>friend convinces me to try wolf ammo >it's shit >3/50

I do. I also use guns that are not bitchy and eat anything I feed it.

>>32102977
I want to face fuck dat wolf.

>>32102977

I've never used wolf but I would probably facefuck that mascot.

>>32102996
This is the only ammo my gun has had a problem with, which leads me to believe my gun was not the issue.

>>32102977
That clearly isnt why you made this thread

Shit ammo made for shitty combloc weapons.
Op was dumb enough to use it in an American gun!

>>32102977
>fail to feed
>an ammo problem

Sorry your gun is just shit

>>32102977
As shitty as wolf may be, I put over 300 rounds of it through my factory LE6920 with only two failures, both being the rounds not fully going into battery, and both happening in the last 50 rounds fired.

>>32102977
I've never fed a single one of my guns ammunition they wouldn't feed because that's not how that fucking works

Stop buying shit guns and shit magazines

>>32102977
Sounds like the ammo isnt your only problem, your shit is over gassed faggot, get some heavy carbine buffers.

>>32102977
Furfags need to be gassed

Why are ARs the only guns that can't reliably easy steel case ammo? Sad!

>>32102977
My Poles and Bulgarians eat the stuff no problem.

>>32102977
My rifle is a quality rifle.

My rifle feeds wolf/tula all day every day.

Get yourself a better rifle. Lemme guess, DPMS?

>>32102977
I have a couple thousand rounds. It runs fine in both my AR's. I've put probably 2-3000 rounds of steel through them combined and rarely have issue. I'll get the occasional dud, but I've never had extraction issues, cambering issues, or accuracy issues. For the most part, they shoot almost as well as anything else commercially available under $1/round.

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>>32102977
>having a bad gun
Maybe you could kys

>>32103058
My stag ar has had no problems with wolfshit

>>32103046
How the hell can you tell it's overgassed just by him saying it left a mark on his shit? Presumably it has been taking brass smacking into the deflector without any problems.

>>32103046
>won't feed
>okay I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's slamming back so hard it won't feed right
>it's wolf ammo
>known to be underloaded as fuck

You're just retarded senpai

>>32103068
this

DPMS doesn't like steel case for some reason

>>32102977
I would actually buy shitty wolf ammo if they put that on the box just for shits.

>>32103058
I've got a shitty R-guns ar and it eats wolf just fine. It does tend to mark shit up though.

>>32102977
>I have a picky bitch gun (literally any AR)
>I blame the ammo for these issues

Your gun has over 50 small parts and 20 springs, and was designed by an aerospace engineer. What do you expect? It's not a warfighter's gun, it's a gun designed to work under mostly ideal conditions with ideal ammunition.

Ignore the shitposters insulting you or your rifle.

Wolf/Tula ak food is great and runs fine but their .223 steel case offerings are noticeably lower quality.
Its massively dirtier and smells strangely bad for some reason.
That said I haven't had any issues with reliability in my AR so it possible you got an bad batch.
Tbh unless you shoot a 1000 rounds a week and hate reloading I think its better to just get federal.

>>32103034
>>32103068
>>32103074
>>32103098

I'm assuming wolf has shit QA. I've fed retarded shit through my AR with no problems thus far. I'm talking a paper bag full of 223 hand reloads from some old guy.

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>>32103148
Steel does not expand like brass, if you have a poorly cut chamber you will get stuck cases due to steel.

This is why everyone says your rifle is fucking trash. I have a DEL-TON that will cycle steel without issue, post who made your rifle/upper/barrel

Also
>Buying high velocity reloads at a gunshow
Youre an idiot

>>32102977
I'm still salty that Nutnfancy choose to smear the AUG because it refused to feed these shitty cartridges.

>hurr, it should be able to feed whatever I give it

The AUG is completely reliable with every other brand, but because it chokes on Wolf it's shit, apparently.

People who own slavshit.

>>32103054
Well that's a good way to purge half the board and all of /co/.

