Why does /k/ shit on the Beretta 92? Is it really that shit despite

>>32206148
I don't think it's shit on here all that much lad

>>32206148

Its /k/ approved.

A lot of soldiers in the US military think they suck because they got issued ones that have been abused and poorly maintained for 20 years.

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>>32206148
Even for a full-sized handgun it's pretty bulky, but other than that it's great. Most of the complaints you hear come from earlier guns. Like when the slide could fly off the gun and smack you in the face and the ones currently U.S. service are in really bad shape, not to mention we copped out on beretta made magazines and used shitty aftermarket ones for military use

pic related is an example of what some issue 92s look like

>>32206148
I just picked up a surplus italian police 92S, and the manufacturing quality is astounding.

The tolerances on all the pieces is great. No wiggling whatsoever. The slide is so smooth and it has a very satisfying chnngg resonance when you rack it.

Shoots beautifully too.

It is bulky, but I kind of like that, as I have big hands.

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>>32206148
Pretty sure every other person here drools over the Wilson Combat Brigadier

It's certainly a better combat pistol than the ol' 1911

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>>32206247
Jesus how old is that one?

Posting mine.

>>32206148
every marine ive talked to hates m9s
the military rejected the m92a3
probably will go with a striker polymer gun

>>32207019
Marines hate everything. If you took one on a trip to titty island where beer flowed out of every spout they'd still have something to bitch about.

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>>32207019
People in the military are like that one cousin you had growing up that would always break shit. Now imagine that kid going in the military and 20 years of fucking people like him beating on something how good do you expect it to run? Also remember that the M1911s that were in service in the 1980s were in the same rough and torn up condition. The 92A3 was rejected for political reasons more than functionality ones.

>>32206247
>Even for a full-sized handgun it's pretty bulky

I let my brothers gf who btw is a little 5'8 blonde girl hold it and she liked the way it felt in comparison to her brothers Ruger SR9. Basically what I am getting at with this is the only people who say the M9/92FS is too big are people trying to CC or those with comically tiny hands.

A lot of them are meme posts, fudds that don't use 9mm.

The M9 in my unit's armory have rusted over many times, been scrubbed off with nothing but wet wipes and fucking CLP but shoot straight to this day.

M9s not M9A1s. Beat to shit and back. Rusted over. Shooting straight.

Fuck off noguns, they're fine pistols.

>>32206247
>>32207090

Funny thing is, I actually think the grip isn't big enough, but that's because my palms are fairly large.

It's too big to conceal carry (inb4 some fatass fedora in a cold climate comes in and goes MUH)

and its a nice pistol otherwise if you dont mind
>lol9mm

but everyone here has a hard dick for plastic 9's. Tasteless losers. The 92fs has everything going for it but the caliber.

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>>32207132
Are you Hickok45?

One of the best designs there is, sexy as fuck, and reliable.

the meme stems from mil fags who used a old worn out beat to shit equipment and based the opinion of that onto the design, never trust what a mil fag or cop says, their opinions are inflated and useless.

regardless, probably the smoothest actions their is on a handgun.

>>32206978
A somewhat recent one seeing how it is a 92FS.

Is it possible to somehow change a 92 into using .357 sig?

>>32207175
>never trust what a mil fag or cop says

What about if he's giving me cleaning advice?

>First day owning muh Beretta
>Vet cousin stops by
>Show him
>He has frame and slide/barrel separated before I know it
>"These get dirty here, here and here, and they really like to have lube here."
>I am stunned for a couple seconds

>>32207215
https://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=Beretta

>>32206148
The answer is in within the first 50 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glXg6erRgtA

I have owned an M9 for years. It is one of only a few pistols I have ever owned that feels like sex to manipulate and shoot. And I am no poorfag.

Zero malfunctions or issues with it, also.

Every military gun is going to be shit on, because more than half the people using it entered the military as nogunz fucking faggot retards and also the guns are usually decades old and beat to shit and poorly maintained. So it is literally a certainty that people will shit on military guns. If the Glock 17 were the military sidearm, you would literally have people shitting on it.

>>32206148
>Heavy and bulky for a 9mm handgun
>Magazines are a bit screwy
>no rails underneath or on top for accessories
>no barrel threading
>Trigger pull is heavy
>safety should have been put in a better spot
And my biggest complaint
>The open slide

Despite that, It's not -bad-, it's just taken a back seat to more modern 9mm handguns

>>32206912

I would definitely add one of these to my collection. The only problem I have with stock 92s is their low inherent accuracy. Anything that big and heavy, for my purposes, is just going to be a range toy/target gun.

