>$200 Bulgarian Makarov w/ 2 magazines Should I buy this

>>32162946
You gotta ask yourself, do you want a makarov, or stopping powah. Because, believe me, it is one or the other

where are they being sold OP?

I want one too

>>32162946
Good choice, good deal. Just be sure to save your dignity and get some aftermarket grips.

>>32162946
With $200 Ruger LCPs and $280 Smith SD9VE's and Ruger 9E's - new prices for those - it's hard for me to see a legitimate place in the market for the Makarov anymore, at any price.

I bought a c9, go for it.
>also 9x19 makarov

>>32162993
Are you kidding? Those Bakelite grips are half the appeal

>>32162990
Sportsman's guide

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>>32162946
yes. the gun is already a good price at $200, and the bonus magazine is nice because mags can be hard to find and they will run you like $40. The "stopping power" isn't actually all that bad, it's worse than 9mm but better than .380. There are some decent defense loads made in 9x18, plus 9x18 is cheap and you would have to do some serious dumb shit to break a makarov.

>>32163012
Thanks!

>>32162946
PROTIP: If you have big hands Makarovs are fucking terrible to shoot.

Like, awful.

Some people are complaining that they got classic tier hunks of pitting and rust. I'd be all over it if these were like JG's batch

You can get a brand new LCP for $199, or a 10/22 for like, I saw one for $162 on one site, probably sold out. You could buy a Maverick 88 for $199 all day long. I just don't see the point of a Makarov. Even that taurus G2 thing for $230 is probably better than a Makarov at this point.

>>32163008
I know what deal he's talking about. They come with some sort of black grip.

>>32163051
this too. they're probably just a shitty batch that they need to get rid of.

>>32163086
Oh yeah. I read that they have to put those gay black grips on for importation reasons

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>>32163008
>he doesn't know about the dick grips

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>>32163141
>He thinks dickgrips are a negative rather than a positive
Overcorrecting faggot detected

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>>32163152
But anon, that's the gay

I know it's cool to ironically like the dick grips, but these things are sexy spaceage.

http://www.zahal.org/products/makarov-grip

get this instead


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/century-arms-zastava-m70a-semi-automatic-9mm-45-barrel-91-rounds?a=1821504

>>32162946
they are a nice piece of quality machinery. kind of outdated design but if you like collecting guns they are a must have example. plus they are so cheap, they will only be worth more later on. remembe when hand nuggets went for 60 bucks

>>32163172
>putting that Jewish tacticool garbage on a C&R firearm

please leave Schlomo

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>>32163168
>mfw the lady doth protest too much

>>32163240
Every year cyberpunk gets more real, why resist looking like it?

>>32162946
Even just $50-$100 more will get you something way, way better. Those EAA clones and shit like that are ~$250. $300 and you get to look at caniks, m&p shields.. $400 and now you're looking at glocks.

I'd rather have one Glock 42 than two Makarovs. no fucking question.

I carry a glock 43 on me at all times.

>>32163177
those are garbage. mags suck dick. they aren't well made.

>>32163240

they aren't c&r

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Awesome handgun. Got mine from SOG.

>>32162946

Buy it!

>>32163048
I'm 6'4", 240lb, have hands bigger than bid dick hickok45, and I can handle a Polish P64 (which is smaller than a makarov) pretty easily. Quit being a vagina.

>>32162946
Get it if you want it. It's a good gun, reliable, and historically significant. If you were only buying one, or getting a carry pistol, I would hold off on this and opt for an FNX, a Walther or a Turkish CZ clone, each of which are only a bit more.

>>32163519
I really really really want Canik CZ clones to come back into stock. Like what the fuck, they sold C100's for $320 for like 6 months, and now theyre gone.

>>32162946
Yes.

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>>32163547
>>32163483
>>32163480
>>32163387
>>32162993
>>32162990
>buyers remorse

you all fell for the meme. makarovs were good when they were under $200 an ammo was like $0.10/rd. it's literally more than 9mm now and loads of 9mm guns are around $200 now. It's not fucking 1995 anymore.

>>32163567

>>buyers remorse

What are you? Impeded? Nobody indicated any sort of remorse.

Probably because whoever gets a Makarov, loves it.

>>32163567
Maks are still really good guns and worth the price.
And will outlast most other guns in the same price range.
9mm and 9x18 are very similar in price. And is plenty suitable with defensive loads.

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>>32163666
>Maks are still really good guns and worth the price.
no they literally aren't.

