http://www.janes.com/article/65997/ admiral-kuznetsov-loses-

They should have picked the Kirov cruiser one as their flagship and scrap/retire kuznetsov from duty outside of training.

I thought they had given up on flying the aircraft from the carrier and were relegated to using the airbases? I guess they tried again.
This is just sad.

>>32220388

>check 'em

Or they should have skipped sending an Aircraft Carrier altogether and keep flying them from Russia to Iran and Iran to Syria instead, like they have already been doing.

>>32220356
I wonder how many of these treads we will see the next few days. This is the third on here at this very moment. The Vatniks are gonna earn their vodka and potatoes today

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>>32220619
>The Vatniks are gonna earn their vodka and potatoes today

>>32220356
Yeah, one jet crashing into the sea could attributed to a freak accident, but a second in such a short interval screams of shoddy maintenance.

>>32220676
Both were indirectly and directly caused by failure of the arrestor gear on the carrier.

>>32220356
>Iraq and the Levant aren't Asia
You are funny man.

>>32220356
>Russian propaganda move backfires

I love it.

>>32220356

They were experimenting.

>>32222598
Rusty cables snapping?

>>32223575
The first one was.
This one was the pilot missing all cables and not having enough reserve thrust.

>implying this is not intentional to make russia look less threatening so all the anti russia scare tactics the left/neocons try to employ are less effective

>>32223613
So then it was the shit pilot's fault

>>32222624
>Asian rising power
Key word: rising power

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>>32223640
Marketing ploy by Mikoyan actually.

>>32223613
You got it the other way around,
First one was
>no cables available
This one was
>shit cable broke

>>32220356
I wonder how a Chinese navy vs Russian navy fight would go? The nips were/are competent but the Chinks... man the fucking Chinks...

>>32220422

Its Russia's attempt at Gunboat diplomacy. They've been trying to find a way to do this since PtG and have never managed it. They are just not a naval power (in the sense of being able to properly project power through the navy). This will backfire in the long run for Putin as it will cause other CV capable nations to question they're ability to mount valid, powerful strikes at sea from CV based planes. It will force other nations to focus more on ASW since SAM will not be as huge of an issue as they are now.

>>32220356
The Russian version of "Top Gun" would start with cool music and jet's falling right off the flight deck into the sea after take off.

>>32223713

Something similar to WWI. The RU would likely do an offshore blockade and leave CH to make the next move, which is the worst situation a nation can be in. The reality is the CH navy can VERY easily be bottled up in the China sea and all they can do is sail in circles trying to find a hole out of the China Sea (which would be hard to manage against the 2nd largest Sub force on earth. You'll likely get a Jutland style incident (not size, but that it will be accidental) eventually since that's all China would be able to manage due to size and capability of their Blue Water forces.

Does this mean that the SU-33 is on its way out soon?

I'm quite fond of that plane.

>>32223814

The plane is fine. Its the launching/landing platform that's the issue. When launched from a Land Base the SU-33 does great.

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>>32223713
Chinese navy is actually competent. They keep their ships clean and well maintained.

>>32223814
Well they only built 35 of the damn things, so they gonna be running out soon

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>>32223814
CHina carries on the legacy.

They even have a J-15 variant with catapult hooks for their next CATOBAR carrier.

>>32223832
>trusting anything you see on chinese state propaganda channel

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>>32223765
>F-19s, they carry the C-802 missile

>>32223823
Well, that's good to hear.

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>>32223854
Cry propaganda as many times you want. The fact that the Liaoning goes out five time every year without incident and without being towed back speaks volume.

Face it.

Money makes the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5gE_03bT0

Live onboard a Type 052C Destroyer of the PLAN on the way to RIMPAC earlier this year.

That ship is clean as fuck and the crew are professionals.

>>32223731
Is there even any proof that countries other than the US, UK, and France can do any better?

>>32223955
can nations without large carriers operate large carrier better ?


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>32224016
My bad, I thought we were taking about Italy and Brazil and China and shit.

>>32222624

It was a Tsushima reference you dumbfuck

>>32223921
>all those quick cuts

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY IS THIS ALLOWED

>>32223955
>>32224031
Wow, I just went to double check which countries have carriers and apparently the British no longer have an active duty carrier or an active duty carrier-capable fixed wing aircraft.