>>32207215
You could probably try to modify a 96 Brigadier

>>32207773
>Heavy and bulky
If you're used to polymer guns, or just weak. Bulky, maybe, but not really.
>Magazines are a bit screwy
In what way?
>No rails
Solved by the A1, A2, or A3
>Trigger pull is heavy
In DA, but that's DA, otherwise no, just straight up no
>safety location
That's like your opinion man, I and many others like the placement
>open slide
From an aesthetic standpoint, maybe, but I think it's sexy as fuck. Other than that you're high as a kite.

It has in no way taken a "backseat" to more "modern" 9mm as most of the 9mm out there aren't much newer. So in summation, you are fucking wrong.

>>32207185
This

If it's good enough for John McClane it's good enough for me. Why in the world would someone take a beautiful gun like the Beretta 92FS and put it on a pile of rocks?

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>>32206912
Wilson master race.

>>32206183
This.

>>32207228
Then you tank him for his cervix

>>32206148
Because Glock fanboys will shit on anything that isn't striker fired and even then shit on anything that isn't a glock.

Striker-fired handguns are a meme.

>>32206148
Hell no. It's a great fucking gun. Accurate as hell, easy to shoot, reliable, great for new shooters. The only downside is it's size, and honestly I think it's 100 dollars more expensive than it needs to be (blame 90s action movies for that)

The reason they get a bad reputation is that the ones soldiers have been issued are old as fucked, have been beat to shit (people use them to hammer in tent pegs, hit camel spiders, pry open crates of opium etc.) and abused. If you are a civilian and treat it like you would any gun you own, it will last you a lifetime.

I don't even own one and I love them.

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Same reason people on /k/ shit on anything: it's too expensive for them and they have no experience with it. Berettas are perfectly fine guns if you can get around the bulbous grip or if you can manage to snag one with a Vertec grip.

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>>32207773

>>32210534
Perfectly fine 4u desu. I hate the external rod, the triggers are all sorts of wrong. External barrel is weird, I hate how hard the DA is. The snap is fucking out of nowhere and takes long. I can't hold it properly due to weird size and weird weight. The sites are piss poor too.

Tbh its military as fuck and I hate the thing. I don't get why they don't just leave all the barrels threaded with that little extra bit at the end. I don't like the disassembly and I don't like the slide safety.


Shit gun desu.

>>32206148
simpler is better so its hard to beat a glock. beretta 92 is a great handgun but has some key design flaws like the slide safety

>>32211410
all of those are outdated
a glock 17 is 710g

>owning a gun that comes engraved from the factory with "READ MANUAL"

>>32211482
Ruger does that to their guns and no one complains.

>>32211475
So its still not heavy its average for a metal framed handgun.

>>32211489
Define no one

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I really want a standard Vertec M9 without having to buy an A3.

How hard is it for Beretta to make just pic?
>rail
>g conversion
>vertec grip

>>32211547
Well, I guess I personally haven't heard anyone complain about it. Your mileage may very.

Considering people r talking about beretta here. What does the word pietro on the slide mean?

>>32211489
I don't like how Ruger does that.

Fuck your opinion, 3bh

>>32211410
>implying I shilled for anything on that list

>>32207090
>5'8"
>little
Literally just kill me
t. 5'6" manlet

>>32206309
Say what you want about Italians, but when it comes to food, guns, and cars they know their shit and don't fuck around.

>>32211489
I fucking hate that. Fuck off.

>>32211446
>I can't hold it properly

Tripfags in charge of not having baby manlet hands

>>32211410
Wow, so my 226 isn't as heavy as people claim it to be.
>muh 1911
>muh CZ-75
>muh Browning
jesus christ, what a bunch of bricks.

>>32211547
Everyone that isn't you apparently. Does it affect the function of the gun? Not that I'm aware. Does it make it not seem operator when you want to hang it on your wall? Sure, but why?

>>32211755
>but why?

The majority of /k/ never actually shoots and bases the merits on a gun from how it looks rather than how it actually performs. Hence the love for mudtests here instead of actual track records of real world use.

>>32211755
it annoys me. i dont like the company treating me like im too stupid to own the gun, so i wont support them.