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>>32163757
>$200 for an all steel, DA/SA compact pistol shooting a decent round
>$200 for a historical pistol in excellent condition
>not worth it

ok anon

>>32163775
>all steel
that's not a good thing
>DA/SA
are you saying that's rare or something?
>historical piece
99% of people don't care
>excellent condition
no they aren't

you're a fucking idiot.

>>32163757
Insanely reliable
I like to shoot them
200 doll hairs
Dickgrips
Slav

I dont see what you're hating on.

>>32163788
>dickgrips
>9mm makarov best 9mm
>doesnt care about history
>doesnt care about it being all steel

What are you, some 5'3" 110lb pajeet that needs a light-weighted gun for his needs? Fuck off, Ill get my own maky

>>32163820
>9mm makarov best 9mm
it's literally the worst 9mm. stop meming you fucking loser.

>>32163820
i just use good guns, not cheap shit. you're probably no guns anyway.

>>32163503
My CCW is a Ruger SP101 tough guy.

My buddy's Makarov is the least pleasant 8 rounds I've ever put through any firearm.

Something about its shape and the way it sits in my hand made it beat the everloving fuck out of the meat between my thumb and fingers. Glove size is usually XL, hands aren't super fleshy.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>32163827
>mak worst 9mm
>not the c9
>not any 9mm taurus

>>32163837
He clearly means 9x18 Makarov, which is a caliber.

>noguns detected

>>32163844
Yeah because the selection of 9x18 handguns is huge amirite
The dude even brought up polymer 9x18s

>>32163836
>My buddy's Makarov is the least pleasant 8 rounds I've ever put through any firearm.
I totally agree. I tried one at the indoor range and it wasn't pleasant at all. They're only popular because of their former surplus value, just like mosins. Nobody gives a fuck about mosins or makarovs anymore. Faggots who don't own one and probably never fired one just like to meme about it on /k/. 9x18 is the shittiest 9mm. I'd take a .380 bersa or something any day over a makarov. at least an LCP can actually be pocket carried and you get more of a selection. such a dumb gun.

>>32163836
>My CCW is a Ruger SP101
How do you carry that?

>>32163881
Usually IWB, appendix

>>32163894
Why do you carry that out of all of these compact choices we have? I always find it interesting when someone carries a revolver. Is it for the "guaranteed 5-6 shots" and "mags won't wear out" thing? As far as I know, you can leave a revolver loaded indefinitely where with a semi-auto you have to worry about springs wearing out...

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I bought one as my first pistol and i loved it. looking back it was a fun pistol, but i ended up opening more beers with it than putting rounds down range. It was way to snappy, and i got bad shooting habits from handling it. it will tear your hands up, and the magazine will cut up your fingers. let the deal pass, get a pistol that wont be as unforgiving and learn the basics with that. after that, go for it. its a fun little piece and has history and affordability. that being said, the magazine release is in a retarded spot and can definitely have draw backs if having to be fast on the reload in unwanted situations.

> $200 makarovs
I would buy the shit out of that even if it's rusty. I'd just use it as a beater gun or try and fix it up and make it look nice again. Makarovs are awesome.

>>32163908
>with a semi-auto you have to worry about springs wearing out
This is a meme.

>>32163908
I also have a Shield I'll carry sometimes but overall the revolver is nice because stoppan powah should I need it, plus it fucking vanishes like magic, never prints. And it's easy as fuck to carry plenty of extra ammo in speed strips.

Basically, it's more cumbersome (in the sense that it's less concealable) to carry a Shield with 15 rounds (7+1 in gun plus extra mag) than to carry my revolver with 15 rounds (5 in gun plus 2 5-round speed strips).

Also the unlike with fuddy-five, the ballistic difference between .357mag and 9mm isn't negligible.

Also if you can git gud with a revolver double-action, shooting autos is like playing with cheat codes on.

>>32163908
I carry an SP101 as well. There are a myriad of reasons, but I also acknowledge it's downsides. .357 mag is still the most effective handgun cartridge ever, and it has a massive sample size to back that up. Yes, it's a snub, but I see SP101s typically clock around 1250-1300fps with 125s. It's also particularly heavy, which makes it fairly usable unlike other small revolvers. It is very comfortable since the barrel and grip are much thinner than an automatic. I also generally shoot revolvers better than automatics. I'm not going to get into a reliability argument since I understand that there are a number of automatics that are pretty well close to revolvers. As for capacity, I live in a very VERY rural area. We don't really have roving gangs around here, so my risk of multiple attackers is severely diminished. I consider it adequate considering average shots fired is 2 in a defensive gun use, and this is just some personal idea, but the heavy double action trigger pull kind of prevents you from wasting rounds. I've studied Active Self Protection and many other recorded DGUs for quite a while, and I always notice in most of the scenarios where more than 5 shots are fired, the attacker is usually running or collapsing by the 2nd of 3rd shot and the defender's reaction is to just magdump.

