How is .380 auto honestly? I've heard a lot of people say

>>32118599
Just got the standard Bersa as my concealed. It's a great pistol for the price. I always liked the PPK and the .380 is a decently priced caliber.

>>32118599
12+ inches of penetration. How thick is your skull? How fat are you that won't hit vitals?

It'll do the job. That said, I wouldn't go any lower.

.380 can be rather underwhelming, especially if you live in a more northern clime where people wear a shit-ton of layers for months on end.

Is totes better than nothing though.

>>32118599
It's powerful enough, just requires a lot more research on carry rounds if you wish to meet FBI minimum penetration.

Ruger LCP is a fair bit smaller but should be under $300, and is a damn good pistol.

>>32118599
I have a Bersa thunder .380 and i fucking love it, its fun to shoot and super simple in design, do ett op

>>32118599
.380 is a good round
20 years ago, real men carried .380, thugs and skinheads carried 9mm
I have 2 .380's and have been looking into getting a Bersa Thunder Plus as well.
Everyone I talked to that has shot one says it is a great gun
The browning 1911 .380 is good as well, but double the price
I cc the keltec p3at, my friend cc's the Taurus .380. they are basically the same gun. very easy to conceal.

>>32118671
*not the same as the Bersa, the same as each other

>>32118599
I love my glock 42, its small and easy to conceal. Shooting .380 is also super easy due to the little no recoil.

>>32118638

How often do you experience wild eskimo muggers?

>>32118599
.380 is a completely acceptable self defense caliber.

that said I wouldn't CC with anything other than ball ammo .380

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>>32118638
I'd imagine even if it's a small round, 15 of them will get your point across.

>>32118643
I'm not sure if I'd want anything smaller than the standard Bersa Thunder, I like not having my pinky hang off, and I really liked the thickness of the Plus, felt nice in the hand.

Not too knowledgeable on conceal carry but I feel like that Thunder Plus would be small enough, especially when I was considering a Glock 19 before I handled that Bersa. I'm not a tiny guy who wears tight clothes.

And I like the idea of being able to get some wooden grips for it.

>>32118743
Why not? Wouldn't you want hollowpoint or something for defensive carry?

>>32118599
.380 is sufficient. Here's some actual data:

http://csi-forensicfollies.blogspot.com/2013/07/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping.html

>>32118716
this is an interesting point, in cold weather crime goes down, thugs don't like snow.

>>32118750
>Why not? Wouldn't you want hollowpoint or something for defensive carry?

>not that anon, but...
The point of hollowpoint is to expand and limit penetration. Ball doesn't limit penetration and with a round like .380 you want all the penetration you can get. Ball ammo also feeds more reliably in some guns. I keep ball 9mm Mak in my PA-63.

>>32118785
just get XTP. carrying ball is retarded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts

>>32118750
Hollow-point .380 does not have the wounding potential you want, its penetration is abysmal, and it doesn't carry enough energy to properly expand.

ball ammo on a .380 doesnt risk much overpenetration anyways and cavitates just fine.

>>32118772
Fucking this. It explains why us mainefags can have retarded levels of drug usage and still barely any violent crime. Gangs and career criminals just don't like the cold.

Suits me just fine. I'll keep my funs and my snow, and I don't give two shits if the guy next door is doing heroin just as long as he doesn't bother me.

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>>32118809
FMJ .380 penetrates to more than 2 feet. Have fun killing that innocent child behind your target.

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>>32118772
That's why they're praying for a cold nasty winter in Calais.

>>32118809
My roommate showed me some weird Hornady defensive .380 that was kind of a hybrid hollow point. It was basically hollow point with some kind of rubber or soft plastic filling the point, specifically to prevent the underpenetration and thick clothes problem. Supposedly it was designed for the FBI and works really well--but I have no real info about how well it works.

>>32118860
ill look into it, ive always wondered about plastic tipped bullets.

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>>32118716

Science says cold weather causes murder. You want to argue with Science nigga?