>>32103179
PSA premium 16" mid upper with CHF A2 barrel M4 ramps/chamber

Two-dicks titanium powder H2 buffer

Gen 3 pmags


I'm not saying PSA is fucking outstanding, but if my rifle is shit, it should consistently be shit not just with wolf.

>>32103214
>all of /co/
Let's do it. Those fags were instrumental in creating bronies. Add in the fact that they're more of a tumblr board than fucking /lgbt/, and you've got yourself a bundle of faggots that need to suck up some Zyklon-B.

>>32103182
I sorta agree with Nutn on this matter, and that's coming from someone who really sees him as an autismo fucktard.

If we ever do go innawoods and whatnot, which I highly doubt will happen, it's nice to know that your rifle will feed all kinds of shitty ammunition present.

>>32102977
>Who the fuck seriously uses Wolf or steel cased in general?

Literally everyone. I am sorry you have a lemon of a rifle.

>>32103263
Not every car is made for off-roading, not every gun is for SHTF.

Doesn't mean it's a bad gun. nutn just panders to Platonian manchildren who want one perfect gun.

>>32102977
>mars brass deflector

I'll shed a tear for you cupcake.

>>32103234
I have a psa premium carbine length upper and psa lower kit. That particular rifle has ran 400+ tula 62gr fmj with 0 malfunctions. Only wolf ammo Ive used in it was the gold line though. So idk about wolf steel in that rifle, but tula is g2g.

>>32102977
Wolf isn't known to be match grade, nor is that the intention. The company designs low priced ammunition for range practice at combat range (300 yards and under), and since the company is based in Slav country, don't expect them to be able to fine tune this shit for your over-gassed AR. It was designed around the weapons that are available in the region, and in that regard, my AK and SKS have no problems with it. Honestly, using steel cases ammo in an AR isn't that smart anyways

It's a brass deflector not a steel deflector.


When you take a high maintenance upper class girl to the greasiest burger stand around, problems present themselves

>Implying you didn't cheap out on components

>>32103034
You don't seem to understand how guns work.
If a cartridge doesn't contain enough powder, there won't be enough gas to push the bolt carrier all the way back, thus creating failures to feed. It's less of a problem in AK because their action is overgased.
Each gun is made to work for a specific type of ammo, the right amount of powder and the right bullet weight, unless you've got a gas regulator which allows you to shoot a wider range of ammo. Now go be a faggot somewhere else.

>>32103094
>>32103098
>Smacking the delfector so hard its marring it up

He has an out of spec gas block or gas port in the barrel, a heavier buffer will slow that bolt down.

>>32103291
Yeah, that would make sense if the AUG wasnt a military pattern rifle.

>>32103263
this is a meme
you will never find ammo in SHTF
it will have been expended by the time you get it

>>32103343
you'd notice the gun going pomf
and with wolf, when it goes pomf, it doesn't even push the carrier back

also see>>32103314
>>32103046

Tell me now if its an over gassing or under gassing problem

>>32103375
Exactly. I'm not trying to be a full-blown autist, but it's a military rifle designed to shoot a specific type of round. It isn't some survival rifle that is designed to be ultra forgiving with what it will shoot

>>32103405
If this is a cheap rifle or one built at home there is a good chance that this gun is over gassed for the simple fact that people who buy cheap rifles buy cheap ammo too.

They oversize the ports and blocks to ensure your rifle cycles with youre dogshit ammo and you wont go bitch about how your rifle is unreliable.

This, in conjunction with a carbine length gas system, vastly increases bolt carrier velocity over what this was designed for.

This leads to faster wear of parts, dirtier actions, more felt recoil, aggressive ejection and possibly much more.

So if your brass is beating the shit out of the deflector youre probably overgassed.

>>32102977
>tfw I know where that furry yiff wolf is from and the artist who draws her.
>tfw no regrets.

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>>32102977
>or steel cased in general?

Barnaul is okay. Only ever had one failure to fire with the stuff, and that was with 3000+ rounds.

Tula is passable, but I prefer Barnaul.

