Why did straight pull actions never catch on? Can you even buy

>>32137756

There are some newer straight pulls. Blaser and Sauer both make them. They are popular in Europe.

They're more expensive, and the bolts are more complex. If you're in North America and you want a repeater that's faster than a typical bolt action but for some reason don't want a semi, you've got pumps and levers to choose from, which are faster and more iconic on this continent.

There are K31's going for ~$600 on funbroker atm, seems reasonable

>>32137756
Those old swiss guns are fairly complex and well made. They would cost a shitton to make today. Just look at how much a shitbox r700 costs.

>>32137832
They're fun, and neat. I had one a while back and sold it...seeing these prices I wish I'd waited. Ammo is hella expensive for a K31 though. Despite the NEAT factor, it's hard to feed and very hard to justify unless you're a milsurp collector

>>32137832
I got mine for $300 just a few years ago but I'd say if it's in very good condition it's worth $600. They're really well made. The trigger alone would shit on anything new for $600; so would the accuracy. The machining is awesome as well. I wish it was chambered in something more common so I could afford to shoot it more

>>32137832
really miss mine. for some reason I was more accurate with my older K11 Carbine.

ended up selling a lot of my milsurp collection during college to pay for tuition. Even had a battle field damaged Longbranch No4 Mk1*. whoever used that rifle, sadly, never saw their home again(ricochet off the receiver to impact above the left eye).

>>32137821
But they're like $3000-5000. I could buy a gucci as fuck Remington 700 pattern rifle for less than that. It can't be that much more complicated than a normal bolt action.

>>32137832
/k/ will hunt me down and murder me if I bubba a K31.

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>>32137756
>Why did straight pull actions never catch on?
They're called AR-15s

>>32137944
> It can't be that much more complicated than a normal bolt action
Try taking a look at the bolt system on a Blaser.

>>32137756
Because straight pulls dont offer enough over a standard bolt action to merit use.

The only benifit I can think of is maybe better clearance for optics.

Levers pumps and semi autos are the reason why straight pulls arent popular in north america.

>>32137982
That's not the only way to make a straight pull bolt, though. Is it not possible to get a modern straight pull rifle without funding some autistic German engineer's stupid science project?

>>32138020
You would think Steyr would sell a straight-pull hunting rifle, but no.

>>32137756
Because a straight pull bolt action is just a crippled semi auto. Plug the gas port on an SKS and you've got your straight pull durr hunting rifle.

>>32137932
Why bother with the fake and gay made up story about a scratch

>>32137756
Straight pull actions are more complex and don't offer any significant benefits over a standard bolt-action.

>>32138020
The blsaer is one of the simplest staright pull mechanisms.
There is literally no way to make them as simple as a regular turn bolt rifle since you are trying to use mechanisms to recreate muscle movement.

Mauser made a few straight pull action rifles with 16 locking lugs in 1996 I think

>>32138124
Nifty. They still seem to be around for reasonable prices, too. Thanks for the tip. Any reason why I shouldn't pick one of these up for $600-800?

>buy k31 two years ago, one of the last imported lots
>9/10 walnut stock, impeccable bluing
>Amazing to shoot
>Dat build quality
>PPU brass so I can into reload
>$400

Should have been the first milsurp I bought.

99% of modern bolt action rifles are Mauser 98 copies, very little incentive for mfgs to figure something else out that probably won't fly off the shelves.

>>32138100
The Swiss felt it was worth it, but they've long been able to, and felt the need to, prioritize accuracy and quick repeatability in the shots over ease of mass production compared to Mauser actions everyone else was cloning.

>>32138101
>There is literally no way to make them as simple as a regular turn bolt rifle
Yes there literally is. I could make one in my sleep that uses half the parts of a turn-bolt rifle

Fuck, crossbows are straight-pull action.

>>32137888
Ride the surplus GP11 gravy train as long as you can.

53 cpr for guaranteed match quality ammo is incredible deal. 1 MOA out of my K31.

After that, save your brass and wait for Trump to deliver us from the Russian arms embargo. Reload GP11 brass with Tula Berdan primers and 308 bullets.

You can feed a K31 very cheaply.

>>32137890

See above.

>>32138920
You're retarded. The K31 action is basically as simple as it gets for a straight pull and the result is that you have to lift your head to work the action because the throw is so long.

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>>32137756
>straight pull

Damn I wish I had an SV-99, or ever have the opportunity to shoot one.

>>32138247
The Swiss also had the advantage of being neutral, and thus had more time to carefully craft their rifles.

>>32137944
>gucci as fuck Remington 700
enjoy shooting off your foot or your childs head without touching the trigger

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>>32137944
>/k/ will hunt me down and murder me if I bubba a K31.