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>>32207215
No

You CAN do it, but the frame will be trashed after 5k rounds or so. This is with a slanted frame, so maybe 3k with a straight frame.

The 90 series is best in 9mm. They were not designed for 40, let alone .357Sig. Even the 96A1 isn't really a great pistol.

>>32211842
Congrats, don't buy them? Is it that hard?

>>32208219
> low inherit accuracy
> Beretta 92

Pick one.

good enough for revy good enough for anybody desu

I suppose this is related; I've been thinking about what handgun I should get first (Canadafag, still waiting for RPAL), and there's a Girsan Regard for $565 at a store near me. It looked to be in pretty good shape, and I've heard they bought Beretta's tooling to make them, but I figured I'd ask: does anyone know whether they were actually good or not?

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So I got a 92S recently, and it appears the sights are not adjusted properly. Firing at a target at 25 yards (which I can easily nail the center of with any other gun) just has the Beretta's shots outright missing the target entirely. How do I go about adjusting the sights without having to spend $100+ on the adjustment tool?

>>32212070
you spend $50 on the sight adjustment tool made by some machineship anon on ebay

although chances are 100% the sights are fine and its your shooting skills or ammo

>>32212096

>although chances are 100% the sights are fine and its your shooting skills or ammo

That's definitely a possibility. This is my first handgun, so I'm probably just fucking it up somehow.

>>32212142
How are you holding the sights on the target? Different brands have different poi compared to poa some like it right on the sights some one the dot in the sights and some a bit above the sights.

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>>32212096
>he doesn't own an MGW Sight Pro

>>32212161

It's a 92S, so it has no dots on the sights, and they're somewhat smaller than the other 92 Berettas (FS, etc). The way I was attempting to aim was lining up the sights to be level with eachother (place front sight over target, line up rear sights to so front sight is leveled and centered between rear sights).

A bit of research suggests it may be due to how I'm pulling the trigger incorrectly (thus jerking the gun) or that my wrist is too limp when firing.

So your firing up and to the right?

The 92 is /k/ approved

We hate the m9

/raises hand

Looking at one of those Italian 92FS police trade-ins. Never handled one. Can you swap out the sights for aftermarket ones, or are they fixed? If so, are the stock sights decent?

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>>32211446
The DA really isn't that bad, the trigger is great, the extended barrel is useful, the external rod is fine, the break is in the same place every time, and the size and weight are incredibly normal, if not low for a steel framed 9mm handgun of such an age. The M9A3's vertec grip makes the gun feel more like a 1911 than an M9 which is amazing.

It's a perfectly fine gun, you're just not a perfectly fine human being :^)

>>32211573
I've got a buddy with a 92 Vertec Inox and it's alright. Why would you not want to buy an M9A3 though? They're great.

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>>32206148
it's THE shit

>>32212070
>terrifying childhood memories

Remove hiss

>>32211501
It's a fatbody for an aluminum-framed handgun.

It's middle of the pack when you throw in all the steel-framed guns.

The open slide saves a lot of weight, which is cool I guess. However, when compared to a loaded [literally anything else on that page] the differences become very minimal.

Also, people bitch about how heavy all those other guns too, and "X is heavy/yeah but Y is heavier" arguments dont make X any lighter.

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>tfw my M9's been more reliable than my g19

>>32206148
I like mine. Spent 7 years in the military, 3 years on my states Nat'l guard marksmanship team. Had to shoot with the M9 a lot, and just got used to it. Not a fan of the trigger, but it's a good, solid gun

>>32212555
>tfw i recognize blank keyboard guy just by the lighting

>>32206247
>M9 Battle-Scarred

>>32212470
I cant find a list of aluminum framed full sized guns do you have one?

>>32212583
hehe

>>32206183
/thread

>>32206247
>slide flying off
I read up on that a while ago and turns out it "happened" exactly once (or so the army claimed). Beretta couldn't reproduce the problem but they beefed up the slide stop any way and fixed it.

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My 92fs
The grips are black/gray, the lighting isn't great.

>>32211962
This
> their accuracy test is a 2" group at 50 yards out of a vice

>>32212672
A 4 moa handgun that might beat my ak.

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>>32206939

>>32212387
>Why would you not want to buy an M9A3 though?