>>32103009
>>32103016

Found source
http://www.redbubble. c o m/people/bakerandness/works/23993029-a-woooooooooooolf?asc=u

>>32102977
My eagle arms runs Tullammo no problem. By the time I need a new barrel, I will have save more than a enough to get a new one or budget upper.

>>32103021

Did you shoot it mixed with other ammo without cleaning the chamber when you changed from one manufacturer to another? As much of the cheap ammo Wolf has steel cases and mixing it up with ammo that has brass is bad news reliability-wise.

Its a known fact here that Wolf does not necessarily work in all AR-15 rifles, but if you have a rifle which has a chamber that works with it, there should be no problem. Accuracy tends to be disappointing, which is why Barnaul is better choice when it comes to cheap Russian ammo.

>>32103521
Salsa pls.

>>32103463
I entirely agree with you on all points

that isn't going to cause feeding issues

>>32103058
1. ars werent designed to work with steel case
2. ars arent all built to the same standards
3. plenty of pistols choke with steel cased for the same reason as 1

Wait a minute I thought all Russian steel case is made in the same factory, they just put different labels on it to confuse Capitalists

>>32103571
Sure, he complained about a marred delfector in the OP tho.

>>32103034
>using non standard cases
>i-it's shit
fucking furfags

>>32103148
>I'm talking a paper bag full of 223 hand reloads from some old guy.
This makes me cringe so much.
I know most handloaders are good but the idea of shooting something someone else's handloads just seems bad to me.

>>32103538
You wouldn't like it anon, its just a shitty weight gain and vore comic.

>>32103204
This. My siaga gets a tiny bit tighter than 1.5 moa with it.

>>32103773
Oh now I have to know.

>shoot wolf .223 and brown-bear .223 after using brass case

>zero malfunctions shot fine

op is a faggot

>>32103578


Ok, you're the engineer. What about the AR15 makes it inherently unsuitable to use steel-cased ammo.

>>32103537
Mixing brass and steel case causes the brass ammo to FTE, the steel should still work fine.

>>32103690
It is, nobody whose not an idiot shoots somebody elses reloads.

>>32104351
it simply wasnt designed for it.

if you take a car designed to run on 91 octane and only fill it with 87 it wont run as optimally as it should. it will probably work but if it doesnt nobody should be surprised.

>>32104371
Do you mean brass and steel in the same mag will cause brass to FTE?

Or do you mean after you shoot steel through an ar will cause brass FTEs from that point on?

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>>32102977
your gun is shit,do you even have a mil spec barrel? i have a select fire m4 that feeds wolf and tulammo all day long. never had a problem feeding any cheap steel cased ammo.
i know a gun who has a ar-15 with a shitty stainless steel barrel and it wont feed wolf, but thats because its not a mil spec barrel.
5.56 chamber with chrome lining is the key to feeding a wide variety of 223 or 5.56 ammo.

>>32102977
I run it all the time in my Cetme. Runs flawlessly.

>>32103034
>I dont own guns, but I will put in my opinion

>>32102977
You have an improperly or poorly cut chamber. No big deal just means you can't save big money on cheap Russian import ammo.

>>32103058
>wolf steel case is now considered very reliable and premium ammo

I guess it makes sense, since /k/ also sometimes unironically thinks the nugget is marvel of firearms engineering because of super poorfags.

>>32103234
put standard buffer in it and it will run wolf no problem.

>>32104351
The other anon is a faggot. The issue is the straight walls of the .223 case, not the AR design itself.

I have an Aero Precision factory assembled upper that I have put 5k+ of steel through and have had 3 failues to feed, and 1 stuck case. For the money I have saved in ammo, I can replace the upper if need be.

>>32104416
Same mag.

Steel cases expand and contract more slowly than brass so you can get more crud in the chamber of the rifle, as well as it may stick because it hasn't resized yet for extraction. Buy a chamber brush and scrub your chamber and you'll have no problem.

>>32103568
>pmc
is it mad for private military contractor use only?