>>32118860
hornady critical?

>>32118887
>>32118860
>>32118809
>>32118785
>>32118638
>>32118599
Hey retards, you have the internet at your fingertips. Are you the next fudd generation? Do a fucking google search and stop being ignorant.

>>32118887
I've never shot anything other than cans in a gravel pit with it so I can't say for sure, but in theory it makes sense. A tip solid enough to penetrate clothing, but soft enough to be sure to expand in tissue--I can't think why it wouldn't work.

>>32118914
instead of trusting my opinions, i will look up other peoples opinions and allow their opinions to become mine! genius!

there are no peer reviewed scientific journals that review niche ammo. you cant trust everything on the internet.

>>32118599

Own and carry Thunder 380 plus and I love it (clearly, if I'm willing to bet my life on it). Smooth to shoot, accurate, and DA/SA w/deckocker is best action.

>>32118912
Yeah, that's it. This shit here http://www.hornady.com/store/380-Auto-90-gr-Critical-Defense/

I think that's the best carry ammo I've seen so far for .380. It's small enough I'd worry about regular hollow point not penetrating enough, and this seems like a nice solution that I'd still be comfortable carrying in a crowded area and not being afraid of overpenetration.

>>32118796
This guy's talking about "overpenetration" and "small wound channel." I like penetration when I'm the one doing the penetrating.

>>32118854
Not worried about that because I'm not taking a shot with a kid behind the target unless more kids in front of the target are in danger. And a kid behind the target is going to be lower than I'll be shooting anyhow, unless the target is a midget.

If it meets 12" penetration, it's good enough unless he is morbidly obese (in which case no JHP designed to not overpenetrate will be enough, bring FMJ) or armored (pistols lol).

Pick out a .380 that will meet 12 inches.

>>32118958
>DA/SA w/deckocker
Does it have a decocker? I thought it had that Berreta style safety lever.

>>32119080
>I thought it had that Berreta style safety lever.
which decocks it

>>32119119
Oh.
So I can like chamber a round, take my mag out and add one more, then take the safety off?

How hard is the double action trigger pull? I didn't particularly like the idea of having to worry about disabling my safety if I had to pull my gun out under stress.

>>32119147
>How hard is the double action trigger pull?

probably the smoothest I've ever felt other than the S&W bodyguard .38 revolver. It's nothing that will prevent you from firing on target in a pinch

>>32118599
.380 is great for CC.
People often say "oh it's shit cause denim dan will wear his .380-deflecting jacket and your gun wont do shit" and they're semi right but you could always counteract that by using more-penetrating ammo during autumn/winter (talking about soft point or FMJ, AP/steel core is fucking overkill, not that .380 ACP comes in steel core, I think)

>>32119199
But enough to prevent me from firing accidentally right? I mean just as a safety measure, considering I'm going to have it in a nice safe holster that covers the trigger. Just kind of worried about not having any sort of trigger safety or grip safety or anything

The .380 is a fine self defense round and if you are in doors when it happens no chance of over penetration like with 9mm.

>>32118638
There's literally no reason not to carry a full sized handgun in the Winter.

>>32118671
Is this b8? The military has been using 9mm for over 30 years.

>>32118772
>thugs
This isn't ARFCOM, you can say nigger.

I've got the concealed carry version. Like it quite a lot.

>>32118638
True, which is why it's good for carry in warm places. People aren't layered, and neither are you. So you need something smaller/lighter to conceal.

>>32119371
1. The weight can get annoying
2. Are you wearing a down coat indoors?

The Bersas have excellent DA triggers and easy controls. The 380 is fine and everyone bitching about gelatin tests doesn't know how they even work. 8" into gel is the equivalent of breaking human skin, not flying through bones like a goddamned railgun.

>>32118599
It was fine for decades, so it's probably fine now. I've seen a lot of tests where it fails to expand, so choose your load carefully if that worries you. Penetration should be adequate with any quality ammo.

