anti poaching than shooting at poachers. It's optical surveillance, electronic surveillance, animal tracking, aerial patrol or fence lines, drainage cuts, and roadways.

>>32223084

This technique can only shorten it. They still need a runway.

>>32223229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWjBTROfLMQ

Also, I primarily went to SA to suck a metric fuckton of cock infested nigger cocks.

>>32223212
https://intreesblog.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/flying-in-the-anti-poaching-gyrocopter/

http://www.reserveprotectionagency.com/gyrocopter.html

http://eagleeye.co.zw/gyro-joins-anti-poaching-war/

These are perfect in a place where fixed wing aircraft don't always have the needed runways and a traditional rotor aircraft (even and R22) is too expensive and costly to maintain. They are also easier to train pilots on.

>>32223181
Are you by chance related to a man that has a lot of model gliders in his home?

>>32223084

You don't get it and you won't get it because you're not military-minded.

>>32223224
For surveying, like I said (tracking, patrol). OP wants to fly soldiers, implying you're going into an area where you may get pot shotted. For anything that involves engaging a hostile target, why would you want to be in something that has no armor, and can be easily disabled?

>>32223278
First of all, flying at 1000 feet above ground makes you a pretty hard target for someone trying to shoot upwards and a target that moves in three dimensions. That's a 333 yard shot.

>>32223291

Johnny, were you ever in the service during GWOT?

>>32223278
Also, are you interested in being a part of anti poaching unit in SA?

>>32223309
You meant MGTOW? Yea I subscribe to that

>>32223320
Sorry, I'm not recruiting any kommandos. I have enough people on the ground in SA and will not be bringing any foreigners in country until 2018 at the earliest.

I've finished my APU certification and I'm working on my level 1 FGASA cert from The Wildlife Campus. I just need to to the practical.

>>32223291
1000 ft? Then fuck, why not use a Cobra, Stallion, or any other dedicated rotary that has better firepower and ceilings around 10k?

Take that handle off if youre going to post stuff this stupid.

>>32223342
Sure you do. Only anti poaching you do is keeping plastic rhinos from happy meals neatly organized on your desk

>>32223320
>South Africa
Welp. I guess I know why you post stuff like this then.

>>32223338

I'll take that as a 'no' because Johnny has been a cop for like 15 years.

Johnny, you don't understand actual warfare and know very little of it. Keep the fagcopters where they belong and leave military matters to military people.

>>32223347
Because those are aircraft and require intensive maintenance, training, and special fuel. A gyro is essentially a flying car.

>>32223347
>dedicated rotary that has better firepower
Cost to buy
Cost to operate
Cost to train

It's not like APU work has a pentagon budget. Really, you want to tell us more about stupid shit. Here's how watching me on a flight mission in SA with the SAPS.

https://youtu.be/BSpUlrxQTUg

>>32223365
If you only knew how many poachers I have caught in my copters

>>32223291
>1000ft

>>32223378
any of them shoot at you?

>>32223377
What's the point of this video you insufferable faggot?

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>>32223362
okay then

>>32223365
You only understand big budget industrial military complex warfare and not human intel gathering and effective small unit operations.

I would suggest you read the Rod Beckstrom book "The Starfish And The Spider"

>>32223414
Mainly to annoy you. That was in an R44.

>>32223406
They shoot all the time but I'm highly skilled in air to ground skirmishes. Besides they are all a bunch of dumb niggers

>>32223291
A PKM can hit over ten times that range. Anything more than Militia Mark with his AR-15 presents a real threat.

>>32223438
Ok but what does that video of a helicopter flying prove? We can't even see it's you( not that it matters anyway)

>>32223443
Organized poachers are white and are highly trained and well funded. Subsistence poachers are locals who take mostly plants and reptiles.

>>32223443
You need a license to hunt pavement apes these days???

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>>32223453

>>32223451
a helicopter sized target would still be easy to hit at 300+ meters

I don't know if this is the right venue but I remember not too long ago /k/ was full of johnnystuff and his poaching units in Africa. What happened to that, has anyone from /k/ actually went there or was it all larping?

>>32223377
"Guys, my Honda go-kart helicopter totally works"
Posts as350

During ww2, the Imperial Japanese Army developed a gyrocopter for use in anti submarine warfare and as an artillery spotter. It was to operate from Imperial Japanese Army light carriers or from land.

>>32223423

Oh yeah? I'm a military intelligence guy that's been attached to various unit types, frI'm brigade level on down to company-level in a line unit. If you know what that is.

I know more about intelligence operations than you ever will. You know what we use? Raven B UAS. Other UAS. Constant Hawks. Sometimes we use actual helicopters.

