http://cz-usa.com/uncategorized/cz- p-10-c-improving-perfect

>>32103427
That ugly fucking cot on the top of the slide resembles a P320 more than a VP9

>>32103427

.... I mean I like it.

>>32103427
From the videos of it I've seen I actually kinda like it. The texturing looks pretty good, not overly aggressive but definitely something to get a hold of. It's Front cocking serrations if you're into that sort of thing, ambi controls, and from what I saw several people were saying the trigger on it is even better than the PPQ, which is definitely saying something. The MSRP on it is really reasonable too. Street price of less than $500 seems like it'll make it a pretty decent deal.

Will it be the end all be all game changing pistol? Probably not but it doesn't look like it'll be trash by any means.

>it's totally not just another glock guys!
>literally fits into glock 19 holsters perfectly

Sub $500 street price and a (possibly) a better trigger than a PPQ? Not possible. Or maybe it is.

I'll buy one to try it out.

>>32103782

Wait, a better trigger than the PPQ? Source?
I was thinking about getting a PPQ M2 longslide in 9mm.

It's like an uglier XD with a glock trigger and striker fired. Fucking gross, I'll pass.

>>32103843
The PPQ Longslide rocks. I rented one at the range so I could compare it to my P99. I had never fired a PPQ before and I immediately shot it better than the P99. The trigger is excellent and the long slide gives a longer sight radius and helps reducing recoil.

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better trigger
better ergonomics
ambi safety
undercut trigger guard
better texturing
better sights
no shitty finger grooves
maybe no brass pelting your face

right, another glock

>>32103843
MAC says it'll give the PPQ trigger a run for its money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ptLPmSdL4&feature=share

I have a PPQ M1 and I'm a huge fanboy of Walther in general, so I have a hard time accepting that the trigger could be as good, let alone, better.

>CZ making a striker fired pistol
>it wasn't a VZ58 pistol

aww

>>32103730
My 1911 combat commander fits in my l glock 19 holster. It must be just another glock clone to

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You dun goof'd CZ you dun goof'd!!

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>>32103896
>ambi safety

>>32103985

That's already a thing, though.

>>32103910
The try-hard serious attitude that the majority of gun reviewers have drives me up the fucking wall. Unless you're Pat Mac, you're not a BAMF, so take a seat and chill the fuck out.

>>32103427
so is it supposed to be a compact model ?

because MAC said 15 rounds

>>32103427
>No finger grooves

Well that already puts it ahead. Seems like the hipster G19 alternative, but I'm glad to have such a close alternative. I'll see where this goes and maybe get one, did not see this one coming at all.

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>>32103427
>improving-perfection
>literally referencing and aknowleding another gun in your adds

yeah CZ fuck off, you'll never grow up to be a Glock.

>all these mr mee too striker guns coming out

Let me know if they have actual half decent features like striker indicators.

>>32104641
Yes, the C in P-10C is for compact
It also takes P07/9 mags

>>32104901
How is that a useful feature

>>32104010
Then you're an idiot with a leather holster.

happy with my glock

meh, ill start caring when a fullsize or longslide shows up

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>improving on perfection
>still has the gay ass three piece meme trigger as a glock

groan

>>32105076
>toddler doodles: the sidearm
>leather holsters

Consider suicide.

>>32103694
Me too.

This place hates everything though.

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>>32105102
>he unironically thinks the trigger safety is anything but a drop safety
>he unironically thinks a bullshit safety system substitutes for proper parenting and gun storage
>he unironically suggests or even considers leather holsters to be a sound choice in the year of 2016 where kydex and injection molded pistols are widespread

Fuck off and kill yourself. Don't you have an article to write on your shitty gun blog you galco loving faggot? Seriously, if that's your argument you need to read more about guns.

Homosex

Waiting 2-3 years before I consider looking at this gun. Early M&P's had inaccuracy issues due to shitty slide/barrel lock up and and twist rate, early gen 4 glocks had brass to face issues, a number of p320's currently have extraction issues or reset timing issues that can lead to a dead trigger during live fire.