Never shot the bersa, but I'd be wary of hueshit. The Beretta is amazing. Of course the PPK is the gold standard, but it's single stack.

arent Walther PPK clones backup guns?

>>32118906

Goddamn the north pole must be a slaughterhouse then

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>>32118599
Got a Bursa combat in .380 it seems like a good pocket gun I take pretty much everywhere

>>32119737

Santa wears red so the elf blood doesn't show.

>>32118906
the Chicago population statistics add up to about 115%

>>32119767
Some people identify as black and Hispanic, I suspect.

>>32118599
It's the lowest caliber I'd choose to carry

>>32119344
bersa thunder 380 cc is my daily carry

safety
>always off

I leave the hammer down, carry it appendix, not worried at all. The DA trigger pull is like 8 lbs or something. Heavy enough to not go off unless you're trying, light enough to not require herculean effort. My holster covers the trigger anyway.

>>32118599
I have the plus model. It's a nice gun for what it is: a compact pistol with 15+1 shots. Grip is a bit fat, but that's probably what you expected.
My only real problem with it is that the magazine catch engagement surface is too thin and sometimes, the recoil from firing can cause the mag to release. I'm terribly frustrated by that. Aside from that one problem, it's nice. Maybe someday they will make a magazine catch that doesn't suck so that I can replace the stock one.

>>32119419
You carried a backpack with 20 pounds of books and binders in it for a good number of years, you can manage

And no, but if you wear a thick enough top and maybe IWB if the gun could fit, nobody would notice. Or you could Open Carry. If you're in the subruban or rural northern towns, I doubt many would bat an eye.

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>>32119758
Same. I got a small, leather holster for mine, and sometimes I can throw it in a deep pocket.

Pic related, same coloring as mine.

>>32119550
>hueshit
It's made in Argentina dummy

>>32118671
The browning .380 1911 is such a fun gun to shoot! Everything about it is pricey tho.

>>32118599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PDQcE-1T40&t=492s

copper is the way to go with these small rounds, dat penetration.

>>32119758
oh breh mix that coconut with the roman raspberry, hnnnnnng.

>>32120634
The coconut was really creamy and sweet but to sweet for my own taste
I'd rather have some of the raspberry kind and the cheese cake kind

>>32118638
Fan fact: hollow points penetrate deeper if target wears more clothes.

>>32118759
>51%-.45 ACP
>72%-.32
Noice

>>32118860

That's their critical defense round and the .380 version has been recorded as performing terribly.

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>>32118599
It's decent.
If you want better performance, get these

>>32118837
>It explains why us mainefags can have retarded levels of drug usage
Doesn't Steven King account for like 60% of Maine's drug consumption?

>>32119620
I'd argue that the design of the Bersa is better than that of the PPK.

For one, the trigger doesn't suck, for another, it has a better grip and is available in a high capacity model that isn't really much bigger.

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can anyone find the bersa .380 thunder plus (nickel) in stock somewhere?

>>32118906
You do know Chicago gets hot as fuck as well in the summer

>>32118906
>Chicago
>38.9% African American
>Houston
>24% African American

Hmm

Bersa Thunder Combat owner here. It's my first handgun in my poor fag arsenal, don't have concealed carry license yet. All I can say is I like it, it's a fun little pistol. Good construction/quality for the price point and the rubber grip is comfy. The od green is a little darker which I like, looks really good on the pistol.

>>32118599
It deeply is a matter of how heavy the clothes are in the area. Heavy winter coats did cause issues with 9x19 hollow points (namely failure to expand) till the late 80s. .380 apc is a touch lighter on both lead and powder charge and the pistols made for it have a bit shorter barrels. The one you are eyeing has 3.5 in barrel for example.


If you live in a place with real winters change out your .380 APC CC gun with something heavier during winter.

>>32118856

So my gran was right, the wogs do begin at Calais.

>>32122027
Context. .32 is a surprise pocket pistol.