There's literally nothing you can do with your fagcopter that I can't do with a Raven, a second power charge, a Toughbook and a comfy spot.

>>32223461
No you get 30 rands for every niglet, 1000 for a buck and 10,000 for a pregnant nigger sow

>>32223482
>has anyone from /k/ actually went there
Only me. /k/ommandos are more trouble then they're worth. They want 2 hot showers a day, cable TV, and 100meg internet. Oh and they were shocked to find out that a work day is like 12 hours and not 4 hours.

I will have more APU updates coming.

>hey Bill weren't you on the trap team in high school?
>yeah
>grab the 870, let's see how out of practice you are

>>32223459
Of course whites are successful at everything they do

>>32223494
Great, you just told me that you have a pentagon budget and you can't comprehend that other countries and outfits have limited resources, limited technical skill, and very limited supply chains.

You're living up to the oxymoron of military intelligence.

>>32223475
Look, I don't care if you fly around if your civie shit trying to look top gun. Quit flying over my ranch and trying to shoot my dingo, k?

>>32223528
Dingoes are australian animals, and they probably took your baby away.

>>32223502
Eh sounds kinda far fatched. So many kommandos would welcome a good adventure, regardless of the internet and shower situation.

>>32223502
>implying we shower

kek

>cable TV

We have PCs, we don't watch TV anymore.

>100meg internet

That would be damn nice.

>12 hour days

Fuck that, I need my sleep.

>>32223523

No, bud, the thread is about why the military doesn't use them. You tried to justify a reason, I'm telling you why we don't. But drones aren't that expensive, and if your little LARP unit doesn't have at least one, you're behind the times.

But what more could we expect from a guy with such a numale view of life?

>>32223551
And have been imported since 07', but that still doesn't make you any less of an insufferable idiot, mate'

Maybe you should post in /an/ instead?

>>32222762

Post more Gyrocopters.

If the Chinks can stick three men on it, we can stick 1 pilot and 1 drunk bubba with a pilfered M2 up there at 1000 feet.

Redneck militia air forces could do all sorts of horrible things if you had enough one footed Walmart greeters strapped into the back of one of those greasy whores.

>>32223561
And you think every military has an unlimited budget. Hell, most air forces in the world have fewer than two dozen aircraft. Not every place is the first world. Guatemala has one functional jet and it's 50 years old. Namibia has 7 total rotor aircraft.

It's like you've never left the first world.

>>32223475

Hang on, are you the JohnnyIShootStuff that did the youtube video with the swat doc explaining ideal medical gear for ccw? If so, who was that guy and does he have his own info channel?

Also tripfagging is fucking gay, stop

>>32223607
>mate'
Now we know you're a nogunz ausfailian. Stay angry.

I can't hear you over the sound of the full auto
https://youtu.be/WKvt1xQBznQ

>>32223664
>If so, who was that guy and does he have his own info channel?

He does not have his own channel. Sorry. He does teach classes with a group called tac med and they have a site they post lots of info on each week.

>>32223629
Burgerland Army sustainment equivalent of a quarter million each.

3 conscripted peasants for the equivalent of 2.5 ipads.

I guess if you buy PLA soldiers in bulk, it's a better buy, right?

>>32223650

I have left the first world, and I choose to continue living in it for that reason.

This is an American-dominated board. Most of our military posters are, ya guessed it, American. Occasionally we get some perspectives from military folks in other countries, but not as often. Ergo, you're getting why it isn't more popular for the US military.

Zimbabwe might consider themselves blessed if they had more of whatever. I'm not in the military of zimbabwe. And their seven rotary craft would serve them a lot better than if they had fourteen gyrocopters.

I'm not gonna tell you how to save rhinos and jackalopes in South Africa, so you telling me about military affairs is equally laughable.

Third-worlders fighting the same isn't my concern. If I was working for them, I would recommend a gross audit of assets to see about making sure the craft in possession were operational and perhaps acquire another 1-3 to fix up. Or focus on assets that might be easier to bulk up, such as ADA, Armor, anti-armor, dropping heavy, etc.

But that's because I know what to do in those areas. Unlike yourself.

>>32223667
I say "mate" and that makes me Australian?
If I make loud farting noises, would I be fluent in Afrikaan too?

>>32223685

One would assume so.

My thoughts are that if you were to stick the disabled patriots, and I mean so fat you need a rascal to move and an oxygen tank, and just strap them down with home made explosives. That way, if the aircraft is disabled, the extreme weight would pull the airframe straight to the ground, where it would create a very large explosion, destroying the onboard ammunition and M2. The grease fire resulting from the bubba flambe' at the crash site would attract a mess of local wildlife from the smell of crispy neckbeard splattered all over the trees, thus also creating a scent barrier that would completely obliterate the sinuses and vision of any green PLA trooper.

