Admiral Kuznetsov is a gift that keep on giving. https://th

>>32217919
>>32217919
As a proud vatnik, I defended the Kuz team for MiG-29K earlier, but this is just embarrassing. I think the captain locked himself in his cabin and drinking vodka nonstop, and deckhands think about their future profession as civilians.

>>32217972
This information is not confirmed, so
I wouldn't fully believe it.

But when underfunded, neglected and understaffed Naval branch wants to take a part in Kebab smashing 2016 everything can happen.

Other sources state that aircraft from Kuznetsov are now land based.

http://www.janes.com/article/65775/russian-carrier-jets-flying-from-syria-not-kuznetsov
Note: this info predates the supposed Su-33 crash.

>>32217994
The Russian MoD already confirmed it you tard

>>32217919
Vatnik """""""""engineering"""""""""

>>32217919

It was experimental equipment including the SU-33.

>>32218109
When I was wiring it it wasn't confirmed yet.

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>>32218117

>>32218115
>engineering
I think they still used Soviet-made arresting gear cables.

>>32218117
>The last Su-33 was buil in 1998
>experimental
Kek

>>32217919
God Damnit, Russia!

Just do what literally everyone else does - practice, practice, practice on land before you even think of allowing anyone to try it on the carrier, and then when you DO let them, you make them practice even more before you commit the vessel to any operations.

There's nothing wrong with practicing and teaching people to use equipment that hasn't been used much!

>>32217919
It will not be true that the Su-33 is lost in a crash.

More likely that top officials have transferred the vehicle to a secret base of operations for covert ops, but need to explain the absence of the jet and its pilot (same with the MiG-29K).

Kuznetsov maybe old, but the crew and pilots are trained to a better standard than all of the other world's navy members.

>>32218494
This.

There is so much that can go wrong with aircraft carrier.

Hell, even US Navy almost lost an E-2C because sailor used a wrong size of the orifice in an arresting hydraulic assembly.

>>32218498
Is it bad that I legitimately can't tell satire from actual vatniks anymore?

>>32218518
Nah.

We really need this:
>⸮

>>32218518
Poe's law. It's only really bad when it starts to apply in real life situations.

Holy shit even the Chink ops hasn't fucked up this bad.

>>32218547
In fairness they haven't tried to deploy either.

>>32218547
Chinks are good at one thing: repetitive training. Just like Imperial Japs. They practice until they get good through sheer grinding. Russians just down vodka and pray to Lenin.

>>32218573

which is kinda what you need when you do naval aviation.

>>32218494
>Just do what literally everyone else does
They literally have the economy less robust than Brazil. They're simply too poor to ever be anything but a regional land based power.

>>32218498
>we were merely pretending

No, no they weren't. Operator error is to blame. Accidents happen, especially at sea. No need to start pulling excuses at of your ass.

And this was a newly installed arresting cable right after the MiG29K

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>>32217919
Can F-35s actually do vertical take-off?

Could you put one on a container ship and sail up next to a warship?

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>>32218498
Fat lady = Russian Navy

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You fucking Vatniks, I defended your rusting heaps of shit nearly all year, yet you do nothing but embarrass. And I don't even get paid to shill.

Fuck you, retarded Slav niggers.

>>32218498
The russian navy have the bravest crews because they have the deadliest vessels in the world. Their nuclear submarines go deeper and more often than the us. They have 0 nuclear aircraft carrier casualties.

>>32218698
The B can, but just like with any other STOVL model that launch profile restricts payload and burns a lot more fuel.

>>32218709
>deadliest vessels in the world.
To those manning them, sure.

>>32217972

If Lock On and DCS has any accuracy, you can barely get off the Kuz with a minimal A2G load (of dumb bombs and rockets)

Simulations tend to overestimate the abilities of what they're simulating

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>>32218698
>Could you put one on a container ship
Yes.
>and sail up next to a warship?
No. If you have any hope that Russians will not blow you to smithereens on even the vaguest hint of a smidge of a fledling inclination to suspecting that you might be up to shenanigans, let me dash them right now. They'll spend more time wondering whether to wipe their ass with the Business or the Sports section than whether or not to launch a missile at you.

>>32218748
Neat, sail into an area they have already passed and use STOVL.

>>32218168
And here I thought the Soviets were good at making arrests.

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>>32218748
And at that point you have the JASSM, SDBs, and a variety of sea-launched missiles and sub-launched weapons to choose from instead of trying a pop-up attack from inside point defense gun rage.

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>>32218758

>>32218755

Container ship decks won't stand up to F-35B thrust. There have been enough issues as it is with runways and amphibious ships needing heat resistant layers to operate them.

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>>32218810
>point defense gun rage.
Also this, and picture very much related.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

How much do SU-33s cost anyway? Those are suppose to be their best carrier fighters.

>>32218820
You sound like you expect that container ship to be used for anything but an artificial reef afterwards.

>>32218730
That's the joke.

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>>32218843
Kek i think it's cost more than the Kuznetsov itself for sure

>>32218698
Not vertical takeoff. SHORT takeoff, vertical landing. STOVL

>>32218943
kek

>>32218820

The way I've had it explained to me, is that it isn't the heat that causes the problem, but the weight of the aircraft and engine damages the structure of the deck.

