Best weapon for urban insurgent sniper? Criteria >Lethal

not really compact but you can get a remington 700 16.5 threaded barrel if you want something ready out of the box for not too much money. you could always throw it into a folding stock chassis but that's going to cost just as much as the rest of the gun if not more

>>32069606
>Remington
>Anything
>Ever

Dude... C'mon

>>32069586
Ar-15

>>32069623
I wouldn't trust 5.45 to 500 unless it was 77gr OTM. All the special snowflake cartridges I'm not a fan of either. .300 blk is the most viable but I wouldn't trust it to 500

>>32069629
5.56

>>32069629
5.56 can kill a man at 500 meters but if you insist on something with more energy at that range your best bet is an ar-10

>>32069586
>1.5 MOA
That's shit, isn't it?

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>>32069586
Sako TRG M10. You're not a poorfag, are you?

>>32069702
Its about what can be expected of a non-accurized current production rifle with decent ammo.

How about a nugget and a saw if need be

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Here you go. Or you could put a down payment down on a mansion.

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>>32069731
So it's what you'd expect from an average rifle unsuitable for work as a sniper's firearm.

>>32069749
>sniper's firearm.
>only needs to be accurate to 500 meters
Pick one. 1.5 moa is less than an 8 inch spread from 500 meters. Plenty good enough. Besides, with some fine tuning you can make nearly any new production rifle suitable for "snipers work"

Scout rifles seem to be what you're chasing. I have a Ruger Gunsite and swear by it

For reference, a compact weapon can be more useful than a superior sniping weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks#Logistics_and_tactics

An AR-15 style weapon used from a modifed car, many successful attacks and it took several months to catch them in peace-time USA.

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>>32069622
I've been hearing a lot of bad things about Remington lately. What did they do?

Why shouldn't I get a model 700?

>>32069775
>Pick one.
Then why is the thread about sniper weapons?

>>32069795
Memes

>>32069795
Everything. Literally fucking everything. Their ammo is shit, their guns rust when exposed to earth's atmosphere, their guns have little to no quality control, barely work, fall apart, explode, have been recalled, explode, fire when dropped, I could go on and on

>>32069795
they got jewed (bought) by some shitty company which includes other brands, hickok talks about it on his latests ar video quality went to shit when this happened on all these bnrands

>>32069635
>>32069667
>Insurgent Sniper

Presumably you're targeting soldiers in body armor, and using shoot and scoot not engaging in firefights. A 5.56 rifle isn't ideal for that, and most of the disadvantages of using a battle rifle are not relevant.

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>>32069622
This stupid meme has to end. Even cheap Remington 700 is a 1moa gun out of the box with good factory ammo. Without even trying. With aftermarket chassis and a reload - its easily, and I mean easily .5 MOA or better. Pic very much related.

>>32069795
After Remington's acquisition by the Freedom Group, their QC was the first thing to be cut in the pursuit of production cost reductions.

They're charging a shitload of money for a rifle that rusts, that is not headspaced correctly, that has fitment issues and cycles like a Mosin.

Buy a Savage. Buy a Tikka. Buy a Sako. Buy a Howa. Buy a Winchester.

Do not buy a post-2007 R700.

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This was straight out of the box, first 3 rounds I ever fired. 168gr SMK.

>>32069824
Don't worry. I have personal proof. As do thousands of other very pissed off customers.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5mLL50cu40U

>>32069830
>Buy a Tikka. Buy a Sako.
These. Support the Finnish firearms industry.

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This is what it can do now, without much effort on my end.

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>>32069837

Bullshit, blurry ass video from an autistic land whale. Any firearm will rattle, if you unscrew its components.

As it happens, I am a certified Remington 870 armorer. Yep. How's that for a coincidence. 870 Express is shit - you get exactly what you pay for. But it will still work longer than an average American user will live. Wingmaster and Police models are well made.

>>32069795
My Remington 700 ADL from 2006 has a dinged crown and a shitty warped stock.

Otherwise seems mechanically alright.

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>>32069868
>My Remington 700 ADL from 2006 has a dinged crown and a shitty warped stock.

Were you drunk, when you bought it? Why didnt you inspect it?

>>32069797
Because op is a memer who cant properly describe the situation he will almost certainly never actually be in.
>>32069823
True but theyre not easily concealed or used from vehicles

>>32069868
You should have never bought it.

>>32069781
Muh nigga

Savage 10 fcm scout myself dandy rifles they are

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>>32069747
Only 5k?
1800 COMMON

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This, OP, is the Steyr SSG69
It's basically a remington 700 With no quality issues
>308 so it can shoot up to 700, or 800 if you stretch it
>SubMOA
>Barrel can be threaded for suppressor and 308 is a good suppressed round


However, if you want a semi,foldable/easily concealed SNIPER rifle then you're out of luck

Because there are no cheap covert sniper rifles (they are also rare, i think Desert Arms SRS is the only one that makes covert snipers but they are pricey as fuck)


So your best balanced bet is the AR10

>>32069586
>urban insurgent sniper

14.5" .243 Win AR-10.