>>32103730
My regular CZ-75B fits into my glock holster. Glocks just have very generic ergonomics.

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>>32105143
>That post
>Endorsing leather holsters

>>32103427
It looks like a Walther PPS and a Beretta APX had a child and this is what came out.

>>32104922

to allow foreign debris into the striker channel and thus causing failure to fire in a life or death situation of course - see HK VP9

>>32105798
that's nice timmy, but it's getting late and all that turkey must've tuckered you out. why don't you go play for a bit and mommy will be up to tuck you in.

>no internal slide rails

CZ's claim to fame and they just go and make a Glock clone instead.

>>32106258

Maybe they've finally found the secret to not sucking.

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So, same shit but ith updated ergos and trigger that doesn't suck dicks.

>>32105143
Not that guy but tgere are still lo's of guns without kydex holsters available for tgem for quick click add to cart and buy, i had to custom make a kydex holster for my CZ97B with rail and light.

I'm happy with it, but it took valuable time.

>>32106317
I wonder if the machining on the barrel and slide will finally be up to CNC standards and not look like it was made in a machine shop from 1934 with drills and files.

>>32106335
that's what i look for in a gun, absence of machining marks. fuck reliability, accuracy, and ergonomics and shit bro. we autist now.

>>32106349
salty.
>absence of machining marks
is a major factor in reliability. machining marks is where dirt and carbon get surface area to stick to. also, to make a good gun you ned tight tolerances - something only really possible with mondern manufacturing methods. Glock has the tightest tolerances and best machining in the industry. this is, coupled with the great desing, the reason why the pistol works as well as it does.

Have we gotten to the point where innovation and design have become redundant?

>>32106384
is this something you actually believe or are you flashing your ass burgers

>>32106483
no, these are facts.

>>32103427
Every gun company gotta release a glock
It's basically the final form of modern handguns. like a twisty can opener. They're practically all the same because somebody found the cheapest, simplest way to make THING and now they're all going to be exactly the same.

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>>32106502
i like you sully, you're a funny guy

>>32104605
He also violates the law about disclosing sponsorships. Basically shilling

>>32106551
>i like you sully, you're a funny guy
why, what do you take issue with? what wrong here in your opinion?

At first glance and with a quick skim, it strikes me as being similar to a Steyr M9A1. I love that gun, but it has some odd quirks and shortcomings that I'd love to see improved, so I'm mildly excited for this.

>>32106551
I'll kill you last

inb4 Hi Point joins the party

>>32103427
I actually quite like it.

While I prefer DA/SA or SAO triggers for their quality, it doesn't look bad at all. Mite b cool.

>>32106563
is this about the tavor stuff or did something else happen?

>>32106858
He's just neglected to state that he receives ammo for free in a number of videos while also saying stuff like "this is my favorite ammo, I use it all the time". That's just one of the things that is directly provable, he's in really close with the industry too. In that video even he got invited to the factory and got exclusive access to a gun from a company he's said he's a "fan" of before. I just don't trust him to be unbiased or to say when he's being sponsored.

>>32106258

Internal slide rails allow for thinner slides and a lower bore axis for a hammer fired pistol. But strikers already allow low bore axis so there's no real need for internal slide rails and may even be detrimental with polymer frames flexing during firing.

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>>32106317
Count me in, my CZ 100 is very accurate and ergonomic but the trigger kills any fun outside of slow controlled fire

>another company makes a better version of a Glock 17

Looks fine, you don't even have to waste $650 on it and buy aftermarket parts to make it decent. The real problem is Glock refuses to do anything but make the same pistol. When they try it's been so long since they had to work that everything is fucked up.

>>32103427
If I had any interest in safety-less striker pistols I'd buy one. Looks nice...for what it is.