Funny thing is I also carry a Makarov, and it's one of my favorite pistols. Which one depends on the conditions. SP101 for working days where I may sweat or humid/otherwise wet weather, and Mak for more casual outings.

I get where people complain about the snappiness, but honestly after a thousand rounds or so you get used to it. I guess it was just the method of grip or something. I haven't felt it for a few years. I love that it's a single stack all steel compact, and the size is perfect for my hands. The mag release sucks, and the trigger is mediocre. I like to think of it as a 7/10 gun for 3/10 gun price.

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>>32163973
>I like to think of it as a 7/10 gun for 3/10 gun price.

>"makarov is a 7/10 gun"

>>32163996
It's damn near impossible to break or malfunction, it has a nice size, the design is extremely safe, and it shoots bullets with acceptable consistency.

>>32164022
But like, if a Mak is 7/10, then a Shield is 11/10

And IMO a Shield is a 8/10.

>>32164053
It depends on your considerations.
Fiber optic sights break more easily.
A shield may be as reliable, but there's no question it isn't as durable.
Since I've gotten used to it, I don't feel it as snappy anymore, so the additional weight aids in recoil reduction, although it is still a blowback, so there's that.

Yes the shield has a better mag release.
Yes 9x19 is more available and has an edge in terminal ballistics.

I consider it a more effective gun, but judging on certain criteria it's not a stupendously better gun. I still personally choose the Mak, not that I think it's better, but because fuck you I like it, I'm familiar with it, I like Hammers and DA/SA more, and it is adequate, even if not the best.

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>>32163827
>My opinions are facts

Summers over, fucking leave already

>>32163837
>>32163844
>>32164053
Wow! It's almost like people have preferences!
Makarov is a fine CCW weapon, not everyone likes carrying the same thing, and not everyone has to carry your 7/10 Shield.

>>32163788
>all steel
>that's not a good thing
let me guess, you're a weak, limpwristed faggot, isn't?
> some of the finish is gone
so it no longer matched your manpurse?

>>32164119
Really I believe as long as it shoots bullets, and it doesn't FAIL to shoot bullets, and those bullets happen to be within the acceptable range of defensive calibers .380 to .357 magnum, then it is good enough.

There isn't much difference in how effective GOOD handguns actually are beyond the user's comfort with those often superficial features. They all give people bullet poisoning.

Obviously people like police officers that actively seek out potentially dangerous people have higher risks and higher risk of multiple attackers, so effectiveness becomes a bit more of a concern. In other circumstances like "in Detroit" or other low income urban neighborhood can play a part.

>>32163930
No, it's not, metal creep actually exists - it's just that modern metallurgical advances have somewhat limited it.

>not rubbing your Mak's grips while also rubbing your dick

>>32164155
I agree 100%

>>32164158
Modern mag springs are designed so that they are still effective after the springs wear out some.

>DUDE NO YOU SHOULD BUY A [NAME OF TUPPERWARE HERE] INSTEAD!

Am I the only person on this board who hasn't fallen for the tacticool meme?

>>32164196
No, most of us haven't fallen for that retards shit

>>32162946
I'd say that's a pretty fair deal. It's a good little gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ_XCZsfrr0&list=PL48DB61DC578D8951&index=14

>>32164244
>>32162946

Btw if you get one, you might try painting the front sight

>>32162946
not a good first gun at all

>>32164295
reasons?

>>32164300
There is no valid reason unless it comes with the ugly black grips.

>>32164300
they aren't that great to shoot. they have a weird magazine release that you'd end up getting used to. nothing about them them is optimal for a first handgun.

>>32164250
I did this. Bought a bottle of white nail polish and painted the front sight. Put a dab on the rear sight sides to line up with. It's my CCW and after half a year hasn't worn off at all even with near daily carrying. I'm honestly surprised how accurate it is too. At 75ft I could put 6 rounds into the A box of a torso sized shooting target at my range no issue.

>>32164318
It's good enough for Spetsnaz and at that price it's pretty hard to beat.

>>32164332
and nobody on this board is spetsnaz so what is your point

>>32164338
If a group like Delta, Spetsnaz, Green Berets, ect uses a gun it's because it works. That's probably the guy's point.