Yet I still want this

>>32139611
This is retarded considering you can put a rubber buttpad on without changing the stock and a proper optic mount that doesn't require a shitty scout scope with a clamp-on mount. I know because I did it myself.

You have to single load rounds. If that bothers you get something practical instead of a 60 year old rifle.

Steyr had a family of straight-pulls

They never caught on because the bolts are a bitch to disassemble and reassemble

they have K-31s at dicks for $450

>>32139477
I don't think a $3000 700 would have any Remington parts left in it.

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>>32139880
>shitty scout scope
thats just like your opinion man. and with a forward mounted scope you can still use stripper clips :)

I love my k31 but if you're gunna bubba it, bubba it all the way.

>>32140277
If practicality is the goal you can get an AR10 with 20 round magazines that is more accurate than a K31 and lighter than one.

Don't bubba a perfectly fine rifle. It is what it is. Or do so my unfucked K31s will continue to skyrocket in value like they have these past few years.

>>32140277
K31s have laminated stocks?

>>32140304
I'm not touching it. I like the idea of a straight pull bolt scout but I cant do it unless the gun/stock is already fucked up.

But you should pick between practical and scoping a 60 year old rifle

>>32140338
IDK. This one is walnut from 44

If you don't care and just want something that's straight pull, a Yugo SKS w/ launcher can have its gas return switched off, making it a functional straight pull.

>>32140338
No, they don't. They were only made from walnut or beechwood.

>>32138221
Do it. When semi automatic rifles are banned, you can trade it to a fudd in exchange for an entire arsenal of ARs and AKs to defend your rights with.

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>>32140277
Or you could get sexy diopter sights.

>>32138920

>Half the parts

You don't know how any of these guns work do you

You have to unlock the bolt. That means you need to make it rotate or lift out of battery, by pulling backwards, and that means you need a bolt carrier. Both parts need way more machining individually than your typical rifle bolt.

>>32137756
Because niggas were breaking them - bet.

I think Ian needs to do a mud test to see how dem cam grooves hold up. I'm sure either the butthurt, or alternatively the triumphant smugness, will be amazing amongst Swissaboos.

>>32142231
I dunno, I love my K31, but I don't believe it's infallible. I seriously doubt it will handle mud very well at all; there are too many finely-fit areas where any dirt will lock it up.

I don't really see how that matters - the gun is still beautifully made and incredibly precise. Besides, it was designed for defensive use in known environments, so it's not like it would be expected to survive really harsh conditions.

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>>32137972
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>32138221
If they're the mausers I'm thinking of they extract like shit.

>>32142231
Bolt actions have all characteristically performed the worst in every one of those mud tests.

The Browning Maral is straight pull spring assisted.

https://youtu.be/szECZwCH0P8

>>32142231
It will probably do like shit. Extraction on the K31 is weak because it uses a cam to convert linear to rotational motion. The finger groove exposes the oprod too. Maybe the super tight tolerances will keep the mud from getting in bad places but I wouldn't bet that it would survive that test without issue.

>>32137756
At the time that straight pull bolts were being introduced people were working on semi-automatic designs. Bolt actions still remained a popular choice because they were a familiar reliable design that could be produced cheaply even for the more complex and precision versions. The straight pull was really a compromise till someone came up with a semi-automatic design that would prove to be reliable and easy to maintain by your average soldier. By the time that everything was settled the world had seen inventions like the M1 Garand, STG 44, K43, AK-47, and Cetme. Most people default to older bolt actions because of the long history of reliability and semi-auto for functionality.

>>32138920
Why are there suddenly so many idiots.

>>32142355
>all that nu-metal

>>32142355
neat

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>>32141337
Mi Negger!

This seems like a good thread to ask - what's the difference between a K1911 and a K31, and is one dramatically better or worse than the other?

I like everyone's bitching about complexity of straight pull. the K-11 and K-31 literally used helical camming slots that could be easily interpolated on today's CNC machinery. nigger, if you can rifle a barrel, there is NO REASON you couldn't easilly make a straight pull action.

>>32138076
THIS. There were also prototypes of K31s built to become selectfire. (Not the copy of the russian selfloader) sadly they did not catch on and so eventually we would get the best and most expensive battlerifle ever stamdard issued. (before hurr neded to be in action, Pinochet perfectly showed the capabilities of the rifle)

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>>32142488

>>32139126
>Mfw they already fielded rifles with a capacity of 12 rounds even before the great war started,whilst others were fucking around.

>>32142453
K31 is about the same oal but has a longer barrel due to the changed, shorter bolt, but thats about it. If youd want more umpf out of the GP11 take the Langgewehr 11 it has a way longer barrel and therefore a higher muzzle velocity. >>32142491

>>32142491
Hang on a minute... Are thoss the rifles that will be destroyed?!? Thats the one thing I hate about my job.