>bothering with subsonic

Why do you want to click people to death at 500? Just suppressing it will do fine.

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>>32070294
forgot pic of SS69

>>32069586
A dynamite belt and some faith inshalah you dog.

>>32069819
>fire when dropped

That one is antigun propaganda.

>>32069781
>Scout rifles

Cooper was smart, but scout rifles are retarded.

>>32069790
This.

>>32069824
How do you like that lss chassis?

>>32069586
Ak-47 and a copy of the Quran.
Allah Akbar brother.

>>32069586
Sounds like an AR to me. Especially with the whole "full power and subsonic loads must be factory available" pretty much narrowing it down to .300blk or 5.56

>>32069586
SCAR 17 with 13" bbl

>>32069731
How about no.

Even your bargain-bin deerblasters like the Rem 783/770, Savage Axis, Ruger American, etc are sub-MOA capable from the factory. In fact, everybody but Remington guarantees it.

>>32070404
Fine, let me correct it.
>fire when the safety is engaged

>>32069586
Semi-Auto .308 would be the best in that scenario. See: CSASS program, SCAR, and MCX in .308.

>Subsonic factory loadings available
Subsonic 300 BLK wouldn't be effective past 150 m.

>>32069824
It's true tho.

If you really really want I can drive my happy ass in to work and take pics of all the NIB Remington 870's, 700's, and 11-87's we're trying to sell that are literally rusting in their boxes in a climate-controlled room that's 35% humidity.

If you really really want I can show you where they applied finishes *over* rust at the factory.

>>32069586
custom 16-20" 308 bolt action with 5-10 rd detach mag

if you miss youre a fag

>>32069622
says the nigger that can't hit anything past 25 yards

>>32070572
>>32070575
>>32070564
Well, congrats on getting one of the not-shit ones.

By contrast I bought an R700 Sendero. It was totally fucked from the factory.
>excessive headspace
>bore looked like it was rifled with rebar (bear in mind this is their "premium" 5R barrel)
>action screws were drilled off-center, at an angle, preventing the ability to pillar-bed
>crown looked like it was freehanded with a cordless drill and a ball end mill, not the recessed 10* target crown it was advertized as having.
It was, at best, a 5-6 MOA rifle from the factory. This, their $1200 "most accurate rifle sold over-the-counter" rifle designed for long-range hunting. And I'm sure if it hadn't been stainless it would've rusted too.

I used it as a project gun in gunsmithing school (MCC) and was able to fix everything but the action screws, and it's a quarter-MOA gun now. But I basically had to completely rebuild the rifle
>set back and rechamber
>blueprint and true action
>recrown
>re-drill, re-tap scope base holes in non-R700 pattern (redid it for Savage 110 rail)
And a few other QoL improvements unrelated to how fucked the rifle was

>>32069830
What about the higher end models targeted to professional users? Any better there?

>>32070456
Sure, theyll pull just under 1 moa with match ammo until the barrel heats up in not too many rounds. Not that theres a huge difference between 1 and 1.5 moa when shooting out to 500 meters.

>>32070874
Yes, generally. The 700 Police gets a lot of extra attention at the factory, and comes factory Cerakoted instead of [whatever crappy finish the rest do].

And the 700 and 7 AAC's are completely redone by AAC, and aren't really a Remington rifle any more.

>>32070901
It's a sporter barrel, no fucking shit.

Same shit happens with your precious [insert whatever brand you like] with a sporter barrel, it's a factor of the barrel profile and not the quality of the rifle.

>>32070910
Thats the point, dipshit. Theyre not really 1 moa if you can only put 10 rounds through before the group opens up.

>>32069586
You're not looking for a gun, you're looking for a book.

Fry The Brain by John West.

>>32070925
nigger you're fucking retarded.

If I can fire a 5-shot, sub-MOA group consistently the rifle is a sub-MOA rifle.

LITERALLY FUCKING NOBODY cares about the size of a 20-round group. Or a 15 round group. Or a 38 round group, or whatever bullshit metric you're gonna respond with.

>>32069667
5.56 has less energy at 500 yards than the 9mm's muzzle energy, meaning someone wearing level II armor will survive easily if hit in center mass.

Anything less than .308 won't cut it for this fantasy scenario.

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>>32070945

>>32069749
besides a folding stock op is simply looking for what any regular bolt action firearm can d out of the box with a caliber of 243 and up

>>32070928
>Fry The Brain by John West.
i can't find a pdf on google

link?