Only the US and France can into carriers then, I guess?

>>32224115

they have a carrier that will be ready May next year

too bad Lockheed deliver the 35B until 2018 to 2020

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>>32223872
On the flip side, deploying only 5 times a year means there's not much need for maintenance.

>>32224209
They've got a carrier that isn't ready yet that's designed to launch planes that won't ship for 5+ years. Even Japan is ahead of them, and Japan doesn't even have a carrier.

>>32224213
As opposed to Kuz sitting half its time in """maintainence""" and tied rusting to a
pier?

>>32223832
lmao, they lost +70 sailors in their subs, because they forgot to turn off the engine and they ran out of oxygen.

>>32223921

Gosh, who would have thought the ship that was allowed to be filmed was gonna be some kind of model of cleanliness and efficiency.

I'm not saying the rest are some kind of shitshow but don't be so damn credulous

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>>32223832
Christ, we had a beached ferry as a training vessel at my school that had a cleaner e/r

>Landing mishap on a carrier
Aren't burgers the king of this sort of thing?

How is this surprising news? Or even abnormal

Why even spend money on carriers if you're not going to intimidate/attack drastically weaker nations?
Think about it. In conventional warfare, carriers are a fucking liability. Unless you have 100% air-tight defenses, one well-placed/timed anti-ship missile or torpedo and it's all ogre.

10% of the carrier wing lost in 10 days. And they still plan to stay for 3 more months.

>>32223613
Maybe if there wasn't a fucking ramp at the end of the runway he wouldn't have lost speed and could have taken off again.

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>>32227080
Maybe you should look at a picture of the damn thing before trying to meme?

>>32223688
>Mikoyan
Wut

>>32227332
New paint is the closest thing to real maintenance it will ever see.

>>32227592
That photo is after the 2009/10 refit/refurbishment, it was fairly substantial. More than a coat of paint.

>>32227666
And it still doesn't work.

>>32227592
The point I was trying to make was that the ramp-area and the landing area are on two completely different vectors.

>>32227695
Because carriers need maintenance more than once a decade.

>>32227753
When your carrier cannot leave port without a tug then its only logical that one should try and fix the problem, it doesn't matter if its been a decade since it was last brought in, the problem needs to be addressed.

Liaoning is of the same class yet it works. Kuznetsov is a rusted shit bucket thats been neglected for nearly two decades.

>>32227806
You are rambling. The fact that it is smoky today and the arrester gear doesn't work very well has nothing to do with a refit six years ago.

>>32224213
>only 5 times a year

Russian Masviroski

They show you stuff you want to see then when you do not anticipate it, they strike. California might be Crimeafornia.

>>32227878
Doesn't have anything to do with the refit. I am just stating the decrepit state of the carrier and the fact that it hasn't ever been in proper working order.

The smoke is indicative of trouble with the engine that has gone unresolved for over a decade, Liaoning uses the same engines and doesn't produce a death cloud and is able to sortie many times a year. They're wasting what little money they have on refitting a ship that barely works.

>>32228044
>America Beware!
>Top 5 Russian tugs that Americans should fear!

>>32228074
The way that the LCS and Zumwalt gets fucked up around tugs, I'd imagine russian tugs would be on the top of their treat list, way above the soviet navy

>>32228071
>The smoke is indicative of trouble with the engine that has gone unresolved for over a decade
More on the quality of fuel they use.
>and is able to sortie many times a year
For how long each time, and how far does it deploy? Kuznetsov sails around in the White sea often as well, and usually sails to the med during the winter.

>>32228279
Kuznetsov is the only ship in the fleet that smokes that bad (its escorts presumably use the same fuel but don't smoke half as bad), well if you discount the ships made in the earlier 70's (which reflects poorly on kuznetsov anyways). Kuznetsov does not usually travel outside of the north sea, and it never travels without a tug.

Its a floating joke.

>>32228279
Most ships that size that have diesel engines use shit quality bunker fuel, and very rarely will smoke like the Kuznetsov.

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>>32223832

The Chink boiler room was probably newly built, never used and polished around the clock. But the Russian one? Holy shit. What in the blueberry flavored hell went on there?

> post yfw the Kuznetsov turns out to be a giant Decepticon that swills a giant vodka bottle and passes out on a Lebanese beach.