>>32102977
>>mars brass deflector and ejection port
uhhhhhg this made me bite. seriously anyone who moans about their deflector getting nicked needs get their head out of ass or stop shooting. It's there to get hit, it's going to get beat up. Wear the defector wear with honor. It means you actually shoot your ar.

on a side note (because i think every troll thread can still lead to lernin)
the majority of what i shoot out of my bottom barrel PSA build (with a carbine length gas system) is tula. I used to get failure to fires once out of every other box but i noticed that my hammer spring was backwards, DO'H! Fixed that issue and now failure to fire with tula is rare though not impossible. Other than that it feeds fine and no stuck cases after mag dumping a few times (knock on wood). Hell its pretty accurate for trash ammo. Off hand shot at 300yrds at man sized steel is not difficult with tula.

A good rifle can shoot everything. A shit one is picky about ammo. If you do find your self with ammo gremlins then try cleaning the rifle. mostly pay attention to the chamber. Dirty chambers can lead to stuck cases no matter what ammo you use. In my experience it's fouled chambers that cause issues. I keep a chamber brush handy when i go to the range because more often than not there's going to be someone having cambering or extracting issues. and sure enough, scrubbing it down with the chamber brush does the trick.

>>32104425
>chrome lining
what about a melonite treated barrel?

>>32103375
Actually it makes sense BECAUSE it's a military pattern gun. Running commercial under powered steel case plinking ammo isnt much if consideration for not Slav nations or militarys in general.

When the fuck does any military power say "we should have less velocity"

>>32103526
>Barnaul.
That shit is terribly inaccurate in my CZ527.
Literally 14-15" groups from 100m.
Even corrosive steelcore m43 commie surplus shoots 3" groups at the same distance.

>>32102977
My M&P-15 cycles everything I've put through it. If you paid over 600 for your AR and it won't shoot steel case you might as well kill yourself now.

>comparing handloads and match ammo through buddy's AR (SPR config)
>convince him to shoot 10rds of wolf through it
>it groups just as good as any of the others

>shoot over 3k rounds of wolf through our AR's
>one malfunction in a Colt 6920
>All 6 other AR's cycle it fine and do quite well with it

Ive run about 500 rounds of cheap steel through my FAL. Never had a problem. Youve just got a picky little bitch of a gun.

>>32104631
Seems the general consensus on the internet is salt bathed linings are in between bare ss and chrome. Its still real new on the market compared to the others so we'll see how it'll hold up a few more years down the line.

>>32104613
Lel

>>32105446
If you're getting the same groups out of Wolf .223 as you are from quality match ammo, either your gun is fucked or you're a terrible shot.

>>32102977
Your rifle is shit if it cant run wolf.

>>32105828
Maybe he's just shooting at a 25yard pistol range

>>32102977
>using shitty .223
>not using superior 5.45

>>32104467
At no point did I claim that steel case was premium, but if your gun can't shoot it without shitting the bed consistently them you have a problem.

>>32105473
Are you stupid?in terms of barrel life in least to greatest
>Stainless
>Cmv(non coated basic bitch barrel)
>Melonite,nitride ,qpq(different names for the same shit)
>Melonite
>chromeline.
In reality it doesnt matter what barrel you get if its made by a shit manufacturer.Do buy from a good conpany and you shouldnt have worry to mich about barrel life

>>32103112
Only teason I have Zombie Max, as tasteless as it is.

Would love to have anti space alien ammo to really trigger Illegals.

>>32102977
Steel through an ak is fine, you're an idiot for putting steel through your ar.

>>32102977
Wolf voids my warranty

>>32106148
steel through an AR is fine if your AR isnt shit-tier

even my cheapo Del Ton kit AR eats steel fine

>>32106149
There are companies that void your warranty if you use Wolf?

How would they even know?

>>32106183
idk

my dpms Oracle is one

>>32105435
I don't know why you're expecting great accuracy from steel cased ammo, but whatever.

>>32105416
Probably in high fouling situations, extreme low temeratures, and emergency wartime production ammuntion.

For christ sake its got an adjustable piston, it should be abke to be adjusted for use with wolf.