>>32069586

Scar h in 7.62x51

>collapsible and folding stock
>rails out the ass

>>32071005
5.56 will penetrate better than 9mm
Energy is largely an ineffective way of looking at terminal ballistics.

.308 is still the way to go over 350 yards

>>32069862
My 870 developed a headspace issue (The barrel wasn't being locked in place like it was supposed to be.) and seized up on me at a 3gun competition. I bought a Norinco 870 and haven't looked back. Fuck Remington.

>>32070945
Yeah that must be why competition shooters and actual snipers are clamoring for those sporter barrels

>>32069702

No, there's a lot of people on the interwebs that don't actually know how to measure MOA, mislead by only speaking of their best groups, or flat out lie. I can't tell you how many people I've found who lie in person as well.

>>32069702
1.5 MOA is a 7.5 in group at 500 yards, so perfectly fine for hitting a man sized center of mass which is 20 in across.

Depends on what you're paying for it though. You can easily get a sub-MOA bolt action for $500.

>>32071118
>energy is an ineffective way of looking at terminal ballistics

Obviously not the only factor, but energy is the biggest factor. Your wound channel will depend mostly on how much energy is delivered and something with not enough energy to either expand or fragment will do relatively little damage to a target

>>32071180
>lie about groups

I actually lied about my groups for a long time. I didn't know how to calculate them I guess, because they were much better than what I told people

>>32069586
artic warfare

>>32069997
Not OP but is there some hard and fast rule I don't know about that distinguishes at what distance a shooter must be shooting at to be considered a sniper? Does a rifle have to be a scoped bolt action or accurized semiautomatic to be considered a sniper rifle?

The answer is no.

Scar-H with all the goodies

>>32069749
moooaaarrr

>>32073196
The point is that the term sniper rifle is a meme. Any rifle is potentially a "sniper rifle" and it doesnt have to actually have amazing accuracy.

>>32073196
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper

>>32069586
>subsonic
>500M
u wot m8

>>32073257
>>32073283
Point of order: the OP never actually said "sniper rifle"

>>32073304
One could argue the term sniper itself is a meme for the same reason. Shooting something from any distance and any rifle could be considered sniping.

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>>32070435
Love it. It has no downsides. Perfect light weight precision chassis.

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>>32070470
I really really want to. Why not do it? If its the truth, you should expose it. Cant think of a better place to do it. Please and thank you.

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>>32071139
You used 870 during 3 gun? Brave. I run 930. Was it Express?

>>32069623
>Ar-15
He said
>500 feet
> 1.5 moa

SCAR 17 with 20" barrel, sub-MOA all day

>>32073287
Subsonic for close in sub 100 stuff.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719009193/Savage+308+16+HVY+THR+BLK

http://www.bellandcarlson.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1088

https://www.amazon.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope/dp/B00GR79BGY

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>>32069586
You're an asshole!

>>32071047
https://murdercube.com/files/Snipers%20&%20Silencers/FRY%20THE%20BRAIN%20-%20The%20Art%20of%20Urban%20Sniping.pdf

It really is one of the 10 books I would suggest for gorilla warfare. Buy a paper copy

>lethal to 500 meters
>subsonic with factory loadings

I regret to inform you that this doesn't exist.
Maybe, maybe .300 BLK if you did absolutely crazy things with that rainbow arc.

>>32069833
@ 10 yards

>>32069830
>cycles like a Mosin.

Hey, fuck you buddy. My mismatched M44 cycles way better than their shit.

>>32069824
Nighforce on a Rem 700. Like lipstick on a pig. KYS.

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>>32075262
SP-6 (CП-6)

You'll have to wait for trump to legalise it.

>>32073375
>One could argue the term sniper itself is a meme for the same reason. Shooting something from any distance and any rifle could be considered sniping.
No, it's a term with definite meaning(s). The meaning does differ depending on where you are. In most of the world it's any sharpshooter equipped to reach out farther than typical infantry rifles, and in the USA it's a sharpshooter that fires from concealment, regardless of range.

>>32069622
Stock reminshit can be pretty disappointing but in the right hands with the right loads and the right modifications they can be just as good as any marksman rifle.

>>32075232
Agreed, but could have done without his JFK conspiracy stuff. A look at James Earl ray's assassination of MLK and Mark Essex and the New Orleans Howard Johnson's Massacre would have been insightful than a JFK conspiracy theory.

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>>32069586
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/guerrilla-sniper-rifle-project_22.html

Savage 100 series with a folding Choate stock.

>>32073219
Not the guy who posted the original, but Google images brought up this:
http://oppejatarkka-ammunnasta.blogspot.com/2015_12_01_archive.html

I think it's Finnish.