>>32104820
Heh didn't notice that until I read your post

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>>32106693
Cobra beat them to it.
Meet the patriot .45, it's basically a glock made out of garbage by idiots. Fortunately, the glock is a very forgiving design and standard pressure .45 is so tepid it won't explode.
Probably
Many who've bought them seem impressed, many as well also have a variety of mostly QC/workmanship issues. It's a crapshoot, all and all
All that said, it's a remarkable achievement for $299.
Unfortunately, the MSRP is $350~

>>32106384
> to make a good gun you ned tight tolerances
hahahahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U

>>32110480
> to make a good gun you ned tight tolerances
>hahahahahahahaha

Snicker all you want you uneducated fool spouting "knowledge" you snatched up at some gun shop....

"Tolerances" is the acceptable range of how much a part is allowed to deviate from a specified blue print standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_tolerance

Now what fgts like you actually mean when they say "tolerances" is clearances - empty space that was engineered into the machine. When you have a "tight tolerances" machine, that space too has the same dimensions in every machine.

The Legion does not have tight tolerances nor does it have proper clearances to work.

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>>32110521
>you uneducated fool
>"Tolerances" is

>>32110535
>>"Tolerances" is
it's right there in the link.

>>32104820
I wasn't aware Glock had a copyright on the word perfection.

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Everybody that's complaining that CZ "caved in" on the striker train is forgetting the CZ100

I can see why they went with the slide outside of the rails because CZ100, CZ82, CZ52, Etc, but even without their main aesthetic 10/10 can't wait to see glawk and M&P get btfo

>cheaper MSRP (blue ribbon excluded)
>already uses existing holsters for one of the most common carry handguns in the US
>Czechnology and CZ quality, Cold Hammer Forged Barrel, etc
>apparantly has a better trigger than the PPQ (subjective I know but the trigger reset in the demo video is VERY short for a striker)
>muh ergos
>muh non A2 grip angle
>reverse compatability (and most likely complete compatibility with minor modification) with existing platform magazines

To me, it seems as if CZ took a Glock 19 and said "how can we make this better". I can't wait to see this eat up market shares and MAYBE have Glock do something different. I know they won't but it's nice to dream.

For reference the M&P 9c has a MSRP of $560 or something like that and retails for $450 and change at my LGS. If the P10 shows up at around $400 that'd be perfect.

Besides, it's not like they're getting rid of the P07 or P01. CZ is still the only other company besides Glock to pass extremely rigorous NATO testing with the P01.

We all have to remember that it was literally premiered today, on Thanksgiving, and we only have one source to go off. I'm waiting for more information before I get too excited, so don't blow it off or go pre-order it yet.


Tl;dr Looks promising, Glock getting btfo

>>32106883
That's not violating the law at all you autist

>>32104915
No it doesn't
Read the article

>>32105833
Sorry you're forever alone and didn't get thanksgiving dinner you weeaboo fuck

>>32110641
Same magazine body, there's just an extra cut out for the P10 release to work. Eventually (hopefully soon) MAC noted that CZ is going to phase out all P07/P09 mags with the updated version that'll work in all 3 platforms


Worst case, 2 minutes with a dremel?

>>32103427
I got excited and thought CZ made a 10mm.

Fucking disappointing.

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>>32110618
>Glock getting btfo
Can't count how many times that was claimed/wished for.

>>32106384
Holy fucking wrong batman

>>32110669
all these fucking gun show experts...

>>32110668
original

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>>32110711

>>32106335
I don't see why it would not be, all new models like p07/09 have no machining marks, since they have different production methods.

>>32110618
>Czechnology and CZ quality
These are the exact reasons why other manufacturers aren't worried at all.

>NATO testing
I like that people still think that this was actually a thing. Even CZ never claimed this, retards just can't read.

>>32113579

I have never owned a CZ just handled and fired a few. Please elaborate on the CZ quality. Also I've heard of tool markings in the metal framed ones but I'm sure this isn't the case with the polymer P-07's right?

>>32113729
You've got it basically. The finish itself isn't as good as most competitors either. They're not bad guns but the vocal fanbase makes them out to be something above average which they really aren't.