I've had nearly nothing but good to say about my Makarov. The design is a bit old but it is just a solid little gun and I've passed up all the modern handguns in favor of this one as my carry pistol. If we have a compact PL-14 coming stateside I might replace it with that though.

>>32164338
My point is that your opinion is a fallacy.
>they aren't that great to shoot
Makarov owners everywhere disagree
>weird magazine release that you'd end up getting used to
This is a problem how?
>nothing about them them is optimal for a first handgun
as opposed to?

>>32164328
>I'm honestly surprised how accurate it is too
You shouldn't be.
It's fixed barrel is what makes it so accurate. A feature most modern guns lack.

>>32164352
I wouldn't mind having a full size for a range gun.
>that bore axis

>>32164359
>Makarov owners everywhere disagree
there are loads of people ITT saying they don't like it lol

>>32164374
My bad. Allow me to revise my statement
Makarov owners everywhere, who aren't faggots, disagree

>>32164398
So you actually believe that a makarov with two mags in ? condition for $200+transfer fees is the BEST thing you could buy at that price?

>>32164359
it's not an optimal first handgun because it's different from almost every other popular inexpensive handgun. it's a thin, full steel gun, firing a soft-shooting caliber but in a hard-kicking blowback design, yet it has a heavy slide and a fixed barrel.

you have to understand, this is about **feeling.** once you get used to it, I agree that maks are not uncomfortable to shoot. in fact I greatly enjoy shooting mine. but as a novice, you get a ton of felt recoil. you have to overcome that in order to let its great inherent accuracy shine.

basically, yes it's good to shoot, but also yes in that it's not noob-friendly. it's too weird. the recoil of all tilting-barrel handguns feels generally the same depending on grip angle, and the makarov is just completely different from that.

>>32164413
Not him, but name something better at $200.
>Pro-tip: you can't.

>>32164422
EAA Turk guns are in that price range the BTFO Maks

>>32164413
$200 including transfer would be ideal but take what you can get

also this >>32164422

>>32164434
>Buying roachguns
>Funding terrorists
"No"

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>>32164439
>name something better
>*names something better*
>well I have an ideological opposition to that alternative

It's almost like we're playing football and the goalposts are moving or something.

Also

>implying that these Maks haven't been changing shady-ass hands for decades before ending up where they are now.

>>32164422
maverick 12 gauge

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>>32164434
>turkshit
Ayy lmao.

>>32164422
my 6" colt police was like $250 after everything.

>>32164448
>goalposts
Lern2identify different posters.

>>32164422
you're implying anything is good at $200.

>>32164419
I'd argue that the smaller packages such as the Bersa and LCP have worse recoil and that the "heavy slide" is good to have since it's a "blowback design."

And while it made not have a super awesome ergonomics on the mag release that most people are used to, it's something that can be trained to proficiency.

I'd also argue that training on any new handgun that is intended for CC is important and that you train long and often enough so that the recoil and ergonomics are imprinted into your muscle memory.

>>32164434

>giving money to the Turks ever
what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>32164448
I moved nothing, as I made no claim on "name something better".

Also what EAA Turk guns are $200?
Now I'm curious.

>>32164477
double dubs

Don't fall for the Turkroach ploys

>>32164484
I won't but the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head is the TP9 and they're not $200.

>My $200 and below recommendations would be the Serb Toks in 9mm, both the M88A and M70 are under $200 iirc.

>>32164422
If all you have is $200 for a handgun, then you're fucked no matter what. Even $300 opens you up to a shit load of different choices that all blow away a makarov

>>32163567
I have guns for the sake of collecting as well, so Id like a makarov. Shit I have a revolver thats old as God himself. Do I want it because ammo is cheap and I can shoot it? No, its just cool to have.

>>32164158
Not enough to affect the functionally of the gun.. THUS IT IS A

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>>32163018
Mags for $40!, Where the fuck are you shopping. I bought some e german mags for $20 for my mak

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>>32163775
Nice P64

>>32162946
Just be careful with it. The firing pin rests on the cartridge so if you drop it it will go off if you have one in the chamber.

>>32163529
They're around, bro. Search for "Tristar."

http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.tristar-p-120-pistol-9mm-47-171-blk-checkered-grips-blued

http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.tristar-t-100-pistol-9mm-378-151-blk-checkered-grips-blued

http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.tristar-c100-9mm-w2-13-round-magazines

It makes a much better last gun than first gun. IE you're KYS with it.