No matter which angle you look at it, strapping overweight three percenter sheepdogs into stolen gyrocopters that have been given the Dawn Of the Dead treatment and packed full of everclear and gasoline can only result in a favorable outcome.

>>32223752
You think the military is just the U.S. military and that's laughable. In many other places the military recruitment is competitive and not a take all approach. Those countries have limited budgets and get creative. Those same militaries are involved in far more border skirmished, rebel uprising conflicts, and supplement domestic policing.

I'm afraid its you who has the blinders on as to the ways of the world and what goes on in the 181 countries that are not the united states. The U.S. is still deploying hardware that was designed in the early 80's for a mission that hasn't and won't happened. The F22 was made for dogfights with migs over central europe. Now we're fighting a determined irregular, underfunded, undertrained, and under-geared force that has to use creativity and unpredictability to replace its shortcomings - and they'er doing a pretty damn good job at it.

Here maybe you'd like to see some budget challenged ingenuity on parade.

https://youtu.be/u0JLAAtHAMU

>>32223755
>mate
>cunt

indicative of an uneducated lower middle class australian vernacular.

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>>32223827
Jesus, no wonder I never see South African comedy shows. You guys are just depressing.

>>32223820
> Now we're fighting a determined irregular, underfunded, undertrained, and under-geared force that has to use creativity and unpredictability to replace its shortcomings - and they'er doing a pretty damn good job at it.

you are or usa is ?
as much as i remember anyone who recently fought usa in irregular manner ate dick in 15 mins and decided that minesweeper is more fun

>>32223853
>vernacular
>Trevor Noah
Mic Drop bitch.

You gave us Crocodile Dundee. Thanks....

>>32223868
Reading the news is considered funny now? Sorry real life is hilarious. But so is your COIN knowledge and thinking calling someone who is shit posting Aussie.

>>32223862
Yeah, ISIS is really eating dick. They sure are. Who controls Mosul today? Yep.... A trillion dollar defense budget and we've rolled over who in that region? All that happened after all that money was destabilization and chaos.

I don't think Marshall,Eisenhower, and MacArthur would putting their seal of approval on the 14 years of fighting in the middle east. After all. It only took 4 years to defeat the Germans, Italians, and Japanese in three different theaters.

>>32223820

What rock have you been living under in the last 15 years? All the US has done is engage against irregular asymetrical warfare with insurgents.

You think they didn't learn anything?

You are confusing the fact that the USA's large conventional warfare budget is running in parallel with their irregular warfare training. They do both, and they do both well.

Ask any nation if they want to fight the US 1 v 1. Go ahead...ask them.

Unfuck your facts.

>>32223896
You are an aussie and it's easy to spot that lower middle class pub language you speak in.

>>32223820

I don't care about what third-world shitholes are doing unless I'm working with them or helping to kill them.

And the mire in the ME is political. If you think we haven't proposed COA after COA that would gain massively, you're wrong.

It's a representation of how America is divided. Do we roll heavy and kill everything, take things and leave? Do we pull out and leave their struggles to them? Or do we leave a certain number of Joes out of false obligation and stalemate the issue, all the while crippling operational capabilities with bureaucracy? Those are the questions, and the current situation is the result of nobody making a decision as to the answer.

And you're gonna harp about having the blinders on to me? You're the guy who made faggy threads where you couldn't understand why /k/omrades would want to leave home, go out to where you are and put themselves on the line, all to basically be an unarmed security guard that stole Smoky The Bear's SOP.

I used to be a big fan of yours, but watching your decline has lead me to realize that you were never thick enough between the ears for it to matter anyways.

Take your fagcopters on another recue, Diego, and leave us.

>>32223906

>confusing political minefields with actual minefields.

You don't understand the limits that are imposed upon the US. If the US went apeshit they'd kill every single living thing in the mideast within a month. And never have to fire a nuke.

Again, unfuck your inferior knowledge.

>>32223914
>Ask any nation if they want to fight the US 1 v 1.
I think China is showing you that answer and Putin seems pretty ready for just that challenge. Then again, you have a squad of irregulars who have, for 14 years, not conceded defeat - and they're going not just one on on with the U.S. but taking the fight with the U.S. getting help from Germany, the U.K., France, and the local inept (U.S. trained) force.

>>32223906
>>2011
>> Iraqi Govt, "burgers git out! Reee"
>>Merica & friends shrugs, gits out, Iraqi got has no way to process Al Qaida POWs, proceeds to get btfo
>> South Africa: Burgers BTFO! Everyone git to my go-kart copter! Fffffffffpppffrrrttt.