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>tfw just bought 700rds of 7.62x39 WPA
>tfw can't shoot gun until the 10th cuz Commiefornia
>tfw just 700rds to run my hand through
>tfw just wanna put my dick in the ammo
>tfw all this ammo just waiting to be shot
FUGGING HELP MEEEEE

>>32102977
Use Tula, faggot.

>>32106247
I wasn't expecting great accuracy, but I was expecting accuracy at least on par with 20c a-round steel case surplus, not significantly worse.

>>32106339
>tfw can't shoot gun until the 10th cuz Commiefornia
Wait, what?
Why?

>>32106393
10 day waiting period

Looks like you own a POS rifle OP.

>>32106387
Your rifle just doesn't like the ammo.

>>32102977
its shit tier ammo in terms of accuracy and how dirty it is but only shit tier guns and extremely high quality barrels wont feed it.

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>>32102977
>buying slavshit ammo for your western shit

>>32106407
Yeah, and it fucking sucks because it's the only cheap ball ammo I can get my hands on in this fucking country that isn't corrosive as a motherfucker and loaded with steel core projectiles.

>>32102977
I exclusively use wolf and Tula, and I've never had the issues you describe.

>>32106399
For ammo?
That's fucking retarded.
We don't even have to deal with that sort of retardation in Sweden.
You can just have that shit shipped straight to your door, or you can walk into a store and buy as much as you want/can afford.

>>32106196
>>32106183
its just an excuse to void your warranty. you can tell because steel case scratches the finish off the brass deflector

>>32103384
B..but anon. In Fallout 4 I find ammo in nearly every room of every building I search. Just sitting in drawers and shit.

>>32106399
10 days! But I'm mad nooooow!

>>32106491
I've had brass do that too. I have a cerakote grey Daniel Defense rifle and the tip of the brass deflector had the cerakote wear off rather fast actually. Just the edge of the tip. I've never shot a steel cased round out of anything ever.

>>32106446
Barnaul has a steel core though.

>>32106467
Not all states. Minnesota, a liberal state, has pretty lax laws.

>buy Brownells barebones Aero AR-15
>eats everything
>shoots 2-3 MOA
>no malfunctions in 2000 rounds so far in only a couple months
>only things changed are the charging handle and trigger group

Depends on your rifle, some brands are built entirely around certain brass, some are designed with cheap ammo in mind. My friend's Warsport doesn't feed steel cased ammo and a lot of cheap brass at all. Match ammo works fine through it.

>>32102977
I've not had any issues with Wolf ammo, whether it be in my rifles,shotguns or handguns. That being said, Tula is entirely a different story. I've bought Tula in the past that had the primer fall out of the pocket when chambering the round. The quality control of the steel cased Tula has not been very good in my experience. I've actually contacted them and gotten free replacement ammo from them. Tula is about the cheapest ammo on the market, so you get what you pay for.

>>32106641
>Barnaul has a steel core though.

No, it has a bimetal jacket and a lead core.
It's made like any other FMJ bullet, except for the jacket material.

True steel core ammo (like the Soviet M43 that I shoot) has a big slug of mild steel in the center of the bullet, because steel is slightly cheaper than lead, and it gives the bullets slightly enhanced penetration.

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>>32106467
No, 10 day waiting period for guns.

But as of 2017 CA will have 2 day waiting period on ammo.

>>32102977
I use it but I only use it in combloc guns so that may be why I don't have trouble

>>32106789
>2017
thought it was 2018

>>32107035
No, 2018 is when the confiscation starts.

>>32106491
oddly, tula does not

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>>32103058
>>32102977
I have a daniel defense and it has no problem with Wolf.

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>>32102977
I've never had an issue in any of my guns.

>>32108070
is that real? do they have 4chan in russia? I thought the doge meme was dead

>>32103521
>tfw another weirdo like you
*tips hat*

>>32102977
I've put a ton of their 9mm Mak downrange, but I have a PA-63 and they're reliable fuckers.

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>>32102977
>>32103530
I need to get that shirt

>>32102977
People with Eastern Bloc guns