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>>32218820

reminds me of the Bong F4K Phantom

they had to fit more powerful afterburning RR Spey engines and jack up the suspension to let it take off from small british carriers which meant that on launch the aircraft had two engines on full afterburner pointing 45 degrees down and blowtorching the deck

they reinforced the area of deck behind the catapult with extra steel plate to tank the heat then sprayed the area with a fire hose after every cat launch

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Well this have turned out to be a crappy year..

First the russians have showed how fucking pathetic their air wing really is, only running on low supplies of travel vodka. They cant even land their shit, and gets blown out of the skies by kebabs.

Then fucking Trump gets elected, which means probably no more tension over sandnigger countries with Ruskis.

FUCKING damn it, Hornet ball 2017 could have been so epic!

>That one desperate vatnik trying to derail the thread with asinine scenario including F35

>>32218494
Practice isn't free. If they had the money for that level of training activity they wouldn't be a joke navy in the first place.

>>32219379
Also if it is true that a wire snapped, there isn't alot more to do for the pilot than to eject.

>>32219221
Looks like he's trying to piss of China instead, so we can always hope for some epic Hornet vs Flanker action

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>>32219451
I forgot about china! My dick just started twitching with excitement :DD

I seriously doubt anything will happen, but that WHOULD be awsome! Those yellow niggers needs to be checkd.

>>32219552

China is a much better fight anyway, as you don't need to worry about any messy land based combat. All naval and air warfare goodness.

>>32219815
How much ordinance do you need to sink a man-made island anyway?
>in before "muh secret tsunami weapon"

>>32218745
Su-33 in DCS is still on a really old flight model that isn't very detailed.

>>32219832
>How much ordinance do you need to sink a man-made island anyway?
You don't need to sink it. Just flatten it with Tomahawk spam and claim the airfield for yourself.

>>32219927

What stops them from arming these with nuclear anti-ship missiles?

>>32219957

If they did that, the USA would bring back nuclear tipped cruise missiles.

>>32219957
The desire to not become glass along with the rest of the world.

>>32218498
>oi lads ive got a brilliant idea
>wot is it vlad
>lets take one mig-29k and one su-33 from our protected carrier fleet right and then right fly it to our soopersekret speshul ops base right
>great idea vlad! this will add so much capability to our forces in Syria! It's not as if we have several air bases either inside Syria itself or in range of Syrian targets, or that we have helicopters based next to combat zones! Taking valuable carrier aircraft and flying them to a strip of dirt in the desert is just what we need to do!
>and the best part is right that we hide it right by pretending it crashed lol
>Vlad you're a genius, triple vodka for you tovarish

>>32219985

What's wrong with that?

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>>32219552

freedom of navigation carrier patrols near china's DIY islands could get entertaining

>this is chinese navy american carrier please reave *meow*
>PLAAF scrambles jets and tries to attack Gulf of Sidra style
>get splashed by Hornets
>eternal chicom butthurt and whataboutism
>american carrier group laughs all the way back to Okinawa

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>>32219981

>bring back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ShACteRduY

>>32219221
There's still hope with James Mattis though. Maybe he can convince Trump to bomb Moscow with B-2s. Then Russia can fall apart into smaller countries who hate each other. Imagine the Moscovites trying to remove kebab in Chechnya.

Then we'd get flooded with hot chicks and squatting refugees in my country. It would be a better choice than these ugly albanian chicks. Fucking crooked noses.

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>>32218498

>>32218483
Everything built in Russia is experimental in the sense that you never know how much vodka the guy who secured the bolts drank.

>>32220155
Every flight is a stress test. For the airframe and the pilot.

Could we nuke Europe?

>>32219957
The fact that we have SSBNs in the western Pacific, mostly.

>>32220056
USS Nimitz and USS John C. Stennis left Bremerton a little while ago so they could be on their way over there now.

>>32218498
Russians:
>"You see, Ivan, we put plane on secret mission by saying that plane crash. Then Amerikanski no know where plane is. Is brilliant."
>"But Sergei, what explain when plane come back from mission?"
>"Is not important. Plan is brilliant"
>"What explains to pilot's family when pilot come back alive?"
>"IS NOT IMPORTANT. PLAN IS BRILLIANT. CYKA BLYAT."

Everyone Else:
>"We're reassigning this plane to a secret mission. Brief the pilot and his chain of command on the details."
>"What do we tell his family?"
>"Nothing. They don't need to know what he's been doing on his deployment."
>"Roger"

>>32217919

isn't landing on a carrier insanely difficult at the best of times though?

>>32220463
Pretty much. But the difference is that American Navy pilots can actually get enough pre-deployment training and constant flights while at sea to be good at it.

>>32218547
>Chinks
>good at anything

https://news.usni.org/2014/09/05/two-pla-pilots-died-testing-planes-chinese-carrier

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1995729/fatal-crash-chinese-j-15-carrier-jet-puts-question-mark

This is just what has crashed into the carrier, not counting other losses they've had. China is a paper tiger.

>>32220166
and anyone near its flight path

I really do not think the Admrial Kuznetsov has much life left in her. At least operationally.
She can still be a training ship, but if Russia wants to continue carrier ops they need to start saving for a new ship.

>>32220106
How did I not remember this before seeing the post?