>>32223872
>five time every year

Those must be some crazy short tours.

>>32223921
I china EVERYTHING is about image. The question is what do things look like when there are no cameras or high level admirals around.

>>32224115
being beaten by the FRENCH in navy capability must hurt for the English.

I always thought operating aircraft from a carrier was very dangerous. I've seen lots of youtube videos of shit going wrong on American flight decks. how many aircraft does the average American carrier lose?

>>32228351
The Chinese one sat in Ukraine for a decade decaying slowly, I'm surprised it looks as good as it does. Also leaves port more often than its Russian counterpart.

>>32226334
And America Lost 129 in the Thresher, and Russia 118 in the Kursk. every nation has maritime accidents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTlGu7iC-70

>>32228400

Considering how many submarines the USN operates, and how active they are, I'm actually quite impressed at how few accidents they have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarine_incidents_since_2000

>>32229510
Its because Admiral Rickover had diagnosed autism.

>>32228377
between 1 and 0

>>32220356
https://youtu.be/4ShACteRduY

To be fair, that ships is being used for something it was never designed for. It's more aircraft carrying cruiser designed to escort and cover other vessels rather than an instrument of power projection.

>>32229525
>the arrestor gear can sense once it is outside of a bastion

>>32229525
It's not even carrying any missiles anymore and they plan to remove the launchers in the next refit.

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>>32220356
>https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-05/putin-shows-off-russia-s-embarrassing-aircraft-carrier
>Putin Shows Off Russia's Embarrassing Aircraft Carrier
It seems like Bloomberg news shares my passion for enraging Vatniks on the internet

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>>32229525
The "Aircraft carrying cruiser" was always a sham.

Aircraft Carriers aren't allowed to pass through the Bosphorus straights according to the Montreux conventions.

So they slapped some ASHMs on it to take advantage of the legal loophole.

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>>32220422
>>32220388

>>32229656

>tfw the USN never thought to build sub-15000t runway barges

>>32229656

I'm sure that fact was little comfort to the Soviet Pacific Fleet when they got Minsk instead of an actual carrier

>>32227080
I don't think you understand how angled decks work. Hint- the Americans also have them and they use cats.

>>32227577
Mikoyan Gurevich
MiG

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>>32229646
It was a dreary and grey day on the Black Sea. Kuznetsov was puffing along the coast line with his two slutty tug boats, Anna and Klara. The Thin Putin was waiting for him. "Da, ser," said Kuznetsov, "What is it, ser?" "Your doing well on your coast line, but our Syrian buttboys do need help," explained the Thin Putin.

"You're right, ser," said Kuznetsov, "But what can we do?" "We can't build another carrier in Ukraine," explained the Thin Putin, "But I may have someone who could help." "Da, Ser," said Kuznetsov. A few days later, Kuznetsov saw another carrier who looked very familiar. "What?!" exclaimed Kuznetsov.

The carrier was yellow, with gleaming engines, with better fighter jets, and with better sailors. "It's my old sister, the former Varyag, who underwent a gender change and became Liaoning" he exclaimed. "Ching chong ning nong?" asked the yellow carrier, "is that you?" "Yes," said Kuznetsov. Soon they were chatting like old friends, and they really are friends.

>>32228071
>Liaoning uses the same engines
Not really. The Chinese bought a near inoperable hulk, and had to extensively refit it- the engines are at the very least deeply refurbished if not outright replaced. Considering how the TDP was a major part of the deal for the carrier, I wouldn't be surprised if they bought if for the TDP and to have a training ship while the engineers learned what they could.

>>32228350
Diesels don't burn bunker C. It'd clog up the fuel systems in a blink. One of the main advantages of steam plants is that you can burn near anything and it'll work.
You could probably use the shit the Kuz is burning to coat roads.

>>32228378
>The Chinese one sat in Ukraine for a decade decaying slowly
The Chinese practically rebuilt it, not surprising it's so shiny. If the Russians rebuilt the Kuz it'd be shiny too (until the alcohol discolored the steel)

China, known for not only blatantly ripping off peoples work, but also having cities engulfed in smog, saw all the smoke pouring from their 2nd hand carrier and thought " we need to fix this "

Russia thought " When smoke is behind you, you cannot be of breathings it in comrade "

>>32229721
I would buy this book.