No doubt they're great but I really don't want to spend the extra money for the tritiums, finish or threaded barrel. They're well worth the money but those features I could do without

I have an Italian 92fs that I use to carry at work, I'm an RSO at a range. I broke the right side plastic ambi safety, what would you guys recommend to replace? I'd prefer to keep the ambi control if I can.

>>32212259
Front sight is fixed on the slide, but rear sight can be replaced.

Brigidiers, Vertecs, 92A1, etc. have dovetailed front sights.

>>32211475
The difference of 200 grams equates to a difference less than a half a fucking pound.

.44 pounds difference.

That's it.

Literally fucking it, for a full size aluminum frame pistol that is half an inch longer in barrel and slide length.

If you have issues with a Beretta 92fs' weight, you also probably have issues shooting an AR that isn't under 4 pounds.

>>32211446
>External rod
Mechanically means nothing

>Trigger
Is fine for DA/SA, which is better than a Glock on sheer principal of design.

>External Barrel
Keeps the barrel cool, extends life, lightens the slide for a faster cyclic rate

>UR DA HURTS MAH FINGERS
So fucking what? Keep one in the chamber and keep in in SA you pussy

>The snap
Which makes no sense because the Falling Lock Block design is hailed by many 3 Gun shooters to be suprisingly smooth for a slide so fucking light

>FUNEH SIZE
Manlet hands

>Disasembly
Literally no fucking different compared to any other non striker fired handgun. Pull back, switch leaver, pull off slide

>Slide safety
>I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCIDENTALLY ENGAGE THE SAFETY WHILE USING A 2 HAND GRIP

Shit Trip desu

>>32211475
The point is actually that anyone who complains about any gun that weighs roughly one kilogram is a limpdicked bitch.

>>32212839
you can switch the mag release yo

I heard the frame on the A1 was redesigned somehow which is why it can't accommodate slides from older versions. Does it do something to reinforce the locking block or reduce wear on it?

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>>32211573
>how hard is it for Beretta to...
Thats literally called the Vertec G and it's currently available. There is also the Elite IA ,goddamn son how hard is it for you to Google shit.

>>32211737
Now look at all the alloy versions of those guns. For more fun, luck at the weight if CCF Glocks

>>32213733
Where's muh Vertec Brigadier?

>>32206247
you do realize that happened due to stupidly over pressured ammo (ammo with higher pressures than SMG ammo)

that ammo, also happened to crack the frame of a Sig P226

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>>32208219
>inherently low accuracy
>beretta 92

>>32207175
it varies from mil fag and cop fag

good friend of mine is a tanker and he loved his M9, owns several Berettas today

>>32211489
M9 doesn't have that

>>32211573
they did make pic related, just unobtanium

>>32206183
/k/ is a bunch of no-guns queerbait.
92 fires the inadequate 9mm, of course it's shit.

>>32212555
thats bullshit
t. shooter of both

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>>32215148
I also have both, my 92fs has never jammed, and neither has my g19, except that one time I tried to feed it RIP ammo (which i got for free)

Really makes you think..

>>32212259
Kill yourself, but not with the gun

>>32212715
For 9mm out of a 4.5" barrel, one could do a lot worse

>>32211489
As much as I love Ruger and as big as a fanboy I am, if I could choose, I would get my wheelgun without that text on it.

>>32214929
Maybe he was in the army and used an old worn out one that's been shot for longer than he's been alive.

>>32212387
>Why would you not want to buy an M9A3 though?
I detest the sand coloring.

It's REALLY not good looking to me.

If it was black/tungsten it'd be awesome, or if it was at the least OD/black in a two-tone, I could deal with it.

>>32211410
I just like the fact that I can actually pistol whip people with my Jericho.

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>>32206148
Because some /k/omrades like to shit on everything. If you like the 92, rent/borrow one and see if it fits and then make your own mind up.

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>>32212759
I guess they're not useful features for everyone, but I damn sure enjoy every little extra it's got.

>>32215659
I do really wish it came in a color other than sand, but the sand doesn't bother me as much as it used to.

>>32216303

I wish they made those without the stupid tan finish. I have no desire to pretend I'm on deployment in Iraq.

>>32216303
I wish that it came with a Brigadier slide.

>>32207090
This. My M16 I was issued in Basic had such a wobble and the rifling was pretty much worn to hell. At first I thought M16 were shit until firing a newer one. Same thing with the M9. Shooting one in the military is one beat to shit that isn't taken care of is worlds different than one that is maintained properly by someone not retarded.