You should really stick to taking potshots in the desert rather than talking about aviation, let one foreign policy. But that's just some Koalas opinion.

You gonna take that trip off yet? This ain't reddit.

>>32223947
Russia? Guys so lost 3 Su33s in under a month on that tugboat?
China? Who can't blue water and force project their little sand castles in South China Sea?

Stop. Posting.

>>32222762

1899 telegraphed. They want their velociheliogyro returned pronto, chap.

>>32223931
>I used to be a big fan of yours
Now I know you're full of shit. No one has ever been a fan of me. This has been fun, but I have some FGASA study work to do now - you know, adult stuff.

>>32224055

No bullshit, I was. I thought it was fucking cool until you started in on the solely annoying shit.


>adult stuff

Okay, bud. Sure thing. Nice cop-out, by the way.

>>32224055
Let me help you with the answer to question 9:
Ffffppppprrrrttt.

Next time you decide to shit post take your trip off.

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>>32224096
>namefag
>tripfag
Know the difference. Anyone can be a namefag. Anyone can post as Johnny or Hunter at anytime. Without the trip, it's impossible to authenticate the posts.

>>32224121
Nobody cares about your hard on for alibaba tier helicopters, and I'm seriously worried for South Africa if they got people like you for "search and rescue".

Weren't you supposed to studying or getting some lotion for all the butthurt? Because you were supposed to be fucking off, and I hate liars.

>>32224096
I leave thread, thread dies. johnny = life of the party.

>>32222828
>Dmitrys
mmmmmm

man you could totally throw snakes down on people from a gyrocopter

>>32222762
They're fucking scary Jesus Christ can you imagine falling off of that thing?

>>32223362
Fucking kek

>>32222762
because people have played duck hunt

Individual personal vehicles for the military aren't a good idea. Unless you make them 100% totally impossible to fuck up, then somebody will fuck up. Pilots go through significant training and even a simplified vehicle like a gyrocopter is too much training for some simpletons. It's much more efficient to train a single pilot and launch a single vehicle to carry multiple men at once (and also have the weight/space capacity for carrying other equipment)

>>32222762
been reading modern mechanix ?

>>32225060
I love 4chan.

>>32225468
No, i just woke up this morning and the thought popped into my head "what are the advantages and disadvantages of gyrocopters vs fixed wing"

So i spent about half an hour googling it and then made this thread.

I have no real interest in aircraft at all and was not thinking about this before today and only even knew what a gyrocopter was because i know a little bit about a lot of things.

I quickly found out why they never replaced fixed wing aircraft but their cheapness and simplicity and the comparitive ease of operating them made me wonder why you dont see them in military applications. They seem like great disposable personal transportation for recon since they dont require roads or much in the way of countenance facilities. Sort of a realistic substitute for what jetpacks were supposed to do back when they were being researched. If you look at how the germans used motorcycles it would be something like that i guess.

>>32222762
Because gliders > gyro copter s

>>32223270
This mentality right here is why men like you lose wars

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>>32225552

>>32222909
by using autorotation autogyro can land without a runway
and the take off distances are so short that the surface required hardly measures up to being called a runway

>>32225634
>disposable recon
So we need to send two men and a radio to go look at something instead of, oh, a satellite? Or an unmanned drone at least?

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>>32226003
MH-6 little bird acts a bit like that

>>32226079
Ah, hell nah. Always one step away from becoming hamburger meat

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>>32222762
>The chinese are apparently doing it
Against whom and when?

No one and never.

>>32223084
Maybe as covert insertion but then you need it to carry at least 3. Otherwise you'd need four gyros just to insert a four man team.

>>32223124
>Gyrocopters need runways.
>by runways I mean roughly level grass and dirt

>>32222762
Pretty much this,>>32222783 not to mention that most application for small aircraft like this were replaced with drones

>>32226019
i mean recon infantry like in the tv show :^) Instead of humvees you have gyrocopters, instead of getting lost on roads you fly direct about 5 feet above the ground, over open desert.

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Outta the way fags. Coming through.

>>32226643
Fuck, that's brilliant! Somebody call DARPA! We're making them automated and giving them gliding capabilities!

>>32225956

This attitude right here is why you'll never fight a war.

>>32225956

Will you give me a chance to explain why I said that?

>>32223827
And your misuse of vernacular points to a few flaws in your own schooling.

>>32223919
Says the guy who ends a sentence with a preposition.

Lrn to grammar.

>>32224055
>FGASA

Fag Gives A Shit Anyhow. You know, grown up stuff.

>>32228157
>>32228106
But, each morning I wake up I don't look in the mirror and see a nogunz Ausfailian.

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>>32225552
>Submarine-borne marines