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>>32216342

You could get pic related and put some thin grips on it.

>>32207773
>>Heavy and bulky for a 9mm handgun
It's a combat pistol,and it isn't even heavy for one of those
>>Magazines are a bit screwy
No?
>>no rails underneath or on top for accessories
A1-3s have them
>>no barrel threading
>>Trigger pull is heavy
Maybe in double action but no it isn't normally
>>safety should have been put in a better spot
This is true
>And my biggest complaint
>>The open slide
The open slide is the best part you faggot, not only does it keep the shit out it looks sexy as hell as well.

>>32216538
>>32216342
Still won't be the same because it doesn't have the Vertec grip. It should be possible to just drop a Brig slide onto an M9A3.

>>32211906
>tfw there'll never be a 10mm 90 series gat

>>32215642
fair, though the only .mil fag I've met who was combat arms (and has any tangible experience on the 92 outside of training) loves it.

So idk

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>want an M9 with the decocker only conversion done, vertec grip and pic rail
>literally rare unobtanium unless you spend +$1,000

Fuck it, police trade-in PX4 it is.

>>32218198
get the newer custom carry version

feels bad that the Vertecs are unobtanium though

>>32213749
Nah, I don't buy light guns anyways.

Plus race frames that are shittily made tend to crack

>>32218198
Are the PX4s that were designed with the recommendations of Langdon available for pre-order or purchase yet?

>>32206148
/k/ is the most pretentious board on 4chan and they shit on everything. That being said I actually love the 92FS.

>>32207045
Its no different in the army. Ive seen guys bitch about food while in line for seconds.

>>32216303
I would seriously consider buying an M9A3 if it came in black instead of FDE

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On a related note, how does /k/ feel about the PX4 Storm Full-size? A shop near me has one in .45 for just south of 300 and I have no .45 in my collection. The finish on the slide is a little worn in places, but it looks like it just needs a good wipe down and some CLP beyond that.

>>32220861
I have the Px4 in .45. I enjoy shooting it, recoil is pretty soft for what it is.

Comfy/10

I don't hate it but it is xbox hueg and I dislike slide mounted safeties.

>>32220910
Good to know. Might pop back into this thread when I get back and post pics if I cave and grab it.

>>32220861
Also, that is a really good price.

>>32206309
I bought one as well, should be picking it up today. How does the heel mag release feel?

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>>32211573
>no palm swell

>>32206148
No, stop listening to /k/

>>32206148
The recoil spring is stiff as fuck (dictated by design). Combine that with Condition 3 carry, possibly wet hands, stress, and shitty slide ergonomics, and you have a time bomb.

And, the grip is too fat.

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Look at this HUGE Beretta M9 compared to this Glock 17.

>>32221888
The stock recoil spring on the 92 is 13lbs. That is lower than most other pistols faggot

>>32207142
If I got a full size nine it would be a 92fs, but my threat model includes more four legged opponents than niggers, so I use a 10mm.

>>32212555
>that mx518
truly a mouse shape of patricians

>>32206148
Fine gun.

Bit big for my small hands though.

>>32206309
What vendor still has these in stock??

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>>32220910
>>32220932
I caved. The finish on the slide might need to be redone, but for 280 out the door I couldn't say no to a full-sized .45.

>>32223068
Finish isn't too bad, especially for the price. How many mags did it come with?

>>32223691
Just one, but it's the 10-round. I'll probably order a 9 this weekend.

>>32206148
/k/ shits on everything. Just get used to it.

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>>32206148
I have owned one for quite a few years. I have never used it on anything but cans, and various recreational targets. But I trust my life on this pistol. I bought the Italy made 92FS. Never one malfunction, ever.

>>32222013
OK then, I'll just write it off to shitty ergonomics. I don't have a problem racking a slide on anything that I own or ever fired, except Beretta 92.

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>>32220159
I'm keeping an eye out on it. Placed an order for a holster for it last week. Really want something to replace my P226 and I think the fullsize might be it.
>>32220280
Not yet. They got delayed because Ameriglo had some problems with the sights around three weeks ago and apparently the sights are already in Italy and the guns have been assembled for a few weeks now.

If you want to keep up with any updates, check out the Pistolforum thread on the PX4 by Langdon and rountinely check out his Instagram.